Lost All Google Rankings In 1 Day?

Banned 12 years ago

Don't worry it will come back. There is always this kind of activity i.e. disappear or thrown way back for awhile after some heavy link building activity. Especially since your site is only a year old. Wait for it to come back to a new high!

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Mike Anthony

12 years ago

Originally Posted by lovboa

Don't worry it will come back. There is always this kind of activity i.e. disappear or thrown way back for awhile after some heavy link building activity. Especially since your site is only a year old. Wait for it to come back to a new high!

This is a popular always stated myth. Sites that do blasts do NOT always come back and they most definitely do not always come back to a new high.
There have been multiple people in this forum who have reported their sites not coming back and some have even gotten link spam penalties complete with messages from Google telling them their sites have been tagged.

http://searchengineland.com/google-w...our-site-84265

Sure many come back but you guys need to stop parroting this idea that every time ANY site vanishes from the serps its a dance thats automatically good and means your site will come back higher. Wake up, The game has been changing with Panda and you are still singing the same ole song.

It may or it may not but drops are NOT an indication that your dreams are about to come true

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Thinking_man_too 12 years ago

I have a site that got hit in September. still gone despite major rework. I once had a site gone for a year. A good idea is to get a domain for a related keyword phrase and either move the articles over there and kill the original site off or rewrite and move and have two sites if the other comes back. But you have to start backlinking and promoting from scratch. But if the on page seo and keyword research is good it will save you a ton of time.
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adsenselive

12 years ago

that's some fairly heavy link building you've got going on there and just wonder whether the latest Google panda update has slapped your site down as a result. Hope it comes back for you, one of mine took a heavy hit after the first update then came back higher within 7 days

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dahlgren_m 12 years ago

Thank you for your answers!

It's hard to pin point exactly why this happened, and it always will be. Lets hope it returns before christmas

What do you think is the best actions to perform with my website while it's in this state?
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outwest

12 years ago

Sorry but why would you order blasts of 1000s of links and not think this would be considered spammy

I would much more feel comfortable with 5 links a day by BMR than blasting 1000s of links
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if you "order" links from other people you have no control over how fast they put up the links or where they put them , either

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InTheMaking 12 years ago

Regardless of what everyone said here,

to pin-point it I would say it was the 1500 socialbookmarkings. Since the recent update me and a few other SEO'ers which I talk to daily have been experiencing the same thing with Socialbookmarks.

My Opinion anyway.
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Welsh Warrior 12 years ago

Originally Posted by outwest

Sorry but why would you order blasts of 1000s of links and not think this would be considered spammy

This is my experience as well - these days it is a case of spamming them to a 'buffer', such as a squidoo lens, and building up the power of that to power up it's link to you. The 'pyramid' style, though not quite as regimented so it looks a bit more natural
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rjones46

12 years ago

Your site should re-appear soon.

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Carys501

12 years ago

Hey don't worry, it happened to me but within two weeks it has solved.

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BigNorm

12 years ago

My suggestion to your problem would be to drip feed high quality links to your site, 50-100 per day and begin adding more quality content. Google will reward you for it, plus what keywords you've lost rankings for you can make up by ranking new keywords with new content which will have a trickle down effect and help move your lost rankings back up through the serps. Never blast your sites, it's just not worth the risk nowadays, especially when someone promises 1500 bookmarks because I guarantee, 97% of those links will be rubbish spammy sites. Patience is now your best weapon when it comes to ranking sites.

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12 years ago

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outwest

12 years ago

I would say "ordering" blasts of links
is akin to
giving control of your finances to another person, who then loots your account

or its like renting your house out, the tenants dont own it and think nothing of trashing it

nobody cares about the quality of your links like you would care
handing that over to someone else to me is a bit dangerous

Its giving away the keys to your site to someone else, because backlinks considered spammy, or from "bad neighborhoods" are extremely frowned on by google

why not just give the username pass to your wordpress access to someone? Of course you would never do that

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Viramara

12 years ago

Originally Posted by outwest

I would say "ordering" blasts of links
nobody cares about the quality of your links like you would care
handing that over to someone else to me is a bit dangerous

Its giving away the keys to your site to someone else, because backlinks considered spammy, or from "bad neighborhoods" are extremely frowned on by google

Sorry....I'm a bit confused with this. If getting links from "bad neighborhoods" or trashy places can get your butt...err...website kicked, then it would be easy for your competitors to throw you the bomb to sandbox your website, right?:confused::confused:

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apzzz 12 years ago

I used to got a same problem just like you. One of my page was in #1 google and drive traffic over 5000 visits/month for my site. After staying in the 1st position for after 1 year it got kicked to #346, and until now it never get back to the top.
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Dmreed4311

12 years ago

wow im gonna do exactly what you did but to my competition and get all the way to #1

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Mike Anthony

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Dmreed4311

wow im gonna do exactly what you did but to my competition and get all the way to #1

Won't work because Good links in their link portfolio actually help to dampen the effect of blasts. You can't for example bring Adobe down because they already have great high authority links. Its sites that don't have them that get tanked.

You won't rank number 1 in your serp because the site ahead of you have better links if you check your carpet site for example. Same reason why you are not ranking as well.

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dp40oz

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

Won't work because Good links in their link portfolio actually help to dampen the effect of blasts. You can't for example bring Adobe down because they already have great high authority links. Its sites that don't have them that get tanked.

You won't rank number 1 in your serp because the site ahead of you have better links if you check your carpet site for example. Same reason why you are not ranking as well.

Exactly! The old saying "well links cant hurt your site because if they could I could just penalize my competition blah blah blah". Links can hurt but if your site has a lot of authority it's much much harder. That's why it's difficult to hurt your competition with links because usually your competition that u want to hurt is ranking well and therefore probably has decent authority.

As far as the OPs site goes. On the 29th Google did another big update and lots of sites got penalized.

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mrehan

12 years ago

Originally Posted by dp40oz

Exactly! The old saying "well links cant hurt your site because if they could I could just penalize my competition blah blah blah". Links can hurt but if your site has a lot of authority it's much much harder. That's why it's difficult to hurt your competition with links because usually your competition that u want to hurt is ranking well and therefore probably has decent authority.

As far as the OPs site goes. On the 29th Google did another big update and lots of sites got penalized.

On the 29th, my site too dropped in ranking. From No. 3 on google to No. 30. All other inner pages off the charts. It is a one year old site. Must be due to the algo update. Another site I have is about 18 months old was not affected. So sometimes the drop in rankings the OP has experienced might not only be due to the link blasts.

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kissofdeath 12 years ago

Theirs definitely something going on relevant to the 29th of November i have the same problem on my 2 sites here is my anylitics report

Edit* not enough posts to post images yet but check i39.tinypic.com/swpxfl.jpg

I'm not SEO expert and don't run my sites to make money, i just aim to make enough to cover my server costs, i've checked all the usual theories, it's not sandbox mode because my site is 3 years old, i do not cheat in anyway creating backlinks for myself and do not pay others to do it either, the not sure if the google panda thing would have only just hit me now as it was released months ago, 2 weeks before the drop i see that my page load speed increased by a few seconds so thought it might have been something to do with that, their was also an announcement from google on the 15th on November saying that sites with heavy advertising may be penalized in future so i thought it could possibly be something to do with that as i had a few banners and popups on my site for guest users not logged in (but always have had for the past 3 years) this is my main site i am talking about and i was so busy panicking about it i didn't think to check my other site, the other site is a lot smaller an i only get about 6000 hits from google each month, i check google anayltics and low and behold the same drastic drop on the same day, now this site does not have any banners or popups but i do use info links which i doubt could be considered as heavy advertising, and the page speed is also very good,

so then i decided to search google for "google page rank drop november" for pages made in the last 24 hours and i'm finding a load of threads similar to this one so thought i'd try and communicate with as many people having the same problem as possible, now my 2 site the only thing they have in common is that i'm running vbulletin 4 forums with vbseo on them both and i use infolinks on them both that's about it, the sites are hosted on completely different servers and are not connected in any way, their isn't even a back link between them,i havn't checked m page rank for a while as most say it's irreverent but i do track a few keywords and i've dropped back about 80 places in google for every single one of them i am still indexed my sitemap contains 97,598 urls of which 95,728 are indexed

Something else i also find strange is that io checked my yahoo, aol & bing stats at the beginning when this started happening and they were all normal, but yesterday i checked and my sites have dropped about 40 places back on those aswell, does anyone know if these search engines are directly affected by google rankings?

The only thing i can think of is that some popular high pr source has made alterations to their site possibly making them no follow? or possibly shut down completely?

Edit2* apparently their was another panda update on the 28th of November

the most annoying thing is that 3 of the sites in the top 10 for my keywords have content copied and pasted from my site (it even has my user name on the page in their sites) they've just right clicked and copied the html code ,panda was supposed to be aimed at sites scraping content from others but it does not seem to be detecting the original source correctly
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affhelper

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

Won't work because Good links in their link portfolio actually help to dampen the effect of blasts. You can't for example bring Adobe down because they already have great high authority links. Its sites that don't have them that get tanked.

You won't rank number 1 in your serp because the site ahead of you have better links if you check your carpet site for example. Same reason why you are not ranking as well.

Maybe not Adobe, but any other blog with PR2-3 yes you can bring them down.

I have many natural links but so what? Someone was able to bring it down.

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King444 12 years ago

Originally Posted by Dmreed4311

wow im gonna do exactly what you did but to my competition and get all the way to #1

This is the problem with Google since your competitors can blast links from bad neighborhoods or send 1000 of anchored links to get you out of business!

It is the time for another strong competitor to Google in the search market.
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Bambu

12 years ago

How far did your keyword rankings drop?

How many direct links were pointing to your site from the pyramid? If the pyramid only had <100 links pointing to the two pages I don't think that would result in a penalty.

With regards to social bookmark blasts, it has been my experience that initially you see really big gains in the SERPs, but they usually drop back down rather quickly. I have not done any SB blasts since the Google algorithm change in early November. Of course this observation would not explain why all of your SERPs have been effected.

The decrease in SERPs may also simply be due to the loss of your home page network backlinks and the accompanying loss of link juice in internally linked pages from your website.

Let us know if you see any movement once you get your home page network backlinks back up.

Good luck!

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watson229

12 years ago

Same problem happened to me but after about 10 days I got my good ranks back. So have patience and you will definitely get that again.

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nasir khan

12 years ago

After heavy link building activity this sort of things happen but it will go up again.

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rasel786

12 years ago

Don't worry dude i think your problem will solve very soon.

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Barry Unruh

12 years ago

Originally Posted by dahlgren_m

3. My 30 Homepage backlinks pointing at my top domain were removed due to paypal error, I lost a lot of link juice there.

( Once these links are up again I hope my rankings will return.)

OUCH!!!

Your site may have survived some of the other activities if this had not coincided with it. As Mike Anthony pointed out having good links softens the blow of lower quality links to your site.

How soon are those links going live again?

Barry

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dahlgren_m

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Bambu

How far did your keyword rankings drop?

How many direct links were pointing to your site from the pyramid? If the pyramid only had <100 links pointing to the two pages I don't think that would result in a penalty.

With regards to social bookmark blasts, it has been my experience that initially you see really big gains in the SERPs, but they usually drop back down rather quickly. I have not done any SB blasts since the Google algorithm change in early November. Of course this observation would not explain why all of your SERPs have been effected.

The decrease in SERPs may also simply be due to the loss of your home page network backlinks and the accompanying loss of link juice in internally linked pages from your website.

Let us know if you see any movement once you get your home page network backlinks back up.

Good luck!

Total links pointing to my site from the pyramid is roughly 45. I don't believe thats the reason my site dropped.

I'l let you know ones my links are up.

Originally Posted by dp40oz

Exactly! The old saying "well links cant hurt your site because if they could I could just penalize my competition blah blah blah". Links can hurt but if your site has a lot of authority it's much much harder. That's why it's difficult to hurt your competition with links because usually your competition that u want to hurt is ranking well and therefore probably has decent authority.

As far as the OPs site goes. On the 29th Google did another big update and lots of sites got penalized.

That means the "penalty" might be more sever than I expected.?

Originally Posted by Barry Unruh

OUCH!!!

Your site may have survived some of the other activities if this had not coincided with it. As Mike Anthony pointed out having good links softens the blow of lower quality links to your site.

How soon are those links going live again?

Barry

I'm hoping yesterday

I have set up the new payment and it should be sorted out quickly, the links dropped on the 29th and I set up the new payment on the 30th.

I have contacted the owner of the network, let's hope its sorted soon.

This is what I plan to do today:

Write two 1000words articles without affiliate links.

Also, I have set up a daily drip of 10-15 "authority" links from a blog network.

Let's see how it goes.

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Illuminart

12 years ago

It's just natural. You'll see them up again sooner or later, if nothing changed/ Then, there's something really wrong.

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dahlgren_m 12 years ago

Originally Posted by Illuminart

It's just natural. You'll see them up again sooner or later, if nothing changed/ Then, there's something really wrong.

I'm not sure why everyone is saying this is "natural" I have 24 pages on my website, all rankings where dropped to page 50+, except for one that's still on page 1 rank 1.

Is it natural if google decide to penalize my website I get to keep 1 keyword for top ranking?

The last time I got penalized ( for a different site ) I didn't have all that many backlinks, but only reviews without info articles, my site reappeared in the serps after 5 months.

I try to avoid that now by focusing on user experience, I have about 50/50 reviews and info articles, I hope I'm not in for another 5 months, it's my top earning site.
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- Barry Unruh 12 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by dahlgren_m
  
  Is it natural if google decide to penalize my website I get to keep 1 keyword for top ranking?
  
  Is that keyword on a separate page? How does your link profile for that page differ from the others?
  
  Have you noticed a decrease in the number of backlinks you see listed to your pages which tumbled in the rankings?
  
  Many people were recently reporting seeing a lot of their profile, social bookmark, and directory links disappearing from their backlinks reports, as if Google was "discounting" or "no longer counting" those links.
  
  The item I would be most curious about would be what changed in your backlinks from higher PR sources.
  
  As an example...If you were doing a bunch of Build My Rank link building and then stopped you could suddenly see a big change in your overall PR backlink profile. The posts which were sitting on the front page of these higher PR blogs have now rolled off their front page which means you lose the PR benefit of the link.
  
  It may not be a penalty at all, just an adjustment based upon changes which have occurred quickly in your back link quality.
  
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timwilson38

12 years ago

I think its due to heavy link building in single day, wait for few days, it will come back to normal.

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Gee S

12 years ago

Originally Posted by dahlgren_m

3. My 30 Homepage backlinks pointing at my top domain were removed due to paypal error, I lost a lot of link juice there.

( Once these links are up again I hope my rankings will return.)

My personal opinion is that it's not so much the blasts that have impacted your site. It's the above where you lost your homepage backlinks.

Once you get them back up and wait a few weeks you may see improvements in your ranking.

A lot of people look at what links you've built as a cause for the drop and forget about the links you've lost. You need to realise that negative link velocity plays a role in rankings too.

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dahlgren_m

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Barry Unruh

Is that keyword on a separate page? How does your link profile for that page differ from the others?

Have you noticed a decrease in the number of backlinks you see listed to your pages which tumbled in the rankings?

Many people were recently reporting seeing a lot of their profile, social bookmark, and directory links disappearing from their backlinks reports, as if Google was "discounting" or "no longer counting" those links.

The item I would be most curious about would be what changed in your backlinks from higher PR sources.

As an example...If you were doing a bunch of Build My Rank link building and then stopped you could suddenly see a big change in your overall PR backlink profile. The posts which were sitting on the front page of these higher PR blogs have now rolled off their front page which means you lose the PR benefit of the link.

It may not be a penalty at all, just an adjustment based upon changes which have occurred quickly in your back link quality.

I rank on several key phrases on the top level domain, and it's the top level domain that still ranks for one of them. It's the keyword i Initially focused on the I started the site a year ago.

Before the DROP I ranked for the following terms:

(Keywords are just for Examples):

Pro Gaming Headset (low comp)
Gaming Headset (high Comp)
Headset (high Comp)

Now I am only ranking for the term "Pro Gaming Headset".

Backlink Portfolio

My backlink portfolio consist of mostly article syndication and some minor link diversity.

However, in october I used BMR, I posted 5 articles each day to this site, then completely stopped using it in november, you might be on to something there. Although, I ranked well for many keywords before I used BMR.

Also, I substituted BMR with another high pr networks.

Originally Posted by G Singh

My personal opinion is that it's not so much the blasts that have impacted your site. It's the above where you lost your homepage backlinks.

Once you get them back up and wait a few weeks you may see improvements in your ranking.

A lot of people look at what links you've built as a cause for the drop and forget about the links you've lost. You need to realise that negative link velocity plays a role in rankings too.

I don't know how fast the BMR links roll of the homepage, but it could be a combination of that and the homepage backlinks.

One last thing.

I started working on this site in january, but I stopped working on it in March only to pick it up again in August ( The site was ranking "naturally" for some competitive keywords, with only 5 articles on it.)

From august I have added 18 new articles/reviews as well as Off page SEO. I have been quite adamant on building backlinks as my site rose in the ranks steadily.

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12 years ago

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12 years ago

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A: What matters is bottom line. Links are a part of search - they represent online reputation. Although there are many tools that report links, none of the tools can tell you which links are trusted by Google (not even Google's tools). While the link structure looks bad from the outside, the actual linkgraph that Google uses/trusts looks much better. When the New York Times complained about a site with 10,000 spammy links, Google investigated the site and not a single link had slipped through Google's filter. Only the links Google trusts count."

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dahlgren_m

12 years ago

Originally Posted by jameswatson2002

Ehh, #2 may have been your problem, depending on who was doing it Senuke can be very BH and result in a penalty.

I'm not sure if it's the senuke links because It's only 45 links pointing at my money pages, the rest are pointing at tier 1.

Originally Posted by Juvv2096

Thats quite a lot of backlinks to be done at once.

Do you know if the senukex blast and the social bookmarks were all done at once, or were the dripped out?

If they were spammed out at once, then that wouldve been your problem.

Slow and consistent brings much better results rather than pushing heaps of back links out at once. Google no likey!

I ordered from two different sources. To be honest I actually thought my site could handle more heavy duty backlinking since my articles where quickly ranking without any promotion.

I guess i was wrong

Let's see what happens!

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Alohatom

12 years ago

Sounds like what happened to me...I threw in the towel...really depressing crap...am flipping those sites that tanked and starting over woth a new batch using super conservative kink building and emphasizing social signals, just bound SYNND and so far pretty good stuff. Sorry, but the same damn thing happened to me!

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dahlgren_m

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Alohatom

Sounds like what happened to me...I threw in the towel...really depressing crap...am flipping those sites that tanked and starting over woth a new batch using super conservative kink building and emphasizing social signals, just bound SYNND and so far pretty good stuff. Sorry, but the same damn thing happened to me!

How long did you wait until you decided to flipp the site?

What measures did you do to try getting your site back up again?

I'm not giving up on this, Iv'e worked on it since august so I'l might as well work a couple of months more

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getin2learn

12 years ago

Me too experienced a drop down in rankings. I have only 7 sites, between 6-12 months old, different niches, different keywords, set on 2 separate hosting companies, with quite varying backlinking plans.

All 7 sites and inner pages have mixed rankings, but for simplicity sake let's say that rankings were within the first 3 pages of results in google. All of my sites have only original, informative and quality content - and are updated regularly.

As of yesterday, everything fell down beginning from page 5 and below (in google). Yahoo and Bing results were not affected.

I can hardly imagine what went wrong or is it a temporary "glitch", but when I looked some of the sites that are now outranking me, it is sad to see what sites google has given better rank. The worst example is 2-page CPA site that now ranks #1 (instead of mine which fell from #1 to #54).

If that's the Panda update effects everyone is rumoring this year, then bravo to Google!

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BarryOnline

12 years ago

Originally Posted by dahlgren_m

My 30 Homepage backlinks pointing at my top domain were removed

It could be that your site dropped due to the loss of the strong high PR links and all that is now left is spammy, low quality links pointing your your site.

This is most likely what has caused the drop.

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dahlgren_m

12 years ago

Originally Posted by getin2learn

Me too experienced a drop down in rankings. I have only 7 sites, between 6-12 months old, different niches, different keywords, set on 2 separate hosting companies, with quite varying backlinking plans.

All 7 sites and inner pages have mixed rankings, but for simplicity sake let's say that rankings were within the first 3 pages of results in google. All of my sites have only original, informative and quality content - and are updated regularly.

As of yesterday, everything fell down beginning from page 5 and below (in google). Yahoo and Bing results were not affected.

I can hardly imagine what went wrong or is it a temporary "glitch", but when I looked some of the sites that are now outranking me, it is sad to see what sites google has given better rank. The worst example is 2-page CPA site that now ranks #1 (instead of mine which fell from #1 to #54).

If that's the Panda update effects everyone is rumoring this year, then bravo to Google!

That's pretty unfair if you ask me, but it seems this is the trend nowadays.!

Originally Posted by BarryOnline

It could be that your site dropped due to the loss of the strong high PR links and all that is now left is spammy, low quality links pointing your your site.

This is most likely what has caused the drop.

Yes, I would agree on that, but since my site ranked pretty well before the homepage backlinks, I would assume that at least my previous ranks would be intact. Instead the site got completely wasted, except for bing.

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dahlgren_m

12 years ago

Update Per 08.12.2011

My site is back after 10 days of terror. I actually gave up on IM for a couple of minutes there

Here is what i did after the drop:

1. Changed My Theme

I don't know if this has anything to do with it, but since my previous theme had 5-10 affiliate links on my homepage I figured it'l be worth a shot to change it.

2. Re-Ordered my 30-homepage backlinks

This was initially my biggest concern when my site dropped, but I still think it's odd because my rankings before the drop where pretty good.

3. Added 2 5-700 words article without affiliate links.

I'm not sure if the site will stay, but my main keyword jumped from 5 to 2 on first page and I take that as a good sign.

What now?

If anyone have had similar experience, please share your opinion on the best practice after a "drop/penalty/sandbox" like this.

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kissofdeath

12 years ago

so you removed all the affiliate homepage links completely, or just put them on another page?

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DamenRabat

12 years ago

What i am wondering is.... does the content of those articles wrrnt 1500 socil bookmarks? Is it the kind of content that this many people would naturally bookmark so heavily?

The idea is always to emulate "natural" behavior and in order to get bookmarked this massively over night I´d at least expect those article to be about celebrity or that sort of thing.

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55sadhikar

12 years ago

Originally Posted by DamenRabat

What i am wondering is.... does the content of those articles wrrnt 1500 socil bookmarks? Is it the kind of content that this many people would naturally bookmark so heavily?

The idea is always to emulate "natural" behavior and in order to get bookmarked this massively over night I´d at least expect those article to be about celebrity or that sort of thing.

You could be right, i have had few of my sites dropped rankings completely. They are nowwhere to be seen! All those sites were ranking either 2nd page or 5th,6th, 7th and under 10th pages. But i had some profile link building and blog commenting done, especially on high PR sites. But all those rankings completely disappeared from the existing SERPs and are nowwhere to be seen. (Although the sites pages are still indexed in google)It sinks my heart with all the money and effort of getting it ranked being gone to waste!

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kissofdeath 12 years ago

mines nothing to do with social bookmarking as i only added social bookmarking when the traffic dropped, i sent reconsideration request to google when this first happened as i thought i'd been penalized , but just got a message back from them saying my site was not penalized and no manual action was taken against me, i'm pulling my hair out as i have no idea what to do
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dahlgren_m

12 years ago

Originally Posted by kissofdeath

so you removed all the affiliate homepage links completely, or just put them on another page?

Yes I completely removed the affiliate links on my homepage, but the affiliate links pointing from inner pages I left as is.

Originally Posted by DamenRabat

What i am wondering is.... does the content of those articles wrrnt 1500 socil bookmarks? Is it the kind of content that this many people would naturally bookmark so heavily?

The idea is always to emulate "natural" behavior and in order to get bookmarked this massively over night I´d at least expect those article to be about celebrity or that sort of thing.

I agree, but to be honest I expect them to drip into googles index over a period of time, but as mentioned earlier I have no control over that unless I specifically ask for no "extra" indexing.

In this case I didn't.

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DaCheese

12 years ago

Originally Posted by dahlgren_m

Update Per 08.12.2011

My site is back after 10 days of terror. I actually gave up on IM for a couple of minutes there

Here is what i did after the drop:

1. Changed My Theme

I don't know if this has anything to do with it, but since my previous theme had 5-10 affiliate links on my homepage I figured it'l be worth a shot to change it.

2. Re-Ordered my 30-homepage backlinks

This was initially my biggest concern when my site dropped, but I still think it's odd because my rankings before the drop where pretty good.

3. Added 2 5-700 words article without affiliate links.

I'm not sure if the site will stay, but my main keyword jumped from 5 to 2 on first page and I take that as a good sign.

What now?

If anyone have had similar experience, please share your opinion on the best practice after a "drop/penalty/sandbox" like this.

Thats a pretty good comeback after being penalized.. But i do kinda think its more like a google dance where your rankings get better than before.

Could you tell me where you buy homepage backlinks though?

Anyway thanks for sharing your experience, at least now i know what to do when i'm in similar situations.

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umrbd

12 years ago

You got to read Automated SEO Vs Manual SEO! Which is Better? | Internet Marketing Blog kindly note that most of the links that we buy are create by automated submissions

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westportclan

12 years ago

I lost all my rankings in one day, exactly a month ago, and today they all returned. I diversified my links, and got some high PR links and they are now all back. I'm not sure why I lost my rankings or if the backlinking caused them to return... the main thing is that they are back!

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kissofdeath

12 years ago

Originally Posted by westportclan

I lost all my rankings in one day, exactly a month ago, and today they all returned. I diversified my links, and got some high PR links and they are now all back. I'm not sure why I lost my rankings or if the backlinking caused them to return... the main thing is that they are back!

SO all you did was back linking, you didn't change the site at all?

ho far did you drop back?

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westportclan 12 years ago

Originally Posted by kissofdeath

SO all you did was back linking, you didn't change the site at all?

ho far did you drop back?

All my inner pages dropped out of the first 100 pages of Google completely, after all being in the top 3 pages originally. My homepage remained in the SERPS, but at page 10 for my number 1 keyword, and nowhere for the others. I experimented changing the text of a few of my inner pages to see if it made any difference. I then worked on building more links, with a greater range of anchor text than i had previously been using. It seemed like I was making no progress at all until yesterday almost all the rankings came back, some of them in better positions than previously. A few of my inner pages are still missing, but i am hoping they will return imminently now. It's impossible to say what it was that made the difference, if anything at all.
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cbright

12 years ago

@dahlgren_m

I didn't read everyones responses but I wanted to respond because I ran into this same issue and it took me a month to figure out why 4 sites got hit with it all on the same day. It turned out that I had google ad placements too close to other ad networks and affiliate links so they manually penalized the sites.. after figuring it out I fixed the issue and submitted the sites for reconsideration and got all of them screaming right back into the SERPs where they were.
So I'm not sure if you are running adsense or not but ya might want to consider that if you are

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dahlgren_m

12 years ago

Originally Posted by cbright

@dahlgren_m

I didn't read everyones responses but I wanted to respond because I ran into this same issue and it took me a month to figure out why 4 sites got hit with it all on the same day. It turned out that I had google ad placements too close to other ad networks and affiliate links so they manually penalized the sites.. after figuring it out I fixed the issue and submitted the sites for reconsideration and got all of them screaming right back into the SERPs where they were.
So I'm not sure if you are running adsense or not but ya might want to consider that if you are

I'm not using any adsense on my sites, it's amazon niche sites that focus primarily on amazon products.

There are plenty of ways to get penalized via Google, like there are plenty of ways to recover. The best thing however is, in many cases if Google punish your site and you are lucky enough to know what caused it, you can fix that and get your site back, just like you did.

The worst thing you can do is nothing and hope for it to return.

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icosane

12 years ago

I had a site in the #2 spot for the last few months, made the site in July. I did lots of backlinking the first month or two but then completely stopped. I haven't done a single thing related to backlinks for months. Last week I added an extra page of content to my site. Then I noticed a few days ago that my homepage had been completely booted from the top 300 search listings for my main keyword. My site still shows up if I search for my exact domain, so I'm not sure I was "sandboxed."

So whatever they're doing at google with the rankings isn't specifically related to backlinks. My site was a bit spammy with ads but had original content and my stats for time on site and bounce rates were pretty good. Honestly the top ranking sites for my keyword now kinda suck so I hope google undoes whatever they're experimenting with.

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icosane

12 years ago

Oh yea, also I have another site with the exact same theme and many of the same ads that hasn't dropped in rankings. I think I might cry if this one drops off the front page of google as its been a project of mine for almost a year now.

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12 years ago

I have lost ranking because of bad link practices from an old SEO company. Link pyramids doing 1000's of links and then watched ranks drop. Google is much smarter than us.

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apeee

12 years ago

I am facing same situation with few of my affiliate sites. I was getting around 600-800 unique visitors a day and it dropped to 20-50 overnight. My affiliate links were not nofollow and not cloaked so that must have been one reason.

@dahlgren_m, did you get your ranking back? and what do you think why it got google slapped because I am also trying to find out the actual problem so that I can fix it before its too late.

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radivoj

12 years ago

Have you received any Google message in your Webmaster Account for that site ? if you didn't then it's just Google dance if you got message that said : " We've detected that some of your site's pages may be using techniques that are outside Google's Webmaster Guidelines. Specifically, look for possibly artificial or unnatural links pointing to your site that could be intended to manipulate PageRank. Examples of unnatural linking could include buying links to pass PageRank or participating in link schemes. " if you got this message then it's link penalty most likely 50 penalty, if you don't have webmaster account then quickly create one add domain and you will get message right way if anything went wrong...

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jsmith2482

12 years ago

I just checked my webmaster account and saw this message.

Search results clicks for http://www.yoursite/yourpage have increased significantly. Yay!

That was on March 10th when the page was #1 for a few competitive keywords. Since then the page has been dropped to the middle of page 1 after being a strong #1 for months?

Why?

Originally Posted by radivoj

Have you received any Google message in your Webmaster Account for that site ? if you didn't then it's just Google dance if you got message that said : " We've detected that some of your site's pages may be using techniques that are outside Google's Webmaster Guidelines. Specifically, look for possibly artificial or unnatural links pointing to your site that could be intended to manipulate PageRank. Examples of unnatural linking could include buying links to pass PageRank or participating in link schemes. " if you got this message then it's link penalty most likely 50 penalty, if you don't have webmaster account then quickly create one add domain and you will get message right way if anything went wrong...

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radivoj

12 years ago

Originally Posted by jsmith2482

I just checked my webmaster account and saw this message.

Search results clicks for http://www.yoursite/yourpage have increased significantly. Yay!

That was on March 10th when the page was #1 for a few competitive keywords. Since then the page has been dropped to the middle of page 1 after being a strong #1 for months?

Why?

Well I can't provide correct answer, how old is your site ? it should be a least 1+ year old in order to establish trust with Google, the reason your site drop most likely Google dance or competition hitting that keyword with links trying to rank for, regarding Google new algorithm update it's very hard for new site which is month or a few month old less then a year to rank #1 for competitive term it may if site getting high PR link but very hard to maintain that #1 with the site less then a year old...to point out one more thing if you are planing to go after some kw to rank for, the best thing is to buy expired high PR domain that has targeting kw in it, even if site has PR 0 but is 2 + old it's very Good, you can find plenty of expired domain using register compass tool, also keep in mind there is no any problem buying expired domain and moving to your host with different IP, as long as domain is not penalized by Google Matt Cutts has confirmed that on the video...

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jsmith2482

12 years ago

My site is 6+ years old with 1000's of pages of unique content on it. Backlinks come from a whole mix of sources so it's not article marketing or blog networks. It's also not the competition, this specific URL was a very solid #1 for MONTHS. I find it hard to believe that the 5-6 sites ranking above it ALL started doing a ton of backlinking in 5-6 days to push me down .

Originally Posted by radivoj

Well I can't provide correct answer, how old is your site ? it should be a least 1+ year old in order to establish trust with Google, the reason your site drop most likely Google dance or competition hitting that keyword with links trying to rank for, regarding Google new algorithm update it's very hard for new site which is month or a few month old less then a year to rank #1 for competitive term it may if site getting high PR link but very hard to maintain that #1 with the site less then a year old...to point out one more thing if you are planing to go after some kw to rank for, the best thing is to buy expired high PR domain that has targeting kw in it, even if site has PR 0 but is 2 + old it's very Good, you can find plenty of expired domain using register compass tool, also keep in mind there is no any problem buying expired domain and moving to your host with different IP, as long as domain is not penalized by Google Matt Cutts has confirmed that on the video...

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JDIZM

12 years ago

hmmm old thread brought to life for no reason..

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Thinking_man_too 12 years ago

The reason is googles recent release. has a lot of people scrambling for answers.
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JackPowers

12 years ago

Norwegian bro, listen to me, I actully know what I'm talking about (and so does that Mike guy).

First of all, you lost 30 HPB to a paypal error. The exact thing happened to me once and that site was raking in at least $1500 a month so I was pissed. Losing those links alone will send you spiraling downwards. Second, you have too many spam links pointing directly at your site. Send them to semi-credible backlinks instead like AMR articles or blog network posts.

But what happens when you lose 30 HPB links in a short time is that your link graph (or what you want to call it), must look really suspicious to Google. I dropped from 2nd to 40 and haven't recovered in 5 months. I didn't replace those HPB though, because I didn't want to shell out hundreds of dollars every month anyway when I could be buying my own domains.

Build a new site and get a network of your own sites and learn from your mistake. Keep building but don't get your hopes up for it to recover. Consider this site to be back at zero.

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andyveer

12 years ago

Today, same happne with me , got on no 1 for 2 main keywords 3 days ago, for week no on other main keyword and in first page of google for 5,6 keywords, now i check no where in google, i have buy lot of services for it, for past week, haven't buy though .
Yesterday my another site, it was no where in google, come in 2 page direct and then went no where, and come on 1 rank

after 4 days now yesterday got removed from Google, no where, pages are index thought ,
and 1 month ago another site , i was on no 3 page for 6,7 months, for main keyword, month ago that keyword is no where, so want to know i should work on that site or not? is Google ban for particular keyword too, or they ban complete site, alll sites are not banned, thought was year old ,but have buy lot of services .

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xshadowx

12 years ago

what kind of backlinks did you order for your homepage? can you pm me with the service name, link please?
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PS: i experienced the same terror to one of my site, and it got back, i ll share back what i did

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