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Blog Network Completely De-Indexed

by mark@1to101
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Yesterday my network of 165 blogs was nearly completely de-indexed by Google. I'm not complaining about this as, hands up, I was posting spun content and selling links. The point of this post is rather to let others know how I think they uncovered my whole network.

I was posting spun (paragraphs spins to 60% uniqueness and 20 spun titles) articles to a random selection of 40-75 of the blogs in the network. That spun content was the only thing linking the blogs together.

None of them had Webmaster Tools, Adsense, etc. installed. None of them were linked to each other. Nearly all of them were hosted on different IP addresses. The only 2 sites not to get de-indexed were 2 that had been hacked a few days earlier and so the content on those couldn't be found via a Google search.

My guess is that someone from Google found one of my sites and then manually or used a tool to Google search for sentences from various articles on that blog to find other blogs and then repeated the process.

I had a good run out of it (18 months at least) and made some alright money, but anyone not posting completely unique content on their blog networks should consider doing otherwise
#blog #completely #deindexed #network
  • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
    Thing about it is that you may have exposed yourself for no good reason. One of the questions I get constantly in teaching people how to build networks is how many times a week should I update my content. They actually are hesitant to believe me at first when I say that for a network it just isn't that necessary to update weekly. Honestly not even monthly. Shucks I have sites I haven't changed since August of last year and my clients are still ranked.

    the resistance to this FACT is that people don't make the shift in their minds between ranking a site for content and using it as a SEO network tool. Who cares that my SEO sites are not updated? I am not trying to rank them. The juice is the main factor. Having to constantly update content is a myth for a network
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    • Profile picture of the author nik0
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      I have some money sites that I haven't updated over a year, I only build some links now and then to maintain the rankings. I think it's the biggest seo myth that websites need fresh content all the time. One of my sites has only 2 pages, the index.html and the privacy policy and it's ranking better then ever.

      Back on topic: Maybe 1 of your customers have reported you.
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      • Profile picture of the author mark@1to101
        The regular publishing of content was also partly to be able to target more keywords for clients. I was building links to 75+ sites and people often wanted to target new keywords. I know static pages work well, but they do limit how many keywords you can target.

        As for a client reporting the network, that is a possibility. I work with SEO companies and they deal with the owners of the sites, so it's possible that one of the end clients found a new SEO firm and that new firm checked over the link reports of the previous SEO firm (i.e. the one I have been dealing with) and reported the network.

        I put the same spun content into UAW, AMA, AR, etc. too though, and those sites and links still seem to be indexed. So, it's something of a mystery (to me anyway) why only my sites got hit.
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        • Profile picture of the author nik0
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          Originally Posted by mark@1to101 View Post

          As for a client reporting the network, that is a possibility. I work with SEO companies and they deal with the owners of the sites, so it's possible that one of the end clients found a new SEO firm and that new firm checked over the link reports of the previous SEO firm (i.e. the one I have been dealing with) and reported the network.
          It could be a client indeed but not in the way like you describe it, cause a new seo firm would only make their own work to rank the clients site harder cause it would miss a ton of links from your network and rankings might drop. So new seo firm starts to report and work on client site, and clients site drops in rankings great first impression lol.

          Anyway it sucks hard to get your whole network deindexed. Who knows Google was one of your clients. (No idea how far they go in busting private networks). Especially for small networks it would be an easy way for them, for the larger networks it would be sobbing with the water open.
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          • Profile picture of the author mark@1to101
            Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

            It could be a client indeed but not in the way like you describe it, cause a new seo firm would only make their own work to rank the clients site harder cause it would miss a ton of links from your network and rankings might drop. So new seo firm starts to report and work on client site, and clients site drops in rankings great first impression lol.
            Yes, it would indeed be strange. Maybe a new firm would want to "clean up" the link profile. The sites in the network looked alright though and the spun content read completely find.

            Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

            Anyway it sucks hard to get your whole network deindexed. Who knows Google was one of your clients. (No idea how far they go in busting private networks). Especially for small networks it would be an easy way for them, for the larger networks it would be sobbing with the water open.
            What I find strange is that the most well known blog networks all have the same content footprint and yet have been going strong for 2+ years. If I was Google I would start off with the big networks and that would scare off others from getting into the same practices.
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            • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
              Originally Posted by mark@1to101 View Post

              What I find strange is that the most well known blog networks all have the same content footprint and yet have been going strong for 2+ years. If I was Google I would start off with the big networks and that would scare off others from getting into the same practices.
              Well you are missing that the big networks DO in fact lose domains to deindexing all the time. they are just making enough to buy more. Plus I think with 165 sites in your network and 75 sites with multiple keywords for each (have to know when to say no) the biggest footprint and the easiest way to uncover an entire network is to follow the links. Go to about ten or less of your sites and I could probably unravel your whole network myself.


              IF you ever jump back in think high end. I am convinced this is the answer. I open my network up only to higher paying customers. this does two things.

              A) I have way less links per page
              B) I weed out the low quality customer sites

              A real business is willing to pay A few hundred a month for results but its rare that a guy trying to rank for some obvious commercial affiliate link clickbank product is going to approach me for that price. Sometimes its the keyword links themselves that give you away.
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        • Profile picture of the author massivemarketing
          Originally Posted by mark@1to101 View Post

          The regular publishing of content was also partly to be able to target more keywords for clients. I was building links to 75+ sites and people often wanted to target new keywords. I know static pages work well, but they do limit how many keywords you can target.

          As for a client reporting the network, that is a possibility. I work with SEO companies and they deal with the owners of the sites, so it's possible that one of the end clients found a new SEO firm and that new firm checked over the link reports of the previous SEO firm (i.e. the one I have been dealing with) and reported the network.

          I put the same spun content into UAW, AMA, AR, etc. too though, and those sites and links still seem to be indexed. So, it's something of a mystery (to me anyway) why only my sites got hit.
          Sorry to hear about your network. A lot of HPBL networks have taken a huge whack. More than ever before so the trend does not look good... The only networks that survived are ones that look like real blogs. Quick question, have you noticed penalties on yours/clients sites?
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          • Profile picture of the author mark@1to101
            Originally Posted by massivemarketing View Post

            Quick question, have you noticed penalties on yours/clients sites?
            I haven't noticed anything myself or heard anything from them. I'll let you know if something happens though.
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          • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
            Originally Posted by massivemarketing View Post

            Sorry to hear about your network. A lot of HPBL networks have taken a huge whack. More than ever before so the trend does not look good..
            For public networks yes. I always wonder when Google is just going to set a few employee down in a couple of cubicles at a Google center and do away with the huge high profile networks. Its RIDICULOUSLY easy. Remember unlike us they can see every backlink they have crawled and can have killer backlink checking tools even better than what Yahoo used to provide. All they need to do is find a few of the websites and check the backlinks across several sites.

            Taking on clients like that is russian roulette. Anyone of them can rank in a serp that gets reported and bam!

            The answer is simple. take on WAAAAY less customers but the part that Imers won't want to hear is that with that the price must increase per user.

            Mind you networks have been around and WILL be around for a long time to come. Many Seo companies use them for their clients but the setup is much more private, much less links, much better run with good content and like you suggested look just like regular blogs.
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            • Profile picture of the author mark@1to101
              Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

              I always wonder when Google is just going to set a few employee down in a couple of cubicles at a Google center and do away with the huge high profile networks. Its RIDICULOUSLY easy. Remember unlike us they can see every backlink they have crawled and can have killer backlink checking tools even better than what Yahoo used to provide. All they need to do is find a few of the websites and check the backlinks across several sites.
              One employee alone could wipe out huge chunks of all of the public networks in just a day I think.
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      • Profile picture of the author kirakirafuwafuwa
        Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

        I have some money sites that I haven't updated over a year, I only build some links now and then to maintain the rankings. I think it's the biggest seo myth that websites need fresh content all the time. One of my sites has only 2 pages, the index.html and the privacy policy and it's ranking better then ever.

        Back on topic: Maybe 1 of your customers have reported you.
        What money sites would that be?
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        • Profile picture of the author GrowTraffic
          Good to see you being so calm about it - like you say it's the risk you run if you try to game the system.
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    • Profile picture of the author paulgl
      Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

      the resistance to this FACT is that people don't make the shift in their minds between ranking a site for content and using it as a SEO network tool. Who cares that my SEO sites are not updated? I am not trying to rank them. The juice is the main factor. Having to constantly update content is a myth for a network
      I'd call that the post and tip of the week.

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      • Profile picture of the author 4morereferrals
        Originally Posted by paulgl View Post

        I'd call that the post and tip of the week.

        Paul
        The dude was selling links / posts to clients - not just building these for his own personal use / serps.

        so keeping the content "static" isnt a viable solution.
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  • Profile picture of the author thebitbotdotcom
    Very interesting thread mark@1to101.

    I appreciate you opening up like this.

    You are keeping your cool very well over this whole ordeal.

    Sorry that happened bro.
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    • Profile picture of the author mark@1to101
      Originally Posted by thebitbotdotcom View Post

      You are keeping your cool very well over this whole ordeal.
      Well, there's no-one to blame but myself We all know what Google's rules are and so if we break them then why blame Google?

      I've already bought another 50 domains for a relaunch. No content footprints this time around!
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  • Profile picture of the author ShaneMcc
    seeing this happen to a small private network, I wonder how long before networks like BMR get busted
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    • Profile picture of the author Andrew S
      Originally Posted by ShaneMcc View Post

      seeing this happen to a small private network, I wonder how long before networks like BMR get busted
      BMR and similar networks only submit a single unique article to a single blog

      unless they messed up somewhere else, the chances would be very very low
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      • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
        Originally Posted by Andrew S View Post

        BMR and similar networks only submit a single unique article to a single blog

        unless they messed up somewhere else, the chances would be very very low
        BMR like many big public networks has been busted several times already so the chances are not low. The thing about size is that once you get that big no one is going to sit down and find all your sites. So in their case they HAVE lost sites to deindexing but they continue to have plenty more and a client base that allows them to keep buying to replace what has been hit.
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  • Profile picture of the author Tom L
    I've seen some of my test sites take a huge hit. I had one which I was using as a gauge for BMR which I started around a year ago. It had a few hundred BMR links, was on the 1st page and didn't have any other links going to it nor was it backlinked since last summer.

    It danced a bit on the 1st page for that entire time but nothing really major.

    Less than a week ago the site went from 1st page to position 200+ and then I received the e-mail from BMR saying that they are closing memberships for a while.

    This means that if your money site was on that network and helped you rank... not only would you have lost all of your income but also the money that you paid in to the network.

    Regards,

    TomL
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  • Profile picture of the author martworld
    You must have done one mistake- reports to your clients. don't even provide reports else get ready for another shot.
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    • Profile picture of the author mark@1to101
      Originally Posted by martworld View Post

      You must have done one mistake- reports to your clients. don't even provide reports else get ready for another shot.
      Providing reports could be an issue. A lot of people ask for reports though.
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      • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
        Originally Posted by mark@1to101 View Post

        Providing reports could be an issue. A lot of people ask for reports though.
        Thats why I only offer network links as part of my SEO ranking services, That way they can ask for reports on where they rank not on how they are ranked.The last time I offered links by themselves the guy hit number one in no time but then started to whine like a baby because he didn't see one link. NO offense to anyone in this thread like that but link counters make the worse customers. Alot of them don't end up making any money so the churn rate is high,They don't understand issues in regard to quality, OBL or content - they just want a number,They swear they understand SEO when they don't have the first clue how one link package with 20 links can blow away another link package of 20,000 forum profile links. They can't conceive that a quality of 20 of anything can beat 20.000 quantity of any kind of scuzzy link.

        So......(mini rant over....almost)

        My suggestion to you is cut them loose for your new service and network because they also have the tendency to have thin sites and go after affiliate keywords that pretty much scream to Google that your page is a network and since they tend to think $67 is a "whole lot" of money you will find yourself having to again take on so many customers that you will be right back to getting sites deindexed. Because at the end of the day the writing is on the wall. Its just too easy for Google to take out these networks and Today it could be BMR , tomorrow it can be any of the others. If its too public it will eventually get dinged.
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  • Profile picture of the author ysb888
    Hi mark@1to101 !

    I am sorry to hear that, I have one question about your networks, what software you use to post article to those blog in the network??
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    • Profile picture of the author mark@1to101
      Originally Posted by ysb888 View Post

      I am sorry to hear that, I have one question about your networks, what software you use to post article to those blog in the network??
      I use BlogBot to post articles to sites in the network.
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  • Profile picture of the author MaverickUK
    Indeed Mike, that's what pisses me off with people spamming BMR related drivel all over this forum - make it anymore public and even the Queen of England will know about the services offered by BMR. Ah well, let the noobs ruin another businesses, it's not like they give a flying fudge.
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    • Profile picture of the author lukedidit
      Originally Posted by MaverickUK View Post

      Indeed Mike, that's what pisses me off with people spamming BMR related drivel all over this forum - make it anymore public and even the Queen of England will know about the services offered by BMR. Ah well, let the noobs ruin another businesses, it's not like they give a flying fudge.
      I really would not worry about Google learning about BMR though reading this forum. Unless your worried about to many people using the service, which is also a misnomer as they have closed membership now.

      mark@1to101 - really interesting thread. I am fascinated by how these networks are constructed, thanks being open and transparent about this. You certainly taking it like a sport too.
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  • Profile picture of the author NetEmpire
    Over the next 30 days or so, tens of thousands of sites will be deindex'd as Google is cracking down. If you think they don't have employees purchasing backlinks and then reverse engineering where the links are, or with networks like HighPRSociety, just looking at the list provided, and then knowing exactly which domains to deindex, well then I just don't know what to tell you.
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    • Profile picture of the author MaverickUK
      Originally Posted by NetEmpire View Post

      Over the next 30 days or so, tens of thousands of sites will be deindex'd as Google is cracking down. If you think they don't have employees purchasing backlinks and then reverse engineering where the links are, or with networks like HighPRSociety, just looking at the list provided, and then knowing exactly which domains to deindex, well then I just don't know what to tell you.
      You seriously think they do that? Really? They have an algorithm for a reason, to help detect these sorts of things. Why would they spend tens or even hundreds of thousands of dollars on human resources when they can just attempt to align their algorithm to detect these sorts of websites.
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      • Profile picture of the author NetEmpire
        Originally Posted by MaverickUK View Post

        You seriously think they do that? Really? They have an algorithm for a reason, to help detect these sorts of things. Why would they spend tens or even hundreds of thousands of dollars on human resources when they can just attempt to align their algorithm to detect these sorts of websites.
        The algorithm is only as good as what is fed into them to create them. If you do not think they have employees on this forum, you'd be greatly mistaken.

        Just in California they have over 34,000 employees.

        And they have a division code named "smack down"... that I have been told is dedicated to buying products and services that promise 'first page rankings"...

        It makes sense to me, otherwise they'd be pretty stupid.

        And considering they place employees to work for competitors for the sole purpose of identifying and then wooing the best workers to Google, they'd do anything to protect the Goose that lays the golden eggs.

        And for Google, their Goose that lays the golden eggs is all about stopping any page or domain from locking up top positions. It is why they change the rules all the time.
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        • Profile picture of the author MaverickUK
          Originally Posted by NetEmpire View Post

          The algorithm is only as good as what is fed into them to create them. If you do not think they have employees on this forum, you'd be greatly mistaken.

          Just in California they have over 34,000 employees.

          And they have a division code named "smack down"... that I have been told is dedicated to buying products and services that promise 'first page rankings"...

          It makes sense to me, otherwise they'd be pretty stupid.

          And considering they place employees to work for competitors for the sole purpose of identifying and then wooing the best workers to Google, they'd do anything to protect the Goose that lays the golden eggs.

          And for Google, their Goose that lays the golden eggs is all about stopping any page or domain from locking up top positions. It is why they change the rules all the time.
          Of course they could have employee's on this forum, but i'm sure that most of the information they collect goes in to improving their algorithm and not hunting sites to penalise or networks to de-index.
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    • Profile picture of the author Cool Hand Luke
      Originally Posted by NetEmpire View Post

      Over the next 30 days or so, tens of thousands of sites will be deindex'd as Google is cracking down. If you think they don't have employees purchasing backlinks and then reverse engineering where the links are, or with networks like HighPRSociety, just looking at the list provided, and then knowing exactly which domains to deindex, well then I just don't know what to tell you.
      :rolleyes:

      Do you have a source for this info? A link? Any info at all? No, I didn't think so. You'll have to excuse me as I ignore you completely and continue to make money. Thanks.
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      • Profile picture of the author NetEmpire
        Originally Posted by Cool Hand Luke View Post

        :rolleyes:

        Do you have a source for this info? A link? Any info at all? No, I didn't think so. You'll have to excuse me as I ignore you completely and continue to make money. Thanks.
        Ah... have you ever heard of a guy named Amit Singhal?

        LOL

        :rolleyes:
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        • Profile picture of the author Cool Hand Luke
          Originally Posted by NetEmpire View Post

          Ah... have you ever heard of a guy named Amit Singhal?

          LOL

          :rolleyes:
          Was that supposed to be a logical response? Try again.

          Again, try to follow basic logic with the rest of the class: Where is your source? Post the link.
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          • Profile picture of the author FullMontySEO
            Originally Posted by Cool Hand Luke View Post

            Was that supposed to be a logical response? Try again.

            Again, try to follow basic logic with the rest of the class: Where is your source? Post the link.
            There is talk that this sort of stuff IS happening now. Check it out:

            Are People Getting Penalized From Deindexed ALN, BMR Links - Traffic Planet

            Blog Networks are Getting Deindexed

            blog networks getting deindexed - Black Hat Forum Black Hat SEO
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          • Profile picture of the author NetEmpire
            Originally Posted by Cool Hand Luke View Post

            Was that supposed to be a logical response? Try again.

            Again, try to follow basic logic with the rest of the class: Where is your source? Post the link.
            Boy... looking at your other posts I see you are a %$#@ with most everyone.

            Wait and see who's the dumb donkey.

            I was born at night but not last night.
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            • Profile picture of the author NetEmpire
              Originally Posted by Cool Hand Luke View Post

              Was that supposed to be a logical response? Try again.

              Again, try to follow basic logic with the rest of the class: Where is your source? Post the link.
              Originally Posted by NetEmpire View Post

              Boy... looking at your other posts I see you are a %$#@ with most everyone.

              Wait and see who's the dumb donkey.

              I was born at night but not last night.
              Seriously Cool Hand Luke? So UN-Cool

              You give me an infraction for calling you a "dumb donkey?"

              REALLY?

              First of all, in my post, I could have just as easily been referring to myself as a "dumb donkey"...

              You are sacracstic and abusive to people on this forum all the time.

              And add a hypocrite to that list:

              Originally Posted by Cool Hand Luke View Post

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              You are an idiot. You've embarrassed yourself enough in your threads that get deleted but keep it up, it's good entertainment.
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      • Profile picture of the author kindsvater
        Originally Posted by Cool Hand Luke View Post

        Do you have a source for this info? A link? Any info at all? No, I didn't think so. You'll have to excuse me as I ignore you completely and continue to make money. Thanks.
        Oops.

        The problem with a public network is it is PUBLIC. If it becomes popular then it is a huge target.

        Over the years, how many easy, spammy, mass production of _____ designed to game SEO have a long shelf life?

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  • Profile picture of the author Fernando Veloso
    Still trying to game Google huh? Sorry about that OP, but Mike gave you good advice in there...
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  • Profile picture of the author rafiseo
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    A quick question to Mike Anthony.

    How can we secure our PBN from Google?
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by rafiseo View Post

      A quick question to Mike Anthony.

      How can we secure our PBN from Google?

      Hey Rafiseo, Thats a very wide and deep subject. It goes from the content you put on the site , to technical issues like robot.txt and IPs but in light of whats been going on for the last few days I'll give you some quick points under one general rule.

      First DO EVERYTHING DIFFERENT THAN HOW SERVICE PROVIDERS do.

      No joke.

      I haven't met one person that has a truly private network that was NOT used as a public rental service complain about deindexing. Yeah maybe a site here or site there but no total loss of multiple domains. I personally haven't had any in use in my network deindexed at all. Renting is what is killing these networks. Lets look at it and I'll make my suggestions along the way.

      Don't put too many subjects on one page with links. This is like - Duh? but this is what almost all service providers do and worse alot of them NEVER create additional pages on their domains so that they can utilize internal pages. they stick everything on the front page and then just let it roll off. The truth is - PR degrades FAR LESS when you link WITHIN your domain especially on your top navigation links. I have had even PR3 domains where I put navigational links at the top and guess what - I've had one or two of those pages become PR3s certainly PR2s. I have students that can't get this until I repeat it like ten times because they are like "well I want to send as much juice as I can to my money site not weaken it by linking anywhere else."

      Seriously how many sites do you know that don't have navigation and link to any reputable sites. Thats being penny wise and pound foolish with link juice.

      Utilizing interior pages lessens the amount of links you are putting on one page and your pages don't look so obvious you end up losing thewhole domain.

      Limit your links For LOW OBL . NO GOOGLE ALGO OUT THERE is going to red flag a page with say ten links and and algo that can detect 100 incontent links is pretty easy to write. I'll immediately put this with the next point because they go hand in hand

      Make your links fit within the context of what you are talking about naturally

      Almost all the sites getting dinged are so incredibly easy to spot its not funny. You can't spin content and make it make sense and you certainly can't spin content and make the links seem natural to the context of the article. Don't do that and BOOM a manual reviewer knows exactly what is what.

      How many make money online blogs are there? How many consumer advice blogs and sites, how many personal blogs where people link to all kinds of things. But they don't get deindexed why? Because the content makes sense. A make money online blog is going to talk about all kinds of opportunities and niches but they do it in such a way that the articles hang together. I have an entrepenuerial website where I highlight up and coming businesses. I link to my clients sites but if you come there you will find that its just a blog about businesses. the site makes sense and the reason I link to the client site fits within that sense.

      I don't have 75 links with gibberish spun content around it. Its just silly to think your competitor is not going to notice and report you if you are in a half way competitive serp and its even sillier to think google isn't going to notice when they are manually reviewing the site.

      Don't be freaking lazy or cheap and keep your network closed to anyone who is either of the two, this will offend some people but I wouldn't touch the $69 I want to rank my adsense site crew for my networks I spend money building. They don't give a rip and just want to submit the minimum quality article they can to get by with and then they whine like babies when you reject their copyscape fail test asking "well how unique does it have to be... I spun it like ten times"

      See? I meant it . avoid doing everything the rental networks do. There are some more technical tricks to make sure your competitors find it extremely difficult to report you but just that rule will get your site pretty well protected. although nothing is 100%
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      • Profile picture of the author NetEmpire
        Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

        Hey Rafiseo, Thats a very wide and deep subject. It goes from the content you put on the site , to technical issues like robot.txt and IPs but in light of whats been going on for the last few days I'll give you some quick points under one general rule.

        First DO EVERYTHING DIFFERENT THAN HOW SERVICE PROVIDERS do.

        No joke.

        I haven't met one person that has a truly private network that was NOT used as a public rental service complain about deindexing. Yeah maybe a site here or site there but no total loss of multiple domains. I personally haven't had any in use in my network deindexed at all. Renting is what is killing these networks. Lets look at it and I'll make my suggestions along the way.

        Don't put too many subjects on one page with links. This is like - Duh? but this is what almost all service providers do and worse alot of them NEVER create additional pages on their domains so that they can utilize internal pages. they stick everything on the front page and then just let it roll off. The truth is - PR degrades FAR LESS when you link WITHIN your domain especially on your top navigation links. I have had even PR3 domains where I put navigational links at the top and guess what - I've had one or two of those pages become PR3s certainly PR2s. I have students that can't get this until I repeat it like ten times because they are like "well I want to send as much juice as I can to my money site not weaken it by linking anywhere else."

        Seriously how many sites do you know that don't have navigation and link to any reputable sites. Thats being penny wise and pound foolish with link juice.

        Utilizing interior pages lessons the amount of links you are putting on one page and your pages don't look so obvious you end up losing thewhole domain.

        Limit your links For LOW OBL . NO GOOGLE ALGO OUT THERE is going to red flag a page with say ten links and and algo that can detect 100 incontent links is pretty easy to write. I'll immediately put this with the next point because they go hand in hand

        Make your links fit within the context of what you are talking about naturally

        Almost all the sites getting dinged are so incredibly easy to spot its not funny. You can't spin content and make it make sense and you certainly can't spin content and make the links seem natural to the context of the article. Don't do that and BOOM a manual reviewer knows exactly what is what.

        How many make money online blogs are there? How many consumer advice blogs and sites, how many personal blogs where people link to all kinds of things. But they don't get deindexed why? Because the content makes sense. A make money online blog is going to talk about all kinds of opportunities and niches but they do it in such a way that the articles hang together. I have an entrepenuerial website where I highlight up and coming businesses. I link to my clients sites but if you come there you will find that its just a blog about businesses. the site makes sense and the reason I link to the client site fits within that sense.

        I don't have 75 links with gibberish spun content around it. Its just silly to think your competitor is not going to notice and report you if you are in a half way competitive serp and its even sillier to think google isn't going to notice when they are manually reviewing the site.

        Don't be freaking lazy or cheap and keep your network closed to anyone who is either of the two, this will offend some people but I wouldn't touch the $69 I want to rank my adsense site crew for my networks I spend money building. They don't give a rip and just want to submit the minimum quality article they can to get by with and then they whine like babies when you reject their copyscape fail test asking "well how unique does it have to be... I spun it like ten times"

        See? I meant it . avoid doing everything the rental networks do. There are some more technical tricks to make sure your competitors find it extremely difficult to report you but just that rule will get your site pretty well protected. although nothing is 100%
        Mike - awesome post!
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      • Profile picture of the author eurekapsycrille
        Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

        Hey Rafiseo, Thats a very wide and deep subject. It goes from the content you put on the site , to technical issues like robot.txt and IPs but in light of whats been going on for the last few days I'll give you some quick points under one general rule.

        First DO EVERYTHING DIFFERENT THAN HOW SERVICE PROVIDERS do.

        No joke.

        I haven't met one person that has a truly private network that was NOT used as a public rental service complain about deindexing. Yeah maybe a site here or site there but no total loss of multiple domains. I personally haven't had any in use in my network deindexed at all. Renting is what is killing these networks. Lets look at it and I'll make my suggestions along the way.

        Don't put too many subjects on one page with links. This is like - Duh? but this is what almost all service providers do and worse alot of them NEVER create additional pages on their domains so that they can utilize internal pages. they stick everything on the front page and then just let it roll off. The truth is - PR degrades FAR LESS when you link WITHIN your domain especially on your top navigation links. I have had even PR3 domains where I put navigational links at the top and guess what - I've had one or two of those pages become PR3s certainly PR2s. I have students that can't get this until I repeat it like ten times because they are like "well I want to send as much juice as I can to my money site not weaken it by linking anywhere else."

        Seriously how many sites do you know that don't have navigation and link to any reputable sites. Thats being penny wise and pound foolish with link juice.

        Utilizing interior pages lessens the amount of links you are putting on one page and your pages don't look so obvious you end up losing thewhole domain.

        Limit your links For LOW OBL . NO GOOGLE ALGO OUT THERE is going to red flag a page with say ten links and and algo that can detect 100 incontent links is pretty easy to write. I'll immediately put this with the next point because they go hand in hand

        Make your links fit within the context of what you are talking about naturally

        Almost all the sites getting dinged are so incredibly easy to spot its not funny. You can't spin content and make it make sense and you certainly can't spin content and make the links seem natural to the context of the article. Don't do that and BOOM a manual reviewer knows exactly what is what.

        How many make money online blogs are there? How many consumer advice blogs and sites, how many personal blogs where people link to all kinds of things. But they don't get deindexed why? Because the content makes sense. A make money online blog is going to talk about all kinds of opportunities and niches but they do it in such a way that the articles hang together. I have an entrepenuerial website where I highlight up and coming businesses. I link to my clients sites but if you come there you will find that its just a blog about businesses. the site makes sense and the reason I link to the client site fits within that sense.

        I don't have 75 links with gibberish spun content around it. Its just silly to think your competitor is not going to notice and report you if you are in a half way competitive serp and its even sillier to think google isn't going to notice when they are manually reviewing the site.

        Don't be freaking lazy or cheap and keep your network closed to anyone who is either of the two, this will offend some people but I wouldn't touch the $69 I want to rank my adsense site crew for my networks I spend money building. They don't give a rip and just want to submit the minimum quality article they can to get by with and then they whine like babies when you reject their copyscape fail test asking "well how unique does it have to be... I spun it like ten times"

        See? I meant it . avoid doing everything the rental networks do. There are some more technical tricks to make sure your competitors find it extremely difficult to report you but just that rule will get your site pretty well protected. although nothing is 100%

        Hi Mike! What about using free platforms for PBN like blogger, weebly, etc.?
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        • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
          Originally Posted by eurekapsycrille View Post

          Hi Mike! What about using free platforms for PBN like blogger, weebly, etc.?
          You can add some of those in but if thats all you are using its pretty limited what you can do. remember all those sites come with an extra set of rules and eyes looking at what you are doing. You can blink and your pages will be removed plus many of them have a bias against business related sites.
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          • Profile picture of the author krishacetravison
            Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

            You can add some of those in but if thats all you are using its pretty limited what you can do. remember all those sites come with an extra set of rules and eyes looking at what you are doing. You can blink and your pages will be removed plus many of them have a bias against business related sites.

            So it means that you have to spend money to make PNB? I would also like to try that one but I have not enough budget for it. Is there any way that I could make my own network for free?

            Thanks,
            Krishace
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            • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
              Originally Posted by krishacetravison View Post

              So it means that you have to spend money to make PNB? I would also like to try that one but I have not enough budget for it. Is there any way that I could make my own network for free?

              Thanks,
              Krishace
              Free? No. Relatively cheap? probably. But seriously come on man - no business works on free. You have to have at least enough money to do some hosting.

              Originally Posted by st0necol View Post

              Hey Mike, if I was to signup for your paid blog network mentorship program do you ever let your members know of any good private networks to join?
              Subject so far has never come up. Those building their own don't need any more private than their own. I will have a link building program shortly - not a network but it will give PR pages but to be flat out honest it won;t be what a lot of IM guys are looking for. It will require really good content exactly what Google wants.
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  • Profile picture of the author dp40oz
    Google prefers to solve problems with the algorithm rather then hands on. The internet is too big to manually remove all blog networks. It would be so easy for them to join BMR and then deindex every blog that gives them a link but that would just be a temporary fix. Another network would pop up in no time and they'd be chasing their tail. Google has been very vocal about finding algorithmic answers to these sorts of things and I would not be surprised if thats what we are seeing this month.
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  • Profile picture of the author SamuraiKat
    Looks like things are about to get ugly for some people.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mark Hoffman
    This is an extremely interesting thread, ive got around 200+ domain and am building a network right now, thanks for the tips and great information!
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  • Profile picture of the author MaverickUK
    Mike how many sites do you have in your network? Just curious!
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  • Profile picture of the author gearmonkey
    My private blog network is dominating better than ever!!!

    The key, I think, is keeping it private. I won't reveal my network to anyone until they buy a spot. I don't want to risk my network getting noticed by Google.
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    • Profile picture of the author Bryan V
      Originally Posted by gearmonkey View Post

      My private blog network is dominating better than ever!!!

      The key, I think, is keeping it private. I won't reveal my network to anyone until they buy a spot. I don't want to risk my network getting noticed by Google.
      How is that any different or safer than what the OP or BMR did?
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      • Profile picture of the author gearmonkey
        Originally Posted by Bryan V View Post

        How is that any different or safer than what the OP or BMR did?
        I don't sell to the masses or any random joe blow off the street. I offer only very limited spots.
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  • Profile picture of the author Captain Dynamo
    I have to ask...

    For starting your own blog network, it is ok to buy .info domains since they're so cheap? (like $3 per domain)... therefore buying 20, 50 or even 100 .info domains. Is this what most network owners do?

    My guess is that is doesn't matter whether it's a bunch of .coms or .infos... they all rank and get PRs in the end.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by Captain Dynamo View Post

      I have to ask...

      For starting your own blog network, it is ok to buy .info domains since they're so cheap? (like $3 per domain)... therefore buying 20, 50 or even 100 .info domains. Is this what most network owners do?
      NO most do not. I can think of only one network I know of that does this. Having an entire network made out of .infos is a dead giveaway something is up. In fact having any money site with a portfolio filled with .info domains is a dead giveaway. Terribly unnatural and easy to spot.
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      • Profile picture of the author markowe
        Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

        NO most do not. I can think of only one network I know of that does this.
        You mean, "used to do that"
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        • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
          Originally Posted by markowe View Post

          You mean, "used to do that"

          I don't follow them closely. Didn't know they changed that but glad they finally wised up
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  • Profile picture of the author bmcgoff
    Interesting and scary stuff here...is anyone convinced that BMR should be avoided? Love to hear your thoughts on this, Mike.
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    • Profile picture of the author The Dotcom Hippie
      Google aren't just deindexing networks, but also penalizing sites that have been linked to from various networks, most of which - to my knowledge - aren't even deindexed yet. Several people I know through a couple of relatively closed communities I am a member have been getting these kinds of fun messages lately, in conjunction with Google axing their sites:

      "We've detected that some of your site's pages may be using techniques that are outside Google's Webmaster Guidelines.
      Specifically, look for possibly artificial or unnatural links pointing to your site that could be intended to manipulate PageRank. Examples of unnatural linking could include buying links to pass PageRank or participating in link schemes."

      In some cases they've just been using one of two blog networks for guest posting that we use and can rectify the problem and submit re-inclusion request. However, two people I know who got onto doing that immediately were so far unsuccessful.

      The guys who have used spammier tactics like a some of the networks mentioned here probably can't do much about it. Google are adamant that the links must be removed before anything happens.

      Google are also sending examples of pages containing inorganic links pointing to their sites. A couple of the examples I've seen so far have been Wordpress blogs where the victim of Google's wrath has submitted a guest post with anchored links. No joke.

      So it seems you really CAN take out a competitors site by pointing spammy links at it now, despite what Google or anyone else may tell you. I personally think it's ridiculous.

      And Google obviously has people manually going through these networks. If you think Google are unaware of any of the ones mentioned on this thread so far, you're pretty ****ing naive, to be honest. And they're clearly on a mission to clean up at the moment - it's not a pretty picture for a lot of people.
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      • Profile picture of the author Vegaed1
        This is exactly why I love the warrior forum. So much free information to take in from experienced marketers. Sh*t, google can just come here and pick people off that are providing these kind of services.
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        • Profile picture of the author cssitkt
          I think PBN's will evolve and mutate into underground services with strict policies. It's the only way they can survive.

          Having a bunch of wordpress blogs all with the same theme, posting spun content to low quality sites will not work and if they do it will be so temporary it's not worth it. Just the thought of one of those penalty notices, which i've received a few of, is enough to put me off all but the most conscientious PBN's.

          What's needed is:
          1. Strict vetting of members sites for content, quality, age, affiliate links
          2. Unique non consecutive IP's from different locations
          3. Mixed themes and blog platforms
          4. Unique hand written content
          5. Links to high authority sites mixed in
          6. Posts that include mixed media
          7. Blogs with contact page, about page, comments
          8. Dripped links

          Basically a blog network so good it would stand a chance of passing a manual review.

          Essentially it needs to be 100% natural in appearance. I haven't heard of many networks like this so I think it's worth considering rolling your own.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by bmcgoff View Post

      Interesting and scary stuff here...is anyone convinced that BMR should be avoided? Love to hear your thoughts on this, Mike.


      From what I have seen BMR has many domains left so I don't think they got hit to the point where they can be of no use. DO I believe that they just closed down doors just because of updating and too many customers? Frankly No I don't. NOt claiming any inside info just stating my opinion.

      Seems way to coincidental and unlikely to me that one of the biggest public rental networks escaped being hit by Google going after rental networks in general. I am not saying they are lying I just don't expect a blog network to come out and tell the whole truth and nothing but. One of the reasons why you might have too many customers for your resources is that you lost some sites to deindexing so its under any scenario not a lie.

      I have had people contact me saying they got hit by the unnatural link penalty (with confirmation emails from Google) so I think people need to reevaluate all their network services. BMR does better than alot of networks with content but from what I have seen they still have a whole lot of different articles about different subjects on a single page and its a dead give away
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      • Profile picture of the author st0necol
        Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

        From what I have seen BMR has many domains left so I don't think they got hit to the point where they can be of no use. DO I believe that they just closed down doors just because of updating and too many customers? Frankly No I don't. NOt claiming any inside info just stating my opinion.

        Seems way to coincidental and unlikely to me that one of the biggest public rental networks escaped being hit by Google going after rental networks in general. I am not saying they are lying I just don't expect a blog network to come out and tell the whole truth and nothing but. One of the reasons why you might have too many customers for your resources is that you lost some sites to deindexing so its under any scenario not a lie.

        I have had people contact me saying they got hit by the unnatural link penalty (with confirmation emails from Google) so I think people need to reevaluate all their network services. BMR does better than alot of networks with content but from what I have seen they still have a whole lot of different articles about different subjects on a single page and its a dead give away
        Hey Mike, if I was to signup for your paid blog network mentorship program do you ever let your members know of any good private networks to join?
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  • Profile picture of the author Kreative4
    Thats horrible Did you interconnected them all?
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  • Profile picture of the author Bramantya Prakosa
    these things happen so often recently,everyone should be more careful when building networks for link selling right now...
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  • Profile picture of the author bmcgoff
    Man this thread got heated...we're all trying to do the same thing here!
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    • Profile picture of the author MohinishSingh
      Lots of info on these pages thanks guys...
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  • Profile picture of the author chriscyan
    Google will still re-index your blog site if you follow the terms and conditions
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by chriscyan View Post

      Google will still re-index your blog site if you follow the terms and conditions
      If you are caught selling links its not that easy. They may never reinstate you. If you are talking about people using the network who get penalized the problem is that Google requires the links be removed and in many cases they don't have access to the offending sites to do that.
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  • Profile picture of the author Fernando Veloso
    All it takes to understand how to avoid these issues is to deliver exactly what Google understands as "natural backlink profile":

    different sites
    different anchors
    different platforms
    different niches
    etc etc

    When people try to game the system using:

    same sites
    same anchors
    same platforms
    same niches
    etc etc

    obviously they end up losing it all.

    Not saying this ^^ is a "good" formula VERSUS a "bad" formula, but those doing the first one have networks for years and no problem whatsoever. Why? Cause it's just a bunch of normal sites. And more: there are dozens of ways to "be inventive" and get unique backlinks. People are so damn lazy they just follow what others told them to do and they simply don't use their brain...
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    • Profile picture of the author The Dotcom Hippie
      Originally Posted by Fernando Veloso View Post

      All it takes to understand how to avoid these issues is to deliver exactly what Google understands as "natural backlink profile":

      different sites
      different anchors
      different platforms
      different niches
      etc etc
      No, that's not enough at all. People who have a highly diversified link profile are getting hit by the "unnatural links" penalty. What you need IMO (I'm speculating here, just like pretty much everyone else is doing right now) is for your sites to be well established and have REAL authority. Like I said, I SPECULATE that that's the case, and I do that because I have yet to hear of a site like well established authority site being hit by this thing. If you don't have plenty of kick ass links pointing to your site and use stuff like UAW, BMR, or some other network, you could be in for a bumpy ride.
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      • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
        Originally Posted by The Dotcom Hippie View Post

        No, that's not enough at all. People who have a highly diversified link profile are getting hit by the "unnatural links" penalty.

        The real problem is that for some stupid reason people think that forum profile links are a part of a "diversified link profile". People using forum profile links are the ones most commonly getting hit with these love letters from Google.
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    • Profile picture of the author paulgl
      Originally Posted by Fernando Veloso View Post

      All it takes to understand how to avoid these issues is to deliver exactly what Google understands as "natural backlink profile":

      different anchors
      Sorry for the edit, Fernando, but that one singled out by me is
      exactly what IMHO is mostly what google means by
      unnatural links.

      You get 5,000 links that all say, "Make money online," by
      some knucklehead on fiverr, or other idiot peddling nonsense,
      and you start looking like a spammer.

      Note: This is not in any way directed at anyone here, or
      their network. Don't think I have anybody on the WF in
      mind. I don't.

      I've been saying for years not do forum profiling. Do active
      forums with sigs. And any automated forum profile BS is
      junk.

      Paul
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      • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
        Originally Posted by paulgl View Post

        Note: This is not in any way directed at anyone here, or
        their network. Don't think I have anybody on the WF in
        mind. I don't.
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        Come on Paul. We all know you have people in mind you can't mention
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  • Profile picture of the author options
    I have just submitted a ticket to BMR asking them to go through all my posts which are marked indexed.. And re submit the ones which have been removed.

    I'm paying for content and the subscription and my links are being removed!

    Not a happy BMR customer.
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    • Profile picture of the author JeanneLynn
      Originally Posted by options View Post

      I have just submitted a ticket to BMR asking them to go through all my posts which are marked indexed.. And re submit the ones which have been removed.

      I'm paying for content and the subscription and my links are being removed!

      Not a happy BMR customer.
      Did they answer yet? I checked my past posts and my links are mostly intact. I don't submit too much to BMR though. In 2 months, I've only submitted 300 posts (total) for my two main websites.
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  • Profile picture of the author Abdul Jabbar
    I have subscription of seolinkvine and it is also ****ed by google Because i submit 500 spun articles last week and non of single link is indexed by google yet. I think google is running behind blog networks find their footprints to deindex them .....
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  • Profile picture of the author Simin
    really a mass google updates. . .
    The big G mad. . . And deindexed blog network. . . Now what ? What next?
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  • Profile picture of the author Joe Light
    Great thread, was curious about the matter because one of my 2 week old sites got ousted by google, (not deindexed though) when it was ranking for 3 long tail kw's and my EMD just got knocked a few pages down.

    I was mainly using webdirectory submissions and BMR but i noticed lately that my recent BMR posts don't quite have the indexing success rate as they did before.
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  • Profile picture of the author cleanerupper
    Man, if Google ever decided to hire Mike Anthony then we would surely all be screwed.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by cleanerupper View Post

      Man, if Google ever decided to hire Mike Anthony then we would surely all be screwed.
      LOL. Who said they haven't?

      All you suckers going down. I know where ALL your links are. Only I am going to make money on both sides. Some of you will have to pay me protection money.

      ROFL
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      • Profile picture of the author GrowMap
        People need to see the handwriting on the wall. Google's CEO announced in the now infamous "The Internet is a Cesspool and brands are the way we're going to clean it up" that they were going to favor Big Brands. You can read about that at SEOBook at seobook.com/google-branding and my comment is at seobook.com/google-branding/#comment-38489. I'm not permitted to add live links yet.

        Since then they have systematically taken the best converting keyword phrases in AdWords, organic search and even on Google Product search away from small businesses and handed that traffic to their Fortune 500 buds. Again, I have proof of that but can't share the link here.

        The post is on my blog in Google Farmer Update aka Panda Slaps Google Shopping and Google Maps Competitors growmap.com/farmer-update-google-competitors/ - note the text in red to see how Google is hiding small businesses' products - even when you specifically search for THE SPECIFIC SITE - for the money phrases but shows them for non-converting general phrases.

        That behavior limits our freedom of choice and hands ever more business to multi-national corporations. Time to wake up and quit handing that 800 lb gorilla the ability to decide who survives and who starves.

        Start by focusing more time on building traffic from REAL PEOPLE and focusing on selling valuable products and services instead of get rich quick b.s. and auto-spamming tools.

        Quit worrying about quantity and focus on quality because:
        • a) A few relevant links from related quality blogs is more powerful for search engine positioning than zillions of links from useless content no one links to, reads, or shares
        • b) You'll be creating audiences that don't need Google to find you - which is going to be more and more important as Google intentionally churns what results are on page 1 and buries your pages deep in the index - or de-indexes them altogether.
        • See How to Create SEO Optimized Pillar Content at growmap.com/sharing-quality-content/ and for proof that quality trumps quantity see growmap.com/quality-not-quantity/
        • Learn how to use social networking and collaborations to drive traffic. Some of what you need is in that Pillar Content creation post and more is in this Case Study growmap.com/case-study-nimble-twitter-reach-first-24-hours/
        IMPORTANT: teach your friends, family, clients and co-workers - everyone you know - to use alternatives for all things "Borg" - "Borg is my term for all solutions controlled by the wealthy elite - those who George Carlin refers to as "the owners". See his video about The American Dream on YouTube.

        PREDICTION: Google will use algo updates, Chrome block data, and page load times to make more and more sites disappear from the index. They will control even more than they already are what you can find and what you can't.

        ALREADY HAPPENING: Borg sites including search engines, YouTube, Hulu, Twitter, Facebook are manipulating social proof. I can explain that and offer specifics if anyone wants to know.

        If you want links for any of this someone who can share them is welcome to contact me on Skype (GrowMap), Yahoo IM, or on Twitter @GrowMap - use a regular tweet or at least let me know if you DM as I don't see DMs in a timely manner because of auto-DMs.
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      • Profile picture of the author cjbwebs
        Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

        LOL. Who said they haven't?

        All you suckers going down. I know where ALL your links are. Only I am going to make money on both sides. Some of you will have to pay me protection money.

        ROFL
        LOL,

        This one meaty thread..
        I was a cut and paste machine there for a sec :p

        Mike any WSO in the works or will you just stay with the mentoring?

        cjbwebs
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        • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
          Originally Posted by cjbwebs View Post

          LOL,

          This one meaty thread..
          I was a cut and paste machine there for a sec :p

          Mike any WSO in the works or will you just stay with the mentoring?

          cjbwebs
          WSOs are for sissies.

          ROFL..OR maybe I cold run A WSO for my protection racket. Buy this WSO and I won't report your unnatural links.

          ahem okay seriously now........... I might have something in the works.....but when things die down. Things got super busy for me since BMR went out of business. I knew SEOs used them but there was a much higher amount of SEOs using them than I thought and they are all scrambling for something they can control and protect better.
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  • Profile picture of the author massivemarketing
    >>Limit your links For LOW OBL . NO GOOGLE ALGO OUT THERE is going to red flag a page with say ten links and and algo that can detect 100 incontent links is pretty easy to write. I'll immediately put this with the next point because they go hand in hand

    Can definitely confirm that 10 OBL's is enough to trip the algo.

    To original OP:

    What percentage of anchor text is the same amongst all domains?

    >>The only 2 sites not to get de-indexed were 2 that had been hacked a few days earlier and so the content on those couldn't be found via a Google search.

    Haha! We noticed this too on multiple networks, so we can rule out manual. As its deindexed can you share the url's with me? We've been doing some testing and would be happy to share with you our findings.
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    • Profile picture of the author mark@1to101
      Originally Posted by massivemarketing View Post

      >>Limit your links For LOW OBL . NO GOOGLE ALGO OUT THERE is going to red flag a page with say ten links and and algo that can detect 100 incontent links is pretty easy to write. I'll immediately put this with the next point because they go hand in hand.

      Can definitely confirm that 10 OBL's is enough to trip the algo.
      I didn't have more than 5 OBL's per page at all. And it was mostly just one.

      Originally Posted by massivemarketing View Post

      To original OP:

      What percentage of anchor text is the same amongst all domains?

      >>The only 2 sites not to get de-indexed were 2 that had been hacked a few days earlier and so the content on those couldn't be found via a Google search.

      Haha! We noticed this too on multiple networks, so we can rule out manual. As its deindexed can you share the url's with me? We've been doing some testing and would be happy to share with you our findings.
      Looking back now I think it wasn't the spun content that took the network down but rather either or both of the following...

      - Not mixing up the anchor link text enough. Each spun article was sent out to 50 or so of the sites in the network and there wouldn't be any more than 2 variations of anchor link text. This gave great results at the time but, in retrospect, was a big footprint.

      - Linking out to sites in competitive niches, such as No Win No Fee, Payday Loans, Car Insurance, etc. Sites ranking on the 1st page for these types of keywords are likely to have their backlink profiles reviewed at some point, either by competitors or Google.

      I can't give out any urls as even though the sites are de-indexed they still have links to clients' sites on them and it's not fair to make their details public.
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      • Profile picture of the author massivemarketing
        Originally Posted by mark@1to101 View Post

        I didn't have more than 5 OBL's per page at all. And it was mostly just one.

        Looking back now I think it wasn't the spun content that took the network down but rather either or both of the following...

        - Not mixing up the anchor link text enough. Each spun article was sent out to 50 or so of the sites in the network and there wouldn't be any more than 2 variations of anchor link text. This gave great results at the time but, in retrospect, was a big footprint.

        - Linking out to sites in competitive niches, such as No Win No Fee, Payday Loans, Car Insurance, etc. Sites ranking on the 1st page for these types of keywords are likely to have their backlink profiles reviewed at some point, either by competitors or Google.

        I can't give out any urls as even though the sites are de-indexed they still have links to clients' sites on them and it's not fair to make their details public.
        Thanks for the response!

        I don't think its #2. A few of the newer "random" HPBL networks seem to link out to some of the toughest niches and seem to be running just fine.

        Point number one seems to be what every HPBL network owner is saying is the root cause of deindex- even if there's only ten high pr sites in the network and ridiculously low obls. The network is a goner. It hit ours too, hard.

        What I'm curious to find out now is what the tolerances are and what amount of a/t variation is required to go under the radar.
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        • Profile picture of the author mark@1to101
          Originally Posted by massivemarketing View Post

          What I'm curious to find out now is what the tolerances are and what amount of a/t variation is required to go under the radar.
          I think I'll play it safe and try to use a slightly different variation on each network site.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by massivemarketing View Post

      Can definitely confirm that 10 OBL's is enough to trip the algo.
      Actually no you can't because you don't know that you were hit by an algo. You are guessing (and in my estimation guessing wrong) that it was an algo.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mark Gubuan
    Anyone have any predictions for what alternatives to blog networks might come up? I was looking to use a blog network or perhaps create my own, however I'm thinking that I need to weigh the risks of that or use an alternative. Thoughts?
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  • Profile picture of the author RyanLB
    Thanks for the heads up.

    I think people need to start posting content to a far fewer selection of their blogs, or to keep the blogs within a niche. Once you find one blog, it isn't all that hard to track down the others. It definitely sounds like a manual penalty though unless there was some connection you are not thinking of.
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  • Profile picture of the author thepresence
    This is some amazing thread with players on both sides. This is what I am taking away after reading every post:

    1.) Google has manual reviewers. Some here are contesting that. I am not.

    MORAL: If your site cannot withstand human eyes, it will go down...at some point.

    2.) For a blog network to survive over time, all content must be original and be able to stand on its own...and it must be semi-private.

    3.) User NetEmpire has said many a wise thing on this thread. Do you all realize that something like 75% of ALL Google revenue comes from search results? If they don't maintain the highest quality there, their whole ship sinks: EVERYTHING. You don't think they'd be willing to throw millions of dollars at this problem to save their core product?

    4.) There are some people here who simply haven't been GOT yet. They gloat now, but will they in 3 months, one year?

    5.) Diversification is key and you simply cannot rely on Google results anymore for traffic as a long term business strategy! Google favors the big boys more and more now-a-days. You use to be able to create inbound links with solid anchor text in article directories and blog networks (is there any difference?) and, if done right, you could always get to the first page if not #1. It still works in some cases but should not be relied on to feed your kids or send them to college

    And, finally, thanks to Matt for being open, honest, and starting this thread. It's a great pleasure to see all these SEO minds and diversified opinions at work.
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    • Profile picture of the author NaturalHealing
      5.) Diversification is key and you simply cannot rely on Google results anymore for traffic as a long term business strategy! Google favors the big boys more and more now-a-days. You use to be able to create inbound links with solid anchor text in article directories and blog networks (is there any difference?) and, if done right, you could always get to the first page if not #1. It still works in some cases but should not be relied on to feed your kids or send them to college

      I agree with this. I just watched that George Carlin video about the American dream. Google basically made the rules, they said use anchor text. Then, with no notice, they said that was all wrong. If you did not do that, you would never be on page one.

      Now, they not only will not rank you, but they de-index your site for doing the very thing they told you to do a few months ago.

      The worst part of this is, you could work your buns off and build an all white hat site with guest blog posts and your competitor can come along and blow you away. All that work down the drain.

      Make no mistake about it. Google is building up a lot of ill will and bad publicity. They are not paying tech people for plugins they developed.

      AOL thought they could do whatever they wanted and people would keep coming back. As soon as there was a viable alternative, most people left them.

      My sites rank quite well in Bing. I have a lot of content about my topics on them.

      Whoever says "Content is King, must be using Bing"!!!
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  • Profile picture of the author menj
    Very useful thread and it seems maintaining a blog network is something more widespread than I originally thought. I have a friend who actually maintains this for a lot of $$$ but I never thought that it is something that will be considered seriously by IMs. I may start one of my own for private use.
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  • Profile picture of the author Tom Albas
    I think after update Google de-index private blogs network
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  • Profile picture of the author Mantasmo
    Another public-private network got hit pretty bad these last two weeks. Not sure how many of you still use them.

    I test stuff - blog network backlinked sites are still absolutely dominating the SERPs, but you need to build private networks that don't get caught, because penalties are ****ing crazy if you have links on a de-indexed site. I mean holy crap, sites that have steadily held #5-#2 rankings for years get pushed to #1 and then after blog network de-index go to pages 10+ in the SERPs. Anyone want a competitor nuked? Submit them to one of these public-private networks and wait until the next de-indexing round, lol.

    So yea, build your own networks.

    edit: now that I think about it, it could have a lot to do with blog network owners taking de-indexed sites offline. I'm not sure if anyone's tested this. I know that Google crawls de-indexed sites, I just don't know when they apply this link loss penalty (or if it's a special case for blog network customers only).
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  • Profile picture of the author multiplecloud
    First of all, sorry to hear that. There are different factor that will caused penalized. Going into blog network, try to not leave any footprint that can trace to your identity.
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