$0 to $40/day In My First 4 Months (Lessons Learned)

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I've come a long way in the past 4 months. I first found out about Internet Marketing (IM) when I was doing research for my first blog and happened upon the Warrior Forum (WF). For the first couple months I was probably on WF nearly every day trying to glean as much information as I possibly could. Now that I'm starting to earn a little bit (around $1300 last month) I figured I'd share my journey with ya'll.

I know I struggled a lot when I first started, and if it wasn't for WF I might not have made it. Hope this helps and motivates everyone a bit.

*Disclaimer: I am no IM expert/guru, this is just a quick story with a little bit of data and information I used to reach $40/day after just 160 days. Also, this is probably going to be a looooong post.


My First Sites


When I first started I was a tad bit obsessed with creating Made for Adsense (MFA) sites. I didn't understand creating a bunch of crap on the internet isn't the way to go. Nor did I really understand that Google is actually trying to return quality information to their users.

So, from the advice of a couple people I met on WF, I started in a very shady niche. Unfortunately, at the time, I had no concept of copyright/trademark laws and ended up purchasing about 10 domains that all contained some form of a copyrighted name, like "Nike" or "Reebok".

I can tell you right now, regardless of how great the CTR is, or how easy it may be to rank DO NOT BREAK COPYRIGHT LAWS. It's not a good business practice and it's really not worth it to put in a lot of time and effort just to receive a C&D letter taking the site away from you, or worse. Google "DCMA" if you want to learn more.

Keyword Research


After I got out of the that niche I finally figured out about keyword research, whereas I had previously created sites based on almost no research and just what a few people had told me.

Tools in my Arsenal: Long Tail Pro (LTP), Google Adword Keyword Tool (GAKT), Soovle, SEOBook Toolbar, SerpIQ, My Sister and My Wife, My Brain, My Passion, My House

There's not exactly a shortage of information on keyword research, so I'm not going to get too far into the details. How you do keyword research will depend entirely on the types of sites you are looking to build. I personally build a mixture of sites at varying competition levels.

For low comp sites I use methods very similar to Spencer at Niche Pursuits. I primarily use LTP and GAKT. A quick tip, I use SerpIQ to double check my research. I usually don't proceed unless I get a SerpIQ less than 40. I've been able to rank some sites with a SerpIQ of 32-35 with 0 backlinks and they've stayed top 10 for 3-4 months.

Here is my criteria for low comp sites
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  • 750 exact/local/monthly searches
  • $1 CPC (though I'll go lower if searches increase a bit)
  • EMD available in .com, .net., .org
  • PR average of top 10 less than 3, prefer less than 2 and at least 1 PR 0 and hopefully a PR N/A
  • Prefer to see a few sites with 0 backlinks to page, and a few with less than 10
  • No more than 1 root domain in top 10
  • Visual inspection of On-Page SEO. Is the keyword in the title? description? all over the site? Basically is the site optimized to rank for that keyword or not
Here is my criteria for the rest of my sites:
  • At least 2,000 total exact/local/monthly searches for ALL the keywords I'll be targeting. I don't listen to what everyone says about how you need 10,000 searches to profit. I've made sites with only 320 searches a month that make $2-$5 a day.
  • Am I passionate about it? These are my long term sites that I'm going to build up over time, so I want it to be about things I'm passionate about. If you struggle here, think of off shoots. For example, let's say you love fishing. Obviously ranking for fishing is going to be tough. But what if you had a product site around "the best fishing shirt or hat" or "the best fishing gps", these may be less competitive and they still allow you to write about something you like. You can also add a ton of great quality content by just adding some general fishing articles to the site.
That's pretty much it. I'll glance at the top 10 and see the comp, I rarely bother much with it. I rank these sites by going after tons of long tails. I don't care if they get 10, 20, or 200 searches a month I go after them, starting with ones I can rank for instantly. I target keywords other people aren't willing to.

You may still be wondering, but where exactly do I come up with keywords?

In order to succeed you've got to get in this mindset: EVERYTHING IS A KEYWORD. Everyone talks about looking at the Amazon Best Sellers, or looking through Flippa Auctions or at high gravity items on Click Bank. Well, I do none of that crap. Instead I find seed keywords by using the resources around me.

First off, I look in my house. If I own something it's likely other people own it. The other day I made a site based on an item sitting on my countertop. I've made about $10 in 20 days, which isn't a lot, but I haven't done anything but put up a few product reviews.

Secondly, I ask my mom and sister. Laugh all you want, if you're not targeting things that women do/buy then you're missing out. I find out all the things my sister buys at Publix, Walmart, the mall, etc. I'll talk to my mom (who is retired) about what she does during the day, etc. It's unbelievable some of the great keywords that come out of them.

Thirdly, I talk to my wife. Like I said above, women are your money makers. They're absolutely click happy. I ask my wife what are things she would buy. Sometimes I'll just pick 10 items on Amazon and simply say, "Would you buy this online?" I'll ask her why or why not and from there I usually find even more keywords.

Fourth, I use my brain. Finding keywords is more common sense than anything else. People make it way, way too difficult. If it seems like a stupid keyword, it probably is (though that's not always the case). I'm an engineer and I see the numbers behind everything. So, when I'm walking through the mall or in Walmart or at the movies I now see the numbers behind keywords. I look at what old people are doing, why kids are crying, what are dads wearing, etc. I look at EVERYTHING. If it's even a possibility I jot it down or put it in my wife's iPhone to analyze later.

That's typically how I find my seed keywords. From there I'll go to Soovle or use Long Tail Pro to really narrow down my seed keywords to either long tails I can target or build a site around.

A lot of my sites fail. My methods are not flawless. I've purchased 48 domains in the past 4 months. Of those 48 I am working on around 10-12 sites. And of those 10-12 90% of my income comes from 3-4 of them. You are going to fail, you just need to keep at it.

Content Creation

For my lower comp sites they're typically only 4-5 pages and 4-5 posts and after ranking them I don't touch them much.

For my higher comp sites they're getting to be quite large. I think my largest site has around 15 pages and over 100 posts (300-800 words long).

I currently write all my content. However I just hired my first writer, who will be writing around 20,000 words a month for some of my link building. I thought outsourcing was overrated, but what everyone says is right...you can't do it all yourself, and it's just going to be painful if you do.

On-Page SEO


I'm still learning a bit in this department, but I can say from experience optimizing your site for your keywords is HUGE. I've moved up entire pages in rankings after optimizing. I put my first priority here on every site I make.

My keywords are always in the title. Even for my newer branded sites I have the keywords in the title. I use All in One SEO and regardless of what everyone says I still fill out the meta description and meta keywords. I'm fairly confident this helps rank in Bing/Yahoo a bit faster.

I'll also try to link back to my home page and to another post with each new post. I don't force this, but if it makes sense and helps the reader I'll interlink.

Monetization

I used to monetize entirely with Google Adsense, and that's where most of my income comes each month (about $900/mo just from adsense). I keep it simple and usually just place a 336x280 or 300x250 block in the top right of each page/post. I test out text only versus image/text and after about a month will just go with one and leave it. I've found more luck with text only, but I know that's not the case with every niche.

I've also recently been creating a lot of Amazon sites. I have about 5 Amazon sites up and running and in my first 2 months have made around $300 with Amazon. I'm on track to do about the same this month. My Amazon sites are usually based around a general product, such as "basketball shoes." On the site I'll do product reviews, product accessories, product articles and product tips. My product articles and product tips usually don't contain affiliate links, so I can balance out the site some and it doesn't look like total crap.
Themes/Plugins

I currently use a combination of themes. My lower comp adsense sites all use CTR. My long term sites use Pagelines, and my Amazon sites mostly use some themes from Themeforest.

I don't use free themes. I probably should, and I've wasted A LOT of money on "premium" themes, but I can't stand having my sites look like crap (though CTR isn't exactly beautiful).

I knew nothing about css/html when I started, but I'm slowly learning some. I highly recommend everyone learn the basics...at least.

Here's a quick list of plugins I use:

Mandatory
  • All in One SEO
  • Contact Form 7
  • Askimet
Optional:
  • Pretty Link Lite
  • Related Post Thumbnails
  • Backup Buddy (not free)
As you can see I don't use a lot of plugins...yet.

Off-Page SEO

I hate link building, absolutely hate it. But unfortunately it's necessary for most niches. Here is a basic breakdown of what I do:
  • Week 1: social bookmarks
  • Week 2: submit to top directories, a few blog comments
  • Week 3: forum comments (not profiles), Web 2.0 sites or free blogs
  • Week 4: article marketing, just a couple to ezine, goarticles, etc.
  • Week 5: private blog networks
  • Week 6: guest posting (if I can find any)
  • Rinse and Repeat weeks 3-5, including blog comments
Those are my basics. I don't follow it to the smallest detail, but I generally don't start link building much until after month 1. I like to let the site settle a lot.

I don't pay a lot of attention to PR and prefer to post on sites relative to my niche. Though I can say that if you can find a handful of PR3+ sites to get some quality in text links, you're golden.

With my newer sites I've had a lot of success by spending month 1 publishing 1 quality article per day. I've been able to ride the new content bonus wave and usually rank quicker after it drops off with some posts on private blog networks.

I'm also starting to look heavily into Guest Posting and I really think this is the single best form of link building. I recently joined The Keyword Academy and their Post Runner system is pretty awesome. I recommend everyone check them out.

One thing I've been doing a lot lately is responding to questions in forums. I've found a lot of people search the forums for "Best Keyword". So I'll go into them and respond with "I think the best keywords is blank and here is why. I also found this great site www[dot]mysite[dot]com. Some of my Amazon sites are getting 20-30 visitors a day from just a few forums. And I can tell you that these people ending up in forums are ready to buy and convert very well.

Going Forward

I'm focusing less and less on my lower comp/thin adsense sites. They don't add a lot of quality to the internet and I'm not sure they'll make it through many more algo updates.

My focus is on quality sites in niches that I like. While I'm making good money from Adsense I'm leaning more and more towards Amazon, only because it seems to be more conducive to the kinds of sites I enjoy creating.
#$40 or day #learned #lessons #months
  • Profile picture of the author feliciayapsl
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    • Profile picture of the author MonthofMay
      Thanks! Great post. I'm just really getting started though I've been "lurking" for quite some time. Gives me something concrete to get started with.
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  • Profile picture of the author dadamson
    Nice post man!

    It's these kinds of posts that instill enthusiasm and drive to new IMers.

    It also lays the cold hard truth on the line! Failure is HUGE in this game.

    You said you purchased nearly 50 domains, of them you are only working on 10 or so of them and only 3-4 are actually making any money!

    People think that one thing will work first go, honestly it doesn't.

    The only thing gurus or experienced IMers know that you don't is they have an experienced view on what will work vs what won't work. As for the actual methods and procedures, these are the same as everything demonstrated here on the forum.

    As you stated onpage SEO is highly important, especially since the Panda updates where Google is reinstating quality to it's users. Don't "over-optimize" though, when I say optimize I mean work on lots of high quality content which is focused to your visitors, not keyword-stuffed text blocks.

    Keep working on it man, that $1,300 per month will turn into $13,000 per month sooner than you think!

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  • Profile picture of the author Kris79
    Thank for sharing.

    Few questions:
    - Off-page SEO - do you use it only for high comp sites, do you do any backlinking for you low sites, or it depands
    - do you use only EMD or would you buy also phrase match (with prefix or something)
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    • Profile picture of the author Chasing Pace
      Originally Posted by Kris79 View Post

      Thank for sharing.

      Few questions:
      - Off-page SEO - do you use it only for high comp sites, do you do any backlinking for you low sites, or it depands
      - do you use only EMD or would you buy also phrase match (with prefix or something)
      I do off page SEO for all sites, it's just that my lower comp sites don't need a lot usually. Typically some social bookmarks, a few blog comments, and 10-20 contextual backlinks is all they need to rank.

      For my lower comp sites I only use EMD. In the short run I've found it adds a little bonus to ranking faster. I've tried adding prefix/suffix and found it didn't work as well.

      For my longer term sites I never use EMD. I pick a branded name and then work on branding that site.
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      • Profile picture of the author WallyworldWf
        Originally Posted by Chasing Pace View Post

        I do off page SEO for all sites, it's just that my lower comp sites don't need a lot usually. Typically some social bookmarks, a few blog comments, and 10-20 contextual backlinks is all they need to rank.

        For my lower comp sites I only use EMD. In the short run I've found it adds a little bonus to ranking faster. I've tried adding prefix/suffix and found it didn't work as well.

        For my longer term sites I never use EMD. I pick a branded name and then work on branding that site.
        Do you place adsense on your sites from the start? On your mini sites, how many articles do you have posted when you go live?
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  • Profile picture of the author TryBPO
    Great post. We too are looking at this as a numbers game. Depending on your exact process a certain percentage of micro niche sites simply never rank and therefore never earn. Some earn a lot less than expected because your CPC and advertiser research was off (or at least the data provided to you was off).

    We tell people all the time -- get off the forums and start building sites. Try things out. You be amazed at what works, but you have to stick with it.
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  • Profile picture of the author Bryan V
    Good to hear! You've hit levels most people trying AdSense will never see.

    Sure, it's a numbers game but there are ways to lower that failure rate. By now, you must have noticed some pattern showing why they didn't make the cut right?
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    • Profile picture of the author Chasing Pace
      Originally Posted by Bryan V View Post

      Sure, it's a numbers game but there are ways to lower that failure rate. By now, you must have noticed some pattern showing why they didn't make the cut right?
      I'm definitely getting better at weeding out bad niches. Of the past 10 sites I've built, I'd say 4 of them are looking pretty good.

      How many hours a week you spending trying to manage it all?
      When I first started I worked as much as I possibly could. Off work at 6pm, home and working on sites from 7pm to 1 or 2am, everyday for about 2 months.

      Lately, with the help of my wife I've got a content/link building schedule (I set a specific number of articles/words I want to hit each night). I work each night from 7:45pm to 10:45pm. So that's about 20 hours a week. This isn't work to me though, I love spending time on my sites.
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      • Profile picture of the author bjd461
        Very nice, and thanks for sharing.
        I always love hearing these success stories.
        Inspiring!
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  • Profile picture of the author Juvv2096
    Good read, I like the story behind the success mate.

    How many hours a week you spending trying to manage it all?
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  • Profile picture of the author trafficmasters
    Agreed its always nice to read about something meeting there goal!

    congrats
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    • Profile picture of the author Hobo82
      Thanks for sharing your story. I know as for myself a couple of months ago I joined Amazon Associates have 2 sites getting visitors on the sites but no orders as of yet. I guess it takes time. Once again thanks for your info, I know it will help me. Have a great holiday.

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  • Profile picture of the author penpoint
    Good work. Thanks for the info. If you want to try a decent free theme take a look at Weaver. They can be made to look pretty good and, while they are not SEO optimized out of the box, they are fairly easy to get SEO ready.

    Luck to you.
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    • Profile picture of the author larkykid
      Inspiring post, and well done to your recent success. Do you host all your sites on the same account, or do you spread them out a bit between different accounts?

      If you host all your sites on the same account, have you noticed any ranking difficulties or has it not really made an impact?
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      • Profile picture of the author Chasing Pace
        Originally Posted by larkykid View Post

        Inspiring post, and well done to your recent success. Do you host all your sites on the same account, or do you spread them out a bit between different accounts?

        If you host all your sites on the same account, have you noticed any ranking difficulties or has it not really made an impact?
        I don't host all my sites on the same account. However, it's only recently (about 2 weeks ago) that I purchased another hosting account.

        So, most of my sites are still on one account and I've experienced no problems ranking any sites.
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  • Profile picture of the author MaryaZ
    It was great reading about your journey. I like the way you think out of the box for your keywords.
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  • Profile picture of the author outwest
    Sounds like a lot of domains bought never got used
    I do that too but try to do it as little as possible

    I am not a fan of the EMD buy a new domain for each new Kw thingy
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    • Profile picture of the author Chasing Pace
      Originally Posted by outwest View Post

      Sounds like a lot of domains bought never got used
      I do that too but try to do it as little as possible

      I am not a fan of the EMD buy a new domain for each new Kw thingy
      I used all of the domains. A lot of them just didn't pan out, and some of them I just let die because I felt like they offered low quality.

      I build backlinks very slowly, but my patience is diminishing.
      For my newer sites I'm building links very slowly as well. It does test your patience. However, most of my goals are 3 year goals. It took me a few months to get over "instant gratification syndrome", but once you can sit back and build for the future I think you end up building higher quality links which will last in the long run.
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  • Profile picture of the author CoryW
    Congrats. I started about 4 months ago as well...up to about $150 per month now in Adsense revenue. 19 sites and only a handful are ranked high enough to make money. I build backlinks very slowly, but my patience is diminishing.
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  • Profile picture of the author Russel Mogul
    Good stuff, now take this thread down , create a video course and go promote this in the WSO section. I might even buy it and give a rave review!
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  • Profile picture of the author golf69
    good to see someone making a few bucks with adsense...great way to make money
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  • Profile picture of the author maclennan
    Thanks for this..

    This is a great story,showing that it is difficult,but possible, to make money at this business, it is inspirational for people to hear stories of true experience,rather than claims of making $1,000'ss a day. Well done!!! ...

    Once again,thanks for sharing, will follow you blog, and take some of your ideas..
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  • Profile picture of the author nancyjan
    Thanks for the great post and information.
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  • Profile picture of the author athink
    Thanks for the post bro very informative.
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    i noted this list of tool of you, merci
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  • Profile picture of the author outwest
    My question is with your new strategy of 2000 exact monthly, (minimum I assume)
    are you only going to go for EMDs again?
    If so I think you are missing a lot of kws that are great kws, just because they dont have the EMDs you pass them by? I think thats a mistake

    I think you guys who judge if a kw is good or not by not necessarily the top 10 Google competition, but by whether the EMDs are available, that confuses me

    what if a kw has pathetic competition on top 10 google, but some idiot domain squatter already bought all the EMDs? so then you pass that kw right by then? just because the EMDs are not available? That makes no sense at all

    Example
    For a new niche I am going after I spent a TON of time researching
    I found kws with 12000, 15000 EXACT searches per month (local)
    these kws had some top 3 places on google with backlinks of
    5, 10, 0
    seriously
    with that many monthly searches

    now were they easy to find HELL NO
    but I didnt look if they had EMDs available, because it makes zero difference to me, I can easily rank these pages for these kws, on an authority domain for that niche

    if I had looked for EMDs like you guys do and said, OOPS NO EMD, go on to the next kw
    that would have been very foolish

    ah well u guys keep buyin those EMDs
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    • Profile picture of the author Juvv2096
      Originally Posted by outwest View Post

      My question is with your new strategy of 2000 exact monthly, (minimum I assume)
      are you only going to go for EMDs again?
      If so I think you are missing a lot of kws that are great kws, just because they dont have the EMDs you pass them by? I think thats a mistake

      I think you guys who judge if a kw is good or not by not necessarily the top 10 Google competition, but by whether the EMDs are available, that confuses me

      what if a kw has pathetic competition on top 10 google, but some idiot domain squatter already bought all the EMDs? so then you pass that kw right by then? just because the EMDs are not available? That makes no sense at all

      Example
      For a new niche I am going after I spent a TON of time researching
      I found kws with 12000, 15000 EXACT searches per month (local)
      these kws had some top 3 places on google with backlinks of
      5, 10, 0
      seriously
      with that many monthly searches

      now were they easy to find HELL NO
      but I didnt look if they had EMDs available, because it makes zero difference to me, I can easily rank these pages for these kws, on an authority domain for that niche

      if I had looked for EMDs like you guys do and said, OOPS NO EMD, go on to the next kw
      that would have been very foolish

      but you EMD worshippers, only look for kws with EMD available
      which to me is very foolish
      Very good points here. I would have to agree with you. For my local business, I rank very high for keywords that arent in my domain. IF your on page SEO is good, and your backlinks are strong, you can rank for any keyword regardless if its in your URL.

      If you are so worried about ranking with the keyword in the domain, create a page specifically for it thats not your home page. This is my strategy for every single site I work with.

      Choose 20 keywords, then create sub pages specific for that keyword. It still holds lots of relevence and shows up in google on the url even if its not the top level EMD.

      Eg. for people who dont understand what im saying:

      Keyword : Dog Training

      www.thetrainerz.com/services/dog-training
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    • Profile picture of the author Chasing Pace
      Originally Posted by outwest View Post

      My question is with your new strategy of 2000 exact monthly, (minimum I assume)
      are you only going to go for EMDs again?
      If so I think you are missing a lot of kws that are great kws, just because they dont have the EMDs you pass them by? I think thats a mistake
      I think you're slightly confused on my strategy. I make 2 different types of websites.

      Short Term


      These are smaller sites (maybe 10-15 pages) that I create strictly based on keyword research and the criteria I use above. I can easily rank these sites and keep them on page 1 within 3-4 weeks. I then use the income I generate from these short term sites to fund my long term sites.

      I call these short term sites because I put very little effort into them and I believe they could easily drop in the SERPs with a Google update. Why do I make "thin sites" if I believe they could easily drop? Because the return on investment is super high and they require very little time, maybe a few hours to build the site and 1 hour a week for a month and that's it.

      I use EMDs because I've had better experience ranking a site quicker with EMDs. Am I missing out on some keywords? Probably. But I don't put much effort into these sites. I just write a few high quality articles and rank the site to start generating income.

      Long Term


      These are larger sites and really the sites I plan on using to generate enough revenue to live off of. While keyword research does play a part in these sites, I mostly create these sites around what I'm passionate about. I use a brandable domain name for these sites. This is where 90% of my effort goes.


      I think you guys who judge if a kw is good or not by not necessarily the top 10 Google competition, but by whether the EMDs are available, that confuses me
      I don't judge keyword's profitability by whether or not the EMD is available. I decide on whether or not I will pursue that keyword. I specifically choose not to pursue keywords that do not have EMDs (for my short term sites) because I've found it harder to rank them and don't want to put in the effort, that's all.

      what if a kw has pathetic competition on top 10 google, but some idiot domain squatter already bought all the EMDs? so then you pass that kw right by then? just because the EMDs are not available? That makes no sense at all
      I haven't come across this yet. If I happened upon something like this I would consider going after it.

      Example
      For a new niche I am going after I spent a TON of time researching
      I found kws with 12000, 15000 EXACT searches per month (local)
      these kws had some top 3 places on google with backlinks of
      5, 10, 0
      seriously
      with that many monthly searches

      now were they easy to find HELL NO
      but I didnt look if they had EMDs available, because it makes zero difference to me, I can easily rank these pages for these kws, on an authority domain for that niche

      if I had looked for EMDs like you guys do and said, OOPS NO EMD, go on to the next kw
      that would have been very foolish

      ah well u guys keep buyin those EMDs
      I hope your method continues to serve you well. My method just happens to be different.
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  • Profile picture of the author dncserv
    Wow, just what I was looking for !!!
    Finally someone with a REAL life experience.
    I have been reading posts and WSO's and all sorts of things. Been promised everything and found practically nothing!!!
    There have been some positives (this is one) with people who want to truly help newbie IM'ers and I have learned a lot from them. e.g.
    Be patient
    be consistent with quality
    be resilient when things fail (as they have and will)
    Be sure to find people you CAN TRUST and LISTEN TO THEM.

    This is one post I am going to print out, put in my notebook and refer back to so that I can remind myself to keep going and my business WILL grow.

    Thanks for all the helpful info.
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    • Profile picture of the author outwest
      Originally Posted by dncserv View Post

      Wow, just what I was looking for !!!
      Finally someone with a REAL life experience.
      I have been reading posts and WSO's and all sorts of things. Been promised everything and found practically nothing!!!
      There have been some positives (this is one) with people who want to truly help newbie IM'ers and I have learned a lot from them. e.g.
      Be patient
      be consistent with quality
      be resilient when things fail (as they have and will)
      Be sure to find people you CAN TRUST and LISTEN TO THEM.

      This is one post I am going to print out, put in my notebook and refer back to so that I can remind myself to keep going and my business WILL grow.

      Thanks for all the helpful info.
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  • Profile picture of the author Andy Hart
    SOOVLE looks pretty cool didn't know about that, would be even better if there was a soovle scraper.

    Do you know of one??
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    • Profile picture of the author yukon
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      SOOVLE looks pretty cool didn't know about that, would be even better if there was a soovle scraper.

      Do you know of one??
      Do your search on soovle then highlight the whole page (text) & Right click, Copy, then Paste into a new text file on your desktop.
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      • Profile picture of the author DGFletcher
        I liked what you said about 'instant gratification versus 3 year goals'. My question is what do I do about the fact that I have a $250 rent, a $80 phone bill and a $50 food bill, plus website expenses that do need to be 'instant gratified' in order for me to have time to sit down and start working on 3 year goals? Especially that darn rent bill.

        Everything else I can pretty much cover through sit-down-once and freelance crap.
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        • Profile picture of the author Chasing Pace
          Originally Posted by DGFletcher View Post

          I liked what you said about 'instant gratification versus 3 year goals'. My question is what do I do about the fact that I have a $250 rent, a $80 phone bill and a $50 food bill, plus website expenses that do need to be 'instant gratified' in order for me to have time to sit down and start working on 3 year goals? Especially that darn rent bill.

          Everything else I can pretty much cover through sit-down-once and freelance crap.
          I think your question was more rhetorical, but I wanted to respond because this kind of hit home with me.

          I can't remember if I said this above or not, but I work a full time job from 7am to 6pm and sometimes on the weekend. All the work I do on my sites is in addition to that work, and when I first started that was around 6-7 hours a night, though now it's around 3-4.

          So, if you add that up I was probably working 100 hours a week for the first couple months and around 80 hours a week now. I guess my answer is the only thing you can do is continue to work hard and keep your costs down by doing everything yourself. That should leave you with only $15/mo or so in basic hosting/domain costs.

          P.S. I got rid of my Blackberry ($90/mo) to buy into a private blog network at $75/mo
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        • Profile picture of the author outwest
          Originally Posted by DGFletcher View Post

          I liked what you said about 'instant gratification versus 3 year goals'. My question is what do I do about the fact that I have a $250 rent, a $80 phone bill and a $50 food bill, plus website expenses that do need to be 'instant gratified' in order for me to have time to sit down and start working on 3 year goals? Especially that darn rent bill.

          Everything else I can pretty much cover through sit-down-once and freelance crap.
          I only wish my rent was as cheap as yours heck my electric bill is more than your rent

          thats my inspiration
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  • Profile picture of the author lostcyclist
    Man.

    I'm still blown away.

    Really appreciated the break-down between your two types of sites and what you look for in keywords

    I tend to just try to find a couple stronger words that have over 5,000 monthly, and then shoot for a lot of long-tails around them that have as little as 100/ monthly. I think it makes it easier to find words with less competition that way.

    Although, 2012 is going to really tell. I'm going to be really excited to see what Chasing Pace unfolds!
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  • Profile picture of the author BettyM
    Inspiring post. I started with goals like paying the cable bill, then the electric bill.

    Now I want to pay off my mortgage. Achieivable goals are the way to stay on track.

    Plus now you have a skill that you can charge consulting fees for. That is where I make my major income. Adsense/Amazon sites are more of a hobby for me and keep my skill level high on blogging and SEO. You also gain a portfolio you can use to impress clients.
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  • Profile picture of the author mikkyone
    Thanks for sharing with us. It was a very interesting and useful. I will definitely try and apply some of your methods. Great Post.
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    • Profile picture of the author Chasing Pace
      Originally Posted by mikkyone View Post

      Thanks for sharing with us. It was a very interesting and useful. I will definitely try and apply some of your methods. Great Post.
      Good deal, let me know how it goes.

      Also I'm going to be doing a pretty sweet Case Study starting around Christmas. Going to reveal my methods from start to finish in a niche challenge of sorts. I'm sure I'll be back in a couple weeks with a post on here if anyone is interested.
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  • Profile picture of the author WakondaMarketing
    This is one of the "eureka" and "aha" moments that I really love to read. Congratulations and more success to you!
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  • Profile picture of the author gtk29
    I have come across this kind of well written nice post in a long while. Good work bro ! and Thanks
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  • Profile picture of the author charlescl
    Thanks for sharing.
    Ah, you just use three wordpress plugins, I used a lot.

    will take your advices of the off page SEO.
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  • Profile picture of the author Alex Liu
    Can't imagine how simple you made everything. I used the same method and have been making a living for sometime. Great share.
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  • Profile picture of the author JuicerFan
    Hey Adsense Experts.

    Anyone know how to deal with people giving you multiple clicks.

    Maybe they are trying to be nice. Maybe they are trying to mess with your Adsense Hustle. Either way, either or, be it A or B, its a problem, yes?

    Someone in another threat told me to limit ads per IP or per visitor? Any thoughts guy?

    Good luck with your Adsense Hustle.
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    • Profile picture of the author Russel Mogul
      Originally Posted by JuicerFan View Post

      Hey Adsense Experts.

      Anyone know how to deal with people giving you multiple clicks.

      Maybe they are trying to be nice. Maybe they are trying to mess with your Adsense Hustle. Either way, either or, be it A or B, its a problem, yes?

      Someone in another threat told me to limit ads per IP or per visitor? Any thoughts guy?

      Good luck with your Adsense Hustle.
      Report any suspicious behavior to Adsense directly. No use getting your account banned on the first few months. you know
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  • Profile picture of the author ukcarl
    Awesome post man I have just over 30 thin adsense sites and I have to say I am also leaning towards building more built out sites that add more value.

    Very cool though man $40/day is pretty respectable, just keep going soon it will be $100+/day
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    • Profile picture of the author Chasing Pace
      Originally Posted by ukcarl View Post

      Awesome post man I have just over 30 thin adsense sites and I have to say I am also leaning towards building more built out sites that add more value.

      Very cool though man $40/day is pretty respectable, just keep going soon it will be $100+/day
      Ya, I have no empirical evidence that suggests micro niche sites are going away, in fact Spencer at Niche Pursuits is a great example of them still thriving.

      Though I can't help but think it's not a business model that can last and I'd like to be around for a long time in IM
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      • Profile picture of the author ukcarl
        Originally Posted by Chasing Pace View Post

        Ya, I have no empirical evidence that suggests micro niche sites are going away, in fact Spencer at Niche Pursuits is a great example of them still thriving.

        Though I can't help but think it's not a business model that can last and I'd like to be around for a long time in IM
        Too true, I wouldnt base my hole business on it, but I think its a nice base to get money coming in fast.

        Then you can look into larger projects that will take longer to see results, when you can afford to wait for results thats my theory anyway.

        I dont mind short lived income streams as long as there isn't too much work, also micro sites have a great exit stratergy, your looking at like 10-15X monthly revenue on somewhere like Flippa.com pretty sweet and excelent potential ROI
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        • Profile picture of the author OnemanShow
          Great post!! its boost of new blood for the IMers..Thanks for the tips pal

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          • Profile picture of the author kyleoxenham
            Great Post! Good to hear someone is getting good success, I would love to be earning $1000/mth with Adsense, back in 2004-05 I was making over $10k/mth but never seemed to ever recover after the Google updates and I lost everything.

            I am trying to increase my adsense income again, and have brought it up to about $50/mth the last couple months from $0. And my affiliate income is up to about $150/mth from $0 over the last couple months.

            I am disappointed to say that I have build over 200 websites in 2011 and even though many are on the first page, I only make money from a handful of site's probably around 10% or less. Usually the #1 position makes the most, bottom or middle of page 1 is almost useless.

            I get discouraged with all the work I've done with little success, but at least I am making some money.

            I am now in a situation where I NEED to earn my living online, because I am living in a foreign country and have no job opportunities offline. So I need to get my income up-to at least $1000+/mth ASAP.

            I am working with many sites in many niches, I have many on page 1 and page 2 but it seems that if they are not #1-4 they get almost no traffic and make nothing.

            I hate backlinking too, and I don't like spending money I don't have on outsourcing, so I guess I have to just suck it up and build backlinks to all my sites, one at a time and try to be patient with increasing my results. I don't have 3 years to make my goals, I have more like 3-5 months.

            Good luck with increasing your income and reaching your online goals, thanks again for the post.
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            • Profile picture of the author outwest
              Originally Posted by kyleoxenham View Post

              Great Post! Good to hear someone is getting good success, I would love to be earning $1000/mth with Adsense, back in 2004-05 I was making over $10k/mth but never seemed to ever recover after the Google updates and I lost everything.

              I am trying to increase my adsense income again, and have brought it up to about $50/mth the last couple months from $0. And my affiliate income is up to about $150/mth from $0 over the last couple months.

              I am disappointed to say that I have build over 200 websites in 2011 and even though many are on the first page, I only make money from a handful of site's probably around 10% or less. Usually the #1 position makes the most, bottom or middle of page 1 is almost useless.

              I get discouraged with all the work I've done with little success, but at least I am making some money.

              I am now in a situation where I NEED to earn my living online, because I am living in a foreign country and have no job opportunities offline. So I need to get my income up-to at least $1000+/mth ASAP.

              I am working with many sites in many niches, I have many on page 1 and page 2 but it seems that if they are not #1-4 they get almost no traffic and make nothing.

              I hate backlinking too, and I don't like spending money I don't have on outsourcing, so I guess I have to just suck it up and build backlinks to all my sites, one at a time and try to be patient with increasing my results. I don't have 3 years to make my goals, I have more like 3-5 months.

              Good luck with increasing your income and reaching your online goals, thanks again for the post.
              I would head over to the CPA forum
              SEO backlinking etc free traffic from google takes WAY longer to start making money than PPC and CPA
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  • Profile picture of the author chrislangley
    Nice tips, the key ofcourse is enjoying building backlinks and content for the niches you enjoy
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    • Profile picture of the author Chasing Pace
      Originally Posted by chrislangley View Post

      Nice tips, the key ofcourse is enjoying building backlinks and content for the niches you enjoy
      I can't imagine anyone enjoys building backlinks, but writing cool content is definitely fun.
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  • Profile picture of the author bocceman
    Great post! Thanks for sharing.
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  • Profile picture of the author edumonsters
    You have done a good job sharing this with us. It's indeed a great post which I'll return later to read while I act it out. I mean learning and doing at the same time. A comment will help book-mark this thread!

    Thank you very much for this useful information.
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  • Profile picture of the author korn
    Thanks. Great share. I always have problems with keyword research. I think I will try the Long Tail Pro. I will follow your method.
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  • Profile picture of the author chiclets
    Very inspiring and great post!! Sometime you really need to experiment more with the placement of your adsense. That's what i'm doing now. Congrats by the way!
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  • Profile picture of the author marksmith21
    Your experience sounds familiar. I think it is cool how everyone has thier own methods of keyword research. I usually based my keywords on what I was passionate about.
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    • Profile picture of the author Chasing Pace
      Originally Posted by marksmith21 View Post

      Your experience sounds familiar. I think it is cool how everyone has thier own methods of keyword research. I usually based my keywords on what I was passionate about.
      I focus my larger sites on things I'm passionate about. At first it was hard to even figure out what I was passionate about that I could market. Recently I've been starting with a product and working my passion into it and I feel like that is working well.
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  • Profile picture of the author Chasing Pace
    Just an FYI, to those of you who have PM'ed me I can't respond, as this thread was my first post at WF.

    If you want to get in touch with me you'll have to do it via Chasing Pace. Thanks!
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  • Profile picture of the author hamburglar
    Hey Pace,

    You have really inspired me to get back into the game again. I am in month 2 and have doubled my income to $160/month.

    Its gonna take some time. With a lot of trial and error I hope to get where you are and further.

    Regards,
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  • Profile picture of the author GSONG
    Thanks for the great post! I don't focus a major part of my portfolio on adsense niche sites still having a bit of fun with it.
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  • Profile picture of the author coachbob
    Thanks for the inspiration. I've had good success in the beginning like you. Then we lost our house to a fire and didn't get started again until about a year later. The sites kept going up until google started their updates. Then I lost a site to home depot followed by getting a new site that was going up during the panda spanda and it was de-indexed. Had to stop working on sites to get another job to pay the bills this summer. Started back up and had a site going strong until last week when google dumped it, at least this time it is not de-indexed. What ticks me off is the two sites that were going up had unique content that I wrote and had only 1 google link in them. I wanted to be careful and not overdue it, now............
    I plaster google all around. I get adsense mail all the time telling me my best earning site needs more ad's or has more space to add a couple more adsense, but I really don't know what to do after the year I've had. I hate pouring my soul into a site, creating over 40 posts/pages and then getting hammered. Talk about 3 steps forward 100 backwards. :-) At least this post here get's my juices flowing again.
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    • Profile picture of the author Chasing Pace
      Originally Posted by coachbob View Post

      Thanks for the inspiration. I've had good success in the beginning like you. Then we lost our house to a fire and didn't get started again until about a year later. The sites kept going up until google started their updates. Then I lost a site to home depot followed by getting a new site that was going up during the panda spanda and it was de-indexed. Had to stop working on sites to get another job to pay the bills this summer. Started back up and had a site going strong until last week when google dumped it, at least this time it is not de-indexed. What ticks me off is the two sites that were going up had unique content that I wrote and had only 1 google link in them. I wanted to be careful and not overdue it, now............
      I plaster google all around. I get adsense mail all the time telling me my best earning site needs more ad's or has more space to add a couple more adsense, but I really don't know what to do after the year I've had. I hate pouring my soul into a site, creating over 40 posts/pages and then getting hammered. Talk about 3 steps forward 100 backwards. :-) At least this post here get's my juices flowing again.
      That's some hard stuff to deal with. Keep persevering as you have and I'm confident you'll succeed!
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  • Profile picture of the author Chasing Pace
    Just as I mentioned I'll be doing a live case study.

    I just wanted to let ya'll know that case study is finally starting!

    You can find out all the details through the case study link in my signature. I'll also be making another post in a little bit with some more details. Let me know what you guys think!
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  • Profile picture of the author bestbuddy1986
    Just confused...

    For the first couple months I was probably on WF nearly every day trying to glean as much information as I possibly could. Now that I'm starting to earn a little bit (around $1300 last month) I figured I'd share my journey with ya'll.

    But your profile show you joined in Nov 2011 ??? Whats the catch...


    Originally Posted by Chasing Pace View Post

    I've come a long way in the past 4 months. I first found out about Internet Marketing (IM) when I was doing research for my first blog and happened upon the Warrior Forum (WF). For the first couple months I was probably on WF nearly every day trying to glean as much information as I possibly could. Now that I'm starting to earn a little bit (around $1300 last month) I figured I'd share my journey with ya'll.

    I know I struggled a lot when I first started, and if it wasn't for WF I might not have made it. Hope this helps and motivates everyone a bit.

    *Disclaimer: I am no IM expert/guru, this is just a quick story with a little bit of data and information I used to reach $40/day after just 160 days. Also, this is probably going to be a looooong post.


    My First Sites


    When I first started I was a tad bit obsessed with creating Made for Adsense (MFA) sites. I didn't understand creating a bunch of crap on the internet isn't the way to go. Nor did I really understand that Google is actually trying to return quality information to their users.

    So, from the advice of a couple people I met on WF, I started in a very shady niche. Unfortunately, at the time, I had no concept of copyright/trademark laws and ended up purchasing about 10 domains that all contained some form of a copyrighted name, like "Nike" or "Reebok".

    I can tell you right now, regardless of how great the CTR is, or how easy it may be to rank DO NOT BREAK COPYRIGHT LAWS. It's not a good business practice and it's really not worth it to put in a lot of time and effort just to receive a C&D letter taking the site away from you, or worse. Google "DCMA" if you want to learn more.

    Keyword Research


    After I got out of the that niche I finally figured out about keyword research, whereas I had previously created sites based on almost no research and just what a few people had told me.

    Tools in my Arsenal: Long Tail Pro (LTP), Google Adword Keyword Tool (GAKT), Soovle, SEOBook Toolbar, SerpIQ, My Sister and My Wife, My Brain, My Passion, My House

    There's not exactly a shortage of information on keyword research, so I'm not going to get too far into the details. How you do keyword research will depend entirely on the types of sites you are looking to build. I personally build a mixture of sites at varying competition levels.

    For low comp sites I use methods very similar to Spencer at Niche Pursuits. I primarily use LTP and GAKT. A quick tip, I use SerpIQ to double check my research. I usually don't proceed unless I get a SerpIQ less than 40. I've been able to rank some sites with a SerpIQ of 32-35 with 0 backlinks and they've stayed top 10 for 3-4 months.

    Here is my criteria for low comp sites
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    • 750 exact/local/monthly searches
    • $1 CPC (though I'll go lower if searches increase a bit)
    • EMD available in .com, .net., .org
    • PR average of top 10 less than 3, prefer less than 2 and at least 1 PR 0 and hopefully a PR N/A
    • Prefer to see a few sites with 0 backlinks to page, and a few with less than 10
    • No more than 1 root domain in top 10
    • Visual inspection of On-Page SEO. Is the keyword in the title? description? all over the site? Basically is the site optimized to rank for that keyword or not
    Here is my criteria for the rest of my sites:
    • At least 2,000 total exact/local/monthly searches for ALL the keywords I'll be targeting. I don't listen to what everyone says about how you need 10,000 searches to profit. I've made sites with only 320 searches a month that make $2-$5 a day.
    • Am I passionate about it? These are my long term sites that I'm going to build up over time, so I want it to be about things I'm passionate about. If you struggle here, think of off shoots. For example, let's say you love fishing. Obviously ranking for fishing is going to be tough. But what if you had a product site around "the best fishing shirt or hat" or "the best fishing gps", these may be less competitive and they still allow you to write about something you like. You can also add a ton of great quality content by just adding some general fishing articles to the site.
    That's pretty much it. I'll glance at the top 10 and see the comp, I rarely bother much with it. I rank these sites by going after tons of long tails. I don't care if they get 10, 20, or 200 searches a month I go after them, starting with ones I can rank for instantly. I target keywords other people aren't willing to.

    You may still be wondering, but where exactly do I come up with keywords?

    In order to succeed you've got to get in this mindset: EVERYTHING IS A KEYWORD. Everyone talks about looking at the Amazon Best Sellers, or looking through Flippa Auctions or at high gravity items on Click Bank. Well, I do none of that crap. Instead I find seed keywords by using the resources around me.

    First off, I look in my house. If I own something it's likely other people own it. The other day I made a site based on an item sitting on my countertop. I've made about $10 in 20 days, which isn't a lot, but I haven't done anything but put up a few product reviews.

    Secondly, I ask my mom and sister. Laugh all you want, if you're not targeting things that women do/buy then you're missing out. I find out all the things my sister buys at Publix, Walmart, the mall, etc. I'll talk to my mom (who is retired) about what she does during the day, etc. It's unbelievable some of the great keywords that come out of them.

    Thirdly, I talk to my wife. Like I said above, women are your money makers. They're absolutely click happy. I ask my wife what are things she would buy. Sometimes I'll just pick 10 items on Amazon and simply say, "Would you buy this online?" I'll ask her why or why not and from there I usually find even more keywords.

    Fourth, I use my brain. Finding keywords is more common sense than anything else. People make it way, way too difficult. If it seems like a stupid keyword, it probably is (though that's not always the case). I'm an engineer and I see the numbers behind everything. So, when I'm walking through the mall or in Walmart or at the movies I now see the numbers behind keywords. I look at what old people are doing, why kids are crying, what are dads wearing, etc. I look at EVERYTHING. If it's even a possibility I jot it down or put it in my wife's iPhone to analyze later.

    That's typically how I find my seed keywords. From there I'll go to Soovle or use Long Tail Pro to really narrow down my seed keywords to either long tails I can target or build a site around.

    A lot of my sites fail. My methods are not flawless. I've purchased 48 domains in the past 4 months. Of those 48 I am working on around 10-12 sites. And of those 10-12 90% of my income comes from 3-4 of them. You are going to fail, you just need to keep at it.

    Content Creation

    For my lower comp sites they're typically only 4-5 pages and 4-5 posts and after ranking them I don't touch them much.

    For my higher comp sites they're getting to be quite large. I think my largest site has around 15 pages and over 100 posts (300-800 words long).

    I currently write all my content. However I just hired my first writer, who will be writing around 20,000 words a month for some of my link building. I thought outsourcing was overrated, but what everyone says is right...you can't do it all yourself, and it's just going to be painful if you do.

    On-Page SEO


    I'm still learning a bit in this department, but I can say from experience optimizing your site for your keywords is HUGE. I've moved up entire pages in rankings after optimizing. I put my first priority here on every site I make.

    My keywords are always in the title. Even for my newer branded sites I have the keywords in the title. I use All in One SEO and regardless of what everyone says I still fill out the meta description and meta keywords. I'm fairly confident this helps rank in Bing/Yahoo a bit faster.

    I'll also try to link back to my home page and to another post with each new post. I don't force this, but if it makes sense and helps the reader I'll interlink.

    Monetization

    I used to monetize entirely with Google Adsense, and that's where most of my income comes each month (about $900/mo just from adsense). I keep it simple and usually just place a 336x280 or 300x250 block in the top right of each page/post. I test out text only versus image/text and after about a month will just go with one and leave it. I've found more luck with text only, but I know that's not the case with every niche.

    I've also recently been creating a lot of Amazon sites. I have about 5 Amazon sites up and running and in my first 2 months have made around $300 with Amazon. I'm on track to do about the same this month. My Amazon sites are usually based around a general product, such as "basketball shoes." On the site I'll do product reviews, product accessories, product articles and product tips. My product articles and product tips usually don't contain affiliate links, so I can balance out the site some and it doesn't look like total crap.
    Themes/Plugins

    I currently use a combination of themes. My lower comp adsense sites all use CTR. My long term sites use Pagelines, and my Amazon sites mostly use some themes from Themeforest.

    I don't use free themes. I probably should, and I've wasted A LOT of money on "premium" themes, but I can't stand having my sites look like crap (though CTR isn't exactly beautiful).

    I knew nothing about css/html when I started, but I'm slowly learning some. I highly recommend everyone learn the basics...at least.

    Here's a quick list of plugins I use:

    Mandatory
    • All in One SEO
    • Contact Form 7
    • Askimet
    Optional:
    • Pretty Link Lite
    • Related Post Thumbnails
    • Backup Buddy (not free)
    As you can see I don't use a lot of plugins...yet.

    Off-Page SEO

    I hate link building, absolutely hate it. But unfortunately it's necessary for most niches. Here is a basic breakdown of what I do:
    • Week 1: social bookmarks
    • Week 2: submit to top directories, a few blog comments
    • Week 3: forum comments (not profiles), Web 2.0 sites or free blogs
    • Week 4: article marketing, just a couple to ezine, goarticles, etc.
    • Week 5: private blog networks
    • Week 6: guest posting (if I can find any)
    • Rinse and Repeat weeks 3-5, including blog comments
    Those are my basics. I don't follow it to the smallest detail, but I generally don't start link building much until after month 1. I like to let the site settle a lot.

    I don't pay a lot of attention to PR and prefer to post on sites relative to my niche. Though I can say that if you can find a handful of PR3+ sites to get some quality in text links, you're golden.

    With my newer sites I've had a lot of success by spending month 1 publishing 1 quality article per day. I've been able to ride the new content bonus wave and usually rank quicker after it drops off with some posts on private blog networks.

    I'm also starting to look heavily into Guest Posting and I really think this is the single best form of link building. I recently joined The Keyword Academy and their Post Runner system is pretty awesome. I recommend everyone check them out.

    One thing I've been doing a lot lately is responding to questions in forums. I've found a lot of people search the forums for "Best Keyword". So I'll go into them and respond with "I think the best keywords is blank and here is why. I also found this great site www[dot]mysite[dot]com. Some of my Amazon sites are getting 20-30 visitors a day from just a few forums. And I can tell you that these people ending up in forums are ready to buy and convert very well.

    Going Forward

    I'm focusing less and less on my lower comp/thin adsense sites. They don't add a lot of quality to the internet and I'm not sure they'll make it through many more algo updates.

    My focus is on quality sites in niches that I like. While I'm making good money from Adsense I'm leaning more and more towards Amazon, only because it seems to be more conducive to the kinds of sites I enjoy creating.
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  • Profile picture of the author dofdiamond
    Very Inspiring post, Congrats.. this post is really helpful for newbie here like me. I am going to Start my own Fun Zone Site for Ad-sense in next January surly i follow your tips and tricks.
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    • Profile picture of the author Chasing Pace
      Just confused...

      For the first couple months I was probably on WF nearly every day trying to glean as much information as I possibly could. Now that I'm starting to earn a little bit (around $1300 last month) I figured I'd share my journey with ya'll.

      But your profile show you joined in Nov 2011 ??? Whats the catch...
      Out of everything I wrote that's what you picked up on? I didn't join until a couple weeks before I posted, I was visiting before that
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      EDIT: double post, sorry
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  • Profile picture of the author idimyself
    What a good inspiration for others like myself who need to here of others who struggle but finally start to see good results with hard work and determination. I know I could use some of your determination a lot of the time.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kruciall
    I think it's about time for an update =)
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    • Profile picture of the author Chasing Pace
      Originally Posted by Kruciall View Post

      I think it's about time for an update =)
      I'm not sure what kind of update you're looking for.

      Nice post mate. A good advice is to start with a niche you enjoy, i builg my first site about video games and after 2 weeks i started to make 20$ a day, working hard but still enjoying it !
      That's awesome. I've love to break into that niche, but I've heard it can be difficult. Good to hear you're rockin' it!

      Thank you for sharing your experience. It's really helpful to me. Hope you earn $400+ per day some day in the near future.
      That would definitely be life changing. I'd be content if I could reach a consistent $100/day by the end of 2012.
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      • Profile picture of the author Kruciall
        Originally Posted by Chasing Pace View Post

        I'm not sure what kind of update you're looking for.
        I apologize, I was under the impression you were going to update this thread all the way up to $100 a day, but I was wrong. Myy bad! lol
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        • Profile picture of the author Chasing Pace
          Originally Posted by Kruciall View Post

          I apologize, I was under the impression you were going to update this thread all the way up to $100 a day, but I was wrong. Myy bad! lol
          If I did that I might be updating this for quite a while

          This is my big mistake by focusing my site for search engine. In fact, SE is not our customer, human is!
          I actually think you need to tailor your sites to both. I try to incorporate my on page SEO into the user experience as much as possible.

          I am now in a situation where I NEED to earn my living online, because I am living in a foreign country and have no job opportunities offline. So I need to get my income up-to at least $1000+/mth ASAP.
          Have you considered selling off some of your lower earners so you can focus on your higher earners?

          Do you place adsense on your sites from the start? On your mini sites, how many articles do you have posted when you go live?
          Usually within a few days of launching the site I'll get my adsense up, sometimes on day 1 depending on how much time I have.

          With smaller sites I've launched with the typical about, contact, privacy pages and just 1 article. On larger sites I haven't been launching until I've got about 5 articles on the site. Though to be honest I'm not sure it matters. I can't imagine that Google has figured it into their algo to add a bonus to those who launch a site with more content than those who don't. My reasons for getting a decent amount of content up first are more for user experience than anything else.
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  • Profile picture of the author webworm
    I really got a great experience going through this article.You have really posted a important view and experience.Thanks for sharing.
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  • Profile picture of the author Majin
    Nice post mate. A good advice is to start with a niche you enjoy, i builg my first site about video games and after 2 weeks i started to make 20$ a day, working hard but still enjoying it !
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  • Profile picture of the author vincentqin
    Thank you for sharing your experience. It's really helpful to me. Hope you earn $400+ per day some day in the near future.
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  • Profile picture of the author outwest
    Whats the difference between this thread and
    all the other "follow me" threads that have been DELETED
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  • Profile picture of the author Ahmed Auf
    Hi,

    I'm building my first website I'm planning to outsource the content. I want to build a 10 page website however I'm not sure if I should make the articles 500 words or 1000 words. Will it make a difference? 1000 word articles will be very expensive and I want to save some money for seo
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    • Profile picture of the author Chasing Pace
      Originally Posted by AhmedA View Post

      Hi,

      I'm building my first website I'm planning to outsource the content. I want to build a 10 page website however I'm not sure if I should make the articles 500 words or 1000 words. Will it make a difference? 1000 word articles will be very expensive and I want to save some money for seo
      I personally wouldn't outsource anything for your first site.

      But that aside, I'd focus less on word count and more on quality and user experience. If you're dead set on word count, serpIQ did a study a few months back that showed the average number of words on the index page of sites on page 1 was around 2,500 words.
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  • Profile picture of the author cleanerupper
    Great stuff. I hope to see many more posts from you.
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  • Profile picture of the author Viramara
    As you have said....

    "I hate link building, absolutely hate it. But unfortunately it's necessary for most niches".

    Another experience I'd like to share : when I first started my website I highly paid attention to on-page SEO and few off-page. It's really keyword-stuffed ugly postings made up to reach 2-3% density. It got ranked for a while, but then dropped quickly from Google. Even when it's ranked, the site only got few visitors who don't convert.

    This is my big mistake by focusing my site for search engine. In fact, SE is not our customer, human is! I then re-purposed the website from scratch, fixing its appearances etc and postings, make it more human-friendly, and doing guest blogging, forum, etc. That's when I started to see increase and traffic getting converts to mailing list.
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  • Profile picture of the author coachbob
    quote: I pick a branded name and then work on branding that site.

    can someone explain this to me again, I am having a brain cramp? When I think of branding I think of brand name like John Deere or Ford, or Norelco....
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    • Profile picture of the author Chasing Pace
      Originally Posted by coachbob View Post

      quote: I pick a branded name and then work on branding that site.

      can someone explain this to me again, I am having a brain cramp? When I think of branding I think of brand name like John Deere or Ford, or Norelco....
      I probably should have said I CREATE a branded name and then work on branding that site. I never go after copyrighted names.

      For instance if I was writing about "gadgets" I might try to get a site like thegadgetman[dot]com, and eventually, if I did things right, people might stop going to Google for "gadgets" and they'd just go to The Gadget Man.

      In one of the recent updates you'll notice that Google is giving a lot of love to brand names. For instance, type in "nike" and you'll notice not only do they get the top spot, but they get another 6 subheadings underneath that.
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  • Profile picture of the author ryuchi
    Not everyone can come up with a technique that works within 4 months so you are really successful with this point! I am glad that you made the most out of your time. $40 per day is a solid accomplishment! Congratulations!

    Ryuchi
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  • Profile picture of the author coachbob
    Thanks CP I get it now, like I said before my brain shut down last nite. :-(
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    • Profile picture of the author gohardorgohome
      Over $1k per month in 4 months is pretty awesome, congrats!

      You mentioned guest posting. How exactly do you find guest posts to do?
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      • Profile picture of the author Chasing Pace
        Originally Posted by gohardorgohome View Post

        Over $1k per month in 4 months is pretty awesome, congrats!

        You mentioned guest posting. How exactly do you find guest posts to do?


        Unfortunately I don't do as much of this as I should. Here's my method though:


        How to Find Guest Posting Opportunities

        Type the following into Google to find guest posts.


        “submit * guest post” ~keyword

        “this is a guest post” keyword

        “* guest post” keyword

        “a guest post” keyword

        In addition, a lot of times I'll just type "keyword blogs" and look for some of the higher PR blogs.

        I would head over to the CPA forum SEO backlinking etc free traffic from google takes WAY longer to start making money than PPC and CPA


        I've yet to venture into to CPA/PPC, but my understanding is the learning curve is quite a bit steeper. Out of curiosity, have you personally been able to make money quicker with CPA/PPC?
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  • Profile picture of the author Lisa Paule
    Wow, I am blown away. Congrats on your success and thank for inspirirng me.

    I am definitely printing this . . . I have big dreams for myself for 2012 and your post is definitely inspiration on what perseverance and determination can achieve
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  • Profile picture of the author RimaNaj2011
    That's great progress for just 4 months. Great stuff man. I'll be following your blog.
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  • Profile picture of the author tylerjaysen
    dude very cool post man. Yeah there should be a WSO written on the concept of low search keywords....there probably already is...but so many think that just because google keyword tool says 100 exact searches a month is not worth it...well you just proved that it can be. The key I think is to build a lot of these types of sites that when you add them all up will equal a nice monthly income.
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    • Profile picture of the author Chasing Pace
      Originally Posted by tylerjaysen View Post

      dude very cool post man. Yeah there should be a WSO written on the concept of low search keywords....there probably already is...but so many think that just because google keyword tool says 100 exact searches a month is not worth it...well you just proved that it can be. The key I think is to build a lot of these types of sites that when you add them all up will equal a nice monthly income.
      I may have to just do that Sometimes you don't even need a lot of these types of sites. I just recently created another Amazon site that revolves around 2 primary keywords each getting only 700-800 searches a month. That site has been growing for the past couple months and is on track to break $800 this month.

      I am happy each time i see a newbie succeed and come back to share his or her experience. Making money online is not as hard as most people assume. All it requires is discipline and action.
      Me too. I'm a part of a few other communities and often times it seems like the people that aren't succeeding are the ones not taking action. Massive action = success.

      I took a slightly different approach to get to a similar income level. Instead of building multiple sites I focused on 4-5 medium to large sites with lots of contents. Some of these sites now rank for 100's of long tail keywords just due to the authority and sheer content.

      However you run the risk of loosing a big chunk of your income overnight in case any or or two of these sites get the slap from Google which recently happened to one of my top performing sites.

      Now I am focusing on micro site approach (in fact I built 50 just last month!) and going after lots of low volume keywords and exact match TLD's so I don't take a big hit even if one of the sites happen to drop for whatever reason.
      One way you can shore up those 4-5 medium sites is by creating satellite sites in the same niche, something I'm starting to look into.

      50 sites in 1 month is awesome. Be sure to check back in and let us know how it's going.
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  • Profile picture of the author johnben1444
    I am happy each time i see a newbie succeed and come back to share his or her experience. Making money online is not as hard as most people assume. All it requires is discipline and action.
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  • Profile picture of the author anshuldayal
    I took a slightly different approach to get to a similar income level. Instead of building multiple sites I focused on 4-5 medium to large sites with lots of contents. Some of these sites now rank for 100's of long tail keywords just due to the authority and sheer content.

    However you run the risk of loosing a big chunk of your income overnight in case any or or two of these sites get the slap from Google which recently happened to one of my top performing sites.

    Now I am focusing on micro site approach (in fact I built 50 just last month!) and going after lots of low volume keywords and exact match TLD's so I don't take a big hit even if one of the sites happen to drop for whatever reason.
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