How INCOMING backlinks can HURT you !

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I was searching for a week why one of my old and trusty websites got Deindexed by Google.

After a while a second one of my account also got Deindexed.

Sure i have done a bit of commenting in blogs and some articles for SEO.

Today searching why 2 of my websites are banned, i found maybe the cause.

Both have several backlinks from

www.aminuu.com (article directory)

and that directory got banned recently. I strongly believe that this is the cause because none of my 15 websites in my account got banned, only those two who had related articles from www.aminuu.com.

So the question is, can backlinks to your website harm you ? Until now i was a strong believer that NO.

Now i just don't know. Also there is nothing i can do about it.
#backlinks #hurt #incoming
  • Profile picture of the author WilliamBlah
    Did your websites have a good quantity of high quality and unique content and offer value to the user?

    Regards
    Will
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    • Profile picture of the author cagliostro
      Originally Posted by WilliamBlah View Post

      Did your websites have a good quantity of high quality and unique content and offer value to the user?

      Regards
      Will
      Yes both are very professional and most content is created by the users. High quality ? Nope but this can't be the reason for deindexing. Lower rank maybe. Also both websites are registered in 2007 and had (!) more than 20.000 pages indexed each.

      I will see if they will come back after they clean-up the infected article directory. Then i will be sure about the cause.
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  • Profile picture of the author bigcat1967
    Did you backlink from anyother questionable websites?
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    • Profile picture of the author cagliostro
      Originally Posted by bigcat1967 View Post

      Did you backlink from anyother questionable websites?
      The above article directory is not just "questionable", it is banned/blocked/deindexed by Google and my AVAST! antivirus.

      And yes, i did have backlinks from around 20 directories.
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      • Profile picture of the author dburk
        Originally Posted by cagliostro View Post

        The above article directory is not just "questionable", it is banned/blocked/deindexed by Google and my AVAST! antivirus.

        And yes, i did have backlinks from around 20 directories.
        Hi cagliostro,

        From this post I would deduce that the article directory was infected with a virus, else why would your anti-virus software block it.

        Is it possible that your own website is now infected? Have you checked your Google Webmaster Tools account to see if they list the reason for your de-indexing? Did you use the site: operator to verify that your websites are totally de-indexed? Did you check your sites using Google's Safe Browsing Tool?
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  • Profile picture of the author dennis09
    Did you have a lot of low pr links pointing to your domain? What about duplicate content onsite?
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  • Profile picture of the author goosefrabah
    I doubt this is the case, if so I will take down all of my competition.
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    • Originally Posted by goosefrabah View Post

      I doubt this is the case, if so I will take down all of my competition.
      Exactly my thoughts. If it was this easy, everyone would just send bad links to their competitors sites and get them banned.

      Google will only ban you for the factors that you can actually control on your own website. Backlinks is not really something you have complete control over.
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    • Profile picture of the author cagliostro
      Originally Posted by goosefrabah View Post

      I doubt this is the case, if so I will take down all of my competition.
      Well this was my initial though also. Still not 100% sure about it, i guess time will tell. For now i lost around 20% of my income.
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      • Profile picture of the author goosefrabah
        Originally Posted by cagliostro View Post

        Well this was my initial though also. Still not 100% sure about it, i guess time will tell. For now i lost around 20% of my income.
        Sorry about your income, hopefully you can get your rankings back soon!
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        • Profile picture of the author simi
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          • Profile picture of the author cagliostro
            Originally Posted by simi View Post

            No! backlinks are not harmful of your websites even its useful for seo..but as you are saying your sites has been banned, i think behind it may be many reasons.. may be your content didn't unique, may your backlinks came from irrelevant sites..
            I'm REALLY REALLY sorry to so much CRAP replies lately in this Forums. People posting whatever crap they want, some even in some non-understandable language, so they get the # posts.

            Don't you people have nothing else better to do. Get the hell our of here !
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            • Profile picture of the author retsek
              Well you've gone and linked to that site in your post.
              Let's see if WF gets de-indexed. :rolleyes:
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  • Profile picture of the author terryd
    There is no way that was the cause of your banning, it has to be something else or as others have explained it would just be carnage out there.....
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    • Profile picture of the author cagliostro
      Originally Posted by terryd View Post

      There is no way that was the cause of your banning, it has to be something else or as others have explained it would just be carnage out there.....
      I agree, but i see no other reason. If backlinks can't hurt you, then backlinks is all i did. Low quality and high quality.
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      • Profile picture of the author terryd
        Respectfully, I think you must have done something else to get banned.

        I've even checked other sites that are listed on the same directory and they are not banned by Google

        Originally Posted by cagliostro View Post

        I agree, but i see no other reason. If backlinks can't hurt you, then backlinks is all i did. Low quality and high quality.
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  • Profile picture of the author Hughra
    Yes.. Having links on multiple teir 3 directories (directories for link building seo) harms your site. It promotes "duplicate content" and drags down the value of you site. Thing of it being an ancor on your speed boat.

    The directories are dull useless content. One should never submit to a directory unless it is reputable. Never use directory submission services ever.
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    • Profile picture of the author cagliostro
      Originally Posted by Hughra View Post

      Yes.. Having links on multiple teir 3 directories (directories for link building seo) harms your site. It promotes "duplicate content" and drags down the value of you site. Thing of it being an ancor on your speed boat.

      The directories are dull useless content. One should never submit to a directory unless it is reputable. Never use directory submission services ever.
      Do you really need to post CRAP replies to a thread ? You didn't even read my post.

      You have been reported.
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      • Profile picture of the author Hughra
        Originally Posted by cagliostro View Post

        Do you really need to post CRAP replies to a thread ? You didn't even read my post.

        You have been reported.
        That's not crap. It's reality. I read your post. And I responded. This is a very true scenario. There is no way to find out if it's directly related to those sites you mention. I was simply suggesting qualility over quantity and not to submit to sites that link farm.

        Now and days directories other than yahoo, dmoz, and google to name a few do not hold a well reputation. They are refered to as link farmers. They are open databases without guide lines that farm links. Generally filled with spam and malware.

        I read a couple weeks back that google launches a big operation to crack down on these type of sites as well as sites that have more than 3 ads per page without any valid content.

        If google banned the directory, there is a good chance that yor site felt victim or decreased its serp value. Check your logs .. See when the last time google bot crawled your site. A

        Is your site on a shared server. If another user is spamming from that server google will ban the ip. More generally true with email tho.

        It could also be an issue with your DNs. Maybe you are pulling from a different google server that doesn't have your site indexes.. Very very common for small sites.

        I know a lot.. And there was no reason for you to discredit my post. I came to this forum from namepros looking for a more credited/ mature environment.
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    • Profile picture of the author Cantbedone!
      Originally Posted by Hughra View Post

      Yes.. Having links on multiple teir 3 directories (directories for link building seo) harms your site. It promotes "duplicate content" and drags down the value of you site. Thing of it being an ancor on your speed boat.

      The directories are dull useless content. One should never submit to a directory unless it is reputable. Never use directory submission services ever.
      Please ignore this. This is not only wrong but ridiculously and amazingly wrong.
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  • Profile picture of the author cagliostro
    I will wait 2-3 weeks and then filll a reconsider request to google.
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  • Profile picture of the author ShaneMcc
    It may be the case that the links from the banned article directory raised a red flag in google. Then they checked out your site and felt it was too thin on content or duplicate content or something and along with having other low quality links they then decided to ban your site. I think one low quality link on its own wouldnt lead to a ban.
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  • Profile picture of the author sftwr1000
    Cagliostro, same incident happened with me, on feb 20 mine website disappeared from Google search result. Earlier my website used to be in Top 10 results at Google but it is not even in Top 500 for same keywords, it completely disappeared from Google search but all pages are still indexed and it is showing 40 pages at Google index in total. My website is 8 months old, it is a static website with around 40 pages. There is no duplicate content on my website.
    But I have been doing link building through Article directory for my website in Jan and Feb. Therefore I suspect that my rankings slipped due to backlinks from article directories. Right now I have removed all backlinks linking to my site from articles but no use.
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  • Profile picture of the author 4morereferrals
    had a wp blog attached ot a $$$ site get whacked recently - nasty viri up in there. NEVER de indexed - but serps took a big hit for a couple of weeks.

    So doubtful youre hit with that. Do you have outbound affiliate links that are not marked as rel=nofollow? could google believe you to be selling doFollow links?

    Is the site truly de indexed or just dropped -250 or greater. You never mentioned how you tested for de indexed you just SAID it was ...
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  • Originally Posted by cagliostro View Post

    can backlinks to your website harm you
    There are many thoughts on this, but my opinion is not in the long run. Perhaps it may cause a temporary drop, but your site should come back.

    Otherwise if this was the case it would be too easy to wipe out the competition by building rubbish links to their site.

    In my opinion, Google will only punish you for the factors that are under your control like content.
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    • Profile picture of the author lniskasaari
      If that aminuu.com is THAT powerful, I`m going to be using it against my competitors

      Then again, I think this has more or less to do with recent google update. I know it sucks (I recently lost a site that made me 2K a month) but that`s the way it goes sometimes.

      Google is your best friend until it decides to kick your site down to page 100.

      Just keep building more and more sites so if one drops for one reason or another, you won`t lose everything.

      -Lauri-
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    • Profile picture of the author cssitkt
      Originally Posted by TBInternetMarketing View Post


      In my opinion, Google will only punish you for the factors that are under your control like content.
      sorry but that is complete rubbish. Backlinks can harm your site - fact.
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      • Profile picture of the author penpoint
        Originally Posted by cssitkt View Post

        sorry but that is complete rubbish. Backlinks can harm your site - fact.
        Unless you provide some data to back up or support that claim, it's - opinion.
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        • Profile picture of the author boxoun
          Originally Posted by penpoint View Post

          Unless you provide some data to back up or support that claim, it's - opinion.
          Why waste his time? The data is everywhere...its right in front of you. Just look around.
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      • Profile picture of the author Cantbedone!
        Originally Posted by cssitkt View Post

        sorry but that is complete rubbish. Backlinks can harm your site - fact.

        Oh it is a fact now huh? One of the most deliberated topics in IM forums but thankfully you have swooped in with your vast experience to sum it all up for us in two sentences. Amazing.

        I guess we can lay that whole debate to rest now guys. Someone alert the rest of the internet that we have discovered the truth.

        In other less sarcastic words.. No sir, it is you that is wrong...fact.
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        • Profile picture of the author cssitkt
          Originally Posted by Cantbedone! View Post

          Oh it is a fact now huh? One of the most deliberated topics in IM forums but thankfully you have swooped in with your vast experience to sum it all up for us in two sentences. Amazing.

          I guess we can lay that whole debate to rest now guys. Someone alert the rest of the internet that we have discovered the truth.

          In other less sarcastic words.. No sir, it is you that is wrong...fact.
          Dude you need to listen -

          Thousands of website owners received this message which coincides with a complete loss of rankings.

          Google Webmaster Tools notice of unnatural links detected to yoursite.com
          February 26, 2012

          Dear Site Owner or Webmaster of yoursite.com,

          We've detected that some of your site's pages may be using techniques that are outside Google's Webmaster Guidelines.

          Specifically, look for possibly artificial or unnatural links pointing to your site that could be intended to manipulate PageRank. Examples of unnatural linking could include buying links to pass PageRank or participating in link schemes.
          We encourage you to make changes to your site, so that it meets our Quality Guidelines. Once you've made these changes, please submit your site for reconsideration in Google's search results.

          If you find unnatural links to your site that you are unable to control or remove, please provide the details in your reconsideration request.
          If you have additional questions about how to resolve this issue, please see our Webmaster Help Forum for support.

          Yours sincerely,

          Google Search Quality Team
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          • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
            Originally Posted by cssitkt View Post

            Dude you need to listen -

            Thousands of website owners received this message which coincides with a complete loss of rankings.

            Google Webmaster Tools notice of unnatural links detected to yoursite.com
            February 26, 2012

            Dear Site Owner or Webmaster of yoursite.com,

            We've detected that some of your site's pages may be using techniques that are outside Google's Webmaster Guidelines.

            Specifically, look for possibly artificial or unnatural links pointing to your site that could be intended to manipulate PageRank. Examples of unnatural linking could include buying links to pass PageRank or participating in link schemes.
            We encourage you to make changes to your site, so that it meets our Quality Guidelines. Once you've made these changes, please submit your site for reconsideration in Google's search results.

            If you find unnatural links to your site that you are unable to control or remove, please provide the details in your reconsideration request.
            If you have additional questions about how to resolve this issue, please see our Webmaster Help Forum for support.

            Yours sincerely,

            Google Search Quality Team
            Dude its a Google conspiracy. They sent those emails out to hundreds and thousands of people since July just by coincidence at the same time that each webmaster's site dropped just to make you THINK it was related to the links and there was a penalty...............

            ROFL.
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            • Profile picture of the author cssitkt
              Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

              Dude its a Google conspiracy. They sent those emails out to hundreds and thousands of people since July just by coincidence at the same time that each webmaster's site dropped just to make you THINK it was related to the links and there was a penalty...............

              ROFL.
              lol

              You know the more I think about the more i think that google have my phone tapped and are reading my emails. I'm starting to think that they run Warrior Forum as a way of collecting info and probably you work for Google. :p
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      • Profile picture of the author reyhan
        Is it possible getting backlink even from high P website can hurt?
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  • Profile picture of the author outwest
    Backlinks can hurt your site FACT

    Anyone saying otherwise is either a newbie or delusional
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  • Profile picture of the author burukutuk
    You just got sandboxed, it can happen caused one or more of these :
    1. Google think your article is not user friendly or not make benefit for who read it. It can happen because stuffing keyword, copy paste article.
    2. Someone report your web site to Google.
    3. Too many new backlinks indexed pointed to your website in short time.
    4. Too many outbound links, Google can categorized it as link farm.
    Just my opinion. :p
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  • Profile picture of the author uoftenwinny
    I think there should be something duplicated. So it got banned. Sorry to hear that.
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  • Profile picture of the author K Meier
    I love that people will always think that incoming links from another website will get them banned/deindexed from Google. This way people with common sense and TRUE SEO knowledge have less competition.

    Seriously though, Google has confirmed this in their own blog many times. Backlinks do NOT get you deindex from Google! Maybe if you suddenly get 100'000s or millions of links, it will raise a red flag at Google and then you are up for a manual review by a Google employee. Up for review is YOUR website then and not the backlinks. If Google then finds that your website is a spam website with zero value and you are ranking high for competitive keywords, then JUST THEN maybe they will decide to deindex you from Google.

    But that you actually believe that ONE single backlinks from a dodgy website will get you deindexed is total nonsese.
    But hey, please continue thinking that, please spread the word about this, because it's a good scare tactics and it will keep others from trying to create backlinks and this way I have it easier in the SEO world.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by K Meier View Post

      I love that people will always think that incoming links from another website will get them banned/deindexed from Google. This way people with common sense and TRUE SEO knowledge have less competition.
      people are not talking about deindexing or banning they are talking penalties and any one with "TRUE SEO knowledge" knows by now that - fact - it not only can hurt sites it does hurt real sites. You are living in denial if you think the old line that "if you could hurt your site with links you could hurt your competitors sites" still applies. thousands have received this notice and penalty -many right here on WF -

      Google's Sending Webmaster Notifications About Bad Links Pointing At Their Sites
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      • Profile picture of the author K Meier
        Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

        people are not talking about deindexing or banning they are talking penalties and any one with "TRUE SEO knowledge" knows by now that - fact - it not only can hurt sites it does hurt real sites. You are living in denial if you think the old line that "if you could hurt your site with links you could hurt your competitors sites" still applies. thousands have received this notice and penalty -many right here on WF -

        Google's Sending Webmaster Notifications About Bad Links Pointing At Their Sites
        Thumbs up! As I said, keeping the myth alive in forums likes these and having Goole themselves send out notifications, will help them keeping the spam within a certain radius.
        If Google would actually lower rankings of websites or even deindex them because of bad backlinks, then please bombard my top 10 competition with backlinks from bad sites! Oh wait... doesn't work, many SEOs tried it, never worked! Why? Because Google doesn't work that way! For as long as backlinks are the way to define rankings in search engines, it will not change.

        I'll leave this conversation now, but please keep up the rumors. Because if everyone would stop being careful with backlinks, I wouldn't be as successful as I am now.
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        • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
          Originally Posted by K Meier View Post

          Thumbs up! As I said, keeping the myth alive in forums likes these and having Goole themselves send out notifications, will help them keeping the spam within a certain radius.
          I put that right up with Conspiracy theories of big foot or a mom that insists her son is innocent when there is videotape showing him commit the murder and his DNa is all over the murder scene. Live in denial my man but to claim that WF members here are just part of a google conspiracy is just wacky. many people here have received the notices and lost ranking but oh no they are all lying and are paid by Google...ROFL


          If Google would actually lower rankings of websites or even deindex them because of bad backlinks, then please bombard my top 10 competition with backlinks from bad sites! Oh wait... doesn't work, many SEOs tried it, never worked! Why?

          Weak. That rational needs to be retired. Its a strawman. No one ever said that because one site can be bounced by bad links they all could be. If your competitors already rank and have solid links you could blast all day long but if you are not established before you do the blast and the blast ranks you then you think Google can't see that and on that basis penalize you. Its a dream world people are living in.
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  • Profile picture of the author SirBucksAlot
    Thumbs up! As I said, keeping the myth alive in forums likes these and having Goole themselves send out notifications, will help them keeping the spam within a certain radius. If Google would actually lower rankings of websites or even deindex them because of bad backlinks, then please bombard my top 10 competition with backlinks from bad sites! Oh wait... doesn't work, many SEOs tried it, never worked! Why? Because Google doesn't work that way! For as long as backlinks are the way to define rankings in search engines, it will not change.
    Sorry but you are wrong. The day of being able to spam your competitors is upon us, and I'm simply trying to find out which/how many of these contributed to my DERANKING off page one (3 yr domain, all unique content, no adsense, link exchange crap) and plenty of white hat seo off site. We've been diverse to cover our a$$ by doing High PR Homepage Text links, Articles every which way, PR News, Blog commenting, wiki, .edu, social link wheels, and more. I'm not sure if we should respond with a request for reconsideration, or to ride out the storm with good White SEO from here on out, and hope the penalty passes with time and no manual review. What do you think?
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    • Profile picture of the author looking4adsense
      I agree. Although it's still quite difficult to de-index established and aged website. It was really easy to de-index any new non-aged sites. The problem is of course you can only do it for about 6 month, then the site will comeback, and all those backlinks you built for them still count as valid backlinks and help their ranking.

      Originally Posted by SirBucksAlot View Post

      Sorry but you are wrong. The day of being able to spam your competitors is upon us, and I'm simply trying to find out which/how many of these contributed to my DERANKING off page one (3 yr domain, all unique content, no adsense, link exchange crap) and plenty of white hat seo off site. We've been diverse to cover our a$$ by doing High PR Homepage Text links, Articles every which way, PR News, Blog commenting, wiki, .edu, social link wheels, and more. I'm not sure if we should respond with a request for reconsideration, or to ride out the storm with good White SEO from here on out, and hope the penalty passes with time and no manual review. What do you think?
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  • Profile picture of the author chetankm
    i read every thread still not found the answer why the website is banned by the google.
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  • Profile picture of the author phpdevelopment
    Don’t worry Incoming backlinks from whatever source can’t hurt your site. If that was so, then SEO competition would simply build lots of spammy links back to your site. Google and other search engines is ignore these type of backlinks and in some instances, refuse to show them as links.
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  • Profile picture of the author komplex
    Banned
    I've seen this before..

    That page has been reported as an attack page..

    Google de-indexes it from the SERPS.

    It links to your site, Google assumes your sites attacked too. (Might be)

    Your site gets de-indexed.

    You need to go into your webmaster tools, file a request, check your site of all security issues, etc. You'll get it back online, will take about a month though. Had to coach someone through this awhile ago.
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  • Profile picture of the author rosesmark
    Originally Posted by cagliostro View Post

    I was searching for a week why one of my old and trusty websites got Deindexed by Google.

    After a while a second one of my account also got Deindexed.

    Sure i have done a bit of commenting in blogs and some articles for SEO.

    Today searching why 2 of my websites are banned, i found maybe the cause.

    Both have several backlinks from

    Account Suspended (article directory)

    and that directory got banned recently. I strongly believe that this is the cause because none of my 15 websites in my account got banned, only those two who had related articles from Account Suspended.

    So the question is, can backlinks to your website harm you ? Until now i was a strong believer that NO.

    Now i just don't know. Also there is nothing i can do about it.

    It's not necessarily, I think you did some wrong things that's why Google banned you. You can't say that this website behind this.
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  • Profile picture of the author bungto
    i don't think this backlink is reasons.My site have some backlink from a site banned to(media.hangulo.net) but it isn't banned
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  • Profile picture of the author seoforu
    I think you had mirror sites...that is why they got deindexed. If you maintain an original website and follow Google's guidelines then I am sure Google will reindex it.
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  • Profile picture of the author freeabs
    please read my experience here...

    http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...p-ranking.html
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  • Profile picture of the author tonyshell
    I have to spare more time to build backlink
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  • Profile picture of the author MJGottlieb
    From my experience, getting backlinks organically is the best route. When you buy backlinks from someone at Fiverr for example, that tells you they will send 100,000 backlinks to your site, or shady directories, etc, Google has gotten a lot smarter as it relates to quality backlinks.

    Bottomline, provide good quality content, and you will get good quality backlinks. On a final note, if you ue Press Releases, there are some PR companies that really give u the benefit of strong quantity and quality of backlinks. I have find PRWeb to be very excellent.

    ...Just my opinion based on my experience. Good luck.
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