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Company Says Senuke I say BMR

by GGpaul
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I work for this company that wants to expand their business through internet marketing. The company just invested into BMR (thanks to me, since I recommended it to them). However, now they're thinking about Senuke X.

What are your thoughts so far? I feel like BMR is already working its magic, but they said that Senuke could be better? What's the difference? I know Senuke is more expensive.
#bmr #company #senuke
  • Profile picture of the author UMS
    SEnuke is a tool and entirely depends on how you use it.

    You can have the most expensive hammer in the store, but it doesn't make you a builder.
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    • Profile picture of the author GGpaul
      Originally Posted by UMS View Post

      SEnuke is a tool and entirely depends on how you use it.

      You can have the most expensive hammer in the store, but it doesn't make you a builder.
      Right on. Don't you use BMR as well? I recall that you did.
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      • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
        SEnuke builds nothing but low quality backlinks. You can have that done for a lot cheaper than $147/month.

        If you are set on a tool like that though, MS does everything SEnuke does, but is half the price and has far more sites it can submit to.
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        • Profile picture of the author GGpaul
          Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

          SEnuke builds nothing but low quality backlinks. You can have that done for a lot cheaper than $147/month.

          If you are set on a tool like that though, MS does everything SEnuke does, but is half the price and has far more sites it can submit to.
          Market Samurai? Well I have that tool, and BMR. I'm going to try to talk them out of it. Regardless, it's not out of my pocket
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          • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
            I don't get it. IF BMR is working for your company why wouldn't they want more SEO networks? BMR is far from the only one. There are a number of rental networks and home page backlink providers.

            SEnuke dollar for value is one of the most overpriced low quality link tools you can use and by that I don't mean the software architecture but the links it leaves.
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            • Profile picture of the author GGpaul
              Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

              I don't get it. IF BMR is working for your company why wouldn't they want more SEO networks? BMR is far from the only one. There are a number of rental networks and home page backlink providers.

              SEnuke dollar for value is one of the most overpriced low quality link tools you can use and by that I don't mean the software architecture but the links it leaves.
              The reason is that they're listening to some "internet guru" on skype that makes 2 g's a day. Apparently they'll listen to him more than what I have to say. Since I'm like a peon to them.
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              • Profile picture of the author yukon
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                Originally Posted by GGpaul View Post

                The reason is that they're listening to some "internet guru" on skype that makes 2 g's a day. Apparently they'll listen to him more than what I have to say. Since I'm like a peon to them.
                Rank a single keyword for them with BMR & anything else your already running. Prove what your already doing works.

                If they still are hung up on some "internet guru" after you prove what already works, I would tell them If they buy Senuke they'll need to have their "internet guru" use it.

                You said this is a non-profit, are you getting paid or are you donating your time?
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                • Profile picture of the author GGpaul
                  Originally Posted by yukon View Post

                  Rank a single keyword for them with BMR & anything else your already running. Prove what your already doing works.

                  If they still are hung up on some "internet guru" after you prove what already works, I would tell them If they buy Senuke they'll need to have their "internet guru" use it.

                  You said this is a non-profit, are you getting paid or are you donating your time?
                  Okay so long story short. The CEO runs a construction, graphic design and security business.

                  Two of the sites that we're trying to market are listed on my sig (fivestar, ib studios). I get COMMISSION on anyone that gives a call from the internet and asks for home designs/construction. I believe this is extremely hard to do with SEO and it would be better if we did adwords/fb ads PPC.

                  Anyways, we also do small projects here and there, and that's where I'm getting small paychecks. The MAIN reason why I work for them is the fact that they gave me the keys to the office. Therefore I have my own office on the weekends =)! So on the weekends I devote all my site to MY websites. It's hard working at home for me that is. In addition to that, the fact that I'm helping them, they cover for these programs such as BMR, buying a website, and Market Samurai.

                  We used to use thebestspinner and unique article wizard; while utilizing web 2.0 link wheel strategy. We didn't get results and that's where I convinced the CEO to use BMR, and that's where our keywords started ranking. But now, the SEO (I guess he's prideful) has been talking to another SEO GURU through skype (the guy who I mentioned earlier, and he's not part of our company), suggested a "better" program in his eyes. And so OUR SEO guy (there's 2 of us that does internet marketing. I'm the newest member) agrees with the SEO guru. Does that make sense? Obviously the other guy would gain more credibility because I'm just a "n00b".

                  Anyways back to the topic - I guess I'll continue to do research and prepare a long thorough speech why a), b) and c) works. And why x, y, z doesn't.

                  Thanks for the tip guys.
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          • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
            Originally Posted by GGpaul View Post

            Market Samurai? Well I have that tool, and BMR. I'm going to try to talk them out of it. Regardless, it's not out of my pocket
            Sorry, I meant Magic Submitter. Too tired. Didn't even realize I was abbreviating it.
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            • Profile picture of the author JamieSEO
              Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

              Sorry, I meant Magic Submitter. Too tired. Didn't even realize I was abbreviating it.
              Another vote for Magic Submitter from me.

              Magic Submitter is highly customizable, and to get the best results you want to customize the heck out of it

              Half the price of SENukeX and one heck of alot more effective.


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              Use of both SENukeX and Magic Submitter
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        • Profile picture of the author saxenar
          Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

          SEnuke builds nothing but low quality backlinks. You can have that done for a lot cheaper than $147/month.

          If you are set on a tool like that though, MS does everything SEnuke does, but is half the price and has far more sites it can submit to.
          Dear Mike, You always on the side of MS & against to SEnukeX. Both the tools are doing same work. Who says SEnukeX is costly? I think it is cheap than other similar products. In $147 we can run it on 3 computer, means 1 Senuke @ $49 Only. While MS is $67.
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      • Profile picture of the author UMS
        Originally Posted by GGpaul View Post

        Right on. Don't you use BMR as well? I recall that you did.
        Yes, I use BMR, ALN, Article Ranks and High Society PR for blog networks.
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  • Profile picture of the author TBInternetMarketing
    Originally Posted by GGpaul View Post

    I work for this company that wants to expand their business through internet marketing. The company just invested into BMR (thanks to me, since I recommended it to them). However, now they're thinking about Senuke X.

    What are your thoughts so far? I feel like BMR is already working its magic, but they said that Senuke could be better? What's the difference? I know Senuke is more expensive.
    Why not use both if your company is willing to get both?
    The more variety you can get the better.
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  • Profile picture of the author Brendan Mace
    If your company does decide to buy Senukex, I highly recommend that you build backlinks in tiers. Magic Submitter and Seo Link Robot are two cheaper alternatives that I actually prefer.

    As mentioned earlier, Senukex creates very low quality backlinks. If you do a bunch of low quality backlinks in mass scale, it can potentially harm your website more than help it.

    BUT.... Senukex CAN create decent quality backlinks if it's used in a pyramid scheme of backlinks. In other words, If you submit a relatively small amount of backlinks at your money site and then send THOUSANDS of backlinks to the first tier of links, you can generate some pretty good link juice. Plus, this won't harm your money site. This strategy is what's often referred to as buffer sites, or pyramid linking.
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    • Profile picture of the author GGpaul
      Originally Posted by co2 View Post

      If your company does decide to buy Senukex, I highly recommend that you build backlinks in tiers. Magic Submitter and Seo Link Robot are two cheaper alternatives that I actually prefer.

      As mentioned earlier, Senukex creates very low quality backlinks. If you do a bunch of low quality backlinks in mass scale, it can potentially harm your website more than help it.

      BUT.... Senukex CAN create decent quality backlinks if it's used in a pyramid scheme of backlinks. In other words, If you submit a relatively small amount of backlinks at your money site and then send THOUSANDS of backlinks to the first tier of links, you can generate some pretty good link juice. Plus, this won't harm your money site. This strategy is what's often referred to as buffer sites, or pyramid linking.
      Pyramid linking...


      Where I have an article posted on a squidoo/tumblr with an anchor text to the main page? But I'm putting all the backlinks to the squidoo/tumblr?
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      • Profile picture of the author Brendan Mace
        Originally Posted by GGpaul View Post

        Pyramid linking...


        Where I have an article posted on a squidoo/tumblr with an anchor text to the main page? But I'm putting all the backlinks to the squidoo/tumblr?
        Exactly

        Except now you can automate a couple dozen web 2.0 properties like Squidoo, and then automate thousands of backlinks to those properties.

        SIDENOTE- I would much rather have a subscription to BMR than Senukex. I'm only suggesting the best way to use Senukex if you were forced to use it.
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  • Profile picture of the author GGpaul
    Company would drop BMR for SEnuke though. They don't want to spend too much since they're saving the funds to open a non-profit for foster children and victims of human trafficking.
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  • Profile picture of the author Greenchee
    Do we really need so many back links?
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  • Profile picture of the author GGpaul
    I'm enjoying BMR, hopefully I can talk them out of it tomorrow morning. Although I do want to implement another backlink strategy and not depend everything on BMR. I just don't know where to start.

    In the meantime, all I'm doing is queuing up tons and tons of posts for BMR. I understand that SEnukex would be great to diversify; although that would be a little too much for the company. I did look into Scrapebox, and I'm 50/50 on that one. I'm also looking into highprsociety, onehourbacklinks in addition to BMR, as opposed to getting Senuke and paying a large fee.
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    • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
      They could subscribe to Magic Submitter and BMR together and it would still cost less than SEnuke X by itself.
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      • Profile picture of the author dennis09
        Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

        They could subscribe to Magic Submitter and BMR together and it would still cost less than SEnuke X by itself.
        This! This is the exact setup i use. I don't know why people sleep on Magic Submitter but it actually does MORE than SeNuke and is CHEEPER. Go figure that one out :confused: And like you just said, you can use BOTH and STILL save money off SeNuke.
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        • Profile picture of the author GGpaul
          Originally Posted by dennis09 View Post

          This! This is the exact setup i use. I don't know why people sleep on Magic Submitter but it actually does MORE than SeNuke and is CHEEPER. Go figure that one out :confused: And like you just said, you can use BOTH and STILL save money off SeNuke.
          I'm trying to find something that can implement social media like google+, FB, twitter, digg/reddit/stumbleupon. I don't know if Fiverr gigs would do the trick.
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          • Profile picture of the author dennis09
            Originally Posted by GGpaul View Post

            I'm trying to find something that can implement social media like google+, FB, twitter, digg/reddit/stumbleupon. I don't know if Fiverr gigs would do the trick.
            Magic Submitter can do all of that for ya mate

            Just about any site can be programmed into magic submitter:

            You can have it create email accounts
            Signup to your custom sites
            Check email and activate the accounts
            Login and setup the profile (i.e. upload a profile photo and fill out bio so the account looks "normal")
            Upload your content (Articles, Video, or whatever)
            And even automatically build 2nd and 3rd tier backlinks to your backlinks.

            And did i mention they have a 30 day trial available?

            p.s. Don't be afraid of the word "programmed", the designer is SUPER easy, quick, and its all point and click. I was hesitant to use it early on because it programming in general just sounded so complicated. Now im kicking myself for it.
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  • Profile picture of the author Bambu
    It is always best to diversify. So I would explore using other link building methods, such as high PR homepage/blog rolls backlinks, other blog networks, social bookmarks, article directory submissions, Web 2.0, etc.

    I wouldn't pony up the subscription cost for SenukeX. You can easily find good service providers to run SenukeX jobs for you on an as needed basis.

    Skip HighPRSociety, One Hour Backlinks, and the like (DFB, Dripable, etc). There are much much cheaper sources for these types of backlinks.

    You should really outsource as much of your backlinking as possible. It is cheap and will save you time in the long run. This shouldn't be an issue if your company is shelling out the bucks for your SEO guru (I honestly wouldn't be paying for his advice if he suggested you invest in SenukeX as your second SEO investment). You can find some really good service providers if you look around.

    Use the money that you would spend on a monthly SenukeX subscription and buy yourself a GOOD high PR homepage backlink subscription or permanent high PR home page backlinks. If you go this route, do your homework first. There are lots of unscrupulous network owners out there using crappy fake PR websites.
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  • Profile picture of the author ShaneMcc
    i wouldnt use senuke at all, over priced and over hyped. BMR however is I think quite useful. Use the money you save in senuke for other similar networks
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  • Profile picture of the author AleinaKoch
    One way or another .. Nothing compares the manual backlinking methods. But I do prefer SENuke X
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  • Profile picture of the author vickss
    Senuke and BMR all are link building tools, both are very essential for link diversity. But both have same types of link building strategy. But i prefer senuke over bmr.
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  • Profile picture of the author RayW
    I've heard most of BMR's blogs get deindexed from Google after a while. Is this true?
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  • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
    Originally Posted by GGpaul View Post

    I work for this company that wants to expand their business through internet marketing. The company just invested into BMR (thanks to me, since I recommended it to them). However, now they're thinking about Senuke X.

    What are your thoughts so far? I feel like BMR is already working its magic, but they said that Senuke could be better? What's the difference? I know Senuke is more expensive.
    In my opinion, NOTHING beats a good blog network like ALN or BMR, and Senuke only makes sense in conjunction with such other links. I do not think that web2.0 and bookmarking TODAY *alone* would get you anywhere far.

    No authority- and good site gets links ONLY from web2.0 sites...think people! Link diversity <--- !!
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  • Profile picture of the author IMdude123
    get ultimate demon instead of senuke, its cheaper and has a lot more potential.
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    SEnuke imo
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      • Profile picture of the author GGpaul
        Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

        You should tell your "employee" that you guys tried the web2.0 linkwheel and that you failed at that, so why would a software that automates exactly that what you tried already, succeed all of a sudden. That is just flawed thinking and your employee is just plain stupid if he can't figure that out himself. That he still runs a business is a mircale.
        Well the CEO has nothing to do with it. He doesn't know how to work SEO, he just has an idea. He focuses on building houses, making designs. He just administrates everything and puts his trust in the two SEO guys me and the other one (who has more authority).
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  • Profile picture of the author mrclean78
    As mentioned above the best way to get powerful links with Senuke is to TIER them with another program. I usually do a senuke blast, then output the URL's into something like scrapebox with a 1 million linklist and blast away. This gives me some nice and juicy backlinks.
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  • Profile picture of the author pwtmike
    Originally Posted by GGpaul View Post

    I work for this company that wants to expand their business through internet marketing. The company just invested into BMR (thanks to me, since I recommended it to them). However, now they're thinking about Senuke X.

    What are your thoughts so far? I feel like BMR is already working its magic, but they said that Senuke could be better? What's the difference? I know Senuke is more expensive.

    To use senuke it is complicated, confusing, and comes with a learning curve... but if you know what you are doing, or if you have 6-8 months experience with working with it, then it becomes a much more effective tool. Senuke has several effective capabilities, if used correctly.

    It also depends on how competitive the keywords are which you are trying to rank...
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    • Profile picture of the author GGpaul
      Originally Posted by pwtmike View Post

      To use senuke it is complicated, confusing, and comes with a learning curve... but if you know what you are doing, or if you have 6-8 months experience with working with it, then it becomes a much more effective tool. Senuke has several effective capabilities, if used correctly.

      It also depends on how competitive the keywords are which you are trying to rank...
      Wouldn't Scrapebox do the same thing as Senuke?
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      • Profile picture of the author Rukshan
        Originally Posted by GGpaul View Post

        Wouldn't Scrapebox do the same thing as Senuke?
        No! If you don't like senukex, try magic submitter, sick submitter or SEO Link robot. But i still use senukex. Because it provides a good link wheel for me. You need to test some link wheels to find the best performing one. Don't depend on wizard.
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  • Profile picture of the author pwtmike
    Not exactly. They are two completely different programs and they both have completely different functions. The use cases for sb are myriad, aside from building links as blog comments.
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    • Profile picture of the author GGpaul
      Originally Posted by pwtmike View Post

      Not exactly. They are two completely different programs and they both have completely different functions. The use cases for sb are myriad, aside from building links as blog comments.
      The monthly budget is about $110 for STRICTLY SEO.

      So we have BMR which is $79. Outsourcing? No, we have interns that do that (including me).

      Now I'm thinking what else can we invest for $30 more. Time to look through the WSO's :p.
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      • Profile picture of the author Bambu
        I wouldn't spend a dime in the WSO area (especially given your budget). All of information and services provided there you can get for cheaper or free (info) elsewhere.

        Since your budget is so tight, you should begin by doing a thorough analysis of the keywords you are targeting. If they are too difficult to rank, you may be spinning your wheels.

        Difficult keywords require time and money to rank. You already mentioned your budget and I have a feeling your boss expects results ASAP. $110/month doesn't go very far when you are trying to rank moderate to competitive keywords.

        Originally Posted by GGpaul View Post

        The monthly budget is about $110 for STRICTLY SEO.

        So we have BMR which is $79. Outsourcing? No, we have interns that do that (including me).

        Now I'm thinking what else can we invest for $30 more. Time to look through the WSO's :p.
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        • Profile picture of the author GGpaul
          Originally Posted by Bambu View Post

          I wouldn't spend a dime in the WSO area (especially given your budget). All of information and services provided there you can get for cheaper or free (info) elsewhere.

          Since your budget is so tight, you should begin by doing a thorough analysis of the keywords you are targeting. If they are too difficult to rank, you may be spinning your wheels.

          Difficult keywords require time and money to rank. You already mentioned your budget and I have a feeling your boss expects results ASAP. $110/month doesn't go very far when you are trying to rank moderate to competitive keywords.
          The other SEO guy uses keyword research through MS. Mainly he goes through the whole list when it comes to SEO competition (onpage, PR, bl distribution, etc.)

          For those that use MS, do you use the keyword research tool and only go for keywords at 50,000 SEOC? (misspelled, don't have MS at home).
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          • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
            Originally Posted by GGpaul View Post


            For those that use MS, do you use the keyword research tool and only go for keywords at 50,000 SEOC? (misspelled, don't have MS at home).
            If anyone doing SEO is looking at SEOC as a factor for selecting keywords, they should fire themselves immediately. It is a completely useless metric. Don't let those stupid videos the guys behind Market Samurai put out there fool you. SEOC means absolutely nothing when looking at the competition level of a keyword.

            Second, for an offline business, you shouldn't be picking just easy to rank for keywords. You should be selecting any keyword that could bring them customers, no matter the competition level. Internet Marketers are the ones that try to find easy to rank for keywords. That is not what you do for a real business. If there is search volume for a keyword that relates to their business and could bring them customers, they should be trying to rank for the keyword.
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  • Profile picture of the author shuttercraft
    I am a HUGE advocate of SEnuke X.

    SENuke X is an automated link building software that will create backlinks automatically by submitting articles to article directories, submitting press releases, creating social bookmarks, uploading videos to video-sharing sites, creating forum and web 2.0 profiles and allowing you to ping and submit the RSS feeds of all the submission you make.

    I have used this amazing tool to rank sites for some very competitive keywords. Anyone saying it is worthless needs to stop by the SENuke X forums and read all the member success stories. I stand by this software 100%!!!
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    • Profile picture of the author dennis09
      Originally Posted by shuttercraft View Post

      I am a HUGE advocate of SEnuke X.

      SENuke X is an automated link building software that will create backlinks automatically by submitting articles to article directories, submitting press releases, creating social bookmarks, uploading videos to video-sharing sites, creating forum and web 2.0 profiles and allowing you to ping and submit the RSS feeds of all the submission you make.

      I have used this amazing tool to rank sites for some very competitive keywords. Anyone saying it is worthless needs to stop by the SENuke X forums and read all the member success stories. I stand by this software 100%!!!
      Don't get me wrong, i "like" SeNuke as well, in a sense that it does what its supposed to do. But MS does ALL of that and a LOT more, and is a LOT cheaper... :confused:
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  • Profile picture of the author saxenar
    Originally Posted by GGpaul View Post

    I work for this company that wants to expand their business through internet marketing. The company just invested into BMR (thanks to me, since I recommended it to them). However, now they're thinking about Senuke X.

    What are your thoughts so far? I feel like BMR is already working its magic, but they said that Senuke could be better? What's the difference? I know Senuke is more expensive.
    BMR is doing only Articles while SenukeX doing variety of backlinks with link pyramid, so SenukeX is better all the way. You can run it on 3 different computers. I suggest do linking of inner webpages of your company's website with long tail keyword as you can add cities names with your company work. You will see rocket up ranking + flood of traffic within days. As it's license comes for 3 computer, You can also do some extra work of other websites and can do some extra income of your/your company.
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      Senuke x better than bmr
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    • Profile picture of the author lovboa
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      Originally Posted by saxenar View Post

      You can run it on 3 different computers.
      3....different ......computers???
      Well that changes everything.

      Think about it, people. 3 Different Computers! That means that if you have 3 computers, you can use it on all 3 of them!! And if you only have 2 computers, you can have the option to put it on another computer if you wanted to!

      End of thread. We have a winner.
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  • Profile picture of the author swpower
    Originally Posted by GGpaul View Post

    I work for this company that wants to expand their business through internet marketing. The company just invested into BMR (thanks to me, since I recommended it to them). However, now they're thinking about Senuke X.

    What are your thoughts so far? I feel like BMR is already working its magic, but they said that Senuke could be better? What's the difference? I know Senuke is more expensive.

    SE Nuke X is a totally overpriced, quite worthless piece of software that does close to no good since it creates low quality spam links - IF any links at all. I have seen "links" that didn't have anything else but the anchor text (no href )

    Not only that, a lot of people on oDesk and Fiverr seem to use SE Nuke X to spam the web and although it seem nice to work with, any tool requires some skills, and any person can't do good SEO just because they have a tool (good or bad) to do much of the work for them.
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  • Profile picture of the author boosters
    At one moment on future company say BMR you say XRUMER
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  • Profile picture of the author rjd1265
    Originally Posted by GGpaul View Post

    I work for this company that wants to expand their business through internet marketing. The company just invested into BMR (thanks to me, since I recommended it to them). However, now they're thinking about Senuke X.

    What are your thoughts so far? I feel like BMR is already working its magic, but they said that Senuke could be better? What's the difference? I know Senuke is more expensive.
    How is your company liking you now that BMR shut the doors and every site who has a BMR link will be penalized.

    Have fun at the unemployment line! Serious though, I hope you don't get fired, you had no way of knowing...but for some reason the rest of us did.
    Shame on your company for not doing their due diligence on this first!
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    • Profile picture of the author GGpaul
      Originally Posted by rjd1265 View Post

      How is your company liking you now that BMR shut the doors and every site who has a BMR link will be penalized.

      Have fun at the unemployment line! Serious though, I hope you don’t get fired, you had no way of knowing...but for some reason the rest of us did.
      Shame on your company for not doing their due diligence on this first!
      How do they like me? They love me because I have part ownership of the company. Have fun at the unemployment line? WTF is your problem? And speaking of which, this post was made quite some time before people started complaining about BMR.

      Shame on my company? They're too caught up doing big projects (contractors, builders, engineers) and from the last time I remembered, my company just got offered to work on one of the biggest projects in Samoa. A $400 mill project. I'm more than thankful for that. Do you possibly think that they had the time and energy to research on BMR as opposed to working on one of the biggest projects they've ever done? And as I mentioned prior, I don't know why this post is back alive again. BMR was working at the time being. It's gone now.

      We had a quick meeting today about BMR and we wiped it off our shoulders. No big deal. We move on, and on to the next one. Shame on you for posting something to offend me and the company I work for.
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    • Profile picture of the author Bambu
      What is the point of goading other members of this forum:confused: Dude, you need to get a life. Now crawl back into whatever hole you slithered out from.

      Originally Posted by rjd1265 View Post

      How is your company liking you now that BMR shut the doors and every site who has a BMR link will be penalized.

      Have fun at the unemployment line! Serious though, I hope you don't get fired, you had no way of knowing...but for some reason the rest of us did.
      Shame on your company for not doing their due diligence on this first!
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