Creating my first adsense site, this is my competition, should I go for it?

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Hi,

I'm planning on creating my first adsense site. I've got my eyes on a couple of keywords with a good amount of visitors and CPC. It's in the health niche. Thinking of setting up a 10 page site with info surrounding these keywords.

When checking these keywords on Google I can see that most have a pagerank of 2 - 6.

Two of those pages are from wikipedia which you all know and also one from webmd which you might know since it's pretty big in the health/medical field.

When checking with seoquake, the amount of backlinks to all these pages is between 0-10 except for maybe 1 or 2 pages that have up to 200-300 backlinks. When checking this in market samurai though the amount of backlinks to these pages is between 50-1500. A quick glance with anchor text analysis show that not all these backlinks are keyword targetted. And it doesn't show the amount of links as on the main screen of MS.

The amount of backlinks to all these domains is very big though. Thousands to hundred thousands. And these sites are well optimized. And are also in dmz. And strong domainage.

I've got a good domainname for it with keywords that I target, if I go through with it.

I just have a feeling that it's going to take ages to rank on page one, maybe even never, for this but I'm not sure, what do you think?

seoquake and market samurai have quite different results :/
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  • Profile picture of the author Spartacus
    Originally Posted by sam1216 View Post

    just go ahead best of luck for you mate
    :rolleyes:
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  • Profile picture of the author James-
    If you want you can PM me and i will give you some more accurate advice if you dont want to post your keywords here.

    No one can really advise otherwise.
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  • Profile picture of the author WilliamBlah
    It's likely to be a tough cookie to crack. Not impossible, but not simple - particularly if the Wikipedia and WebMD pages are quite well optimised towards the keyword you are targeting.

    As you are asking questions about keyword competition etc, I might add:
    -Always make sure you are using exact search (Within "") to see more accurate visitor stats
    - http://www.spyfu.com/ and http://www.keywordspy.com/ will give you a little more CPC detail than Market Samurai (which takes data from Google Keyword Tool). Aim for a HIGH number of advertisers, as well as a high CPC.

    If you want me to take a closer look at the keyword then feel free to shoot me a PM, although another piece of advice I would give you is not to share your website or keyword to avoid copycat competitors.

    Best Regards
    Will
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    • Profile picture of the author Spartacus
      Indeed, I'm not sharing the keywords for that reason. I know they're good though.
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  • Profile picture of the author OmarNegron
    Just go for it!

    Sometimes trying to rank for harder keywords can be that much more lucrative!

    -Omar
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  • Profile picture of the author easymoneyman
    Having more than just a couple of pages is a good idea, so 10 is a good start. If you are using a couple of keyword search tools do your best to find any crossover and use those for sure.
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  • Profile picture of the author Spartacus
    What I don't get though is why the CPC is different in Market Samurai compared to the Google keyword tool. The difference is quite big and for most even a couple of dollars difference. (search is exact so that's not the problem)

    Did they drop some kind of formula in market samurai to make it more realistic? :rolleyes:
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    • Profile picture of the author Kris79
      Originally Posted by Spartacus View Post

      What I don't get though is why the CPC is different in Market Samurai compared to the Google keyword tool. The difference is quite big and for most even a couple of dollars difference. (search is exact so that's not the problem)

      Did they drop some kind of formula in market samurai to make it more realistic? :rolleyes:
      If you want to have more accurate CPC value for you AdSense site go to Google Contextual Targeting Tool and check there.
      CPC from Google Keyword tool is average bid that advertisers are willing to pay to show their ads on Google search page, it does not take into account AdSense which is Content/Delivery Network.
      And tool I'm mentioning above (GCTT) is showing how much people are paying for showing their ads on AdSense websites.
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      • Profile picture of the author AskJon
        Solid advices so far in this thread, but what I want to point out to help you is that since you are asking this question, you probably aren't very experienced in SEO and even if wikipedia and webmd can eventually be beat, I'd say you're better off finding an easier to rank domain to get to that #1 ranking easily and not getting discouraging in SEO. SEO really is all about risk/reward and maybe you should try to target easier keywords first to get a positive ROI and build momemtum from there!

        If you really want to beat them, check their on-page and if they are not SEO for the particular keyword you are after, you are prob. good to go if YOU do your on-page correctly (h tags, image alt tag, bold/italic your keywords, etc.). Get quality backlinks, outrank them and bank!
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  • Profile picture of the author outwest
    There are MANY many kws with way less competition, backlink wise, sitting at 1,2 positions on google
    i would keep looking
    yes you may eventually outrank that one but it would take too long
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  • Profile picture of the author Matt281
    I outrank wikipedia and webMD for a bunch of stuff and my site isn't that good. As long as they're not targeting your exact keyword, I'd do it. If they are, I wouldn't.

    For instance, if your keyword is "Vitamin B12 Capsules" and Wikipedia is ranked for it's article "Vitamin B12", you should be able to outrank that. However, if you're targeting "Foods high in vitamin D" and webMD has an article targeting that exact keyword, I wouldn't try it.
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  • Profile picture of the author dminorfmajor
    Here's what I can tell you and I know you know this too but sometimes hearing another person say it helps.

    You'll never make a dime if you don't try. I know it's cliche but it's very good advice. I've talked myself out of many ideas that I later regretted and like a lot of people here, I finally got fed up with niche sites and started an authority site. It's been well worth it man.

    If you don't go through with this site idea, I go research a niche you're pretty familiar with make an authority site. It beats writing about vacuum cleaners one day then tv remotes the next.
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    • Profile picture of the author Spartacus
      Originally Posted by Matt281 View Post

      I outrank wikipedia and webMD for a bunch of stuff and my site isn't that good. As long as they're not targeting your exact keyword, I'd do it. If they are, I wouldn't.

      For instance, if your keyword is "Vitamin B12 Capsules" and Wikipedia is ranked for it's article "Vitamin B12", you should be able to outrank that. However, if you're targeting "Foods high in vitamin D" and webMD has an article targeting that exact keyword, I wouldn't try it.
      Well, some pages have the exact keywords I would target and some combinations of. Not sure if I would say that they target those keywords, they rank for it but mostly because they are big medical authority sites that just cover alot of different things. It's not that they are building backlinks to those pages and target those keywords...seeing as those particular pages hardly have any backlinks according to seoquake (ahrefs). I'm not sure how reliable those stats are though.

      Originally Posted by dminorfmajor View Post

      Here's what I can tell you and I know you know this too but sometimes hearing another person say it helps.

      You'll never make a dime if you don't try. I know it's cliche but it's very good advice. I've talked myself out of many ideas that I later regretted and like a lot of people here, I finally got fed up with niche sites and started an authority site. It's been well worth it man.

      If you don't go through with this site idea, I go research a niche you're pretty familiar with make an authority site. It beats writing about vacuum cleaners one day then tv remotes the next.
      Building an authority site is something I've been thinking of, I just can't think of any topic yet to build it around.
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      • Profile picture of the author mrgood
        The big mistake you make here is that it doesn' matter the backlinks ammount, PR of that baclinks is what it counts !
        For example, if I have 1000 backlinks to my page and all of them are 0 and 1, it is worthless comparing to some page (lets say my direct competition) which have 10 backlinks, and all of them are PR 4 or higher.
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        • Profile picture of the author Spartacus
          I know that, I just didn't mention it. And to answer that, it's pretty tough.
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  • Profile picture of the author markowe
    I think it's doable, under the provisos that others have mentioned, but you should definitely work on good content too, especially the home page article, if that's how you are doing it.

    It is a whole lot easier to rank a really good, long, in-depth article these days than a crappy, thin 250-word outsourced job along the lines of "If you are considering buying vitamin B..."

    As well as link-building you should keep coming back to your homepage article and working on improving it (without straying TOO far from the main keyword) - adding subheadings, images, charts, tables, videos, and more detailed explanations of the subject, etc. etc, working up to at least 1000 and closer to 2000 words. You are aiming at making your article on your site THE killer article on that subject. That leads to lower bounce rates and greater time spent on your site, and my experience is that that stuff is counting these days and WILL help you hit that no. 1 spot, even if it takes a while.

    Also, add blog posts related to the main keyword - they can be VERY long-tail, it doesn't matter, they will help support your site for that general subject area and boost the main keyword.
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    • Profile picture of the author Spartacus
      Originally Posted by Kris79 View Post

      If you want to have more accurate CPC value for you AdSense site go to Google Contextual Targeting Tool and check there.
      CPC from Google Keyword tool is average bid that advertisers are willing to pay to show their ads on Google search page, it does not take into account AdSense which is Content/Delivery Network.
      And tool I'm mentioning above (GCTT) is showing how much people are paying for showing their ads on AdSense websites.
      Thanks, just checked it out. All keywords are between €1,30 - €2,20+, where as the normal keyword tool displays between €2,00 - €4,00+ CPC. The ones I would target with decent amount of searches. I also saw a couple of keywords (that I wouldn't be targetting anyway) where the CPC in the Google keyword tool goes up to €7,00 but the tool you suggested shows around €1,00. That's quite a difference.

      Still not sure but I think I'm going to look further for something that's probably easier to rank for.

      Thanks for the support sofar guys.
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      • Profile picture of the author Kris79
        Originally Posted by Spartacus View Post

        Thanks, just checked it out. All keywords are between €1,30 - €2,20+, where as the normal keyword tool displays between €2,00 - €4,00+ CPC. The ones I would target with decent amount of searches. I also saw a couple of keywords where the CPC in the Google keyword tool goes up to €7,00 but the tool you suggested shows around €1,00. That's quite a difference.

        Still not sure but I think I'm going to look further for something that's probably easier to rank for.

        Thanks for the support sofar guys.
        I've forgotten to write that you should also check advertiser competition: more advertisers there are, the better ads you get, and more clicks.
        You can use something as simple as Google Keyword Tool - there should be information indicating that competition is "high" "medium" or "low".
        You can also check AdPreview Google Tool and check your keywords for you targeted country and check how many ads there are on search results page.
        More ads people are buying, more you make on your AdSense clicks
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        • Profile picture of the author Spartacus
          Originally Posted by Kris79 View Post

          I've forgotten to write that you should also check advertiser competition: more advertisers there are, the better ads you get, and more clicks.
          You can use something as simple as Google Keyword Tool - there should be information indicating that competition is "high" "medium" or "low".
          You can also check AdPreview Google Tool and check your keywords for you targeted country and check how many ads there are on search results page.
          More ads people are buying, more you make on your AdSense clicks
          Most are normal and some are low.
          And with AdPreview most keywords show ads (3 - 5 links).
          I didn't know of AdPreview and the contextual tool but then again, I'm new to adsense. I'll be using it for my next searches.

          Btw, the CPC results of Market Samurai are pretty close to those of the Google Contextual Targeting Tool, the CPC in MS is a bit lower though.
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    Good luck, keep us updated on this post as you progress

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  • Profile picture of the author markowe
    I haven't used the Contextual tool much, but I did a little spot check on a few of my keywords and I can say that my ACTUAL average click value is about 30% of what the CTT is reporting. Maybe someone else can weigh in on that and confirm or deny this, but it's worth bearing in mind. Sites very often fail to meet earnings expectations, so be ready for that too! That's why it is worth targeting a wider range of keywords!
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    • Profile picture of the author Kris79
      Originally Posted by markowe View Post

      I haven't used the Contextual tool much, but I did a little spot check on a few of my keywords and I can say that my ACTUAL average click value is about 30% of what the CTT is reporting. Maybe someone else can weigh in on that and confirm or deny this, but it's worth bearing in mind. Sites very often fail to meet earnings expectations, so be ready for that too! That's why it is worth targeting a wider range of keywords!
      There is not a one tool that can tell you exactly how much money you will be making. In AdSense there are many factors:
      - AdSense can interpret your page differently and show ads for different keywords
      - you might be getting traffic from different countries and bids on ads are different
      - you might have "smart pricing" for ads on your site.
      - people might click on ads below the fold, and sometimes these clicks are cheaper.
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  • Profile picture of the author visimedia
    you can easily find high paying keywords for adsense using MARKET samurai.. and you better use [exact match] keywords when doing keywords search volume. and yes, there is free MS version
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    Go for it...and Make sure your posts are helpful for humans...Then you will be good to go...
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