How I went from $0 - $2000 in 3 months

by ukcarl
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Hi everyone I just wanted to add this thread about my experience in the last 3 months going full time online, hopefully it can act as a bit of motivation for those of you out there that may be struggling to get going and perhaps are not making any of much money yet.



This is something I feel anyone can achieve good results with, even people who are new to this industry, the process is basically building a network of small niche sites and monetizing them with Adsense or affiliate products.


Now I should add this is nothing new, it’s a technique that has been round for years, but its what’s working for me right now and its working really well, right now as I write this in February my Adsense income is going to exceed $1700 this month and other affiliate commissions will come in at about $500 so $2200 for the month and I only started doing this at the end of November.



Below is the full process I use to build these sites:


Keyword research

  • Each site is focused around just 1 keyword so I find a keyword with at least 1000 exact searches a month, which passes my criteria for low competition which are:
  • Under 100,000 competing pages in Google when searched in quotes the lower the better
  • Low first page competition (to measure this I use Micro Niche Finder)
  • Exact Match domain available in either of the following .com .org .net (sometimes I will add a suffix or prefix if these three are not available and the keyword is too good to pass on)
Setting up Site

For all my sites I use Wordpress, why? Simple because it’s easy to set up and you don’t need to know anything about code once the site is set up which takes about 10 minutes, I add the following plugins:
  • All in one SEO pack
  • Simple Google analytics
That’s it; in my experience I find I don’t need anything else.


Content

To start with these sites are small, I only add 3x500 word pages of original high quality content to begin with, this content is written for good onpage SEO but should add real value (not junk content) so the content follows the following rules:


  • High quality useful content
  • Keyword in the title
  • Keyword should be in the first and last paragraph and the one in the first paragraph should be in bold
  • I don’t concentrate that much on keyword density but generally 1 – 2%
  • LSI keywords, THIS IS REALLY IMPROTANT I like to use 5 – 10 LSI terms in my posts, I find these by searching the main keyword in Googles keyword tool, the results will be displayed in order of relevance so I choose a hand full to use in my posts.
  • When you add the content also use the LSI keywords in your keywords for the all in one seo pack and your tags.
  • Every post will be added to the same category which will be the main keyword.
Pages

As well as our content we also want to add an about page, a contact page and a privacy policy the about and contact are just simple short pages and I generate the privacy policy at the following site serprank.com/privacy-policy-generator


Monitize
Most of my sites are monetized with Adsense for this I am currently using CTR theme but this is up to you I can personally only speak for my own results with this theme, which are good .
Linkbuilding

My link building process is very simple but also very effective; I buy a social bookmarking gig on Fiverr.com for a couple hundred social bookmark back links, next I will take a new 300 word article and spin it and use it for submission using Unique Article Wizard (if you don’t pay for this tool monthly there are also fiverr gigs for this).


BOOOOOM that’s it done, I am currently building one of these sites a day and in roughly 3 months I have got to over $2000/month this month.


Now this technique is not for everyone and I know many people out there prefer the authority site model, but here’s the thing I don’t want to debate which is best, this is just what’s working for me right now, plus it is totally compliant with Googles Terms Of Service so this is totally legit.


What’s more is you will find that with testing so many niches you will find some real winners with this technique and there is nothing to stop you scaling these sites out to more of an authority site.


Here’s the thing this works FACT! The only thing that will stop you with this technique is not doing it


TAKE ACTION NOW!
#months
  • Profile picture of the author outwest
    Thanks very inspirational
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      • Profile picture of the author nik0
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        Nice man, so how much did this cost you a month?

        $15 for domain
        $5 for fiverr gig
        written content yourself so $0
        $5 for unique article wizard (in case we take fiverr gig)
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        $25,- * 30 days = $750/month, or did I forget something?

        And you now have a 100 sites or something close? If so $20/month/site is really not bad.

        Can't click your signature, would love to read your blog (not buy sites ). Pm me.
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  • Profile picture of the author ukcarl
    currently its costing me around $50 per site as I am outsourcing most of the process, but yes you are right at the beginning when I was doing it myself, its just domain costs and Fiverr gigs
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    • Profile picture of the author nik0
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      Nice site and good luck, you got inspired by AdsenseFlippers as well? Looks all very similiar with the income reports and such They make big bucks by selling a portion of their sites each month.
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      • Profile picture of the author ukcarl
        Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

        Nice site and good luck, you got inspired by AdsenseFlippers as well? Looks all very similiar with the income reports and such They make big bucks by selling a portion of their sites each month.
        I have to say seeing what the guys do over at Adsenseflippers.com is very inspiring and it again proves that this works and is a real scalable business
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    • Profile picture of the author klogfyr
      Originally Posted by ukcarl View Post

      currently its costing me around $50 per site as I am outsourcing most of the process, but yes you are right at the beginning when I was doing it myself, its just domain costs and Fiverr gigs
      You need to be careful as AdSense is cracking down on mini sites. Build one big authority site with lots of content. Sooner or later, you might end up with the dreaded AdSense Disabled email if you focus solely on 'micro site' approach:

      It is important for a site displaying AdSense to offer significant value
      to the end user by providing unique and relevant content, and not to place
      ads on sites with little to no original content. Additionally, Google ads
      may not be placed on non-content-based pages.
      All the best and it is quite inspirational.
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      • Profile picture of the author ukcarl
        Originally Posted by klogfyr View Post

        You need to be careful as AdSense is cracking down on mini sites. Build one big authority site with lots of content. Sooner or later, you might end up with the dreaded AdSense Disabled email if you focus solely on 'micro site' approach
        Nonsense, I would love to see even one shred of evidence you have about what you just said.

        My sites are small, but they are also high quality and give the user exactly what they are looking for. Why would Google penalize me for that?????
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        • Profile picture of the author Nathan251
          Originally Posted by ukcarl View Post

          Nonsense, I would love to see even one shred of evidence you have about what you just said.

          My sites are small, but they are also high quality and give the user exactly what they are looking for. Why would Google penalize me for that?????
          i don't think google is a fan of paid links Carl. Have you any fears about using UAW at all? Do you think it could come back to bite you on your behind?
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          • Profile picture of the author ukcarl
            Originally Posted by Nathan251 View Post

            i don't think google is a fan of paid links Carl. Have you any fears about using UAW at all? Do you think it could come back to bite you on your behind?
            It is not paying for links!

            UAW is an article distribution software, it is nothing like the blog networks that are being slapped right now.

            You pay for access to the software and to distribute your articles to sites and directories that are opted in to receive, content which they in turn must accept your content to be included on their sites.

            UAW doesn't own the sites in the network unlike BMR and similar sites that are suffering due to the recent Google slap.

            Hope this makes sense
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            • Profile picture of the author todawg_not
              Originally Posted by ukcarl View Post

              It is not paying for links!

              UAW is an article distribution software, it is nothing like the blog networks that are being slapped right now.

              You pay for access to the software and to distribute your articles to sites and directories that are opted in to receive, content which they in turn must accept your content to be included on their sites.

              UAW doesn't own the sites in the network unlike BMR and similar sites that are suffering due to the recent Google slap.

              Hope this makes sense

              ukCarl have you seen any changes or drop in rankings using UAW since BMR got de-indexed?

              Has the performance of UAW been affected by the Google blog de-indexings in any shape or form?

              Cheers

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              • Profile picture of the author ukcarl
                Originally Posted by todawg_not View Post

                ukCarl have you seen any changes or drop in rankings using UAW since BMR got de-indexed?

                Has the performance of UAW been affected by the Google blog de-indexings in any shape or form?

                Cheers

                Nigel
                I have seen no noticeable changes, with my sites, obviously I don't know the future but I feel in terms of what Google wants (fresh useful content) UAW has a lot more to offer.
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            • Profile picture of the author Nathan251
              Originally Posted by ukcarl View Post

              It is not paying for links!

              UAW is an article distribution software, it is nothing like the blog networks that are being slapped right now.

              You pay for access to the software and to distribute your articles to sites and directories that are opted in to receive, content which they in turn must accept your content to be included on their sites.

              UAW doesn't own the sites in the network unlike BMR and similar sites that are suffering due to the recent Google slap.

              Hope this makes sense
              Why not senukex then? a bit more expensive but far more powerful than UAW - why not give that a go Carl?
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    • Profile picture of the author hardnova
      Spot on! This is another tried and true modern method (Fiverr is a godsend) - I remember working 18hr x7days and my hair falling out to make 2k back in the late 90's and early 0's online. I wish I had Fiverr back then. The bottom line is, once you find a formula you have to put in the work, religiously. Nothing in = Nothing out.

      PM me, I have something to share with you.


      Originally Posted by ukcarl View Post

      currently its costing me around $50 per site as I am outsourcing most of the process, but yes you are right at the beginning when I was doing it myself, its just domain costs and Fiverr gigs
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  • Profile picture of the author glock67
    wow that iss a great strategy you've got i might just try it out for myself sometime soon.
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    • Profile picture of the author jwmann2
      Great strategy, thanks for sharing. The good thing about adding quality content is that you will eventually start to rank for lowly competitive words and get tons of free traffic as a result.
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  • Profile picture of the author Daniel Ya
    Thanks for your inspiring post!

    I have a couple of questions if you don't mind

    1. With the linkbuilding you are doing (Social Bookmarking + UAW), how long does it take to each site to rank well (let's say, Top 5)?
    2. How much time do you spend researching for each keyword?

    Thanks again!.
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    • Profile picture of the author ukcarl
      Originally Posted by Daniel Ya View Post

      Thanks for your inspiring post!

      I have a couple of questions if you don't mind

      1. With the linkbuilding you are doing (Social Bookmarking + UAW), how long does it take to each site to rank well (let's say, Top 5)?
      2. How much time do you spend researching for each keyword?

      Thanks again!.
      For link building I do both SB and UAW.

      It generally takes anywhere between a week to a month+ to reach top 5, I have had sites index and rank in days but I admit this is rare its quite common to see a site on page 2 in days and then it will usually move up as the links start taking affect.

      It honestly does vary but about 90% of my sites so far have made it to the top half of page 1
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    Not too shabby brother
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    thanks for the guide i do this stuff for living and i think you gave a great guide.
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  • Profile picture of the author JSProjects
    Just shows how easy it really is. People tend to get caught up in a million different "methods" when all it takes is a solid, basic plan and the ability to duplicate that plan.

    Oh, and tons of work initially. (Which is what causes most people to quit.)
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    • Profile picture of the author ukcarl
      Originally Posted by JSProjects View Post

      Just shows how easy it really is. People tend to get caught up in a million different "methods" when all it takes is a solid, basic plan and the ability to duplicate that plan.

      Oh, and tons of work initially. (Which is what causes most people to quit.)
      Very true once something works just rinse and repeat and don't get distracted by all the shiny Guru product launches and new fancy techniques, sometimes a good old fashioned proven method is all you need.

      This method is not very exciting but it means no more working for someone else in a job I'm the boss, I start when I want, finish when I want, I take a day of when I want, after all that is the reason we are all in this industry right
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      • Profile picture of the author Royalking
        Truely inspirational @ukcarl and will try it out and post the results on this thread.
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        • Profile picture of the author ukcarl
          Originally Posted by FridaK View Post

          If you are using "just 1 keyword", does it matter if the search is broad or exact? Or I misunderstood?
          I am a newbie too, if you could please elaborate...Thaks
          The search needs to be exact, I also think if yuo are a total newbie you would find the free 40 page guide on my site useful, sorry for the shameless plug, but Im sure it will give you a head start

          Originally Posted by Royalking View Post

          Truely inspirational @ukcarl and will try it out and post the results on this thread.
          Great Royalking looking forward to seeing your results feel free to shoot me a PM if you get stuck with anything
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    • Profile picture of the author lniskasaari
      Originally Posted by JSProjects View Post

      Just shows how easy it really is. People tend to get caught up in a million different "methods" when all it takes is a solid, basic plan and the ability to duplicate that plan.

      Oh, and tons of work initially. (Which is what causes most people to quit.)
      Very true...

      Well, I don`t like to work that much. That`s why I pick keyword that has a bit more competition and bit more traffic. I also outsource my article writing and I`m usually aiming to build sites that make at least $500-600 minimum / month. Takes more backlinking but more profitable...

      At first it seems like lots of work because you have low budget but as your "empire" gets bigger, you have money to outsource article writing and backlinking and push out several sites a week.

      -Lauri-
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    All are getting success after struggling a lot....
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      Hi Ukcarl,

      does CTR theme make the diferrence ?

      did you test with several themes about the convertions ?

      thanks
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    • Profile picture of the author Global Warrior
      Originally Posted by Vijaypravin View Post

      All are getting success after struggling a lot....
      That's the way IM works. There are very few ways to make money online without struggling first. That's the eduction phase.

      Great story.

      GW
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      • Profile picture of the author katarina1
        In my experience one site will make me up to $10/ month.I would have to have 100's of pages indexed and I can index only first page. I am happy for you because you can do it but I had people on this forum build blogs for me for a price and I still couldn't make more than that. It was in education and also electronics category. I guess it takes time to do that well.









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      • Profile picture of the author ukcarl
        Originally Posted by Global Warrior View Post

        That's the way IM works. There are very few ways to make money online without struggling first. That's the eduction phase.

        Great story.

        GW
        This is very true, the biggest problem most have is they dont want to put in the work first and thats the only way its going to happen. Right now I could take a week off and I would still earn $400 - $500.

        Thats the way it works you have to do lots of work to start with to get that privilege, but thats the beauty of IM you dont have to trade time like 9-5 for money you do work now and get paid for that work for years to come
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      • Profile picture of the author olamilekan2
        Congrats on your Achievement, Just keep up the work and scale up.
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        • Profile picture of the author dakar
          Originally Posted by virtueinfo11 View Post

          great sharing.

          wordpress is great for CMS, provide much more feature for website development[/B].
          more features than what? what are we comparing it to?
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          • Profile picture of the author CageyVet
            This is a very interesting thread and I will have to try out your method on a site or two Carl. I normally go for keywords with a bit more competition( in the yellow in MNF) due to the usually larger CPC and search volume. With that, I do make my sites with around 10+ pages to start and usually add at least 1 new page every 2-4 weeks.

            Your method definitely would not require nearly as much work overall and would be very quickly repeatable, which is the reason why I am interested. I have no idea if I missed this in the thread of not, but do you have a Fiverr Gig or two that you can recommend that you use for these types of sites?

            Also to "Builder154", I am not sure what you are doing wrong in your keyword finding process but just after reading this thread, looking at Carls PDF plus watching his quick keyword research video. I was able to follow his instructions exactly by going to ezine to find a topic and from that found 1 keyword that fits his criteria perfectly. Plus it had another keyword that was related to it that just was still green SOC but not quite $1.00 cpc, which would work well as a secondary page. The whole process took me less than 5 minutes, including waiting for MNF to retrieve results.

            So I am not sure why you are having such trouble.
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            • Profile picture of the author Builder154
              Originally Posted by CageyVet View Post

              Also to "Builder154", I am not sure what you are doing wrong in your keyword finding process but just after reading this thread, looking at Carls PDF plus watching his quick keyword research video. I was able to follow his instructions exactly by going to ezine to find a topic and from that found 1 keyword that fits his criteria perfectly. Plus it had another keyword that was related to it that just was still green SOC but not quite $1.00 cpc, which would work well as a secondary page. The whole process took me less than 5 minutes, including waiting for MNF to retrieve results.

              So I am not sure why you are having such trouble.
              I'm not sure either. Maybe you got lucky on a fluke early on and if you keep trying you won't find so many more so easily. Or maybe I'm doing something wrong. I really don't get it. I would love someone who is finding tens of these great keywords to tell me seed words to put in MNF and see if I pop up these good keywords too. But of course I doubt anyone will want to give away what they're finding. So all I can do is keep popping in seed keywords one after another and hope I figure out something.
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      • Profile picture of the author enterprisemind
        Very impressive. That much in that short period of time really speaks volumes about your work ethic. Keep up the good work. Also, continue to inspire and teach the rest of us.

        Thanks for the post
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      • Profile picture of the author bungto
        great experience!
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      • Profile picture of the author fraakz
        Inspirational story indeed. I guess you placed keywords at the right spot to attract traffic
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  • Profile picture of the author HKSEO Rotzee
    Nice job, feels good doesn't it!
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  • Profile picture of the author Elvis Michael
    Congrats....
    I was able to easily rank a .info domain doing a similar technique (these are just $1.99 or so). Clickthru rates are also pretty good.
    I'll try another .info domain and if im successful, i'll start relying on those as opposed to the more expensive .Com or .Org domains.
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    • Profile picture of the author greenowl123
      Originally Posted by Diablo2 View Post

      Congrats....
      I was able to easily rank a .info domain doing a similar technique (these are just $1.99 or so). Clickthru rates are also pretty good.
      I'll try another .info domain and if im successful, i'll start relying on those as opposed to the more expensive .Com or .Org domains.
      Yes, .info domains can get good SERP position too, if the keyword is not too competitive.

      I have about 10 .info domains in the top 5 of SERPs right now (in addition to my many .com and .net domains).
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  • Hi, Carl !

    Inspirational. Hopefully, I will get over my deadly disease in time... I have been suffering for far too long with an IM malady known as "shiny-object-itis"

    I have more ideas than time and have always been looking for the 'magic button' that will do all the work for me. I have not yet found it (probably because it doesn't exist).

    Your post and that of others here has been very helpful.

    Too, I have been paralyzed by the technical workings of html and WP.

    My html teacher died about 2 years ago, and so did my progress in html. It looks like I'll take the 'WP plunge' sooner than I had expected - your blog is beautiful - nicely laid out

    Thanks again, Carl and everyone else who posted here - it was very helpful

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  • Profile picture of the author patco
    Congrats. This is a great revenue, it is hard, but congrats once again for achieving this
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    • Profile picture of the author ukcarl
      Originally Posted by sonic74 View Post

      Hi Ukcarl,

      does CTR theme make the diferrence ?

      did you test with several themes about the convertions ?

      thanks
      I did try a few different free themes like prosense, and digital sniper but CTR Theme far outperforms them plus its easy to use so for the small price I just think its worth having rather than testing with free themes

      Originally Posted by Diablo2 View Post

      Congrats....
      I was able to easily rank a .info domain doing a similar technique (these are just $1.99 or so). Clickthru rates are also pretty good.
      I'll try another .info domain and if im successful, i'll start relying on those as opposed to the more expensive .Com or .Org domains.
      This is great keep it up and you will see more success, one bit of advice though the only problem with .info's is they may be harder to sell if you ever decide to go down that route
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      • Profile picture of the author WikiWarrior
        Congrats on your success Carl, really inspiring. That's really impressive to be getting those results so quickly, you've obviously got a great system in place to crank out those niche sites.

        By the way, what plugin do you use for your optin? Looks really slick.

        Keep up the great work.
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        • Profile picture of the author ukcarl
          Originally Posted by Adam Curry View Post

          May I ask how many sites have you got altogether to make that amount?
          I have around 50 Adsense sites and 5 affiliate sites my average for Adsense sites is about $35/month each, this is an average though some do much better and some do much worse.

          The adsense sites are only small though you can build one in a day easy

          Originally Posted by WikiWarrior View Post

          Congrats on your success Carl, really inspiring. That's really impressive to be getting those results so quickly, you've obviously got a great system in place to crank out those niche sites.

          By the way, what plugin do you use for your optin? Looks really slick.

          Keep up the great work.
          Thanks for the kind words Wikiwarrior.

          The optin form is actually a sidebar widget built into the theme I'm using
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  • Profile picture of the author Adam Curry
    May I ask how many sites have you got altogether to make that amount?
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  • Profile picture of the author GGpaul
    Damn man. Great information. I need to slap myself in the head. I am SUPER fortunate that I have all the resources, and all the damn time. I need to take advantage of that.
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  • Profile picture of the author steve0
    $35 a month per adsense site is very good - particularly if they're thin as you say.

    I notice you're from the UK, where abouts?
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  • Profile picture of the author nik0
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    Do you dripfeed UAW for 1 site the whole month with multiple articles or just one blast?
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  • Profile picture of the author marceauct
    Good for you i did'nt have as good of experience doing it alone, I think the key is letting a pro do it for you.
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  • Profile picture of the author feliciayapsl
    Great going! Started in November & you're already making $2k+ a month!
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  • Profile picture of the author TryBPO
    Thanks for the mention, nik0!

    Carl - Congrats, man...you're killing it out of the gates! Agree with your .info domain comment and being harder to sell. (or negatively affecting your multiple in a sale)

    Your process is extremely similar to ours, but I wonder why it is that your sites average $35/month when ours average around $10? I think if 90% of your sites are in the Top 5 on the first page that's the likely reason...our success rate isn't as high and the sites generally take a bit longer to rank. We've been slacking a bit on our linkbuilding as we've scaled out site creation, though...that could definitely be part of the problem.

    It's great that you've had some success and have stuck with it. So many don't. It's not easy the first 60-90 days if you don't see quite a bit of early success...you have to remind yourself that it WILL pay off. (All the while wondering if you're REALLY doing it right, if it's REALLY going to work, etc.!)

    Best of luck to you!
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    This is very impressive stuff, good work! Have you tried other methods of advertising? For example, affiliate ads or selling clickbank products? I do like AdSense, but I personally don't see it as the best earner out there. If you can get a good site going in, say, the gambling market, you can rake it in on affiliate sign-ups.

    Also wanted to say that your process is extremely similar at root level to Andrew Macleod's "Profit Storm" course (available as a WSO). If anyone is interested in trying Carl's method but would like a fully fledged course to help them through, i can highly recommend that.
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  • Profile picture of the author JawadAshraf
    That's a nice strategy guys but don't ever put all of your eggs in one basket. If Google kick you out from Adsense then you will be zero at-once. That's why mix it up with affiliate marketing related to your micro niche sites and you will be booming.

    Cheers,

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    • Profile picture of the author ukcarl
      Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

      Do you dripfeed UAW for 1 site the whole month with multiple articles or just one blast?
      With UAW I just drip feed at 20 articles a day and I also create at least 10 different resource boxes using LSI keywords as anchor text as well as my main keyword

      Originally Posted by TryBPO View Post

      Thanks for the mention, nik0!

      Carl - Congrats, man...you're killing it out of the gates! Agree with your .info domain comment and being harder to sell. (or negatively affecting your multiple in a sale)

      Your process is extremely similar to ours, but I wonder why it is that your sites average $35/month when ours average around $10? I think if 90% of your sites are in the Top 5 on the first page that's the likely reason...our success rate isn't as high and the sites generally take a bit longer to rank. We've been slacking a bit on our linkbuilding as we've scaled out site creation, though...that could definitely be part of the problem.

      It's great that you've had some success and have stuck with it. So many don't. It's not easy the first 60-90 days if you don't see quite a bit of early success...you have to remind yourself that it WILL pay off. (All the while wondering if you're REALLY doing it right, if it's REALLY going to work, etc.!)

      Best of luck to you!
      Hi guys nice to see you in the thread I think the $35 is a little skewed due to 2 really heavy hitters that I have, the highest this month has done over $300 it seems to be a really trending subject, hopefully the trend will stick .

      I think my process is quite similar to yours, but if I'm honest the initial concept is my version of Google Sniper (the first 1) mixed with a few of my own little twists, I have to say though, it was probably your site that got me pumped and decided to really go for it.

      Originally Posted by JawadAshraf View Post

      That's a nice strategy guys but don't ever put all of your eggs in one basket. If Google kick you out from Adsense then you will be zero at-once. That's why mix it up with affiliate marketing related to your micro niche sites and you will be booming.

      Cheers,

      Jawad
      Good point Jawad.

      I have an initial goal of $3000 Adsense and then I am going to switch to something else, perhaps Amazon, I will be using a similar process but obviously the content will have to be slightly different in order to pre-sell products.

      The reason I have started with Adsense is its just so easy all you need to do is drive traffic there is no need to sell I would consider it the foundations of my business, but I will certainly be looking to diversify.
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  • Profile picture of the author Cyber Rankings
    Hi Carl

    Vey nice work my friend, it's great to see people sticking at it and getting results. I myself have hundreds of niche websites and the best advice I could give is to diversify your income.

    I noticed that you mention you will be making some sites to sell amazon products which is a great idea. I never really create a site "just for adsense" or "just for amazon".

    What i generally do is create the website and slap on adsense. Once it's ranking and getting traffic I will leave it for two weeks with adsense and then two weeks with amazon. At the end I just compare the two, you will be amazed at how some sites will only earn £10-£15 with adsense and yet they convert like crazy with amazon and earn 10x that, or the other way round. It's a bit of extra effort but at least you end up getting the maximum revenue for each site.

    Anyways congrats on your success and I suppose I don't need to tell you too "rinse and repeat" Lol
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    • Profile picture of the author ukcarl
      Originally Posted by Cyber Rankings View Post

      Hi Carl

      Vey nice work my friend, it's great to see people sticking at it and getting results. I myself have hundreds of niche websites and the best advice I could give is to diversify your income.

      I noticed that you mention you will be making some sites to sell amazon products which is a great idea. I never really create a site "just for adsense" or "just for amazon".

      What i generally do is create the website and slap on adsense. Once it's ranking and getting traffic I will leave it for two weeks with adsense and then two weeks with amazon. At the end I just compare the two, you will be amazed at how some sites will only earn £10-£15 with adsense and yet they convert like crazy with amazon and earn 10x that, or the other way round. It's a bit of extra effort but at least you end up getting the maximum revenue for each site.

      Anyways congrats on your success and I suppose I don't need to tell you too "rinse and repeat" Lol
      Cheers for the comment, where are you in the UK?

      I agree with what you are saying I have a site that I monetize with a CPA offer that currently makes about $250/month the same site only made about $40 a month with Adsense.

      Things like this are for the near future, but I am almost in Auto pilot at the minute with my process and things are going prety smoothly, adding testing into the mix would just slow me down at present, its something I will be looking at when I reach my goal of $3000 a month in pure Adsense income.

      One step at a time
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  • Profile picture of the author kajol shafiq
    Hi Carl,

    Thanks for your blueprint for earning a few thousand dollars every month through adsense. However, I have one question for you. You said you use micro niche finder for your keyword research and you are quite happy about it. But of late people who are buying micro niche finder are really expressing their disgust and frustration for having bought such an useless tool, for it doesn't work properly. What is take on this? Should one still go for this tool?
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    • Profile picture of the author ukcarl
      Originally Posted by kajol shafiq View Post

      Hi Carl,

      Thanks for your blueprint for earning a few thousand dollars every month through adsense. However, I have one question for you. You said you use micro niche finder for your keyword research and you are quite happy about it. But of late people who are buying micro niche finder are really expressing their disgust and frustration for having bought such an useless tool, for it doesn't work properly. What is take on this? Should one still go for this tool?
      It does have a few bugs from time to time but it is really well supported.

      Most issues arise from Google constantly updating their keyword tool where the data comes from, but I find they are usually on top of issues fast, and to be fair this is going to be the same for any tool that pulls data from Google.

      At the end of the day different people like different tools, I have used most of the more common ones and MNF is just my favorite.
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  • Profile picture of the author anarki450
    great info, Thanks for sharing.

    @kajol shafiq,
    I myself havent try micro niche finder. However I came through a really good keyword research tool call "Ultimate Niche Finder" and I think the WSO is still open. Currently I'm still using Brad's Niche Finder and Market Samurai for certain stuff, but mainly using Ultimate Niche Finder now and I'm loving it. It generates 30k long tail keywords and check SEO difficulties really quick, but you would need proxies and some temporary adwords account because the speed it generates stuff. Another good thing I like is that the creator update really quick too if you have issues. Might be something worth to take a look at. (I'm not an affiliate and I think that product is not available to promote anyway)
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  • Profile picture of the author gittar1122
    All your sites are in same micro niche or entirely different niche or somewhat related? Have you interlinked theses domains? All these domains hosted at same hosting? Dedicated or Shared IP? I hope this information is not confidential.
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  • Profile picture of the author ktonline
    Always diversify your income because if something goes wrong with lets say Adsense and your account gets banned, you could be in a big trouble if that is the only income stream you have. I have sites on adsense, amazon, and many other methods to get my income flowing.
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    • Profile picture of the author options
      I don't understand why you need to have 50 sites to make that kind of money, chances are you will never update the content on those sites so they will start to loose rankings and money.

      I have 3 sites which target high paying niches and they make over £60 per day. And I can update the content each month.

      They are harder to rank because I target high paying niches with quite high search volume at least 7,000 searches per month. But I would rather rank 3 sites with medium to difficult competition than I would rank 50 sites.
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      • Profile picture of the author Msaeed
        Originally Posted by options View Post

        I don't understand why you need to have 50 sites to make that kind of money, chances are you will never update the content on those sites so they will start to loose rankings and money.

        I have 3 sites which target high paying niches and they make over £60 per day. And I can update the content each month.

        They are harder to rank because I target high paying niches with quite high search volume at least 7,000 searches per month. But I would rather rank 3 sites with medium to difficult competition than I would rank 50 sites.
        Are you monetizing these with adsense?
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        • Profile picture of the author options
          Originally Posted by Msaeed View Post

          Are you monetizing these with adsense?
          Yep all on Adsense nothing else
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      • Profile picture of the author ukcarl
        Originally Posted by options View Post

        I don't understand why you need to have 50 sites to make that kind of money, chances are you will never update the content on those sites so they will start to loose rankings and money.

        I have 3 sites which target high paying niches and they make over £60 per day. And I can update the content each month.

        They are harder to rank because I target high paying niches with quite high search volume at least 7,000 searches per month. But I would rather rank 3 sites with medium to difficult competition than I would rank 50 sites.
        Hi Options,

        Thanks for your comment, but I did say I didnt really want this thread to be a debate between the 2 business models, the fact is they both work, if you don't like this model stick with what your doing
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      • Profile picture of the author Asia_Monique
        Originally Posted by options View Post

        I don't understand why you need to have 50 sites to make that kind of money, chances are you will never update the content on those sites so they will start to loose rankings and money.

        I have 3 sites which target high paying niches and they make over £60 per day. And I can update the content each month.

        They are harder to rank because I target high paying niches with quite high search volume at least 7,000 searches per month. But I would rather rank 3 sites with medium to difficult competition than I would rank 50 sites.

        I like your idea. That's more along the lines of what i'm trying to do. I have 2 sites now, and have ideas for about 12 all together. But I don't want to have to make 100's of sites to generate an income. I'm really into the niches i've chosen and really believe in the info i put on my sites. I'd like to find a way to maximize my income with maybe 20 or so sites altogether.
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      • Profile picture of the author 4morereferrals
        Originally Posted by options View Post

        I don't understand why you need to have 50 sites to make that kind of money, chances are you will never update the content on those sites so they will start to loose rankings and money.

        I have 3 sites which target high paying niches and they make over £60 per day. And I can update the content each month.

        They are harder to rank because I target high paying niches with quite high search volume at least 7,000 searches per month. But I would rather rank 3 sites with medium to difficult competition than I would rank 50 sites.

        All good till a google algo change whacks 2 of your 3 beauties and the clicks dry up.
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  • Profile picture of the author Coachdirk
    This is WSO stuff. Thanks for sharing Carl. One question; which hosting service (hostgator) and package do you use?
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  • Profile picture of the author ukcarl
    I use Hostgator Baby plan.

    Also no need to sell a WSO there is a 40 page guide free on my site
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    • Profile picture of the author Blackman75
      Originally Posted by ukcarl View Post

      I use Hostgator Baby plan.

      Also no need to sell a WSO there is a 40 page guide free on my site
      Can I get the link to your site with the 40 page guide?
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  • Profile picture of the author Msaeed
    Carl, do you use the same hosting for all of your sites? If so, aren't you worried that Google will catch on and penalise your sites?
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  • Profile picture of the author DeskCoder
    I would add an XML sitemap generator to your plugins ... it will help search engines crawl your site (though if your sites are small, then you may not need it).

    I would also stay away from the social bookmarking campaigns ... they are only going to get you sandboxed. Try testing some of your newer sites without the social bookmarks ... you will probably have the same results, maybe even better.
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  • Profile picture of the author AGP
    well done carl a very inspirational post, this is my very first day on the forum and have been looking into IM the last month, i have read so much over the last month and im suffering with information overload.

    Do you have any advise words or encouragement for a newbie?

    Will read your blog and try and copy your process

    All the best
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    • Profile picture of the author ukcarl
      Originally Posted by AGP View Post

      well done carl a very inspirational post, this is my very first day on the forum and have been looking into IM the last month, i have read so much over the last month and im suffering with information overload.

      Do you have any advise words or encouragement for a newbie?

      Will read your blog and try and copy your process

      All the best
      The best advice I can give is just stick at one thing, the other thing I can tell you is this definitely works, but here is the thing, you need to put some work in and if you want success to come relatively fast you need to invest some money.

      The biggest mistake I see people new to the industry make is they dont want to spend money, they want to make fast money, they don't want to work much, forget all these 3 things this is a business like any other, on or offline and you should treat it that way.

      The other option is go chasing magic bullet, get rich quick BS and this will lead you to doing what 95% of people end up doing buying useless product after useless product and never getting anywhere, just get stuck in if you want it and your focused you will get success
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    • Profile picture of the author ukcarl
      Originally Posted by AGP View Post

      well done carl a very inspirational post, this is my very first day on the forum and have been looking into IM the last month, i have read so much over the last month and im suffering with information overload.

      Do you have any advise words or encouragement for a newbie?

      Will read your blog and try and copy your process

      All the best
      Here goes!

      The best advice I can give is don't expect results without work and possibly (well definitely) at least a small investment.

      If you follow the majority of the people trying to make money in IM who have a get rich quick, spend no money mentality you will be stuck looking for that way to make money for the foreseeable future, just find something LIKE THIS that is proven and works and get stuck in.

      Also don't forget, everyone in this forum has had the day in their IM career when they were making no money and eventually made their first dollar, trust me its the hardest one to make but after that the only way is up
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  • Profile picture of the author jordanberg2311
    not bad for a small site with 3x 500 words

    imagine if you have 10-20 of those sites Kaching
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    • Profile picture of the author ukcarl
      Originally Posted by jordanberg2311 View Post

      not bad for a small site with 3x 500 words

      imagine if you have 10-20 of those sites Kaching
      I actually have about 50.

      But heres the thing it took me 3 month I am no different from anyone one this forum, I have 10 fingers and 10 toes and no connections in this industry, take the plan and run with it, you will be the next person posting a similar thread
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    • Profile picture of the author ebuyer123
      Originally Posted by jordanberg2311 View Post

      not bad for a small site with 3x 500 words

      imagine if you have 10-20 of those sites Kaching
      Is the big G still loves thin site of 3x500 words?:rolleyes:
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      • Profile picture of the author TopBackBuilder
        Originally Posted by ebuyer123 View Post

        Is the big G still loves thin site of 3x500 words?:rolleyes:
        If you're the best candidate for that keyword, then I'd imagine so

        I read over your ebook again cause I like referring back to it once in a while.

        There's a few concerns that I have:

        1. The linkbuilding strategy in the guide only talks about using the fiverr social bookmarking gig, was this at one point really your only strategy?
        2. Why did you claim that micro niche sites average at $50-150 per month? Your sites seem to be averaging at $27 per month according to your income reports.
        It's not a big deal I was just a little confused, if it was a way to hype this process up a little bit to help your affiliate sales, then as another im'er I totally understand and respect that.

        Originally Posted by ukcarl View Post

        With UAW I just drip feed at 20 articles a day and I also create at least 10 different resource boxes using LSI keywords as anchor text as well as my main keyword
        So there are two links in your resource box? one link is an lsi keyword anchor text, and one is your main keyword anchor text?

        I saw this post in passing a long time ago and have been digging for it for a couple hours as I was conflicted about how I should vary my anchor text.

        Carl, you really should add this technique to your blog and make it more known to the public.
        It goes hand-in-hand with your onpage LSI seo strategy, brilliant!
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  • Profile picture of the author Shawn Wilson
    Great thread! I've got some niche sites that have dropped in rankings lately, maybe I need to follow this blueprint and see if I can get them back on top.

    Thanks for the inspirational share.
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    • Profile picture of the author ekibum
      This is such precise tutorial and its really means a lot to us beginners in the Internet marketing. Thank you
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  • Profile picture of the author mrtrance
    The 3x500 word articles that you add to your site at first are all 3 of them targeting the same keyword which is also used as your exact match domain?

    When doing your research on MNF for your keyword do you go after ones that are in "green" and anything with a SOC of "50" or less or do you go lower than that and go after ones like "10" or below?

    Any minimum CPC you want the keyword to have? $1.00 and higher?

    With your link building are you building all your links to your homepage with your anchor text or do you build links to your 2 internal pages as well since they are focused on same keyword as well?
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    • Profile picture of the author ukcarl
      Originally Posted by mrtrance View Post

      The 3x500 word articles that you add to your site at first are all 3 of them targeting the same keyword which is also used as your exact match domain?

      When doing your research on MNF for your keyword do you go after ones that are in "green" and anything with a SOC of "50" or less or do you go lower than that and go after ones like "10" or below?

      Any minimum CPC you want the keyword to have? $1.00 and higher?

      With your link building are you building all your links to your homepage with your anchor text or do you build links to your 2 internal pages as well since they are focused on same keyword as well?
      WOW! such a good question.

      Here goes:

      • Yes all articles are targeting 1 keyoword , heres the thing every article is a different spin on the keyword. Think price, alternates, etc, etc
      • In MNF I do look for green under 50 but yes of course the lower the better, also I tend to filter over 500, WHY? well sometimes a keyord with a CPC of $2+ is worth less volume
      • Minimum CPC is usually no less than $1 but again 5000 searches at $0.50 will still work (use your own due dillegence)
      • With links its simple , I do however try to vary anchor text, but yes links are generally to first page
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      • Profile picture of the author dminorfmajor
        Originally Posted by ukcarl View Post

        WOW! such a good question.

        Here goes:

        • Yes all articles are targeting 1 keyoword , heres the thing every article is a different spin on the keyword. Think price, alternates, etc, etc
        • In MNF I do look for green under 50 but yes of course the lower the better, also I tend to filter over 500, WHY? well sometimes a keyord with a CPC of $2+ is worth less volume
        • Minimum CPC is usually no less than $1 but again 5000 searches at $0.50 will still work (use your own due dillegence)
        • With links its simple , I do however try to vary anchor text, but yes links are generally to first page
        Good info man. I'm glad to see I'm still not the only one using MNF.
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        • Profile picture of the author ukcarl
          Originally Posted by tronsmith View Post

          Thank you very much for your post. A real inspiration and some great tips.

          I am just wondering if you use a specific person/specific people on fiverr for your gigs?

          If so, could you please let me know?

          All the best.

          Ryan.
          Just search social bookmarking in the top right then order by popularity thats all I do I use a few providers

          Originally Posted by VipsK View Post

          great idea and thanks for sharing this, always nice to hear a positive story which is also very inspiring too
          Thanks glad you liked it, by the way love Gothenberg, am usually in Sweden a couple of times a year, my mother in law lives in Bohuslan

          Originally Posted by dminorfmajor View Post

          Good info man. I'm glad to see I'm still not the only one using MNF.
          Yeah, its a great tool, my favorite by far, its very simple and it just delivers the goods
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          • Profile picture of the author amolwagh
            Hey Thanks ukcarl,

            I guess your thread will end my desperate search to build the passive income with niche sites.

            Though I am already earning significantly from blogging and helping local businesses in SEO, which takes hell of a hardwork and I end up having only 3-4 big sites as my properties.

            I truly wanted to expand my business around web and I guess your method will help me setup a lot of extra niche setups soon.

            Big THANKS Again!
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          • Profile picture of the author TheBear89
            Great Info here! I'm just getting started myself and this is some inspirational stuff!
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  • Profile picture of the author DSepanik
    Great looking site!
    I am happy to here how good you are doing.
    This could help a lot of people to get started in the right direction.
    Best of luck.
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  • Profile picture of the author outwest
    The only thing I wonder about is whats the difference between all these small MFA sites, that google is either deindexing or slapping hard.............and these sites with 3 to 5page 500 word articles/ sites that a lot of guys seem to be doing lately?

    are the ones google is slapping one page wonders?
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    • Profile picture of the author nik0
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      Originally Posted by outwest View Post

      The only thing I wonder about is whats the difference between all these small MFA sites, that google is either deindexing or slapping hard.............and these sites with 3 to 5page 500 word articles/ sites that a lot of guys seem to be doing lately?

      are the ones google is slapping one page wonders?
      Guys like AdsenseFlippers have also gone through the process where a whole batch of sites was deindexed or just huge drops in rankings. I guess it's part of the business. Imo there is no difference between MFA sites and these micro sites, the only thing you can do is try to make it look a bit nicer and make sure the content is somewhat usefull.
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  • Great post. Glad to see you getting some quality results as well.

    Well done!
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  • Profile picture of the author outwest
    i prefer category landing pages (silo landing pages) with about 1500-2000 words each which act as mini authority sites on their own

    supporting each silo is about 10 internal pages, with 1000 word posts each
    i know that takes longer but

    1. google loves longer posts
    2. the longer the post, (page) the more information you can pack into it, and the less it looks like a doorway page or MFA page which it should look nothing like that if its an Adsense site anyways. There should be no affiliate links on it, just Adsense

    That way if google sees my pages they say hey, this guy is providing a valuable information site with lots of pages and information, thats what we WANT

    i dont want a bunch of 500 word posts that they can say........what is this? Fluff?
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    • Profile picture of the author Laubster
      Originally Posted by outwest View Post

      i prefer category landing pages (silo landing pages) with about 1500-2000 words each which act as mini authority sites on their own

      supporting each silo is about 10 internal pages, with 1000 word posts each
      i know that takes longer but

      1. google loves longer posts
      2. the longer the post, (page) the more information you can pack into it, and the less it looks like a doorway page or MFA page which it should look nothing like that if its an Adsense site anyways. There should be no affiliate links on it, just Adsense

      That way if google sees my pages they say hey, this guy is providing a valuable information site with lots of pages and information, thats what we WANT
      I forget who posted it but a few weeks ago a guy said that he was ranking on page one SUPER fast by writing 5,000 word posts. Now obviously the idea of writing a 5k word post is intimidating, but I think everyone should try it and see how their rankings go. Google does in fact seem to LOVE long posts.
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      • Profile picture of the author henjon
        Originally Posted by Laubster View Post

        I forget who posted it but a few weeks ago a guy said that he was ranking on page one SUPER fast by writing 5,000 word posts. Now obviously the idea of writing a 5k word post is intimidating, but I think everyone should try it and see how their rankings go. Google does in fact seem to LOVE long posts.
        Saw that post too.
        The big "?" in all of this is how the manual reviews are made, and unless one of the guys writing on this here forum are a manuel reviewer themselves or know somebody who are, we wont really know how it is done.
        One can only guess as to how they go about it and what they look out for. First of all we must presume that they do not spend a whole lot of time on each site. Most likely that just quickly look over the quality of the written material on the frontpage, looking for keyword stuffing , bolded out keywords, bad grammer and puntuation etc.
        The they look at the theme. Does it look minimalistic or like an xfactor theme that the webmaster just set up without taking the time to edit coloration, making a logo etc.

        To be honest.. If YOU were a reviewperson and you came across a site with 3 pages of content that although unique might be having some bad punctuation and perhaps seem a bit stuffed with longtails. And the layout of the site consisted of a typical CTR or Clickbump theme with no proper logo (just a wordpress text title). and with the same box structure.
        And last but not least, noticed that the domain age is only 4-7 days and this site already is showing adsense. Then what would you do?

        I dont have the solution, just some ugly experiences on what happens when G lays its eye upon you. The 5000 word post might not be such a bad idea, but I would think that spritzing up a site with a unique logo, redoing the WP themes used, pictures and vids along with good unique and proofread material would get you a looong way.
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  • Profile picture of the author tycoon828
    Hi, Carl

    Can I ask what's your average monthly exact local search volume for each keyword?

    I have heard many people said that 1000 exact search...... but I think that's too less. Even if you rank NO1, you can only get about 400 visitors/month. If you get 3% CTR, you will get 12 ad clicks. And if you get $0.5 per click, then you can make $6.00 per site per month.

    So what's your average search volume for each keyword?
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    • Profile picture of the author kajol shafiq
      Hi carl,

      I was just wondering whether one can replicate this model using blogger blog and put adsense into them? At least, newbies with little or no resources can try that model, any thought?

      Also, do you put affiliate links along with adsense or do you separate them altogether?
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      • Profile picture of the author ukcarl
        Originally Posted by kajol shafiq View Post

        Hi carl,

        I was just wondering whether one can replicate this model using blogger blog and put adsense into them? At least, newbies with little or no resources can try that model, any thought?

        Also, do you put affiliate links along with adsense or do you separate them altogether?
        Sure this could work, but here is my advice from me to you dont be afraid to invest a small amount to invest in your own sites (your own business) you dont own blogger blogs, just buy hosting and a domain name its not expensive
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    • Profile picture of the author nik0
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      Originally Posted by tycoon828 View Post

      Hi, Carl

      Can I ask what's your average monthly exact local search volume for each keyword?

      I have heard many people said that 1000 exact search...... but I think that's too less. Even if you rank NO1, you can only get about 400 visitors/month. If you get 3% CTR, you will get 12 ad clicks. And if you get $0.5 per click, then you can make $6.00 per site per month.

      So what's your average search volume for each keyword?
      Personally I try to go after 2k exact search with $1.50 cpc, keep in mind that you also target other long tails on the same site, when you have 4-5 pages of content so in total you would get too around 4k exact searches.

      So if you were on position 1 for all keywords (which is unrealistic btw) but just to illustrate your example. Then you would get 1600 visitors. Assume you have a CTR of 7% which is more realistic imo (3% would be real bad, I have sites with 25% CTR). So that's 1600*0.07*$1 = $112/month.

      Ofcourse we are way too optimistic here and instead you should expect to get around 5-10% of those 4000 searchers (based on your positions) so that would make you between $14,- and $28,- a month.
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  • Profile picture of the author Suzaku
    just this linkbuilding My link building process is very simple but also very effective; I buy a social bookmarking gig on Fiverr.com for a couple hundred social bookmark back links, next I will take a new 300 word article and spin it and use it for submission using Unique Article Wizard (if you don't pay for this tool monthly there are also fiverr gigs for this).

    you can get your site 1st page right?
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    • Profile picture of the author outwest
      Originally Posted by Suzaku View Post

      just this linkbuilding My link building process is very simple but also very effective; I buy a social bookmarking gig on Fiverr.com for a couple hundred social bookmark back links, next I will take a new 300 word article and spin it and use it for submission using Unique Article Wizard (if you don't pay for this tool monthly there are also fiverr gigs for this).

      you can get your site 1st page right?
      first page only, isnt much traffic unless the kw is in the 100 thousands exact/m,onth
      you should be top 3 ideally, to get any traffic
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    Here's the thing this works FACT! The only thing that will stop you with this technique is not doing it


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  • Profile picture of the author Rally Writer
    Hi ukcarl,

    I am unable to send nor reply PM due to my limited post.

    BTW, you mentioned 50 adsense sites and 5 affiliate site. May I know which hosting you are using if you don't mind me asking?

    I heard most who are using hostgator had issues whenever their sites reached 40 sites. So other alternative is bluehost.

    Appreciate your feedback on this.

    Thanks.

    Shahril
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    • Profile picture of the author ukcarl
      Originally Posted by Rally Writer View Post

      Hi ukcarl,

      I am unable to send nor reply PM due to my limited post.

      BTW, you mentioned 50 adsense sites and 5 affiliate site. May I know which hosting you are using if you don't mind me asking?

      I heard most who are using hostgator had issues whenever their sites reached 40 sites. So other alternative is bluehost.

      Appreciate your feedback on this.

      Thanks.

      Shahril
      Yeah I am using Hosgator, the issue with blue host is they only offer shared hosting, Hostgator offer shared, VPS and dedicated servers, for me they are the obvious best choice.

      In regards to space I am certainly getting to a point where I am soon going to need another, or new hosting account to handle the traffic
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      • Profile picture of the author jivens
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        Originally Posted by ukcarl View Post

        Yeah I am using Hosgator, the issue with blue host is they only offer shared hosting, Hostgator offer shared, VPS and dedicated servers, for me they are the obvious best choice.

        In regards to space I am certainly getting to a point where I am soon going to need another, or new hosting account to handle the traffic

        Look into site5.com. They have the best service around and you get to pick your server location and see it's uptime stats. They also have a turbo account where all of your sites have their own cpanel for 13.95 per month! Also, they have a free month to begin with with free site migration! They rock my face off!
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  • Profile picture of the author Ernie G
    Carl,

    Thanks for sharing this with us. I have something like a dozen sites going and rarely make much more than $3 from Adsense. The information you've provided here, along with all the helpful comments by others could really help me turn things around.

    Blessings,

    Ernie G
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  • Profile picture of the author Ansari
    That is a really good technique that has some real potential.
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  • Profile picture of the author porkchopexpress
    Hello everyone, this is my first post here, but I need to get down to business, so I would like to save the formalities for an intro post...I have been studying, so I understand some concepts but I need some help, this is directed at ukcarl but anyone that can help and is willing is more than welcome to answer.

    Originally Posted by ukcarl View Post

    [*]Low first page competition (to measure this I use Micro Niche Finder)
    So I downloaded the $7 trial for MNF. I played around with it for hours last night, and I am getting some basic niche finding done, by just putting in random keywords. I also used Google keyword tool to help make decisions. GKT told me competition was low, MNF put SOC at 105. What does this mean? What is SOC and what number do I want? I havent found a single niche yet with a green check for SOC, like maybe under 25.

    Originally Posted by ukcarl View Post

    [*]Exact Match domain available in either of the following .com .org .net (sometimes I will add a suffix or prefix if these three are not available and the keyword is too good to pass on)
    How about .info domains? A prefixed or suffixed name is better than a .info domain? I heard google does not like .infos, but then that they are fine, right here on WF. I know its probably a tossup, but as a beginner should I not buy .infos?

    Originally Posted by ukcarl View Post

    Most of my sites are monetized with Adsense for this I am currently using CTR theme but this is up to you I can personally only speak for my own results with this theme, which are good
    Why the CTR theme? Can a theme be more optimized than another? I understand basically the rest of your post, but I am still learning. If anyone could give me input, I would be appreciative. Thanks for the great original post as well.

    EDIT TO ADD: Also, I have a question about hosting...Due to my circumstances, I dont have enough money to buy dedicated hosting for each website if I am to follow this model and try to build 1 a day. Suggestions? Just build what I can afford, when I can afford it? Or buy a single account to host multiple sites, and change them later? Or just use Blogger pages?
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    • Profile picture of the author razorhound
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      Originally Posted by porkchopexpress View Post

      Hello everyone, this is my first post here, but I need to get down to business, so I would like to save the formalities for an intro post...I have been studying, so I understand some concepts but I need some help, this is directed at ukcarl but anyone that can help and is willing is more than welcome to answer.



      So I downloaded the $7 trial for MNF. I played around with it for hours last night, and I am getting some basic niche finding done, by just putting in random keywords. I also used Google keyword tool to help make decisions. GKT told me competition was low, MNF put SOC at 105. What does this mean? What is SOC and what number do I want? I havent found a single niche yet with a green check for SOC, like maybe under 25.

      GKT shows you the adword competition, it's different from MNF.

      How about .info domains? A prefixed or suffixed name is better than a .info domain? I heard google does not like .infos, but then that they are fine, right here on WF. I know its probably a tossup, but as a beginner should I not buy .infos?

      You can easily rank .info just like any other TLD, you should go for it.

      Why the CTR theme? Can a theme be more optimized than another? I understand basically the rest of your post, but I am still learning. If anyone could give me input, I would be appreciative. Thanks for the great original post as well.

      CTR theme is pretty good and you should check out clickbump as well.

      EDIT TO ADD: Also, I have a question about hosting...Due to my circumstances, I dont have enough money to buy dedicated hosting for each website if I am to follow this model and try to build 1 a day. Suggestions? Just build what I can afford, when I can afford it? Or buy a single account to host multiple sites, and change them later? Or just use Blogger pages?

      You don't need dedicated hosting, just get the normal shared hosting will do, for example hostgator baby plan and you can host 10, 20 or more sites with one single account.
      Bryan
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      • Profile picture of the author RimaNaj2011
        How much do each site make on average? Just social bookmarking and UAW to get ranked is impressive. I'm assuming each site makes only a few bucks a day or you are a beast at keyword research.
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        • Profile picture of the author theverysmartguy
          Originally Posted by RimaNaj2011 View Post

          How much do each site make on average? Just social bookmarking and UAW to get ranked is impressive. I'm assuming each site makes only a few bucks a day or you are a beast at keyword research.
          He has mentioned that he has bout 50 sites each making about $35 /month, plus several affiliate sites as well.

          Remember, this is not a maximum. If he wanted to, he could easily build up those sites to make even more money.
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          • Profile picture of the author RimaNaj2011
            Originally Posted by theverysmartguy View Post

            He has mentioned that he has bout 50 sites each making about $35 /month, plus several affiliate sites as well.

            Remember, this is not a maximum. If he wanted to, he could easily build up those sites to make even more money.
            -- Jeff
            Oh alright. That's still very impressive ranking keywords high with just UAW and social bookmarking.
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  • Profile picture of the author Greenfatman
    Great, Carl ...Well done!

    Nothing can be more simple than that, but what you really know is find great keywords, that is nearly everything...
    - Local search
    - Low competition
    - Good cpc
    I have a site for nearly 1 year by now with 2 300+ articles on it and always been in page 1.
    So guys, find good keywords

    Very, insteresting, just 2 plugins.

    How do you analize the competition? any rule for that?
    Which service do you use to write your content?
    Have you been add any content for your sites already making money?
    Do you have any site droping in rank? if so, do you submit more articles to UAW?

    Regards,
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  • Profile picture of the author prosell
    Would this strategry work for an ebook site as well. I have a ebook I want to sell and get to number one on google and sell the site after generating revenue. How many articles would I need for this model. Is it 3. Any advice you possibly know for me to accomplish this goal. I'd appreciate it.
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    • Profile picture of the author ukcarl
      Originally Posted by prosell View Post

      Would this strategry work for an ebook site as well. I have a ebook I want to sell and get to number one on google and sell the site after generating revenue. How many articles would I need for this model. Is it 3. Any advice you possibly know for me to accomplish this goal. I'd appreciate it.
      Its really not to do with how many articles, its ALL ABOUT KEYWORD RESEARCH

      Find one that has volume and low competition , thats all you need. But lets be realistic, if this is your main site, keep adding lots of content but be sure to research whats going to be easy to rank for and you will get traffic
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  • Profile picture of the author Empress_Of_Drac
    Originally Posted by ukcarl View Post

    Hi everyone I just wanted to add this thread about my experience in the last 3 months going full time online, hopefully it can act as a bit of motivation for those of you out there that may be struggling to get going and perhaps are not making any of much money yet.



    This is something I feel anyone can achieve good results with, even people who are new to this industry, the process is basically building a network of small niche sites and monetizing them with Adsense or affiliate products.


    Now I should add this is nothing new, it's a technique that has been round for years, but its what's working for me right now and its working really well, right now as I write this in February my Adsense income is going to exceed $1700 this month and other affiliate commissions will come in at about $500 so $2200 for the month and I only started doing this at the end of November.



    Below is the full process I use to build these sites:


    Keyword research

    • Each site is focused around just 1 keyword so I find a keyword with at least 1000 exact searches a month, which passes my criteria for low competition which are:
    • Under 100,000 competing pages in Google when searched in quotes the lower the better
    • Low first page competition (to measure this I use Micro Niche Finder)
    • Exact Match domain available in either of the following .com .org .net (sometimes I will add a suffix or prefix if these three are not available and the keyword is too good to pass on)
    Setting up Site

    For all my sites I use Wordpress, why? Simple because it's easy to set up and you don't need to know anything about code once the site is set up which takes about 10 minutes, I add the following plugins:
    • All in one SEO pack
    • Simple Google analytics
    That's it; in my experience I find I don't need anything else.


    Content

    To start with these sites are small, I only add 3x500 word pages of original high quality content to begin with, this content is written for good onpage SEO but should add real value (not junk content) so the content follows the following rules:


    • High quality useful content
    • Keyword in the title
    • Keyword should be in the first and last paragraph and the one in the first paragraph should be in bold
    • I don't concentrate that much on keyword density but generally 1 - 2%
    • LSI keywords, THIS IS REALLY IMPROTANT I like to use 5 - 10 LSI terms in my posts, I find these by searching the main keyword in Googles keyword tool, the results will be displayed in order of relevance so I choose a hand full to use in my posts.
    • When you add the content also use the LSI keywords in your keywords for the all in one seo pack and your tags.
    • Every post will be added to the same category which will be the main keyword.
    Pages

    As well as our content we also want to add an about page, a contact page and a privacy policy the about and contact are just simple short pages and I generate the privacy policy at the following site serprank.com/privacy-policy-generator


    Monitize
    Most of my sites are monetized with Adsense for this I am currently using CTR theme but this is up to you I can personally only speak for my own results with this theme, which are good .
    Linkbuilding

    My link building process is very simple but also very effective; I buy a social bookmarking gig on Fiverr.com for a couple hundred social bookmark back links, next I will take a new 300 word article and spin it and use it for submission using Unique Article Wizard (if you don't pay for this tool monthly there are also fiverr gigs for this).


    BOOOOOM that's it done, I am currently building one of these sites a day and in roughly 3 months I have got to over $2000/month this month.


    Now this technique is not for everyone and I know many people out there prefer the authority site model, but here's the thing I don't want to debate which is best, this is just what's working for me right now, plus it is totally compliant with Googles Terms Of Service so this is totally legit.


    What's more is you will find that with testing so many niches you will find some real winners with this technique and there is nothing to stop you scaling these sites out to more of an authority site.


    Here's the thing this works FACT! The only thing that will stop you with this technique is not doing it


    TAKE ACTION NOW!
    Really inspiring adsense story. Checking your personal blog now.
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  • Profile picture of the author eaglesflamenco
    this is a gooood material for learning for a newbie,these details above make sense
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  • Profile picture of the author stevenpayales
    I want to do something like this also. A friend of mine is getting a lot of money monthly thru CPM/CPA/AdSense .. Is there a step by step tuts on this and where to get the right affiliates?

    Thanks
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  • Profile picture of the author TopKat22
    Very good!

    I think the key that most newbies don't get is the keyword research for the right niche.

    It is relatively easy to rank for a keyword with lower competition, I've gotten to number 1-4 on Google in a matter of 6 to 12 hours.

    I thought I could do it for any keyword from scratch and some people on here said try it for "make money online", "make money" , viagra, or some other high competition keyword and they were right. I could get to page 2 or 3 quickly but page one is tougher for more competitive keywords. It is also harder to maintain.

    Thanks for the share with such details. This could help a lot of people on here stick with it.
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  • Profile picture of the author netightman
    How you measure low first page competition in Micro Niche Finder?
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  • Profile picture of the author outwest
    Wouldnt it be just as easy, and much cheaper for the backlinking, to concentrate on
    kws with 15k, 20k per month exact local matches?. Sure it might take longer to get to top 5 but there are many kws out there that are NOT that highly backlinked, in the top 5 competition
    and you are instead of backlinking 20 sites, 50 sites,
    backlinking 2, or 5 sites?
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  • Profile picture of the author tycoon828
    Hi, Carl

    When you select keyword, do you choose more informative keyword like "dog training", "credit repair", "student loan"........ or more product keyword like "digital camera", "LED tv", "vacuum cleaner"......?

    Thanks
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    • Profile picture of the author ukcarl
      Originally Posted by tycoon828 View Post

      Hi, Carl

      When you select keyword, do you choose more informative keyword like "dog training", "credit repair", "student loan"........ or more product keyword like "digital camera", "LED tv", "vacuum cleaner"......?

      Thanks
      Yeah I generally stick with info type keywords for Adsense and generally dont bother with product keywords, I may in the future but at the minute I feel like I can add more value with informative terms by just adding good info, hope this makes sense
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  • Profile picture of the author adrienk
    Inspirational post! I am doing the same thing- building Adsense sites and maybe selling them in the future. I have one recommendation for you - Manage WordPress Sites from One Dashboard - ManageWP.com. (I can't link to it bcoz I am rather new here! Just Google ManageWP!) I have tried the free trial and I would say it is perfect for someone who needs to manage and build lots of websites!

    Good luck!
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    • Profile picture of the author ukcarl
      Originally Posted by adrienk View Post

      Inspirational post! I am doing the same thing- building Adsense sites and maybe selling them in the future. I have one recommendation for you - Manage WordPress Sites from One Dashboard - ManageWP.com. (I can't link to it bcoz I am rather new here! Just Google ManageWP!) I have tried the free trial and I would say it is perfect for someone who needs to manage and build lots of websites!

      Good luck!
      Yeah I hear good things about ManageWP will have to check it out
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    • Profile picture of the author JSProjects
      Originally Posted by adrienk View Post

      Inspirational post! I am doing the same thing- building Adsense sites and maybe selling them in the future. I have one recommendation for you - Manage WordPress Sites from One Dashboard - ManageWP.com. (I can't link to it bcoz I am rather new here! Just Google ManageWP!) I have tried the free trial and I would say it is perfect for someone who needs to manage and build lots of websites!

      Good luck!
      Now why haven't I heard of that.

      Thanks for the heads up.
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  • Profile picture of the author mostafa999
    Really simple and effective, thank you for sharing
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  • Profile picture of the author tronsmith
    Thank you very much for your post. A real inspiration and some great tips.

    I am just wondering if you use a specific person/specific people on fiverr for your gigs?

    If so, could you please let me know?

    All the best.

    Ryan.
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  • Profile picture of the author VipsK
    great idea and thanks for sharing this, always nice to hear a positive story which is also very inspiring too
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  • Profile picture of the author tronsmith
    With regards to my above comment, feel free to PM me if you wish.

    All the best,

    Ryan.
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  • Profile picture of the author megawarrior
    Thanks for sharing your success and the good advice for others. Keep it up!
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  • Profile picture of the author Captain_Morgan
    hey carl

    keep up the good work, regarding your articles do you submit them all in 1 go?

    do you interlink them?

    are you still only doing SB and UAW??
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    • Profile picture of the author ukcarl
      Originally Posted by Captain_Morgan View Post

      hey carl

      keep up the good work, regarding your articles do you submit them all in 1 go?

      do you interlink them?

      are you still only doing SB and UAW??
      Yeah I just do these two things my articles are drip fed at a rate of 20 a day
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      • Profile picture of the author mnov5534
        Originally Posted by ukcarl View Post

        Yeah I just do these two things my articles are drip fed at a rate of 20 a day
        Thanks for sharing your strategy, this sounds really exciting! I'm just wondering, do you drip feed 20 articles per site per day? Or 20 articles for your whole empire of sites per day?

        I'm assuming you outsource all the article writing now with so many sites to look after?
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  • Profile picture of the author joshpat2
    how often do you make back links for the site and how often do you update them ?
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  • Profile picture of the author Naxie
    Thanks for the write-up on your progress Carl, and congratulations. Hoping to join you in such earnings very soon.
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    • Profile picture of the author ukcarl
      Originally Posted by joshpat2 View Post

      how often do you make back links for the site and how often do you update them ?
      I social bookmark the same day I finish it, and just recently I have been setting UAW to start submitting 1 week later at a rate of 20 a day

      Originally Posted by Naxie View Post

      Thanks for the write-up on your progress Carl, and congratulations. Hoping to join you in such earnings very soon.
      Just get to work and there is no reason you cant do the exact same I did
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  • Profile picture of the author Kreative4
    Thats a great inspirational story. I am doing something similar. Instead of small MNS, i am building authority site with 20-300 posts.
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  • Profile picture of the author kuzmanin
    Good post. I didn't know that for privacy and policy for adsense
    Have to add it to my sites
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  • Profile picture of the author dollaring
    recently Micro Niche Finder do not work,yes or no?
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    • Profile picture of the author ukcarl
      Originally Posted by dollaring View Post

      recently Micro Niche Finder do not work,yes or no?
      Yeah it works fine.

      Every now and then there are slight issues, but this is due to Google constantly updating their keyword tool, so it is something that any tool pulling data straight from Google will have to deal with which is all of the main ones we hear about around the forum.

      I just found 8 fantastic keywords today for my next batch of sites
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  • Profile picture of the author joshpat2
    thanks this was very inspiring... better than any wso lol ... my questions was how ofter do you update the content on each site ?

    i have a site in a micro niche and it was ranking very well #1 actully now it dropeed to #7 so should i be focused on adding more posts and content ... or build backlinks ?
    cause i see you said that 3 500 word pages is all you add to the sites .. is that all the content that is still on there till today ?

    Thanks again
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  • Profile picture of the author joshpat2
    thanks for your reply .. how often do you add content like a new post to each site ? or do you just keep making the backlinks in UAW ?
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    • Profile picture of the author ukcarl
      Originally Posted by joshpat2 View Post

      thanks for your reply .. how often do you add content like a new post to each site ? or do you just keep making the backlinks in UAW ?
      Yeah so at the minute I literally build the site (this is outsourced but I could do it all myself in the day).

      Then in the same day I social bookmark it and also create a campaign in UAW which I just recently started setting it to start submitting a week later and drip feed submissions at a rate of 20 a day.

      Hope this is clear
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      • Profile picture of the author joshpat2
        Originally Posted by ukcarl View Post

        Yeah so at the minute I literally build the site (this is outsourced but I could do it all myself in the day).

        Then in the same day I social bookmark it and also create a campaign in UAW which I just recently started setting it to start submitting a week later and drip feed submissions at a rate of 20 a day.

        Hope this is clear
        sorry for being a pain lol .. so each site still has 3 pages and UAW is working and submittiong 20 articales a day to directories creating backlinks ?
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  • Profile picture of the author JSProjects
    I'd suggest, instead of Market Samurai, just going straight to the source. The Google Keyword Tool. The data is the same and it's A LOT faster.

    Packerfan has a great tutorial in his sig explaining how to use the GKT + Excel together. It makes Market Samurai look pretty bad in comparison.
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  • Profile picture of the author OmarNegron
    NICE! Keep up the great work.

    It's always good to see these stories of success.

    =-)

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  • Profile picture of the author liovvoil
    Concerning Google phrase results: Which is better?
    - A keyword with around 1 million results and top 10 doesn't have the keyword in title (low seo competition).
    - A keyword with around 100K results and top 10 have keyword in title (medium/high seo competition).
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    • Profile picture of the author ukcarl
      Originally Posted by joshpat2 View Post

      sorry for being a pain lol .. so each site still has 3 pages and UAW is working and submittiong 20 articales a day to directories creating backlinks ?
      Yeah thats right the article I use for UAW is totally original also
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      • Profile picture of the author joshpat2
        Originally Posted by ukcarl View Post

        Yeah thats right the article I use for UAW is totally original also
        great thanks so much man - i was just reading your blog as well. for some reason i was stuck on trying to add a post to my blog everyday instead of doing the UAW thing. I will move my focus now to getting the UAW setup and do the articles
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        • Profile picture of the author ukcarl
          Originally Posted by joshpat2 View Post

          great thanks so much man - i was just reading your blog as well. for some reason i was stuck on trying to add a post to my blog everyday instead of doing the UAW thing. I will move my focus now to getting the UAW setup and do the articles
          There is nothing to stop you keeping adding content, but it is always a good idea to build links to your content just to help it rank
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    • Profile picture of the author ukcarl
      Originally Posted by liovvoil View Post

      Concerning Google phrase results: Which is better?
      - A keyword with around 1 million results and top 10 doesn't have the keyword in title (low seo competition).
      - A keyword with around 100K results and top 10 have keyword in title (medium/high seo competition).
      Not sure what you mean? the keywords I target have less than 100,000 results in inverted comments, the lower the better.

      And the other metric I use is SOC which is a feature in Micro Niche Finder that measures first page competition, I discuss the whole process step by step in a free 40 page guide on my site
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  • Profile picture of the author dre332
    UAW is awesome... Use it with linklicious.me as it will help get all of those article links indexed.
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    • Profile picture of the author ukcarl
      Originally Posted by dre332 View Post

      UAW is awesome... Use it with linklicious.me as it will help get all of those article links indexed.
      Does linklicious.me help to index the links I assume?

      For me I would rather they index over time, seems a bit more natural, thats just the way I see it, I could be wrong
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  • Profile picture of the author 2d0k
    Cool! Congratulations Carl!
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    • Profile picture of the author Marko Radulovic
      Hey there. Great post. Your method has intrigued me and I have a question for you.

      Your minimum exact search volume is 1000 searches per month, and $1 minimum cost per click. Are most of your sites targeting this minimum? Or are they higher? Are you making $35 a month from 1000 searches per month sites?

      I'm hesitant to start churning out low search sites quickly, because I want to keep my initial investment costs sane.
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      • Profile picture of the author ukcarl
        Originally Posted by Marko Radulovic View Post

        Hey there. Great post. Your method has intrigued me and I have a question for you.

        Your minimum exact search volume is 1000 searches per month, and $1 minimum cost per click. Are most of your sites targeting this minimum? Or are they higher? Are you making $35 a month from 1000 searches per month sites?

        I'm hesitant to start churning out low search sites quickly, because I want to keep my initial investment costs sane.
        Hi Mark,

        Yeah this is generally what I target some gets more serch and I have a a few that get less in fact one of my highest performing sites only has 590 exact searches in MNF or GKT but I knew it was a profitable niche, so I built it anyway, this site ended up getting and still does get 80 - 100 page views a day so the keyword tool wasn't accurate, just use it as a guide.

        once you have made a few sites you just get a feel for what will get good results if I am confident, I sometimes drop below 1000 with that said I love finding keywords with 1000+ who wouldn't, I think my highest searched sites get like 4000 - 5000/exact searches a month.

        Hope this helps
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  • Profile picture of the author sacoderbd
    thats extreme....i liked the way you revealed your secret.....what i have seen in these years...."someone interested in making money online with average knowledge about SEO and websites are a single step away from success- taking action!"
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  • Profile picture of the author Captain_Morgan
    Carl

    for each site how many keywords do you target??
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  • Profile picture of the author 1warriorfan
    Very glad I found this thread. Awesome, Carl and thanks very much for taking the time to post the initial thread. Well, laid out, to the point and understandable.

    I used MNF also. Love it. But, your process is lean and mean! I'll stop getting side-tracked by all the new WSO "shiney objects" and focus more on this.

    Signed up on your site. Looking forward to reading the guide!
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    • Profile picture of the author ryanlrw
      Great stuff Carl, your process seems as automated as it can get =)

      I've used Fiverr for a few things in the past but not social bookmarking- now is the time to get started I suppose!
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    • Profile picture of the author ukcarl
      Originally Posted by Captain_Morgan View Post

      Carl

      for each site how many keywords do you target??
      Just the one Captain.

      Am in a position now where I may scale out some of the winners but initially just 1 keyword per site

      Originally Posted by 1warriorfan View Post

      Very glad I found this thread. Awesome, Carl and thanks very much for taking the time to post the initial thread. Well, laid out, to the point and understandable.

      I used MNF also. Love it. But, your process is lean and mean! I'll stop getting side-tracked by all the new WSO "shiney objects" and focus more on this.

      Signed up on your site. Looking forward to reading the guide!
      Yeah I do like MNF, like you say the process is lean and mean and I think MNF is too, it just keeps things nice and simple.

      I hope you have success with this it is a great method in my opinion and its not hard to get going even on a budget. Feel free to post any more questions you might have or you can contact me over at my site
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  • Profile picture of the author 1warriorfan
    Carl, and anyone else... Quick Question....

    There's a theory that Adsense should Not be added to a site immediately. Thereby, it's seen as an MFA site. Some say, wait at least 4 weeks. I don't see anywhere in your documentation that this concerns you? You put it on their during the site build, right?

    Thanks in advance.
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    • Profile picture of the author ukcarl
      Originally Posted by 1warriorfan View Post

      Carl, and anyone else... Quick Question....

      There's a theory that Adsense should Not be added to a site immediately. Thereby, it's seen as an MFA site. Some say, wait at least 4 weeks. I don't see anywhere in your documentation that this concerns you? You put it on their during the site build, right?

      Thanks in advance.
      It doesn't bother me they are not MFA in the popular sense of the word, the content is high quality and useful to the reader, so there should be no problem.

      I do everything in one day from adding content and Adsense to linkbuilding one thing I have stated doing that is not in the guide is when I submit to UAW i schedule them to start a week later, but everything is still implemented in the same day.
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  • Profile picture of the author NetWorth
    Hey Carl,

    I just wanted to say congrats on the success! It is always nice to hear stories of people making it. I also wanted to say that it is awesome that you are willing to come back to the community and share the way you did! Not everyone does this and it is needed and wanted.

    I do want to throw one suggestion out there. I have to admit that I haven't read all 3 pages of post so you may already be doing this. But I do want to suggest that maybe you take your most profitable sites and build them out to become Authority sites.

    I like many other marketers I had a large group of small sites get whacked by Google last year. Literally over night. Because your using adsense to monetize it connects all your sites so if Google does come knocking it isn't going to spare any of your sites.

    I lost a big chunk of income about a month ago because google decided to de-index 3 of my sites all at once. I didn't even see them as being to thin 7 to 15 post each.

    Hey just a suggestion, take it or leave it. Otherwise thanks again and keep up the great work and sharing!
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    Awesome! Thanks again!
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  • Profile picture of the author Monty Montana
    First of all, congrats mate!

    Are you using a brand new domain or buy an aged domain with PR?
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    • Profile picture of the author ukcarl
      Originally Posted by Monty Montana View Post

      First of all, congrats mate!

      Are you using a brand new domain or buy an aged domain with PR?
      Cheers mate, in regards to the domains I just used do new domains just bought 5 today
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  • Profile picture of the author korneld
    I like the bit about Micro Niche Finder.
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    • Profile picture of the author Marko Radulovic
      Good point. Perhaps you're pulling in broad traffic? I have to be careful how much I spend on a site.

      I'm still new to this, and only have one site performing at about 60 dollars a month. Its on page 1 for a medium competition keyword that gets about 5400 searches, and another related keyword that gets 2900. I'm trying to get the CTR up. So that's why I was concerned with the 1000/month exact search.

      On a related note, I might try that CTR theme.
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      • Profile picture of the author hbwsl
        Originally Posted by Marko Radulovic View Post

        Good point. Perhaps you're pulling in broad traffic? I have to be careful how much I spend on a site.

        I'm still new to this, and only have one site performing at about 60 dollars a month. Its on page 1 for a medium competition keyword that gets about 5400 searches, and another related keyword that gets 2900. I'm trying to get the CTR up. So that's why I was concerned with the 1000/month exact search.

        On a related note, I might try that CTR theme.
        Hi Marko,

        thanks for your interest in CTR theme, here is the latest live WSO for CTR theme in case you are interested !

        Regards
        Karthik
        New owner of CTR Theme
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  • Profile picture of the author Gaston Wolf
    Awesome thread. I my self have a handful of micro niche websites. Roughly bring in between 150 - 200 pcm. Although I had them all hacked recently, so do be careful and watch out for that stuff.

    Inspirational thread
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    • Profile picture of the author ukcarl
      Originally Posted by Gaston Wolf View Post

      Awesome thread. I my self have a handful of micro niche websites. Roughly bring in between 150 - 200 pcm. Although I had them all hacked recently, so do be careful and watch out for that stuff.

      Inspirational thread
      Yeah I hear stories of hacks happening to people its definitely something I am on the lookout for.
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      • Profile picture of the author AuthorityDomains
        Originally Posted by ukcarl View Post

        Yeah I hear stories of hacks happening to people its definitely something I am on the lookout for.
        Keep Wordpress up to date and you should be protected from hacks
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        • Profile picture of the author AuthorityDomains
          Great Post for sharing Carl, I'm also from the UK and have been doing Affiliate Marking for just over 3 years now so you are doing very well in the short space of time.

          I have made most of my money from affiliate product based sites and agree they can be much harder to rank for. I have gone down the route of higher search terms with more potential, but in turn they have taken a lot more work to get them there and maintain them in that position.

          I have never really got to grips with Adsense, most probably because I've been doing the rinse and repeat from affiliate sites. I have 1 site making about £600 a month and the inital calculations worked out that it would only make about £80 a month, based on the GKWT estimates. The traffic is similar to the GKWT but the conversion and the products convert so much better.

          I'm going to give you plan a go as I wouldn't mind diversifying my income stream.

          Thanks for sharing

          Couple of Questions if you don't mind;
          Do you limit the number of keywords for each domain? The longer the domain, the harder it is to rank from experience

          Could you give an indication of how many articles you are outsourcing and how much you are paying for these?

          If you use something like Odesk, any recommendations as I've found it difficult trying to find someone cheap, reliable and good quality.

          Cheers
          Gary
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          • Profile picture of the author ukcarl
            Originally Posted by AuthorityDomains View Post

            Do you limit the number of keywords for each domain? The longer the domain, the harder it is to rank from experience
            Never really thought about it but in my experience it doesn't affect my ranking.

            Could you give an indication of how many articles you are outsourcing and how much you are paying for these?
            i outsource 3 articles per site initially but I also outsource an additional 300 word article for UAW and adding them to wordpress and setting it up for all that I pay $35

            If I were just paying for articles I would want to pay $5 - $7

            If you use something like Odesk, any recommendations as I've found it difficult trying to find someone cheap, reliable and good quality.
            I do use Odesk, in my experience I have had the best experiences with Philippine workers, I just find them much more willing to work well for you and in my experience they are very punctual and helpful.

            To find reliable workers its just a case of putting a job out there and test different workers, I like to get them to build me a test site or even just a test article before I hire them.

            Another tip would be post bigger jobs if you post a $200 job you will get much more applicants than if you post a $20 job plus once you decide on someone there is nothing stopping you suggesting a smaller contract to assess quality.
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  • Profile picture of the author Hubert115
    Very nice job. Nice ob on the earnings
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    • Profile picture of the author Morbrook
      Thanks, I will have to give this a try.
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  • Profile picture of the author Marko Radulovic
    Here's another question for you, Carl.

    How do you gauge page 1 competition in google? through MNF only?
    The sites that I HAVE gotten to page 1, I'm surprised that I managed to get there, because they are outranking sites much stronger in backlinks, index, PR.

    Is in title, h1 tag, description really the most critical aspect of ranking quickly?

    if pages have a ton of backlinks, but don't have the keyword in the title, h1 tag, description, should I consider them easy to rank for?

    I'm sort of baffled as to how you can rank so quickly, a few weeks/a month.
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  • Profile picture of the author MisterChopsticks
    Good post. Should help out new adsense users.
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  • Profile picture of the author superninja
    That's awesome... can you clarify what you mean by totally compliant w/ Google's TOS. Are you talking of their Adsense TOS?

    Can cookie cutter mini Adsense sites leave footprints and be against TOS?

    Thanks
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    • Profile picture of the author ukcarl
      Originally Posted by Marko Radulovic View Post

      Here's another question for you, Carl.

      How do you gauge page 1 competition in google? through MNF only?
      The sites that I HAVE gotten to page 1, I'm surprised that I managed to get there, because they are outranking sites much stronger in backlinks, index, PR.

      Is in title, h1 tag, description really the most critical aspect of ranking quickly?

      if pages have a ton of backlinks, but don't have the keyword in the title, h1 tag, description, should I consider them easy to rank for?

      I'm sort of baffled as to how you can rank so quickly, a few weeks/a month.
      To be honest it is that simple, I just use Exact Phrase count data and SOC data in micro niche finder, thats it I find it to be a really good guide.

      Originally Posted by superninja View Post

      That's awesome... can you clarify what you mean by totally compliant w/ Google's TOS. Are you talking of their Adsense TOS?

      Can cookie cutter mini Adsense sites leave footprints and be against TOS?

      Thanks
      Yes it is compliant with Adsense terms of services.

      I helped a friend build his first ever site and we used CTR theme and his brand new account was approved using this technique.
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  • Profile picture of the author petermicheal
    Now I should add this is nothing new, it's a technique that has been round for years, but its what's working for me right now and its working really well, right now as I write this in February my Adsense income is going to exceed $1700 this month and other affiliate commissions will come in at about $500 so $2200 for the month and I only started doing this at the end of November.
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    • Profile picture of the author Matthieu Miser
      Is there a way to do the micro niche finder part by hand if i don't want to spend money on it?
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    • Profile picture of the author delton yell
      wow that so gr8..thanks for sharing it with us..
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  • Profile picture of the author saarbel
    Hey carl is there a chance you'll post one of your sites here?
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  • Profile picture of the author GD
    Really inspirational post and congratulations on your success!

    I am a newbie and wondering what is the fastest way to get an adsense account. I have read somewhere that you need to create first create hubpages/blogpost blogs before applying - how does it work?

    Thanks
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    • Profile picture of the author ukcarl
      Originally Posted by GD View Post

      Really inspirational post and congratulations on your success!

      I am a newbie and wondering what is the fastest way to get an adsense account. I have read somewhere that you need to create first create hubpages/blogpost blogs before applying - how does it work?

      Thanks
      I opened my account a couple of years back by creating a blogger blog.

      I can tell you though that I helped a friend set up a new account about a month ago and he used the exact process that I talk about in the free guide on my site in my signature.

      Just follow that process and after you finish the site apply for an account it took my friends account about a week to start showing ads, also if you need any help just shoot me a PM
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  • Profile picture of the author Spontaneousjoe
    My question is how do you find your LSI keyword terms? Since the goolge wonder wheel does not exist anymore. Do your get them from the related search terms on the side? Because I have not always had the most positive results form that method
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  • Profile picture of the author giseo
    Nice. Couple questions. Any other link building beyond bookmarks and article blasts? Where you placing your ad units? How are you determining which keyword to target?
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  • Profile picture of the author steveg99
    Thanks for the awesome, informative post UKCarl!
    The only question I have, is how do you find exact match .com's for product keywords that get 1000 exact/month? I've found that this is bordering on impossible. Maybe I'm just doing it wrong, or trying to go with product KW's that are too competitive?
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    • Profile picture of the author ukcarl
      Originally Posted by Spontaneousjoe View Post

      My question is how do you find your LSI keyword terms? Since the goolge wonder wheel does not exist anymore. Do your get them from the related search terms on the side? Because I have not always had the most positive results form that method
      I just get the terms from Google keyword tool.

      Originally Posted by giseo View Post

      Nice. Couple questions. Any other link building beyond bookmarks and article blasts? Where you placing your ad units? How are you determining which keyword to target?
      My linkbuilding currently is limited to this, the reason is it is working for me right now fine so I just leave it at that.

      My ads are placed automatically by CTR theme I use their layouts.

      And in regards to choosing keywords I talk about this in the free guide I give away free on my site in my signature.

      Originally Posted by steveg99 View Post

      Thanks for the awesome, informative post UKCarl!
      The only question I have, is how do you find exact match .com's for product keywords that get 1000 exact/month? I've found that this is bordering on impossible. Maybe I'm just doing it wrong, or trying to go with product KW's that are too competitive?
      Well I use micro Niche Finder and this also gives you domain availability for keywords, I go into more detail in the free guide on my site in my sig
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      • Profile picture of the author bmcgoff
        Originally Posted by ukcarl View Post


        My ads are placed automatically by CTR theme I use their layouts.
        Do you disable any areas or layouts via the CTR theme options? I'm wondering because it seems that certain layouts violate the new AdSense standards (i.e., too many ads above the content).

        Thanks for the awesome tips/thread btw...good stuff for those of us new to AdSense niche sites! I'm just getting into it myself. First site is making about $25/month and isn't even ranking for half it's keywords yet.

        On that note, how many keywords does one of your sites usually target? 1? 10? 20?


        Thanks,

        Brock
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        • Profile picture of the author ukcarl
          Originally Posted by Dumkist View Post

          Do you show all 3 post on the home page or just one ?
          CTR theme by default shows the main post and then a small preview of the other 2 articles at the bottom of page

          Originally Posted by outwest View Post

          How long with this method until you see break even cash flow?
          50 bucks per site starts to add up pretty quickly

          after 60 days you will have spent $3000 dollars on site creation alone. and I seriously doubt that the Adsense revenue will have reached that point at 60 days, though I am just guessing

          sounds like to start this method you have to have about $3000 lying around, which is way more than I have at this time

          People who post these type threads seem to ignore their costs vs revenue...............they seem only to talk about Gross revenue from Adsense

          which is good at 2k/month, I am not disagreeing with that



          It would seem for example to follow this model
          make 50 sites, lets say the sites only gross what Adsense flippers sites gross which is much more conservative (10 dollars /month)

          So at 50 sites you are grossing 500 dollars/month and have spent 2500 dollars to get to that point. Would take a long time with that model to start getting into positive cash flow
          OK so I have spent just over $2500 just on Adsense sites since the end of November currently I am at about 15% positive cash flow.

          But here's the thing the money I invested is a business overdraft I got from the bank to start this business, and I intend to pay this off with site sales and considering I made around $1700 in Feb just from Adsense my portfolio is currently worth $17,000 - $34,000 at 10x - 20x monthly cash flow so over all as an investment I think its very good.

          Also it may of cost me this much but there is nothing to stop people doing all the work themselves

          Originally Posted by jeffreys View Post

          Regarding how to search niches for adsense, how do you do that? I know this totally different from affiliate websites? care to show a step by step?
          I have a new video on my site of my favorite technique How To Research Keywords With Micro Niche Finder And Ezine Articles | Many Passive Streams | Many Passive Streams

          Originally Posted by bmcgoff View Post

          Do you disable any areas or layouts via the CTR theme options? I'm wondering because it seems that certain layouts violate the new AdSense standards (i.e., too many ads above the content).

          Thanks for the awesome tips/thread btw...good stuff for those of us new to AdSense niche sites! I'm just getting into it myself. First site is making about $25/month and isn't even ranking for half it's keywords yet.

          On that note, how many keywords does one of your sites usually target? 1? 10? 20?


          Thanks,

          Brock
          Nice one, great to see you are having success with this method

          Yeah I disable roadblock and top 728 in my opinion they are much too aggresive.

          My sites are targeting just 1 keywords
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  • Profile picture of the author Badshah
    Thanks ukCarls for the wonderful Post, I have just starting doing SEO and have been reading a lot of stuff what ever comes my way but so far this is the most implementable and practical guide i have seen. I have a question !
    You said
    Originally Posted by ukcarl View Post

    Each site is focused around just 1 keyword so I find a keyword with at least 1000 exact searches a month, which passes my criteria for low competition which are:
    Under 100,000 competing pages in Google when searched in quotes the lower the better
    !
    what tool are you talking about when you say 1000 exact Matches ? what do you use to identify that.

    also can you refer any provider from fivver that you have found dependable for outsourcing.
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  • Profile picture of the author lazydaisy
    Thank you for sharing with us Carl. It is very inspiring to kow it can be done with some work. I have a question, Have you used fiverr for keywords or do you do all the keyword research yourself?

    Thank you
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  • Profile picture of the author dynamoblue
    Hi there. I originally wrote this to be a visitors message to your profile but I don't have enough posts to be able to post those yet. I read your thread earlier today and wanted you know that I was uber inspired! Particularly because I'm very new to the business and, just before stumbling upon your thread, had just purchased both social monkee and UAW. So I'll definitely be following in your footsteps.

    I was wondering if you might answer a couple of total newb questions in relation to social bookmarking? I have a Social Monkee elite membership that allows me to resubmit the same URL every 14 days. Do you think that there is any benefit to submitting the same URL over and over again with Social Monkee?

    My other question is: is there any benefit to using social monkee and also using social marker? or do they do the exact same thing?

    I appreciate any input you are willing to share. To your continued success!
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  • Profile picture of the author voodo
    This is something I feel achieve good results with, even i new to this industry, the process is basically building a network of small niche sites and monetizing them with Adsense or affiliate products awesome.
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  • Profile picture of the author todawg_not
    Great post ukCarl.

    I read all the comments and got alot of value from you sharing your experience.

    You hit home on a alot of important points which explains why alot of people are failing.

    I'll checkout UAW and add it to my backlink strategy.

    Keep up the good work brother

    Nigel
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    • Profile picture of the author airallineed
      This is really inspire me thank you for the share!
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  • Profile picture of the author jesda
    This is a great inspiration but i maybe missing it some where in the pile of post and i want to know how many sites you created to generate that $2000?

    As you stated that you only CTR theme, do you think it is safer?
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    • Profile picture of the author ukcarl
      Originally Posted by jesda View Post

      This is a great inspiration but i maybe missing it some where in the pile of post and i want to know how many sites you created to generate that $2000?

      As you stated that you only CTR theme, do you think it is safer?
      I have about 50 sites, not sure what you mean by your CTR Theme question but its a great theme
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  • Profile picture of the author salmanbaig
    Truly inspiring story ...

    BTW do you recommend any fiverr gigs who can submit content to UAW

    Also I'd like to ask, do you comment on blogs ? or article marketing and social bookmarking is sufficient
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  • Profile picture of the author jeffreys
    This is awesome tips. I am going to start now.
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    • Profile picture of the author saarbel
      Hey carl is there a chance you'll post one of your sites here?
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    You search good keywords. You makes lots of links from directories, articles, forums, web 2.0 and rss feeds and many other tech. But if we try to make this so fast google penalized us.
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  • Profile picture of the author outwest
    How much did you spend creating each site?
    another similar thread the guy says he spends about 400-500 dollars creating and backlinking , adding content etc for his Adsense sites that make 10 dollars/day
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    • Profile picture of the author ukcarl
      Originally Posted by outwest View Post

      How much did you spend creating each site?
      another similar thread the guy says he spends about 400-500 dollars creating and backlinking , adding content etc for his Adsense sites that make 10 dollars/day
      Each site costs about $50 in total
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    • Profile picture of the author tdj
      Originally Posted by outwest View Post

      How much did you spend creating each site?
      another similar thread the guy says he spends about 400-500 dollars creating and backlinking , adding content etc for his Adsense sites that make 10 dollars/day
      That's $300/month. He is already profiting in less than 2 months and outsourced most all of the work. He could outsource and spend $100/month from now on to keep the site updated and climbing in the SERPs. still making approx. $200/month profit with hardly no extra work on his part.
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    Very good techniques! I will use them for my businesses!
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  • Profile picture of the author pex7
    How do you choose adsense niches? It seems like this would be a different process than searching for affiliate niches since you're not trying to "make a sale"
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    • Profile picture of the author AskJon
      Interesting read, keep it up man and you'll eventually hit 5k and 10k!

      Hope some people are gonna realize that all it needs is a bit of motivation, but mostly just DOING and testing stuff. No need of a step-by-step blueprint really, just start doing and if you think you're not gonna make it, just surround yourself with other people like you so that everyone keep doing!
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  • Profile picture of the author Dumkist
    Do setup word press to show all 3 post on the home page ?..and if so do you make the main post a sticky post ..or do you just make one post a static home page ?

    When you have the post written..how do you request the 3 post to be written ?..do you give them pre - made titles that you made up ? ..or do you just tell them to write 3 articles about the main "keyword" ?
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  • Profile picture of the author seoraghu
    Hi

    Just found this while searching for some information, the whole steps guides and your comments are really inspiring. I would love to follow and apply some of the tips which I found really worth.

    However, I just have one question. Do you keep adding new pages regularly on these sites? If so then how frequently do you add them.

    I happen to read through FastAttackSEO based on which I wrote contents for one of my blog and have been promoting since August 2011. I could hardly earn through. I have about 18 pages with full of information but I do not have CTR theme. I do use BookMarks and other backlink services.

    Just want to revamp so I just want to know if you keep adding new pages? Can I maximize adsense revenue with just 10 or 15 pages?

    Look forward
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  • Profile picture of the author MaryPabalates
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    What if a unique and quality article on home page and the rest of the posts are from auto blogs would it give traffic after doing link building for a week?
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    • Profile picture of the author dynamoblue
      Originally Posted by MaryPabalates View Post

      What if a unique and quality article on home page and the rest of the posts are from auto blogs would it give traffic after doing link building for a week?
      I've been very curious about autoblogs. do you have any that you recommend?
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      • Profile picture of the author ukcarl
        Originally Posted by pex7 View Post

        How do you choose adsense niches? It seems like this would be a different process than searching for affiliate niches since you're not trying to "make a sale"
        I will be adding a video to my site today showing my favorite method for doing research, basically I use a very simple technique getting ideas from ezine articles.

        Originally Posted by Dumkist View Post

        Do setup word press to show all 3 post on the home page ?..and if so do you make the main post a sticky post ..or do you just make one post a static home page ?

        When you have the post written..how do you request the 3 post to be written ?..do you give them pre - made titles that you made up ? ..or do you just tell them to write 3 articles about the main "keyword" ?
        Yeah the main post is sticky in regards to titles I have a good content writer, all I tell her is to create the articles to be useful and have a different spin on the main keyword, for example: how to save, best prices, how to use, etc ets etc....

        Originally Posted by jeffreys View Post

        Hi Carl,

        Regarding the article syndication, can we outsourced it to fiverr.com?
        If you mean UAW then yes you can, just be aware that you have no control over quality doing it this way.

        Originally Posted by seoraghu View Post

        Hi

        Just found this while searching for some information, the whole steps guides and your comments are really inspiring. I would love to follow and apply some of the tips which I found really worth.

        However, I just have one question. Do you keep adding new pages regularly on these sites? If so then how frequently do you add them.

        I happen to read through FastAttackSEO based on which I wrote contents for one of my blog and have been promoting since August 2011. I could hardly earn through. I have about 18 pages with full of information but I do not have CTR theme. I do use BookMarks and other backlink services.

        Just want to revamp so I just want to know if you keep adding new pages? Can I maximize adsense revenue with just 10 or 15 pages?

        Look forward
        These are just really simple sites, I make them in one day and then they dont get updated I just move on to the next site.

        In regards to your site you either need to build more links to your internal pages or just move on to a new project.

        Originally Posted by MaryPabalates View Post

        What if a unique and quality article on home page and the rest of the posts are from auto blogs would it give traffic after doing link building for a week?
        Originally Posted by dynamoblue View Post

        I've been very curious about autoblogs. do you have any that you recommend?
        To both of the above the answer is this is not a good idea, not if you want to keep your Adsense account.

        Auto blogs are against Adsense TOS, I suggest if you have similar sites at the minute and haven't yet been caught then you are very lucky to have not been banned already.

        Forget creating junk sites, just spend a little more time and add some value, its not hard one of these sites takes me a day to make
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          Originally Posted by ukcarl View Post


          These are just really simple sites, I make them in one day and then they dont get updated I just move on to the next site.

          In regards to your site you either need to build more links to your internal pages or just move on to a new project.
          Thanks for your response, definitely I would love to go with more sites. Just one more after how many months did you feel the adsense starts given results. When you do create new site after how many days do you take to earn $500+ through adsense?
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    Do you show all 3 post on the home page or just one ?
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  • Profile picture of the author outwest
    How long with this method until you see break even cash flow?
    50 bucks per site starts to add up pretty quickly

    after 60 days you will have spent $3000 dollars on site creation alone. and I seriously doubt that the Adsense revenue will have reached that point at 60 days, though I am just guessing

    sounds like to start this method you have to have about $3000 lying around, which is way more than I have at this time

    People who post these type threads seem to ignore their costs vs revenue...............they seem only to talk about Gross revenue from Adsense

    which is good at 2k/month, I am not disagreeing with that



    It would seem for example to follow this model
    make 50 sites, lets say the sites only gross what Adsense flippers sites gross which is much more conservative (10 dollars /month)

    So at 50 sites you are grossing 500 dollars/month and have spent 2500 dollars to get to that point. Would take a long time with that model to start getting into positive cash flow
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    • Profile picture of the author 4morereferrals
      Originally Posted by outwest View Post

      How long with this method until you see break even cash flow?
      50 bucks per site starts to add up pretty quickly

      after 60 days you will have spent $3000 dollars on site creation alone. and I seriously doubt that the Adsense revenue will have reached that point at 60 days, though I am just guessing

      sounds like to start this method you have to have about $3000 lying around, which is way more than I have at this time

      People who post these type threads seem to ignore their costs vs revenue...............they seem only to talk about Gross revenue from Adsense

      which is good at 2k/month, I am not disagreeing with that



      It would seem for example to follow this model
      make 50 sites, lets say the sites only gross what Adsense flippers sites gross which is much more conservative (10 dollars /month)

      So at 50 sites you are grossing 500 dollars/month and have spent 2500 dollars to get to that point. Would take a long time with that model to start getting into positive cash flow
      If you keep focused on what you dont have - you are destined to remain in that status.

      Build 10 sites in a month - get one or two sites to $3.00 a day and FLIP IT/THEM in 90 days with a track record.

      A site consistently earning has resale value - you skipped that part of both of these threads ... these guys are replenishing investment capital along the way with FLIPs.

      $3.00 a day = $90 a month approx = 7-10x monthly revs as a minimal multiple. The more content it has that's good and the more keywords it has potential to rank and bring in clicks the better for your multiples.
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      • Profile picture of the author outwest
        Originally Posted by 4morereferrals View Post

        If you keep focused on what you dont have - you are destined to remain in that status.

        Build 10 sites in a month - get one or two sites to $3.00 a day and FLIP IT/THEM in 90 days with a track record.

        A site consistently earning has resale value - you skipped that part of both of these threads ... these guys are replenishing investment capital along the way with FLIPs.

        $3.00 a day = $90 a month approx = 7-10x monthly revs as a minimal multiple. The more content it has that's good and the more keywords it has potential to rank and bring in clicks the better for your multiples.
        Adsense flippers builds about 100 sites/month
        avg cost is $50/site,
        avg income per site? $10 per MONTH

        you are saying $3/day ($90 per MONTH ) is easy, hey just get 2 to 3 sites per month out of your TEN.........so 1 out of 3 sites you are saying is going to average almost 10 times per month what Adsense flippers sites average

        Now
        Granted, they dont backlink much
        How could they?

        But
        Doing it yourself yes can save money, in theory but that only goes so far
        if guys paying out $50/site to develop them go buy all these 200 social bookmark gigs on fiverr for $5 each. OK so you dont do that, you going to get 200 social bookmarks by hand? yourself? I dont think so

        I am not saying this to be negative, I am just laying out the costs vs benefits and also what you can do yourself, how much that costs timewise and some things you CANT do by yourself (200 social bookmarks)

        Most guys who get say 10 bucks per day on a site, spend 400-500 to develop the site, obviously the newbie with no money cant do that, so that option is out

        what makes you think a 100/month site is just going to come along 1 time out of 3? and this is doing it yourself on the cheap?

        The guys spending 50-300,400,500 per site to backlink and pump content into the sites, sure I can understand that

        I also dont understand the guys spending 400,500 per site, how they determine when to do this, I realize this is down the line more advanced technique once you get the hang of it, but I am also sure they dont do this for every site
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  • Profile picture of the author jeffreys
    Regarding how to search niches for adsense, how do you do that? I know this totally different from affiliate websites? care to show a step by step?
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  • Profile picture of the author sunderkhan
    Hi Carl,

    Thanks for this info. I'm new here it's good to I came across to your post and I got a clear idea where to start on building my first website.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dumkist
    Thanks Carl for answering my questions..I do have one more :-) ...would it be possible to do a video on how you set up the Prosense theme for adsense..I looked all over on line and could not find any..not sure how you set up the adsense on this theme.
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  • Profile picture of the author mrtrance
    Are all your current sites at the #1 position? If not do they make the top 3 easily within like a few weeks to a month with just the backlinking you have described here? Do you still get traffic for sites ranking in the #5-#10 spots since you pick kws which just 1000 exact monthly searches?

    Do you aim to get each site to #1 or top 3 is good enough?
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    Awesome, thanks for the tip!
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  • Profile picture of the author jazzG
    outwest, it's easy to make excuses. Everyone has a different financial situation, but if you can afford a meal you can afford a domain. Get the hostgator baby plan and that's all you need.

    I just made my first dollar in IM. It feels good. Haven't bought any WSO's or any ebooks - just following the great info generous people share for free.

    You don't need money to make money, but it sure helps.
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    • Profile picture of the author outwest
      Originally Posted by jazzG View Post

      outwest, it's easy to make excuses. Everyone has a different financial situation, but if you can afford a meal you can afford a domain. Get the hostgator baby plan and that's all you need.

      I just made my first dollar in IM. It feels good. Haven't bought any WSO's or any ebooks - just following the great info generous people share for free.

      You don't need money to make money, but it sure helps.
      Dude I was making 1000s per month back in the mid 90s when you were probably in diapers in internet marketing, I am not a newbie

      easy to make a few dollars in IM, not making excuses, I am just laying out the realities of the costs involved, and trying to let newbies know that these 2000 bucks per month Adsense threads involve thousands in costs, which they kind of brush by quickly

      there are many ways to make money online, and SEO, Adsense are just a tiny fraction. I bought and sold public auction land in the USA from 2001-2006, sold it all on Ebay, probably made 300k from it, then my favorite source dried up. and I started marketing adult for about 5 yrs, until that went to total crap. I am not a newbie, I have been around the block more than a few times. I just really started learning SEO, Adsense, and all that in August of 2011, on this board. its different skills that have to be learned from what I was used to in Adult.
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  • Profile picture of the author Duc
    Yes... making money with Adsense is not easy. I am inspired by your success and really envy you.
    But there is also another side of this business model, eg Adsense suspension, hosting got hacked, unreliable outsourcers, internet scams, lawyer claims..
    Sadly, I experienced it all...
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    • Profile picture of the author ukcarl
      Originally Posted by Duc View Post

      Yes... making money with Adsense is not easy. I am inspired by your success and really envy you.
      But there is also another side of this business model, eg Adsense suspension, hosting got hacked, unreliable outsourcers, internet scams, lawyer claims..
      Sadly, I experienced it all...
      Sorry to hear about your bad luck and this is true, these things can happen, but if you stick to the rules, have good security and do your own due diligence none of these should be issues.
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    I am really inspired by this, and want see results like this.
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  • Profile picture of the author MarkUSA
    Carl,
    Do you have any tips on how to find good keywords and EMDs besides the info in your ebook? I have Market Samurai, but I am struggling with finding long-tail keywords that I could rank for on the first page of Google?
    I am actually wondering if there is a step-by-step system I can implement for keywords research and then just go ahead and outsource everything else?
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  • Profile picture of the author Dumkist
    Never mind Carl I figured it out :-)
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  • Profile picture of the author sunderkhan
    Hi,
    This post make me think and inspired to do the same thing, But I'm new to this. I'm just wondering if anyone what to do JV with me to make some website for profit. looking forward Thanks.
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    • Profile picture of the author joshpat2
      Originally Posted by sunderkhan View Post

      Hi,
      This post make me think and inspired to do the same thing, But I'm new to this. I'm just wondering if anyone what to do JV with me to make some website for profit. looking forward Thanks.
      hey im am intersted message me
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  • Profile picture of the author patch1308
    Diversify Carl, I used this method starting July last year and was making good money by Christmas. Once the sites reached six months it seemed like the big G took an interest and now I have next to zero income.
    I'd be interested to hear how well your sites are performing a little further down the line.
    I've read lots of stories lately about these thin micro niche sites getting tanked by G.
    I'll repeat, diversify NOW! I wish I did, it's a long road to recovery
    Best regards
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    • Profile picture of the author Dumkist
      Originally Posted by patch1308 View Post

      Diversify Carl, I used this method starting July last year and was making good money by Christmas. Once the sites reached six months it seemed like the big G took an interest and now I have next to zero income.
      I'd be interested to hear how well your sites are performing a little further down the line.
      I've read lots of stories lately about these thin micro niche sites getting tanked by G.
      I'll repeat, diversify NOW! I wish I did, it's a long road to recovery
      Best regards

      Did you get banned by Google adsense ?
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  • Profile picture of the author ukcarl
    Originally Posted by patch1308 View Post

    Diversify Carl, I used this method starting July last year and was making good money by Christmas. Once the sites reached six months it seemed like the big G took an interest and now I have next to zero income.
    I'd be interested to hear how well your sites are performing a little further down the line.
    I've read lots of stories lately about these thin micro niche sites getting tanked by G.
    I'll repeat, diversify NOW! I wish I did, it's a long road to recovery
    Best regards
    I'm sorry to hear this, and I do agree to an extent but, all you need to do is look at the guys over at Adsense Flippers and you can see they are not having this problem, which does beg the question, what did you do different?

    Also I am already starting promoting Amazon and am looking into scaling out some of my more profitable Adsense sites so I do agree diversity is a good thing.

    Originally Posted by MrsJones007 View Post

    Hi Carl.
    Do you ever have any of your brand new sites ending up in the google sandbox?
    Very rarely, thankfully
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  • Profile picture of the author outwest
    The reason Adsense flippers dont have this problem?

    1. I have heard that they HAVE had lots of sites deindexed or whacked, so who says it has never happened to them?

    2. they quickly FLIP the sites and get rid of them, they dont keep them for 6 months , that is probably one reason why they dont keep them, too big a risk
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  • Profile picture of the author hidestar
    are you target the long tail keyword?
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  • Profile picture of the author dwriter
    Great piece! Truly inspirational to us who are still learning IM
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  • Profile picture of the author ukcarl
    Originally Posted by MrsJones007 View Post

    Hi Carl. I downloaded your free guide - and it really is fantastic! I'm working my way through, and already purchased MNF. But one quick question: don't you find your fees on Odesk can add up? Most writers on there want $20 per blog :-/
    Cheers!
    Hi mrs Jones,

    Really happy you are getting stuck in

    Yes odesk can be expensive but, its worth it if you do it right, I do have some tips to help you make this work fast but only for people who are willing to put the work in PM me
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    • Profile picture of the author nisusmirth
      For content I would suggest that you give moeatwa on Fiverr a try. I can't post links yet so just search for him, it's his only gig. I know what you're thinking and I was skeptical too but he's good.

      I was using Textbroker for my main content but from now on I will only use him. Comparing him to Textbroker, he's at least a level 3, possibly level 4.

      Plus he's super fast. Most of my articles have been done in 1-2 hours.
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    • Profile picture of the author mrtrance
      Originally Posted by ukcarl View Post

      Hi mrs Jones,

      Really happy you are getting stuck in

      Yes odesk can be expensive but, its worth it if you do it right, I do have some tips to help you make this work fast but only for people who are willing to put the work in PM me
      Are all your current sites at the #1 position? If not do they make the top 3 easily within like a few weeks to a month with just the backlinking you have described here? Do you still get traffic for sites ranking in the #5-#10 spots since you pick kws which just 1000 exact monthly searches?

      Do you aim to get each site to #1 or top 3 is good enough?
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    • Profile picture of the author dynamoblue
      Originally Posted by MrsJones007 View Post

      Hi Carl, sorry but I don't have enough posts to PM yet. Can you PM me please, as I'm definitely willing to put the work in. I was on MNF for hours yesterday! that thing can be addictive :-)
      BTW, from what I've read online, it seems that getting accepted for adsense is going to be tricky for a brand new site. Any thoughts on this?

      Thanks a million
      I built my first site and it got accepted to adsense within 3 days. I followed the SEO Ranking System (a WSO) and this great WSO that I can't find now. It was about building 10 page niche sites with purchased articles.

      Anyhow, my test site only targeted 1 keyword on 1 page and had the privacy, contact, about and disclaimer pages. It was accepted to adsense within 3 days, was on page 2 of google (with quotes) within a week and then on page 1 with quotes and page 2 without quotes within 2 weeks. I'm stunned at how simple it all was, really.

      Adding additional sites once you have an adsense account is super simple, as all you have to do is create the code and place it on the new site. They will automatically detect the new site. Really easy.
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  • Profile picture of the author burukutuk
    I think when you use microniche sites, you will get banned by Adsense soon. I just see this from many people experiences.
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    • Profile picture of the author theverysmartguy
      Originally Posted by burukutuk View Post

      I think when you use microniche sites, you will get banned by Adsense soon. I just see this from many people experiences.
      This isn't exactly true. Thin sites? Yes, but microniche sites, why? All a microniche site is is a site that is tightly focused on ONE topic. I have several of these types of sites that I have built out to be 30 - 50+ pages. Some get bigger. It all depends on the income they are currently producing. The more they produce, the larger they get because the income they bring in makes me WANT to work on them, and grow them.

      However, I still see thin 4 - 5 page sites that rank in the first place of Google for PLENTY of niches. And when I mean 4 - 5, I mean that includes contact us, about us, and privacy.

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      • Profile picture of the author Dumkist
        Originally Posted by theverysmartguy View Post

        This isn't exactly true. Thin sites? Yes, but microniche sites, why? All a microniche site is is a site that is tightly focused on ONE topic. I have several of these types of sites that I have built out to be 30 - 50+ pages. Some get bigger. It all depends on the income they are currently producing. The more they produce, the larger they get because the income they bring in makes me WANT to work on them, and grow them.

        However, I still see thin 4 - 5 page sites that rank in the first place of Google for PLENTY of niches. And when I mean 4 - 5, I mean that includes contact us, about us, and privacy.

        -- Jeff

        So are you saying that it is ok to have adsense on these 3 page sites ?
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        • Profile picture of the author theverysmartguy
          Originally Posted by Dumkist View Post

          So are you saying that it is ok to have adsense on these 3 page sites ?
          Don't put the adsense on the about us, contact us, or privacy pages, adsense ONLY goes on content pages.

          I personally start out with about 5 pages of content PLUS the contact us, about us and privacy pages. 1 main page, and then 4 supporting pages for it. Sometimes I create more, but for me, this is a bare minimum.

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          • Profile picture of the author Dumkist
            Originally Posted by theverysmartguy View Post

            Don't put the adsense on the about us, contact us, or privacy pages, adsense ONLY goes on content pages.

            I personally start out with about 5 pages of content PLUS the contact us, about us and privacy pages. 1 main page, and then 4 supporting pages for it. Sometimes I create more, but for me, this is a bare minimum.

            -- Jeff

            Thanks Jeff..hey do you know how to stop ads from showing on the privacy page sidebar.. using prosense ?
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      • Profile picture of the author tdj
        Originally Posted by theverysmartguy View Post

        This isn't exactly true. Thin sites? Yes, but microniche sites, why? All a microniche site is is a site that is tightly focused on ONE topic. I have several of these types of sites that I have built out to be 30 - 50+ pages. Some get bigger. It all depends on the income they are currently producing. The more they produce, the larger they get because the income they bring in makes me WANT to work on them, and grow them.

        However, I still see thin 4 - 5 page sites that rank in the first place of Google for PLENTY of niches. And when I mean 4 - 5, I mean that includes contact us, about us, and privacy.

        -- Jeff
        I agree. One of my little 4-5 page sites is now ranking #1 or#2 for the past few weeks. Site is a year old and the only thing I did was backlink very little to this site the first week it was built. Have done absolutely nothing since. Now I want to work on it and grow it.

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    • Profile picture of the author ukcarl
      Originally Posted by burukutuk View Post

      I think when you use microniche sites, you will get banned by Adsense soon. I just see this from many people experiences.
      Adsense ban people who break the rules, thats it, they don't ban you for having small sites

      Comments like yours that are obviously uneducated don't help anyone, so please don't bother commenting unless you know what you are talking about
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    Thanks for the tips.
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  • Profile picture of the author Bramantya Prakosa
    congrats, it doesn't need to be complicated to get success, but most people will struggle when they enter IM game for the first time, great job...
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  • Profile picture of the author speedbird
    Thanks for sharing your plan on how to build small niche-specific sites. I am thinking of going that route and I will definitely reference you plan. Thanks and congratulations!
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  • Profile picture of the author bmcgoff
    If you are worried about thin sites being penalized, don't make thin sites. Cool Hand Luke has a great guide that says all your sites should be 11 pages minimum. And he doesn't add AdSense until a few a weeks after first content has been published.

    I've had initial success with this method and no problems so far...
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  • Profile picture of the author jodiesmitham
    Originally Posted by ukcarl View Post



    Keyword research

    • Each site is focused around just 1 keyword so I find a keyword with at least 1000 exact searches a month, which passes my criteria for low competition which are:
    • Under 100,000 competing pages in Google when searched in quotes the lower the better
    • Low first page competition (to measure this I use Micro Niche Finder)
    Thanks for the information, but how do you find so many keywords fitting this criteria? I've spent the last month trying to find one. I must be doing something wrong!
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    • Profile picture of the author MarkUSA
      Originally Posted by jodiesmitham View Post

      Thanks for the information, but how do you find so many keywords fitting this criteria? I've spent the last month trying to find one. I must be doing something wrong!
      I have exactly the same question, Carl. Do you have a specific system that you follow for finding winning keywords or is it pretty much poking around, looking for ideas and running them through MNF?
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      • Profile picture of the author keithneal
        To people wanting to start building MNS be sure you get all the information to make decent decisions regarding micro niches, low first page competition (this is important), 1000+ in US traffic with a CPC of at least $1 or lower depending on the amount of US traffic.

        Don't worry about Adsense banning you, as long as you follow their rules you'll be fine. But that means you'll need to actually read their policy page.
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        • Profile picture of the author Dumkist
          Originally Posted by keithneal View Post

          To people wanting to start building MNS be sure you get all the information to make decent decisions regarding micro niches, low first page competition (this is important), 1000+ in US traffic with a CPC of at least $1 or lower depending on the amount of US traffic.

          Don't worry about Adsense banning you, as long as you follow their rules you'll be fine. But that means you'll need to actually read their policy page.
          The problem with reading the privacy page is it makes no sense..Google just does not give enough info..I read post on this forum all the time..like don't make sites with less than 10 pages..or less than 25 pages..or it does not matter how many pages your site is..I wish Google would post that in their policy page :confused:


          Also another problem is MFA sites..who really knows what the hell they mean about that to ??

          From what they say if it looks like it is just made for adsense it's a violation..so does that mean if my site just has articles on it and no other content it is a MFA site...and why is that ?...who really knows :confused:

          Another thing I would like to point out is you can forget about building adsense sites based on products..none of them will rank on page one..Google panda made sure of that..don't believe me ?...just go to amazon and start checking the first page of Google for mom and pop sites for product keywords...guess what their is none !...yes that means exact match domains is worthless to !...looks like it is game over folks
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          • Profile picture of the author yukon
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            Originally Posted by Dumkist View Post

            The problem with reading the privacy page is it makes no sense..Google just does not give enough info..I read post on this forum all the time..like don't make sites with less than 10 pages..or less than 25 pages..or it does not matter how many pages your site is..I wish Google would post that in their policy page :confused:


            Also another problem is MFA sites..who really knows what the hell they mean about that to ??

            From what they say if it looks like it is just made for adsense it's a violation..so does that mean if my site just has articles on it and no other content it is a MFA site...and why is that ?...who really knows :confused:

            Another thing I would like to point out is you can forget about building adsense sites based on products..none of them will rank on page one..Google panda made sure of that..don't believe me ?...just go to amazon and start checking the first page of Google for mom and pop sites for product keywords...guess what their is none !...yes that means exact match domains is worthless to !...looks like it is game over folks
            It's never game over with IM!

            Build a useful site that traffic likes & you won't worry about Google so much.
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            • Profile picture of the author Dumkist
              Originally Posted by yukon View Post

              It's never game over with IM!

              Build a useful site that traffic likes & you won't worry about Google so much.

              Mind sharing how you do that ?
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              • Profile picture of the author ukcarl
                Originally Posted by jodiesmitham View Post

                Thanks for the information, but how do you find so many keywords fitting this criteria? I've spent the last month trying to find one. I must be doing something wrong!
                Originally Posted by MarkUSA View Post

                I have exactly the same question, Carl. Do you have a specific system that you follow for finding winning keywords or is it pretty much poking around, looking for ideas and running them through MNF?
                Check out this video I created you may find it useful its my favorite method I use for keyword research How To Research Keywords With Micro Niche Finder And Ezine Articles | Many Passive Streams | Many Passive Streams

                Hope this helps you
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                • Profile picture of the author roger h
                  Super thread, thanks for the share, invaluable info.
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                • Profile picture of the author mrtrance
                  Originally Posted by ukcarl View Post

                  Check out this video I created you may find it useful its my favorite method I use for keyword research How To Research Keywords With Micro Niche Finder And Ezine Articles | Many Passive Streams | Many Passive Streams

                  Hope this helps you
                  OK I had question regarding which keyword would you go after if the MNF data is the following:

                  Keyword 1: 3 words, 720 exact search, 44K Phrase Count, SOC = 105
                  Keyword 2: 3 words, 720 exact search, 220K Phrase Count, SOC = 86

                  Would you pick Keyword 1, Keyword2, both, or neither? and Why?

                  Is your main factor for going after a keyword when the SOC is 50 or less or maybe 50-100 as well if there is enough search and Phrase count is under 100K?

                  Would you go after keywords if the Phrase Count is over 100K, but the SOC is under 50?

                  How about keywords with search volume within 500-1000? Do you make a site with that keyword is SOC is under 50, under 100K phrase count, and CPC is over $1?
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    • Profile picture of the author Builder154
      Originally Posted by jodiesmitham View Post

      Thanks for the information, but how do you find so many keywords fitting this criteria? I've spent the last month trying to find one. I must be doing something wrong!
      This quote is from a few weeks ago but so appropriate.

      I scoured this thread, got my whole plan together, got Micro Niche Finder and was all ready to go.

      Now here I am two days later after spending hours and hours both days and I haven't found more than MAYBE one keyword that I have even the slightest interest in that meets the criteria.

      I'm starting to think the only way to find keywords that meet this criteria is if you're willing to go into the complete and total scam areas like selling bs medicines to desperate people or berry juice that claims to make you a superhero.

      What am I doing wrong? I must have tried 100 different keywords in MNF, done the whole search, filtered down, and barely found a single keyword meeting the criteria. Heck I probably only saw a few in the entire time under 50 SOC alone, without even talking about traffic and the other criteria.

      I feel just like Jodie did.
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      • Profile picture of the author Nathan251
        Originally Posted by Builder154 View Post

        This quote is from a few weeks ago but so appropriate.

        I scoured this thread, got my whole plan together, got Micro Niche Finder and was all ready to go.

        Now here I am two days later after spending hours and hours both days and I haven't found more than MAYBE one keyword that I have even the slightest interest in that meets the criteria.

        I'm starting to think the only way to find keywords that meet this criteria is if you're willing to go into the complete and total scam areas like selling bs medicines to desperate people or berry juice that claims to make you a superhero.

        What am I doing wrong? I must have tried 100 different keywords in MNF, done the whole search, filtered down, and barely found a single keyword meeting the criteria. Heck I probably only saw a few in the entire time under 50 SOC alone, without even talking about traffic and the other criteria.

        I feel just like Jodie did.
        try to use longer-tail keywords, three words and look in many different niches, keep looking, they are there, the opportunities are infinite, just adapt, modify and think laterally - carl will give us a few examples later on
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        • Profile picture of the author Builder154
          Originally Posted by Nathan251 View Post

          try to use longer-tail keywords, three words and look in many different niches, keep looking, they are there, the opportunities are infinite, just adapt, modify and think laterally - carl will give us a few examples later on
          When you say use longer tail keywords, do you mean I have to initially type in the longer tail ones so the keyword tool brings back different terms than if I typed shorter terms? I type in terms of all different sizes. If you mean just filter my results even further by taking out shorter terms, that obviously would only make it even harder to find ones meeting the criteria than now. If you mean that typing in longer terms originally is going to bring back more suitable options, then I can try that. But I have typed in many multi-word phrases and still didn't find much of anything.

          Would definitely like more thoughts from others as well as some ideas from Carl.
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          • Profile picture of the author Nathan251
            Originally Posted by Builder154 View Post

            When you say use longer tail keywords, do you mean I have to initially type in the longer tail ones so the keyword tool brings back different terms than if I typed shorter terms? I type in terms of all different sizes. If you mean just filter my results even further by taking out shorter terms, that obviously would only make it even harder to find ones meeting the criteria than now. If you mean that typing in longer terms originally is going to bring back more suitable options, then I can try that. But I have typed in many multi-word phrases and still didn't find much of anything.

            Would definitely like more thoughts from others as well as some ideas from Carl.
            I mean, typing in longer terms originally


            Carl will have bundles of ideas, did you watch the video his blog where he uses MNF, he gets his inspiration from ezines articles, don't worry builder, everybody sweats the keyword thing at the beginning, it'll take a week or two of using the tool before you get into the groove and are able to find good keywords faster....oh and if a keyword doesn't exactly meet the criteria then you can still go for it, trust your instincts too and don't keep on waiting and waiting for the perfect keyword
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            • Profile picture of the author Builder154
              Originally Posted by Nathan251 View Post

              I mean, typing in longer terms originally


              Carl will have bundles of ideas, did you watch the video his blog where he uses MNF, he gets his inspiration from ezines articles, don't worry builder, everybody sweats the keyword thing at the beginning, it'll take a week or two of using the tool before you get into the groove and are able to find good keywords faster....oh and if a keyword doesn't exactly meet the criteria then you can still go for it, trust your instincts too and don't keep on waiting and waiting for the perfect keyword
              I can try more consciously to type in longer keywords originally. But I know I've tried many 3 and 4 or even more word keywords. Didn't find much with those either.

              Yes I saw Carl's video and actually looked a bit in Ezine articles as well as Amazon to jog my thoughts Understand, I know perfectly well how to use MNF. I used Market Samurai for years. Picking up MNF took no time at all. Same basic idea. So I don't think it's about getting in the groove with the software. I think it's just that probably the only keywords that meet those criteria are really really scammy type things or just arcane things. I keep looking in niches I find interesting and worthwhile and nothing is there that meets the criteria. I imagine I have to probably find some really random very very tiny arcane things. But if that's so I can't imagine having the stomach to spend months writing and promoting topics like that that I have zero interest in. And I don't want to just hire people to put together a bunch of sites on topics I have no interest in.
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              • Profile picture of the author Nathan251
                Originally Posted by Builder154 View Post

                I can try more consciously to type in longer keywords originally. But I know I've tried many 3 and 4 or even more word keywords. Didn't find much with those either.

                Yes I saw Carl's video and actually looked a bit in Ezine articles as well as Amazon to jog my thoughts Understand, I know perfectly well how to use MNF. I used Market Samurai for years. Picking up MNF took no time at all. Same basic idea. So I don't think it's about getting in the groove with the software. I think it's just that probably the only keywords that meet those criteria are really really scammy type things or just arcane things. I keep looking in niches I find interesting and worthwhile and nothing is there that meets the criteria. I imagine I have to probably find some really random very very tiny arcane things. But if that's so I can't imagine having the stomach to spend months writing and promoting topics like that that I have zero interest in. And I don't want to just hire people to put together a bunch of sites on topics I have no interest in.

                hmmm....it'll be interesting to see how Carl explains how he finds a good keyword that meets the criteria on average every half hour

                the thing is builder, if you want to find a micro-niche that meets these tough criteria and that will make money then you may have to be prepared to write about junk and promote junk, if you can't stand the idea of doing that maybe this isn't the model for you or maybe you can still use this model but it won't earn as much
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                • Profile picture of the author Builder154
                  Originally Posted by Nathan251 View Post

                  hmmm....it'll be interesting to see how Carl explains how he finds a good keyword that meets the criteria on average every half hour

                  the thing is builder, if you want to find a micro-niche that meets these tough criteria and that will make money then you may have to be prepared to write about junk and promote junk, if you can't stand the idea of doing that maybe this isn't the model for you or maybe you can still use this model but it won't earn as much
                  Yeah it seems like junk is what it is coming down to. And I'm not sure I'm cut out to just write about every junky scam idea I can find keywords for. It's disappointing because I have a lot of things I'd love to share. But if the only keywords left that you can easily do anything with are just junk then I don't know if I can do it. I wouldn't feel good about putting all that energy into promoting stuff that's just junk.
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                  • Profile picture of the author ukcarl
                    Originally Posted by Builder154 View Post

                    Yeah it seems like junk is what it is coming down to. And I'm not sure I'm cut out to just write about every junky scam idea I can find keywords for. It's disappointing because I have a lot of things I'd love to share. But if the only keywords left that you can easily do anything with are just junk then I don't know if I can do it. I wouldn't feel good about putting all that energy into promoting stuff that's just junk.
                    Builder, you don't need to promote junk, there are endless keywords that meet the criteria.

                    I think your problem might be you are only going after things that interest you, which can be a big mistake, most of my successful sites are in obscure niches that previously I had no interest in.

                    If you use my video that you said you have seen as an example, then all I do is just open a category and just do lots of searches till you find something there is no real science to it, just keep plugging

                    Originally Posted by McCoy View Post

                    nice... anyway how about for those who don't have a website or blog or something.. how can they earn money online??? just a thought.. thanks
                    Get a website or blog or something...
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                    • Profile picture of the author Builder154
                      Originally Posted by ukcarl View Post

                      Builder, you don't need to promote junk, there are endless keywords that meet the criteria.

                      I think your problem might be you are only going after things that interest you, which can be a big mistake, most of my successful sites are in obscure niches that previously I had no interest in.
                      Well I think it's a mix of the two. I am finding, like Jodie earlier in the thread, that there aren't nearly that many keywords meeting the criteria as you make it sound. But this also does have to do with my interests. I think if you're a mechanic, there are a ton of little car parts and things that could make good keywords. But if you're interested in more educational type things, it's a lot harder.

                      I just can't see being excited to make 50 sites about things like some kind of barely known type of wrench or some car part or whatever. And I just am not the type of person to pay someone to write about all these obscure topics.

                      I guess to make this work you have to be willing to just basically sell whatever is selling. Unless your interests align with that, you're going to be very uninterested in your niches and it's going to feel like you're not really passionate at all about any of it.

                      I think the process is pretty sound. I just think if you aren't interested in the types of very obscure things that are still good keywords, it's going to be 100% boring busywork that you might not feel good about.
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                      • Profile picture of the author theverysmartguy
                        Originally Posted by Builder154 View Post

                        Well I think it's a mix of the two. I am finding, like Jodie earlier in the thread, that there aren't nearly that many keywords meeting the criteria as you make it sound. But this also does have to do with my interests. I think if you're a mechanic, there are a ton of little car parts and things that could make good keywords. But if you're interested in more educational type things, it's a lot harder.

                        I just can't see being excited to make 50 sites about things like some kind of barely known type of wrench or some car part or whatever. And I just am not the type of person to pay someone to write about all these obscure topics.

                        I guess to make this work you have to be willing to just basically sell whatever is selling. Unless your interests align with that, you're going to be very uninterested in your niches and it's going to feel like you're not really passionate at all about any of it.

                        I think the process is pretty sound. I just think if you aren't interested in the types of very obscure things that are still good keywords, it's going to be 100% boring busywork that you might not feel good about.
                        To be honest, most of the topics I write about don't interest me all that much. However, I have grown to find them not to bad, as I have stayed with in the safe general topic and niche when doing most of my sites.

                        What keeps me going and motivated is the money I get from each of these sites on a day/weekly/monthly basis.

                        I know money is not a good motivator for everyone, but it is for me. I like money and the freedom it gives me to pursue the things that I like.

                        -- Jeff

                        PS: There are TONS AND TONS AND TONS of almost endless niches out there that are going to meet the minimum requirements stated by Carl.
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                        • Profile picture of the author snakeyes37
                          Oh, didn't even notice that. Thanks, I also noticed there's a 30 day trial for MNF only $7.99.

                          The other thing is UAW is VERY pricey but Carl has said that was the one thing that made a huge difference so it's kinda hard to pass up yet it's so expensive. Not to mention the CTR theme is also another $60.

                          I'm also worried about using Adsense, I've read that alot of people have had their accounts deactivated and all their earnings pulled! There was one marketer that had his account banned after 10 years.

                          Carl, what other methods would you suggest for monetizing aside from Adsense? I was looking into clickbank, I've heard some pretty good things about them. What modifications should be made to your method for affiliate websites?


                          Thanks
                          Nick
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                          • Profile picture of the author theverysmartguy
                            Originally Posted by snakeyes37 View Post

                            Oh, didn't even notice that. Thanks, I also noticed there's a 30 day trial for MNF only $7.99.

                            The other thing is UAW is VERY pricey but Carl has said that was the one thing that made a huge difference so it's kinda hard to pass up yet it's so expensive. Not to mention the CTR theme is also another $60.

                            I'm also worried about using Adsense, I've read that alot of people have had their accounts deactivated and all their earnings pulled! There was one marketer that had his account banned after 10 years.

                            Carl, what other methods would you suggest for monetizing aside from Adsense? I was looking into clickbank, I've heard some pretty good things about them. What modifications should be made to your method for affiliate websites?


                            Thanks
                            Nick
                            What I would do is start out with adsense, and then expand from there and replace it after awhile if you want. There is nothing really EASIER than making money with adsense though, and if you keep following the rules you should be fine.

                            I know there has been a wave of people that have gotten banned from it, and they claim they did nothing, so its hard to say what really got them banned.

                            Keep your head down, build QUALITY content and you should be ok.

                            But, ALWAYS have a back up plan ( Plan B ) ready to roll if something were to happen with your adsense account.

                            This is where choosing your niche can be quite important: make sure there is more than one way to monetize your website before you get into it.

                            -- Jeff
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                            • Profile picture of the author marco005
                              Hi,

                              Great! xfactor fans here, micro niche is always good working when you doing right.

                              @ukcarl, when you build 1 site each day who you buy 100 sb by gig for 5$, you have 5$ costs each dayx30 days= 150$ costs every month you invest for one micro website?

                              Or you buy these 100 sb only for 1 site/page not every page?
                              Please why you not show us 1 of your websites so there we can see your site structure?

                              All the big gurus here who sell wso too, shoing us not their website, why?

                              best wishes
                              marco005
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                              • Profile picture of the author ukcarl
                                Originally Posted by marco005 View Post

                                Hi,

                                Great! xfactor fans here, micro niche is always good working when you doing right.

                                @ukcarl, when you build 1 site each day who you buy 100 sb by gig for 5$, you have 5$ costs each dayx30 days= 150$ costs every month you invest for one micro website?

                                Or you buy these 100 sb only for 1 site/page not every page?
                                Please why you not show us 1 of your websites so there we can see your site structure?

                                All the big gurus here who sell wso too, shoing us not their website, why?

                                best wishes
                                marco005
                                Sites cost just $50 each I only SB the home page.

                                The reason people don't show their sites is to protect their business. Posting info on an open forum could be very dangerous for a number of reasons:
                                • People might steal your niche (I don't want more competition)
                                • People might click your ads thinking they are helping you (which might get you banned)
                                • Malicious people might clickbomb your site (again getting you banned)
                                These are just the first things that spring to mind, to be fair there is more than enough info in this thread and my free guide, I don't understand why people insist on wanting to see a site, what difference will it make, just build one from the instructions and then you can look at your own
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                          • Profile picture of the author ukcarl
                            Originally Posted by snakeyes37 View Post

                            Oh, didn't even notice that. Thanks, I also noticed there's a 30 day trial for MNF only $7.99.

                            The other thing is UAW is VERY pricey but Carl has said that was the one thing that made a huge difference so it's kinda hard to pass up yet it's so expensive. Not to mention the CTR theme is also another $60.

                            I'm also worried about using Adsense, I've read that alot of people have had their accounts deactivated and all their earnings pulled! There was one marketer that had his account banned after 10 years.

                            Carl, what other methods would you suggest for monetizing aside from Adsense? I was looking into clickbank, I've heard some pretty good things about them. What modifications should be made to your method for affiliate websites?


                            Thanks
                            Nick
                            Just to make it 100% clear owning UAW and CTR theme are not essential you can outsource UAW over at fiverr and there are free adsense themes and plugins you can use.

                            In terms of using affiliate offers on sites, I would write the content slightly different there needs to be a certain element of pre-selling, this is why I like Adsense right now, all you need is clicks with Adsense you don't need to make sales, also there are tonnes more topics to target with Adsense compared to say Clickbank, but by all means give it a go, currently my most profitable site is an affiliate site topics are just a little harder to find in my experience
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                          • Profile picture of the author hbwsl
                            Originally Posted by snakeyes37 View Post

                            Oh, didn't even notice that. Thanks, I also noticed there's a 30 day trial for MNF only $7.99.

                            The other thing is UAW is VERY pricey but Carl has said that was the one thing that made a huge difference so it's kinda hard to pass up yet it's so expensive. Not to mention the CTR theme is also another $60.

                            I'm also worried about using Adsense, I've read that alot of people have had their accounts deactivated and all their earnings pulled! There was one marketer that had his account banned after 10 years.

                            Carl, what other methods would you suggest for monetizing aside from Adsense? I was looking into clickbank, I've heard some pretty good things about them. What modifications should be made to your method for affiliate websites?


                            Thanks
                            Nick
                            Hi Nick,

                            there is a currently running WSO for CTR Theme that offers a steep discount for warriors ! check it out here ... CTR Theme Live WSO ..

                            Regards
                            Karthik
                            new owner of CTR Theme
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  • Profile picture of the author visimedia
    very good post bro... keep it up, and will wait for the next useful post from other warriors... (I will give some too)
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  • Profile picture of the author henjon
    Hi, Got a bit tempted to try out this method after reading the post a few weeks ago. I have so far created 5 sites and they all fit the scheme you mention in your post, i.e 5*500 word content (1 landingpage + 2 subpages) of high quality and 100 % unique. 300 spun article submitted etc. etc. Now things looked quite good at first. But yesterday I found that all of the sites had been de indexed from google.. Now I am and have always been conservative with adds and making sure the sites I build offer unique content without beeing spammy. Just seems to me that big G only want A-sites and the micro niche sites are a no-go in their book despite of relevant good content. It all boils down to having more then just two or three pages on the site.. Anyone else experienced this issue?

    Btw. Got rather pissed of I have now removed webmastertools and analytics from all of my sites. No way im gonna make it easy for G to find me if beeing open with them is thanked by de indexing.
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    • Profile picture of the author keithneal
      Originally Posted by henjon View Post

      Hi, Got a bit tempted to try out this method after reading the post a few weeks ago. I have so far created 5 sites and they all fit the scheme you mention in your post, i.e 5*500 word content (1 landingpage + 2 subpages) of high quality and 100 % unique. 300 spun article submitted etc. etc. Now things looked quite good at first. But yesterday I found that all of the sites had been de indexed from google.. Now I am and have always been conservative with adds and making sure the sites I build offer unique content without beeing spammy. Just seems to me that big G only want A-sites and the micro niche sites are a no-go in their book despite of relevant good content. It all boils down to having more then just two or three pages on the site.. Anyone else experienced this issue?

      Btw. Got rather pissed of I have now removed webmastertools and analytics from all of my sites. No way im gonna make it easy for G to find me if beeing open with them is thanked by de indexing.
      So you're saying that because your sites were "thin" Google de-indexed your sites? I'd say you may have done something else wrong, since a lot of people are having success with this method.
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      • Profile picture of the author henjon
        Originally Posted by keithneal View Post

        So you're saying that because your sites were "thin" Google de-indexed your sites? I'd say you may have done something else wrong, since a lot of people are having success with this method.
        Nothing else wrong other than the sites beeing MFA and got caught red handed by a manual review. G will and do ban MFA sites every day for no other reasons than the sites beeing MFA sites. So you might get away with it for some period of time while others get picked up a little faster.

        An informative post on the subject and a post i recommend you all read is this one www makemoneyonlinewithseo dot com/how-not-to-make-money-online This guys lost months of hard work in one wipe.

        Im not saying this to dis encourage you guys, and im not saying that you cannot make a living from mfa site (cause you can). Im just making a point here that the golden coin of MFA sites has a dark side aswell and it is a risky venture (risky as in having all ur sites and potentially months of hard work de indexed).
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        • Profile picture of the author maline
          I really agree with this. Sorry but 3x500 website with a CTR theme, will get you deindexed or banned on adsense.

          You will be caught. Maybe not today, maybe not next month. But you will be caught.

          Some get insprired by websites like niche pursuit, but you just forget one thing. They DONT use CTR themes or any crap like that. And they DONt make 3x500 sites.

          They make quality websites, with at least 7-8 pages of quality content. So they dont get any punishment.

          Anyway for the rest inspiring post, and good luck!



          Originally Posted by henjon View Post

          Nothing else wrong other than the sites beeing MFA and got caught red handed by a manual review. G will and do ban MFA sites every day for no other reasons than the sites beeing MFA sites. So you might get away with it for some period of time while others get picked up a little faster.

          An informative post on the subject and a post i recommend you all read is this one www makemoneyonlinewithseo dot com/how-not-to-make-money-online This guys lost months of hard work in one wipe.

          Im not saying this to dis encourage you guys, and im not saying that you cannot make a living from mfa site (cause you can). Im just making a point here that the golden coin of MFA sites has a dark side aswell and it is a risky venture (risky as in having all ur sites and potentially months of hard work de indexed).
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          • Profile picture of the author outwest
            Originally Posted by maline View Post

            I really agree with this. Sorry but 3x500 website with a CTR theme, will get you deindexed or banned on adsense.

            You will be caught. Maybe not today, maybe not next month. But you will be caught.

            Some get insprired by websites like niche pursuit, but you just forget one thing. They DONT use CTR themes or any crap like that. And they DONt make 3x500 sites.

            They make quality websites, with at least 7-8 pages of quality content. So they dont get any punishment.

            Anyway for the rest inspiring post, and good luck!
            so a 3 page 500 word each page site, is bannable
            but
            a 7 page 500 word articles site is not

            where do you come up with this?
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            • Profile picture of the author maline
              Originally Posted by outwest View Post

              so a 3 page 500 word each page site, is bannable
              but
              a 7 page 500 word articles site is not

              where do you come up with this?
              I used the the word quality. I mean writing about a subject in 3x500 will mostly will be end of keyword stuffing and crap content.

              I suggest 7-8 with quality content, and about different views on a subject. With 600-800 words.

              But Hey, if anyone things 3x500 websites are with CTR theme are the way to go. I would say good luck!
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    • Profile picture of the author MarkUSA
      Originally Posted by henjon View Post

      Hi, Got a bit tempted to try out this method after reading the post a few weeks ago. I have so far created 5 sites and they all fit the scheme you mention in your post, i.e 5*500 word content (1 landingpage + 2 subpages) of high quality and 100 % unique. 300 spun article submitted etc. etc. Now things looked quite good at first. But yesterday I found that all of the sites had been de indexed from google.. Now I am and have always been conservative with adds and making sure the sites I build offer unique content without beeing spammy. Just seems to me that big G only want A-sites and the micro niche sites are a no-go in their book despite of relevant good content. It all boils down to having more then just two or three pages on the site.. Anyone else experienced this issue?

      Btw. Got rather pissed of I have now removed webmastertools and analytics from all of my sites. No way im gonna make it easy for G to find me if beeing open with them is thanked by de indexing.
      I would be very curious to see what Carl says about this. It seems that it affects some people, but not others. It's actually not as simple as you say...there are thousands of people and probably several hundred thousand MFA sites that depend on this income every day. There must be another aspect to this we are not considering.
      Also, how much content should you publish in order for the site not to be considered "thin" any more?
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      • Profile picture of the author henjon
        Originally Posted by MarkUSA View Post

        I would be very curious to see what Carl says about this. It seems that it affects some people, but not others. It's actually not as simple as you say...there are thousands of people and probably several hundred thousand MFA sites that depend on this income every day. There must be another aspect to this we are not considering.
        Also, how much content should you publish in order for the site not to be considered "thin" any more?
        True, give me 20 seconds and I will find MFA sites. I think the problem is that the algorytm can´t catch MFA´s and google only have SO many people to review sites. So it is imo a matter of chance and luck. But there are some factors in play as well. The de index of my sites came after adding webmastertools. I did not break any magical income limit or anything. The other thing that might have caught their eye could be the social bookmarking. To be honest, when using fiverr folks, you don´t really know what you get.

        Google can´t find, identify and ban all MFA sites outthere, but the ones they do get will make people like me whine like I am doing here and that might keep others from start producing MFA´s. Thats the tactic (or so i think).

        Google WANT new sites and they WANT content, but not any content. They want content that the users seek and not crap.

        Now the "thin" content question is imo not that simple. Content can be thin in many ways.

        Thin in the way of making any sense at all
        Thin as in not really providing any useful info
        Thin in the way of not bringing any new info to the web.
        Thin in beeing userfriendly

        So to bring me back to my own case. I am not sure for exactly what reason i got banned, and most likely its a combination.

        - the same familiar wp theme used in mfa sites
        - 3 pages of content 3 pages with contact,privacy,about
        - not much unique graphics

        Now I do have other sites that didn´t get banned. But they are all 10 page+ sites that i´ve made from scratch (no WP). And i guess that google did not ban my adsense account simply cause i deserved a little slap over the hand, and because an mfa site really doesn´t break the adsense TOS (yet).

        So for my part im done with 3 page sites.. better make 1 good site in 1 week than 5 bad and banned ones.
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        • Profile picture of the author Dumkist
          One thing is for sure..you can't rank for product keywords anymore..but Carl did use this type of keyword in his example..not sure how he is ranking for these type of keywords when no body else can :confused:
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          • Profile picture of the author GGpaul
            Originally Posted by Dumkist View Post

            One thing is for sure..you can't rank for product keywords anymore..but Carl did use this type of keyword in his example..not sure how he is ranking for these type of keywords when no body else can :confused:

            Are you sure about this? One of my keywords (a TV) is on page 1 rank number 8 and moving up.
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            • Profile picture of the author wesleywinter
              I took Carl's advice and tried it out on one site. I did the keyword research and everything he mentioned. In just 1.5 weeks I rose to the top 3 of Google for my chosen keyword. This method works if you do the proper research and you have great content!
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  • Profile picture of the author mayan21
    hi ukcarl, im also interested in making small adsense sites, i wanna ask u, if i make a site for a keyword with 2400 Us Exact Match searchers, and 61$ CPC, how much i will earn per month? i wonder if google gonna pay me 63$ per click as the Google keyword show, what u think, can i earn atleast 5$ per click for this keyword?
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    • Profile picture of the author tdj
      Originally Posted by mayan21 View Post

      hi ukcarl, im also interested in making small adsense sites, i wanna ask u, if i make a site for a keyword with 2400 Us Exact Match searchers, and 61$ CPC, how much i will earn per month? i wonder if google gonna pay me 63$ per click as the Google keyword show, what u think, can i earn atleast 5$ per click for this keyword?
      You get about 68%. So if the CPC for the ad is $1, you would make .68 cents for the click thru.

      Todd
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  • Profile picture of the author ExpertSEOServices
    Great Guide
    This really works! I know from first hand experience.
    This is a strategy I use daily and I have many many sites now bringing in a solid monthly income from adsense
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    • Profile picture of the author henjon
      That´s SEO for ya:-) There is no right or wrong way but just a huge toolbox and its up to you to take your pick.. For me after having 1 week´s work banned the this MFA site path is really not that disirable. Just glad it wasn´t 6 months of work that got banned!

      Fyi the sites banned had no keywordstuffing, scraped/spun content, disputable topics or in any other ways using borderline techniques to get rank.

      MFA imo seems a little like fixing a leaking hose with ducktape.. It works but u never know how long it will last. But I do really hope that you guys get away with it, nothing worse than beeing banned. Ruined my day really! If I ever find out on what grounds (other than the sites beeing mfa sites) I got banne, then I will share it with you all so you hopefully can avoid them same faith.
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  • Profile picture of the author stevenfabian
    Thanks for sharing that with us. I've found myself that Fiverr is a great place to outsource link building and even content creation tasks. Once you find enough reliable sellers that delivery within 24 hours, you can definitely make lots of money using them, if you know what you're doing.

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  • Profile picture of the author KentChow
    UK Carl,

    Thank you so much for dropping by and inspiring us.

    Very true indeed. All we need is a simple system and focus on execution persistently. Meanwhile, learn from "failure" and fine-tune the process.

    I'm amazed that you could build a niche site like that on daily basis.

    Way to go! Keep up your great work.

    Kent
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  • Profile picture of the author infoaddicts
    Very informative and action oriented

    keyword research and Backlink strategy are key components for success
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  • Profile picture of the author ish88an
    great man!!! i also want my adsense income to cross 1000$/month.
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  • Profile picture of the author jazzG
    hey carl

    thanks for the guide, it's been a great discussion. I saw you mention you had tips on how to use odesk/outsourcing effectively?

    ive recently started IM and have now made 3 sites, still learning as I go. However I also have money, and would be interested in outsourcing the work (the tedious stuff and possibly even content creation). Have you done this before? What is the return on investment like (ie - I pay $100 for traffic, how long until I've earned that back?)

    Thanks for any advice you have man, love your work
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    • Profile picture of the author dynamoblue
      This question is for anyone currently using social monkee, really. Do you use services like social monkee and social poster/social marker? Or is one good enough.
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    • Profile picture of the author ukcarl
      Originally Posted by jazzG View Post

      hey carl

      thanks for the guide, it's been a great discussion. I saw you mention you had tips on how to use odesk/outsourcing effectively?

      ive recently started IM and have now made 3 sites, still learning as I go. However I also have money, and would be interested in outsourcing the work (the tedious stuff and possibly even content creation). Have you done this before? What is the return on investment like (ie - I pay $100 for traffic, how long until I've earned that back?)

      Thanks for any advice you have man, love your work
      Hey JazzG,

      yeah outsourcing definitely speeds up the process, I currently outsource content creation, parts of the site setup and linkbuilding.

      Its currently costing me $50 per site and if you have the money I would highly recommend it.

      Also you mention buying traffic, if your sites have Adsense on them this is a quick way to get your account banned.
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      • Profile picture of the author mrtrance
        Originally Posted by ukcarl View Post

        Hey JazzG,

        yeah outsourcing definitely speeds up the process, I currently outsource content creation, parts of the site setup and linkbuilding.

        Its currently costing me $50 per site and if you have the money I would highly recommend it.

        Also you mention buying traffic, if your sites have Adsense on them this is a quick way to get your account banned.
        Were your sites hit by the recent Google Panda 3.3 update recently? Did you lose any sort of rankings for your sites?
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        • Profile picture of the author ukcarl
          Originally Posted by mrtrance View Post

          Were your sites hit by the recent Google Panda 3.3 update recently? Did you lose any sort of rankings for your sites?
          Thankfully I can honestly say no change, one site went from 1st to 7th around the time of the update but I am back in 3rd all I did was just another round of UAW, to be honest it was quite a new site so I think it just hadn't quite settled anyway.
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          • Profile picture of the author mrtrance
            Originally Posted by ukcarl View Post

            Thankfully I can honestly say no change, one site went from 1st to 7th around the time of the update but I am back in 3rd all I did was just another round of UAW, to be honest it was quite a new site so I think it just hadn't quite settled anyway.
            Can you give me your feedback on this:

            OK I had question regarding which keyword would you go after if the MNF data is the following:

            Keyword 1: 3 words, 720 exact search, 44K Phrase Count, SOC = 105
            Keyword 2: 3 words, 720 exact search, 220K Phrase Count, SOC = 86

            Would you pick Keyword 1, Keyword2, both, or neither? and Why?

            Is your main factor for going after a keyword when the SOC is 50 or less or maybe 50-100 as well if there is enough search and Phrase count is under 100K?

            Would you go after keywords if the Phrase Count is over 100K, but the SOC is under 50?

            How about keywords with search volume within 500-1000? Do you make a site with that keyword is SOC is under 50, under 100K phrase count, and CPC is over $1?
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            • Profile picture of the author ukcarl
              Originally Posted by mrtrance View Post

              Can you give me your feedback on this:

              OK I had question regarding which keyword would you go after if the MNF data is the following:

              Keyword 1: 3 words, 720 exact search, 44K Phrase Count, SOC = 105
              Keyword 2: 3 words, 720 exact search, 220K Phrase Count, SOC = 86

              Would you pick Keyword 1, Keyword2, both, or neither? and Why?

              Is your main factor for going after a keyword when the SOC is 50 or less or maybe 50-100 as well if there is enough search and Phrase count is under 100K?

              Would you go after keywords if the Phrase Count is over 100K, but the SOC is under 50?

              How about keywords with search volume within 500-1000? Do you make a site with that keyword is SOC is under 50, under 100K phrase count, and CPC is over $1?

              Too be honest for me the keywords should be under 50 SOC and phrase count under 100,000 and the lower the better.

              The reason for this is I am building lots of sites, so while I could rank higher SOC with more work, my current system wouldn't allow for this extra work/time, so I avoid keywords that I cant rank with the system I am currently using
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              • Profile picture of the author mrtrance
                Originally Posted by ukcarl View Post

                Too be honest for me the keywords should be under 50 SOC and phrase count under 100,000 and the lower the better.

                The reason for this is I am building lots of sites, so while I could rank higher SOC with more work, my current system wouldn't allow for this extra work/time, so I avoid keywords that I cant rank with the system I am currently using
                So then the criteria is that both the SOC has to be under 50 and phrase count to be under 100K to considered a keyword that you go after then?

                So if those 2 are met what about search volume? I've been going through MNF and several keywords that I've found with those criteria and exact match available have only like 550-800 exact search volume only, nothing over 1000.

                Does the search volume also has to be over 1000 along with the other 2 criterias to make it a keyword to build a site or do you still consider keywords with search volume of 500 or more if the SOC is under 50 and phrase count under 100K?

                Have you come across with MNF where you can get a SOC under 50, but the phrase count can be like 300K-500K? Would still go after this sort of keyword or not?
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                • Profile picture of the author ukcarl
                  Originally Posted by mrtrance View Post

                  So then the criteria is that both the SOC has to be under 50 and phrase count to be under 100K to considered a keyword that you go after then?

                  So if those 2 are met what about search volume? I've been going through MNF and several keywords that I've found with those criteria and exact match available have only like 550-800 exact search volume only, nothing over 1000.

                  Does the search volume also has to be over 1000 along with the other 2 criterias to make it a keyword to build a site or do you still consider keywords with search volume of 500 or more if the SOC is under 50 and phrase count under 100K?

                  Have you come across with MNF where you can get a SOC under 50, but the phrase count can be like 300K-500K? Would still go after this sort of keyword or not?
                  Yeah I like it to meet those criteria, but I sometimes go under 1000 exact searches, it does help if you have a higher CPC to make it worth it.

                  And in terms of phrase count I cant really comment, personally I wouldn't go over 100k and generally I try to get it as low as possible, I just like keywords I choose to be a sure thing, that I know I can rank easy.
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              • Profile picture of the author henjon
                Originally Posted by ukcarl View Post


                The reason for this is I am building lots of sites,
                how on earth do you keep google from deindexing your whole garden of minisites? I mean it sounds like you use adsense on most of then which it a good guideline for G once the go out an cut down mfa sites.
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                • Profile picture of the author ukcarl
                  Originally Posted by henjon View Post

                  how on earth do you keep google from deindexing your whole garden of minisites? I mean it sounds like you use adsense on most of then which it a good guideline for G once the go out an cut down mfa sites.
                  Simple don't put out s**t content.

                  The sites are thin sure, but the content is quality, original and useful to the reader so I cant see why G would have an issue, they index pages not sites so why would a small site with good content be any less quality than a big site with the same quality of content?

                  Remember these sites are very focused on one keyword, how much content can you really write about 1 keyword?
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  • Profile picture of the author dynamoblue
    Also, is there any since in social bookmarking the same page every so often? Or is once good enough?
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    • Profile picture of the author henjon
      Originally Posted by dynamoblue View Post

      Also, is there any since in social bookmarking the same page every so often? Or is once good enough?
      I would keep SB on the moneypage to a minimum and rather target your blogposts and articles web 2.0´s instead.
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  • Profile picture of the author daddykool
    Well done Carl, at post #13 you say its is not a very exciting method!

    Trust me $2000+ a month and growing is VERY exciting for n00bs, screw the fun pal, carry on at this rate and you can come play with the superstars :-)

    Keep going and this thread is, indeed a great PMA hit for those in the dustbin of IM!
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  • Profile picture of the author joshpat2
    following through will all your steps setup UAW a few days articles are being submitted and got some overseas employees from odesk and socialbook marking has boosted one of my site up to #1 - thanks again man
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    • Profile picture of the author ukcarl
      Originally Posted by joshpat2 View Post

      following through will all your steps setup UAW a few days articles are being submitted and got some overseas employees from odesk and socialbook marking has boosted one of my site up to #1 - thanks again man
      Excellent, glad to see people are taking action with this method and seeing success
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    Thanks for sharing Carl.
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  • Profile picture of the author Lyfe Lyte
    agree 100% here...if you keep organic content...don't do shady or robot tactics..you will be rewarded for it. So many people just keep jumping from one wso to another..they try something for 20 minutes and say..oh that didn't work..on to the next.

    If you master and learn the area you are in..you will be rewarded for doing such...notice all the success stories like this ....they had a plan..stuck with it until it worked..

    Well done...
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    U dont use post rite? only pages?
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  • Profile picture of the author outwest
    Carl you say this is costing you $50 per site? so in three months you had how many sites you made to get to $2000/month? If the question has been asked, I apologize, so many posts in this thread
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    • Profile picture of the author ukcarl
      Originally Posted by outwest View Post

      Carl you say this is costing you $50 per site? so in three months you had how many sites you made to get to $2000/month? If the question has been asked, I apologize, so many posts in this thread
      Hi Outwest,

      I know the thread is pretty big now right!

      Its in there somewhere, but just to update you I currently have 58 sites, I built about the first 5 myself and the rest were outsourced.

      Thanks Carl
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  • Profile picture of the author Majin
    And Booom get your adsense banned and make 0$/month Nice posts and share anyway, just dont put all the eggs in one basket ^^. Don't only make adsense site using this method, try some clickbank, build a list etc. Adsense isn't stable.
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  • Profile picture of the author Adam James
    Great share Carl I love reading these success stories of people who take action and do well a great inspiration for everyone.
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    Just imagine what you will be making 3 years from now! Very impressive
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  • Profile picture of the author SeoKnightsInc
    I am following you ukcarl Its just about 7 weeks and i am at 800$ per month with just one site, i think i will catch you soon
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    • Profile picture of the author ukcarl
      Originally Posted by pbbiet View Post

      I am following you ukcarl Its just about 7 weeks and i am at 800$ per month with just one site, i think i will catch you soon
      Congratulations pbbiet it looks you are doing great, keep up the good work
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    • Profile picture of the author mrtrance
      Originally Posted by pbbiet View Post

      I am following you ukcarl Its just about 7 weeks and i am at 800$ per month with just one site, i think i will catch you soon
      Good for you for taking action.

      Is your site a micro niche site with just 3 posts or have you expanded the site targeting more keywords?
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      • Profile picture of the author SeoKnightsInc
        Originally Posted by mrtrance View Post

        Good for you for taking action.

        Is your site a micro niche site with just 3 posts or have you expanded the site targeting more keywords?
        No not at all, i never believe in short micro niche site with so much less content as its against my ethics also a single change in Google can make your site totally useless. Content is the king so my site have a lot of content and soon i am going to hire more blogger and will make 3-5 posts per day all with 650+ words.

        I dont want my site should suffer from Google due to lack of content.Also from user perspective if you will provide the quality to the users they will return again and again to your site.

        This may seem a little different to many of GOOGLE SNIPERS here but that's what i do.

        Originally Posted by ukcarl View Post

        Congratulations pbbiet it looks you are doing great, keep up the good work
        Thanks man, but i am not following your methods i am just following you in making Money
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  • Profile picture of the author CBusiness
    this is exactly what i was looking into doing recently. thanks for the confirmation!
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  • Profile picture of the author spoiledkid01
    You have sites = 58 Reference
    Exp. Per Site = 50 $
    Total Expense = 58x50 = 2900$
    From your February Income report = $1588.26

    Difference = 2900 - 1588.26 = 1311.74

    I'll Make money by saving that 1311.74 dollars (:

    You make this thread to get traffic to your blog. So people will buy through your affiliates or sign up to your mailing list so you can make money.
    Sorry ... But that is what i learned from your post ... (:
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    • Profile picture of the author theverysmartguy
      Originally Posted by spoiledkid01 View Post

      You have sites = 58 Reference
      Exp. Per Site = 50 $
      Total Expense = 58x50 = 2900$
      From your February Income report = $1588.26

      Difference = 2900 - 1588.26 = 1311.74

      I'll Make money by saving that 1311.74 dollars (:

      You make this thread to get traffic to your blog. So people will buy through your affiliates or sign up to your mailing list so you can make money.
      Sorry ... But that is what i learned from your post ... (:
      You do realize that he didn't create all the sites at once, so the expense of $2900 was spread out over time. Even so, all 3 months combined he made back his money. And on top of that has a passive income coming in each and every month. And he is continuing to grow it month after month.

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      • Profile picture of the author spoiledkid01
        Originally Posted by theverysmartguy View Post

        You do realize that he didn't create all the sites at once, so the expense of $2900 was spread out over time. Even so, all 3 months combined he made back his money. And on top of that has a passive income coming in each and every month. And he is continuing to grow it month after month.

        -- Jeff
        That means this 50$ is just one time fee?
        You dont need to do any back linking after this 50$ investment?
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        • Profile picture of the author theverysmartguy
          Originally Posted by spoiledkid01 View Post

          That means this 50$ is just one time fee?
          You dont need to do any back linking after this 50$ investment?
          Not the way he is making his sites. And that $50 includes the cost of the domain.

          The way he creates his sites is he creates a few pages, and then focuses on 1 keyword to rank for. He bookmarks all the pages, and then uses UAW to automate his backlinking.

          After that he moves on to the next site.

          So yes, the site has a 1 time fee of $50 each.

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          • Profile picture of the author spoiledkid01
            Originally Posted by theverysmartguy View Post

            Not the way he is making his sites. And that $50 includes the cost of the domain.

            The way he creates his sites is he creates a few pages, and then focuses on 1 keyword to rank for. He bookmarks all the pages, and then uses UAW to automate his backlinking.

            After that he moves on to the next site.

            So yes, the site has a 1 time fee of $50 each.

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            That is pretty interesting than
            Thanks jeff.
            The thing that make me curious was just Uk Carl's Expenses and earning report. I am not into adsense but this thing looks good specially for fliping sites. That is what i was wondering for some help in the thread CLICK HERE.
            I would love to see some feedback on fliping sites. From persons who are doing adsense.
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    • Profile picture of the author outwest
      Originally Posted by spoiledkid01 View Post

      You have sites = 58 Reference
      Exp. Per Site = 50 $
      Total Expense = 58x50 = 2900$
      From your February Income report = $1588.26

      Difference = 2900 - 1588.26 = 1311.74

      I'll Make money by saving that 1311.74 dollars (:

      You make this thread to get traffic to your blog. So people will buy through your affiliates or sign up to your mailing list so you can make money.
      Sorry ... But that is what i learned from your post ... (:
      Your analytical skills are sorely lacking, I hope you are not a financial advisor
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      • Profile picture of the author spoiledkid01
        Originally Posted by outwest View Post

        Your analytical skills are sorely lacking, I hope you are not a financial advisor
        lol ... No i am not a financial advisor
        I am still waiting for uk carl's reply on what is the monthly cost for each site after that 50$.
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        • Profile picture of the author outwest
          Originally Posted by spoiledkid01 View Post

          lol ... No i am not a financial advisor
          I am still waiting for uk carl's reply on what is the monthly cost for each site after that 50$.
          Unless he is doing continuing backlinking campaigns that he has not told us about , I doubt he has continuing costs other than hosting
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          • Profile picture of the author spoiledkid01
            Originally Posted by outwest View Post

            Unless he is doing continuing backlinking campaigns that he has not told us about , I doubt he has continuing costs other than hosting
            That is exactly what i want to know
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    • Profile picture of the author ukcarl
      Originally Posted by spoiledkid01 View Post

      You have sites = 58 Reference
      Exp. Per Site = 50 $
      Total Expense = 58x50 = 2900$
      From your February Income report = $1588.26

      Difference = 2900 - 1588.26 = 1311.74

      I'll Make money by saving that 1311.74 dollars (:

      You make this thread to get traffic to your blog. So people will buy through your affiliates or sign up to your mailing list so you can make money.
      Sorry ... But that is what i learned from your post ... (:
      Thats a little unfair I think,

      I posted this thread to give others a little motivation and as aresult I now have people sending me PM's and emails saying how it is working well for them also.

      Feel free to not listen to my advice, but the fact is I have and still am growing a real business here and am happy to give unlimited info on how I did it for free, if people like the advice and decide to visit my blog its a bonus.

      Thanks Carl
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      • Profile picture of the author spoiledkid01
        Originally Posted by ukcarl View Post

        Thats a little unfair I think,

        I posted this thread to give others a little motivation and as aresult I now have people sending me PM's and emails saying how it is working well for them also.

        Feel free to not listen to my advice, but the fact is I have and still am growing a real business here and am happy to give unlimited info on how I did it for free, if people like the advice and decide to visit my blog its a bonus.

        Thanks Carl
        I didn't mean that by any mean
        The only thing i am curious about are the expenses on those sites per month.
        And i am just asking about that nothing else.
        If you dont like my way of asking it. Sorry from my side.
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        • Profile picture of the author ukcarl
          Originally Posted by spoiledkid01 View Post

          I didn't mean that by any mean
          The only thing i am curious about are the expenses on those sites per month.
          And i am just asking about that nothing else.
          If you dont like my way of asking it. Sorry from my side.
          Sounds like crossed wires

          The costs are $50 per site roughly.

          Usually I just leave them after I set them up, with that said, just recently I had a couple of sites in position 4 - 5 that were making $40+ a month, these sorts of sites are worth more link building, dont forget position 1 gets roughly 40% of first page clicks and position 4,5 is more like 5 - 10%.
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          • Profile picture of the author spoiledkid01
            Originally Posted by ukcarl View Post

            Sounds like crossed wires

            The costs are $50 per site roughly.

            Usually I just leave them after I set them up, with that said, just recently I had a couple of sites in position 4 - 5 that were making $40+ a month, these sorts of sites are worth more link building, dont forget position 1 gets roughly 40% of first page clicks and position 4,5 is more like 5 - 10%.
            Pardon me if i sounds like that. But i never mean it

            The thing is,In every adsense guide they tell us how to create and do things but no one discloses the expenses after making them.

            My main focus is to sell them after making and ranking them that is why i was curious about the expenses.

            What are you thoughts on fliping them ukcarl. As it is advised in every adsense guide to sell those which are not full filling your expectations.
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            • Profile picture of the author theverysmartguy
              Originally Posted by spoiledkid01 View Post

              Pardon me if i sounds like that. But i never mean it

              The thing is,In every adsense guide they tell us how to create and do things but no one discloses the expenses after making them.

              My main focus is to sell them after making and ranking them that is why i was curious about the expenses.

              What are you thoughts on fliping them ukcarl. As it is advised in every adsense guide to sell those which are not full filling your expectations.
              Besides the initial cost of creating the site. The only on going expense is hosting the sites, and then renewal of the domain if you keep it for the full year and didn't flip it.

              I think the main reason why it is "advised" is that to allow a site to actually grow and reach its full potential it will need more work. Most of the guides that I have read on creating adsense sites and creating an online empire is that you are only really working on the sites for about a month at max.

              So if any competition were to come in and you weren't actively working on some of those sites you can potentially lose your rankings. So you would flip them, and let someone else take care of them instead. You got the earnings from adsense and of course the amount you flipped it for. Which in all honestly shouldn't be less that 10x and I have seen upwards of 20x ( and the rarities of 24x) earnings.

              People love to buy up sites that are already producing income. Flippa is a sure example of that.

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              • Profile picture of the author keithneal
                Originally Posted by theverysmartguy View Post

                Besides the initial cost of creating the site. The only on going expense is hosting the sites, and then renewal of the domain if you keep it for the full year and didn't flip it.

                I think the main reason why it is "advised" is that to allow a site to actually grow and reach its full potential it will need more work. Most of the guides that I have read on creating adsense sites and creating an online empire is that you are only really working on the sites for about a month at max.

                So if any competition were to come in and you weren't actively working on some of those sites you can potentially lose your rankings. So you would flip them, and let someone else take care of them instead. You got the earnings from adsense and of course the amount you flipped it for. Which in all honestly shouldn't be less that 10x and I have seen upwards of 20x ( and the rarities of 24x) earnings.

                People love to buy up sites that are already producing income. Flippa is a sure example of that.

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                I see what you're saying, but the whole point of targeting the low hanging fruit is that there won't be any competition. These are usually keywords that people do not target directly, and the only competition you should have are other people that happened to find that particular keyword.
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          • Profile picture of the author spoiledkid01
            Originally Posted by ukcarl View Post

            Sounds like crossed wires

            The costs are $50 per site roughly.

            Usually I just leave them after I set them up, with that said, just recently I had a couple of sites in position 4 - 5 that were making $40+ a month, these sorts of sites are worth more link building, dont forget position 1 gets roughly 40% of first page clicks and position 4,5 is more like 5 - 10%.
            Hey UKCarl ...
            You did not mention how much minimum cpc you look for?
            I hav found plenty of emd'd and cpc is very fluctuating from .29$ to 2$.
            How much min cpc you go for and did you check in google by typing keywords whether GOOGLE ADS shows up or not?
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            • Profile picture of the author ukcarl
              Originally Posted by spoiledkid01 View Post

              Pardon me if i sounds like that. But i never mean it

              The thing is,In every adsense guide they tell us how to create and do things but no one discloses the expenses after making them.

              My main focus is to sell them after making and ranking them that is why i was curious about the expenses.

              What are you thoughts on fliping them ukcarl. As it is advised in every adsense guide to sell those which are not full filling your expectations.
              Yeah flipping is definitely a good route to go down and is something I hope to start doing a little more of in the future.

              I have sold just 1 site on flippa.com and I got about 13x monthly income but I have seen people like the guys over at adsense flippers who get over 20x monthly income.

              Originally Posted by spoiledkid01 View Post

              Hey UKCarl ...
              You did not mention how much minimum cpc you look for?
              I hav found plenty of emd'd and cpc is very fluctuating from .29$ to 2$.
              How much min cpc you go for and did you check in google by typing keywords whether GOOGLE ADS shows up or not?
              The minimum CPC I look for is $1, and I don't really check Google, the way I see it is if average cpc is over $1 then there is definitely advertisers
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      • Profile picture of the author sunderkhan
        Originally Posted by ukcarl View Post

        Thats a little unfair I think,

        I posted this thread to give others a little motivation and as aresult I now have people sending me PM's and emails saying how it is working well for them also.

        Feel free to not listen to my advice, but the fact is I have and still am growing a real business here and am happy to give unlimited info on how I did it for free, if people like the advice and decide to visit my blog its a bonus.

        Thanks Carl
        That's right everyone has freedom of choice, If you don't believe on it just go away, mind your own business....

        Keep it going Carl, Thanks for the motivation I started my website london24.info I hope you share more to us..
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    • Profile picture of the author goosefrabah
      Originally Posted by spoiledkid01 View Post

      You have sites = 58 Reference
      Exp. Per Site = 50 $
      Total Expense = 58x50 = 2900$
      From your February Income report = $1588.26

      Difference = 2900 - 1588.26 = 1311.74

      I'll Make money by saving that 1311.74 dollars (:

      You make this thread to get traffic to your blog. So people will buy through your affiliates or sign up to your mailing list so you can make money.
      Sorry ... But that is what i learned from your post ... (:
      LOL someone gives this forum a gem and you sit here with your crazy logic. You save that 1311.74 cents. However after two months all of his debt is wiped out and on the third he makes a cool 1588.26 cents. Then he puts some back in and makes 2000 a month which he makes 10 more sites with by spending just 25% of the profit. You are what is wrong with forums. The man gives out great advice and you come here acting like a stubborn two year old who can't see the big picture.
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      • Profile picture of the author spoiledkid01
        Originally Posted by goosefrabah View Post

        LOL someone gives this forum a gem and you sit here with your crazy logic. You save that 1311.74 cents. However after two months all of his debt is wiped out and on the third he makes a cool 1588.26 cents. Then he puts some back in and makes 2000 a month which he makes 10 more sites with by spending just 25% of the profit. You are what is wrong with forums. The man gives out great advice and you come here acting like a stubborn two year old who can't see the big picture.
        There are heap of gems like this, Wandering in the forum. Its nothing new dude. But in every gem there is a missing part of the puzzle. THE AFTER EXPENSES ON THESE SITES???
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        • Profile picture of the author indirasera
          this really inspiring for newbie like me, will focus on micro niche site. the hardest part in internet marketing business is focus
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    Thanks buddy. This is a great source of motivation for most of we the newbies here.
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  • Profile picture of the author outwest
    I doubt guys are fudging the numbers downward, for their cost/site. Some freely admit they are paying $400-$500/site for content and backlinking,
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    I might have missed this in your thread, but what WP theme or themes do you use?

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    Carl thanks for the thread
    lots of clueless morons posting here
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  • Profile picture of the author ktmakwana
    Congratulations on your success Carl, really inspiring.

    That's really impressive to be getting those results so quickly, you've obviously got a great system in place.

    Based on your figures of outsourcing cost of $50 and the site making $35 per month therefore within 3 months you are achieving break even. Fantastic result!
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    • Profile picture of the author kajol shafiq
      Hi Carl,

      I really feel inspired by your thread and still following you. I am actually dying to put your method to practice, but my problem is different. To begin with, I applied for adsense through hubpages and got approved in Feb2011. My earnings started accruing slowly but after July 2011 it was stopped because I didnot put in the pin code they wanted me to submit. My earning was put on hold and my adsense ads got removed from hubpages. It was only going through your thread that I took a fresh interest in adsense earning, and I went to check my account, which said that my earning has been put on hold because I didnot put in my pin code which google was suppposed to send my at my home address. The fact of the matter is that I never got any such pin code from Google and hence after six moths google has disabled my adsense account! So, I applied for a second pin code, but even after 15 days it has not reached me, so I am not really sure what am I supposed to do now.Could anyone help me? It is becoming irritating because you can hardly communicate with the adsense people and I am just groping in the dark.
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      • Profile picture of the author goosefrabah
        Originally Posted by kajol shafiq View Post

        Hi Carl,

        I really feel inspired by your thread and still following you. I am actually dying to put your method to practice, but my problem is different. To begin with, I applied for adsense through hubpages and got approved in Feb2011. My earnings started accruing slowly but after July 2011 it was stopped because I didnot put in the pin code they wanted me to submit. My earning was put on hold and my adsense ads got removed from hubpages. It was only going through your thread that I took a fresh interest in adsense earning, and I went to check my account, which said that my earning has been put on hold because I didnot put in my pin code which google was suppposed to send my at my home address. The fact of the matter is that I never got any such pin code from Google and hence after six moths google has disabled my adsense account! So, I applied for a second pin code, but even after 15 days it has not reached me, so I am not really sure what am I supposed to do now.Could anyone help me? It is becoming irritating because you can hardly communicate with the adsense people and I am just groping in the dark.
        Looking through google's forum and it seems a lot of people have this problem. They say it takes up to 4 weeks to get to you by mail. If it's not there you need to request another one.

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      • Profile picture of the author tdj
        Originally Posted by kajol shafiq View Post

        Hi Carl,

        I really feel inspired by your thread and still following you. I am actually dying to put your method to practice, but my problem is different. To begin with, I applied for adsense through hubpages and got approved in Feb2011. My earnings started accruing slowly but after July 2011 it was stopped because I didnot put in the pin code they wanted me to submit. My earning was put on hold and my adsense ads got removed from hubpages. It was only going through your thread that I took a fresh interest in adsense earning, and I went to check my account, which said that my earning has been put on hold because I didnot put in my pin code which google was suppposed to send my at my home address. The fact of the matter is that I never got any such pin code from Google and hence after six moths google has disabled my adsense account! So, I applied for a second pin code, but even after 15 days it has not reached me, so I am not really sure what am I supposed to do now.Could anyone help me? It is becoming irritating because you can hardly communicate with the adsense people and I am just groping in the dark.
        Yes I had the same thing happen. Once in awhile you gotta log in to your google acct or read your email. I did not see that google had sent me a PIN by email or mail but there was a notification in my adsense account about it. I requested my PIN and got it and eveything was fine.
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        • Profile picture of the author tdj
          Learning how to check for strength of competition is part of the key here. Look for PR, Number of backlinks, is it a top level domain?, do they have keyword in title, description, and H1 tag? Just for my own guidlines, the top ten results should show no more than 4 TLD and no more than 4 sites with PR 4 or better.

          You can compete with stronger competion it will just take more work and time. Will it be worth it? Depends on. This making money online is all about testing and ROI. Remember there is good reason why people are going after keywords with strong competion. There is money to be made. For some niches, the CPC is so high that even if you are on the second page of results, you can make money without a signifigant amount of clicks and traffic.

          This strategy is about building more sites and making a little from each instead of targeting higher paying keywords with stronger competition and making 1 or 2 sites. You have to work at it no matter what model you choose.
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          • Profile picture of the author Marko Radulovic
            Alright.

            Some results with the new site I built using Carl's method. The keyword is long tail and has quite a low score on MNF competition ranking, and has about 900 exact searches per month. First page I checked on Market Samurai has info article sites like eHow.

            The site is ranking slot 28 for its search term, slot 5 on page one in quotations. I created it maybe 2 weeks ago.

            My hope is that it grows to page 1. I haven't added any advertising yet, and may add content, depending on where it goes.

            I can try another round of UAW now, or I can sit and wait. If the site starts to do better I'll throw more high-quality content at it and see how it goes.

            My concern is that Im seeing google honeymoon results atm. I've had other sites rank really well early on, within a month or so, and then disappear in rankings. What should I be doing during this honeymoon period to build up this site? I had a site ranking slot 14 for a competitive keyword, and now its been hanging in the 70s. I dont want it to happen again.

            The only thing I can think of is that some sites may have unnatural looking link profiles, all on the same hosting account. Could this harm rankings on a site?
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          • Profile picture of the author greenowl123
            Originally Posted by tdj View Post

            Learning how to check for strength of competition is part of the key here. Look for PR, Number of backlinks, is it a top level domain?, do they have keyword in title, description, and H1 tag? Just for my own guidlines, the top ten results should show no more than 4 TLD and no more than 4 sites with PR 4 or better.

            You can compete with stronger competion it will just take more work and time. Will it be worth it? Depends on. This making money online is all about testing and ROI. Remember there is good reason why people are going after keywords with strong competion. There is money to be made. For some niches, the CPC is so high that even if you are on the second page of results, you can make money without a signifigant amount of clicks and traffic.

            This strategy is about building more sites and making a little from each instead of targeting higher paying keywords with stronger competition and making 1 or 2 sites. You have to work at it no matter what model you choose.
            Good post.

            Analyzing competition is vital. I like going after lower hanging fruit for now, but maybe later I will go after tougher keywords when I have more to invest in SEO for them.

            I like that you look for less than 4 sites of PR4 - I always look for at least 1 or 2 blogs with no PR at all or if I see a squidoo lens, yahoo answer, or an article from some article directory, I will go for it.

            Good luck to all.
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          • Profile picture of the author greenowl123
            Originally Posted by tdj View Post

            Learning how to check for strength of competition is part of the key here. Look for PR, Number of backlinks, is it a top level domain?, do they have keyword in title, description, and H1 tag? Just for my own guidlines, the top ten results should show no more than 4 TLD and no more than 4 sites with PR 4 or better.

            You can compete with stronger competion it will just take more work and time. Will it be worth it? Depends on. This making money online is all about testing and ROI. Remember there is good reason why people are going after keywords with strong competion. There is money to be made. For some niches, the CPC is so high that even if you are on the second page of results, you can make money without a signifigant amount of clicks and traffic.

            This strategy is about building more sites and making a little from each instead of targeting higher paying keywords with stronger competition and making 1 or 2 sites. You have to work at it no matter what model you choose.
            Good way to analyze competition. It took me a while to understand how important it is to REALLY comprehend how to analyze competing blogs on the 1st page of SERPs. I have my own criteria for sizing up the competition, but your method is good too.

            Good luck to all.
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            • Profile picture of the author kajol shafiq
              Hi Carl,

              Haven't heard from you for a while. At any rate, I have a question for you. Since my adsense account has been kept on hold, for I am yet to receive my pincode, I can't at present add adsense to any of my site. Can I instead do the same keyword reasearch as you suggested and then add a affiliate link to sell any of the products presently available on the market, say a weight loss supplement ? Will it be successful to promote affiliate products following your method?

              Thanks in advance.
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    Great guide, but I usually you will need more than 2 gigs to rank your site top 5 and make it stay there.
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  • Profile picture of the author eezymoney
    Carl - This is an amazing way to grow your business quickly.

    Thanks for laying out your methods, so that I can start following them.
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    Hi Carl great thread I am growing a Adsense empire just like you, look forward to hearing more of your success.
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    Warriors like you motivate other beginners.Good luck and keep sharing.
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    • Profile picture of the author ukcarl
      Originally Posted by eezymoney View Post

      Carl - This is an amazing way to grow your business quickly.

      Thanks for laying out your methods, so that I can start following them.
      Cheers eezymoney glad you are giving it a shot just stick with it and I promise you wont be dissapointed

      Originally Posted by Adam James View Post

      Hi Carl great thread I am growing a Adsense empire just like you, look forward to hearing more of your success.
      Its a great little business Adam hope you have success with your empire

      Originally Posted by AnnaSEO View Post

      Warriors like you motivate other beginners.Good luck and keep sharing.
      Glad to hear it is motivating you Anna, just make sure you take that motivation and run with it, the sooner you start work the sooner you will start earning money with this
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    Hey Carl, thanks so much for sharing your successes. It's always refreshing to hear someone on here that seems genuinely interested in sharing and responding to questions and comments that isn't attached to a WSO
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    ^ Agreed. Hopefully you don't bring out a WSO in the next few days haha.
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  • Profile picture of the author outwest
    ya I have a feeling a lot of these 0 to 2000 in 3 months guys got spanked by BMR and AMR getting clubbed by Google. I know that Freeson I asked him if he got hurt he said his #1 site got kicked to number 3 which I know would cost a ton of money per month. Now he wont even answer my pm's so I guess he is either depressed or mad or whatever
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    • Profile picture of the author ukcarl
      Originally Posted by JaredCyn View Post

      Hey Carl, thanks so much for sharing your successes. It's always refreshing to hear someone on here that seems genuinely interested in sharing and responding to questions and comments that isn't attached to a WSO
      Originally Posted by Juvv2096 View Post

      ^ Agreed. Hopefully you don't bring out a WSO in the next few days haha.
      Ha Ha yeah dont worry guys no WSO I already give a 40 page guide free on my site

      Originally Posted by outwest View Post

      ya I have a feeling a lot of these 0 to 2000 in 3 months guys got spanked by BMR and AMR getting clubbed by Google. I know that Freeson I asked him if he got hurt he said his #1 site got kicked to number 3 which I know would cost a ton of money per month. Now he wont even answer my pm's so I guess he is either depressed or mad or whatever
      Well I can tell you this update hasn't affected me one bit, most of my sites are very stable and I am hoping I will see a slight increase month on month.

      With that said I have noticed a couple of my sites in certain niches slow down a little but a lot of topics are seasonal so I did expect this.

      I do notice people talking about sites tanking due to BMR and the like, but I cant really comment, as I don't use anything like this.

      I like to just stick with social bookmarks and article marketing, these in my opinion are more white hat due to not paying for links, plus both have worked for years, and while the new hot linkbuilding techniques eventually get slapped, these seem to always come out the other side unscathed
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      • Profile picture of the author spoiledkid01
        Originally Posted by ukcarl View Post

        Ha Ha yeah dont worry guys no WSO I already give a 40 page guide free on my site



        Well I can tell you this update hasn't affected me one bit, most of my sites are very stable and I am hoping I will see a slight increase month on month.

        With that said I have noticed a couple of my sites in certain niches slow down a little but a lot of topics are seasonal so I did expect this.

        I do notice people talking about sites tanking due to BMR and the like, but I cant really comment, as I don't use anything like this.

        I like to just stick with social bookmarks and article marketing, these in my opinion are more white hat due to not paying for links, plus both have worked for years, and while the new hot linkbuilding techniques eventually get slapped, these seem to always come out the other side unscathed
        Agreed with UKCarl here ...
        Get back to old techniques they still work. Start from directory submission than to social bookmarking and than article submission. If possible make some web 2.0's. And backlink those web 2.0's with fiver gigs.
        Have a look at fiver there are people who will do all these things for $5.
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    Carl can you reccomned some good Fiverr gigs for new sites ?
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  • Profile picture of the author Builder154
    Carl and others. I really liked this method and was about to start trying it. Then I saw what happened with BMR.

    I tried to post links to threads on this forum and also to BMR's own blog about what happened but not enough posts to do so, but you can verify it yourselves.

    Just about everything posted through BMR was de-indexed in the last day or two as Google had enough.

    So my question is, is the same thing going to happen with UAW? If it does, then this method is useless or at least very risky. Is there anything special or different about UAW that would keep it going while links through places like BMR start getting de-indexed?

    Carl and anyone else please give your thoughts before I invest time and energy in this method. And if BMR won't work, UAW isn't safe and so on, then what are we to do to get backlinks in any reasonable amount of time and effort?
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    • Profile picture of the author theverysmartguy
      Originally Posted by Builder154 View Post

      Carl and others. I really liked this method and was about to start trying it. Then I saw what happened with BMR.

      I tried to post links to threads on this forum and also to BMR's own blog about what happened but not enough posts to do so, but you can verify it yourselves.

      Just about everything posted through BMR was de-indexed in the last day or two as Google had enough.

      So my question is, is the same thing going to happen with UAW? If it does, then this method is useless or at least very risky. Is there anything special or different about UAW that would keep it going while links through places like BMR start getting de-indexed?

      Carl and anyone else please give your thoughts before I invest time and energy in this method. And if BMR won't work, UAW isn't safe and so on, then what are we to do to get backlinks in any reasonable amount of time and effort?
      UAW is not even close to the same as BMR.

      UAW is basically a mass article submission site. There are 1000s of websites within the submission process, a lot of them now owned by UAW itself ( they used to have more outside people own them, but they have been changing that as of late ).

      Where the sites on BMR were made up of 150 word blurb posts, the articles you submit to UAW have to be 400+ words to even get in the door.

      But like I said, its a different beast altogether; they stumbled awhile back, but have been picking up speed again lately.

      Another thing to remember is: It is not the tools that you have that allow you to achieve what you desire, it is HOW you use those tools that make it happen.

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  • Profile picture of the author Builder154
    Thanks for the reply. I'm not sure I'm clear on how there is a major difference. UAW posts to thousands of websites, many of which it owns. Isn't that exactly what BMR did? I guess I'm not totally clear on how BMR worked so please explain these differences a bit more.

    And the article quality for UAW is that much better than BMR that it makes you not worry about it having the same fate?

    You say it's how you use the tools that matter, but that's not true. Everyone who used BMR is now hurt, regardless of whether they used it wisely or not. When you use a service, your fate is tied to everyone else using that service. Even if you use it wisely, if others don't, you pay also.
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  • Profile picture of the author jwmann2
    Why not just create a website you are passionate about and not worry about how much money you make immediately? If you are an expert on your niche, the money will eventually come. One website a day sounds like a lot of work.
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  • Profile picture of the author Builder154
    Well jwmann2, that's really a separate discussion which can be had in another thread. As for me, I have had sites I'm passionate about for years. None of them make hardly anything. I want to make some money to free me up to pursue my passions more. But those passion sites are not moneymakers.

    But this thread is more about strategy. If you want to debate whether we should be trying to make many sites to make money that's a different thread I think.

    I really am most concerned right now about discussing backlink strategy in the wake of the BMR de-indexing, especially if this puts UAW at risk.
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    • Profile picture of the author theverysmartguy
      The sites in the UAW network are "real" where the sites in the BMR network are just there for links. Or rather WERE there as they have all been taken down due to BMR no longer existing.

      UAW only wants good content in their network. Where BMR was only blurbs of 150 words. That only had to touch on the subject with the single link pointing out.

      There is a HUGE difference when it comes to 150 word blurb and a MINIMUM of 400 word articles of actual content.

      With UAW you will actually see results over a longer period of time rather than with BMR when you could see results quite quick because of the front page high PR link. That looks more natural in the end.

      Another way to think of it is like with most article directories viewers have the option of taking that article and putting it on their page. Well with UAW instead of waiting for the visitor to do that, you show a ton of website owners that you have "unique" articles ready to post to their site that relates to their website.

      There are many alternatives to UAW. It works for Carl, and I know it has worked for me in the past as well.

      When it stops working, the people who are using it will stop using it. ~shrugs~

      -- Jeff

      PS When people get paranoid about doing something they tend not to take action. See through all the doom and gloom online and realize that the sky is not falling. Take action, that is the only true way to know if something is going to work for you or not.
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      • Profile picture of the author ukcarl
        Originally Posted by theverysmartguy View Post

        The sites in the UAW network are "real" where the sites in the BMR network are just there for links. Or rather WERE there as they have all been taken down due to BMR no longer existing.

        UAW only wants good content in their network. Where BMR was only blurbs of 150 words. That only had to touch on the subject with the single link pointing out.

        There is a HUGE difference when it comes to 150 word blurb and a MINIMUM of 400 word articles of actual content.

        With UAW you will actually see results over a longer period of time rather than with BMR when you could see results quite quick because of the front page high PR link. That looks more natural in the end.

        Another way to think of it is like with most article directories viewers have the option of taking that article and putting it on their page. Well with UAW instead of waiting for the visitor to do that, you show a ton of website owners that you have "unique" articles ready to post to their site that relates to their website.

        There are many alternatives to UAW. It works for Carl, and I know it has worked for me in the past as well.

        When it stops working, the people who are using it will stop using it. ~shrugs~

        -- Jeff

        PS When people get paranoid about doing something they tend not to take action. See through all the doom and gloom online and realize that the sky is not falling. Take action, that is the only true way to know if something is going to work for you or not.
        This is a good point.

        PersonalyI am not seeing any difference in rankings due to UAW, I assume it is down to the fact that BMR was a spammy privately owned network built to provide spammy links.

        UAW is a lot more like article marketing in the way your articles are sent to other peoples real sites and article directories, it is not a privately owned network.

        With that said I think perhaps UAW should stop excepting spun content this would certainly improve quality.

        You can rewrite 2 articles in no time it all, it boils down to the fact that if you rely on spammy of the moment tactics eventually you will get slapped.
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        • Profile picture of the author ukcarl
          Originally Posted by Builder154 View Post

          This is exactly my point. But Carl's strategy does not diversify and that's why it worries me. It sounds very appealing to just use UAW and social bookmarking, but that doesn't seem diverse enough. I might feel better using one or two other strategies, but not sure which ones. I'd love to hear why Carl thinks it's safe using basically just UAW for backlinks and not diversifying and what the next choices would be to add to that.

          UAW sounds great because it's so automated and efficient. I would love to add one or two other methods that are also very efficient. Manually building blogs and things or paying people constantly to do it adds up in time and money.

          Basically I really want a nice, sensible rinse-and-repeat method and that's why Carl's appeals to me but the fear of only one main link source continues to worry me and I'm not experienced enough to know what would be the best way to handle this while still keeping the method nice and smooth and rinse-and-repeat.
          Hi builder 154,

          I agree my stratergy is very simple and not too diverse however it does mean I can test a lot of niches fast as a result I have found about 20% of my sites are the top earners, going forward I am now considering building out my winners.

          Once I start building out my sites I am planning on getting back to more manual link building like articles, blog commenting, press release, etc

          Originally Posted by joshpat2 View Post

          carl UAW blocking the link reports whats your take on this ?
          I suspect they are just trying to protect their network

          Originally Posted by sunderkhan View Post

          Hi, can I ask what themes are you using and where can I get it or buy. Nice website how old are they now. thanks
          I am using CTR Theme for adsense and my personal site is profits theme
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          • Profile picture of the author Builder154
            Carl,

            This makes total sense. Use UAW and social bookmarking to test and weed out your best performers,then diversify the links to strengthen those. Now my only question is I would like to have a process for those next rounds of linking that is as clear and rinse-and-repeat. Whenever people talk about linking they are so vague like "Oh I'll do some commenting and press releases or whatever." But I want a really step by step process just like you have for the rest of it for that also. I always feel really like I'm going by the seat of my pants with linkbuilding and it isn't a good system. I like UAW and social bookmarking the way you describe it because it's a system where I know exactly what to do and when I'm done. But with the rest of the linking I don't know what I'm doing all that well and that is what I would like more info on.
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  • Profile picture of the author Builder154
    Thanks for explaining UAW vs. BMR. I didn't really know a lot about how BMR works so I didn't realize how obviously unnatural their links were and that UAW was so much better. That helps if what you say is accurate.

    You said UAW worked for you. So why did you stop using it?

    The problem is when these things stop working, it doesn't just stop working in the future, it takes with it all your work from the past in one fell swoop. So I'm just trying to be smart about this. I don't think it's paranoia when you see what Google just did to BMR and realize that is very likely a sign of them going after these types of networks in general. Every so often there is a paradigm shift in this business and you have to stay on top of it. That's not paranoia it's common sense.

    I'm a person of action and have taken massive action many times. However, I've not taken it on sites with much commercial potential. I want to try that now. But I just want to do the best I can to make sure my work is going into activities that are going to hold up in the long run. I think it's worth asking what the future of things like UAW is. It isn't only BMR, but other article directories have been reduced in rank in the last few Panda updates too. And, especially using Carl's method, basically your entire link profile is dependent on the sites UAW distributes to. If anything happens, you've just lost your entire link profile.

    So it sounds like UAW is likely still a good option at the moment. But I'm curious if anyone else is thinking the whole article directory network scene is going to work less and less soon and if so what would be the next approach? Or are there any other relatively efficient methods to do alongside that to diversify?
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    • Profile picture of the author theverysmartguy
      I do still use it, not as heavily as I once did though.

      I got caught up in the BMR craze for awhile and was ignoring other backlinking methods. This in itself was a big big mistake.

      Now I am back to diversifying my linking methods.

      I have recently added Magic Submitter to my arsenal. Its the same price as UAW.

      I am using both methods now to strengthen my rankings. I have learned my lesson from relying on only one type of linking method.

      I know that people are worried about using a method and then it not working down the road and then all that work going down the drain. That is why you need to diversify your tactics so that it doesn't matter much if 1 method falls through.


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      • Profile picture of the author Nathan251
        I like Carl's strategy, simple but effective but not fullproof.

        Also let's look closely at the costs for newbies

        To begin with you need Micro Niche finder, cost is 100 dollars I think. (one off fee, keep it forever)

        You need a hostgator baby package, cost is about 4-5 dollars a month I think

        wordpress is free but the CTR theme is about 70 dollars (one off fee, keep it forever)

        then say you make 20 sites in the first month or so, that is 20 domain names at 10 dollars a pop = 200 dollors

        pay a guy at fiverr to submit you url to social bookmarking sites = 5 dollars per site

        pay a guy at fiverr to write an SEO article for you site = 5 dollars per article = 20-25 dollars per site

        finally the cost of using the UAW tool is 67 dollars a month


        so it all adds up, if your sites do well and you do your keyword research well you will make a profit eventually (if google don't hit the UAW tool or if your sites aren't penalised for being obviously MFA)

        I would advise newbies to do a cost analysis and budget based on a conservative estimate of 10 dollars per month per site


        I also have a few questions for Carl

        1. Did you pay for the privacy page generator?

        2. Is it worth getting a terms and conditions page generator

        3. Is it necessary to pay some guy on fiverr to submit to social bookmarking sites? Does UAW not do this already?

        4. How do you decide your LSI keywords?

        5. Any chance of PMing me one or two of your site URLs so I see an example of your site structure?

        6. Why are you stopping when you get to $3000 dollars month, if it works why not keep going?

        7. A lot of people are sysing diversify, so amazon, clickbank and affiliates should be experimented with soon but can you give some feedback on which type of site is suitable to which strategy i.e. info based stuff for adsense and product based stuff for clickbank?

        8. what are your key concerns? Do you think UAW will be targetted? How can you be sure Google won't eventually define your sites as MFA and penalise you?


        Thanks for help with this, I'd be happy to go with this strategy if I get answers to these questions, I'd urge people though to be aware there is no magic solution, that they must keep their eyes open and not be under any illusions that the bubble may burst at any moment and they should be prepared for that, in light of that last point I'd ask Carl finally

        9. what are your contingency plans if things go tits up?
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        • Profile picture of the author spoiledkid01
          Originally Posted by Nathan251 View Post


          5. Any chance of PMing me one or two of your site URLs so I see an example of your site structure?
          Here are the samples Dunno who owns them but i found them right here on this page
          Cloudy pool water
          Power plate reviews

          And guy is paying to someone for forum link building ... THE LINK DIVERSIFY THING
          UkCarl has given his technique of backlinking, You can develop your own if you dont want to follow him. Those will be your sites man do whatever you want to do with them
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      • Profile picture of the author Builder154
        Originally Posted by theverysmartguy View Post

        I know that people are worried about using a method and then it not working down the road and then all that work going down the drain. That is why you need to diversify your tactics so that it doesn't matter much if 1 method falls through.
        This is exactly my point. But Carl's strategy does not diversify and that's why it worries me. It sounds very appealing to just use UAW and social bookmarking, but that doesn't seem diverse enough. I might feel better using one or two other strategies, but not sure which ones. I'd love to hear why Carl thinks it's safe using basically just UAW for backlinks and not diversifying and what the next choices would be to add to that.

        UAW sounds great because it's so automated and efficient. I would love to add one or two other methods that are also very efficient. Manually building blogs and things or paying people constantly to do it adds up in time and money.

        Basically I really want a nice, sensible rinse-and-repeat method and that's why Carl's appeals to me but the fear of only one main link source continues to worry me and I'm not experienced enough to know what would be the best way to handle this while still keeping the method nice and smooth and rinse-and-repeat.
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  • Profile picture of the author Builder154
    Anyone else notice the thread says it has 8 pages but clicking on page 8 just loads page 7 again?
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  • Profile picture of the author dimitri banks
    Thank's Carl ! Doing same here , really at the beginning at the moment , 3 websites for now and income is minimal but posts like this making my spirit go UP and I am again ready to fight my way to freedom !
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    • Profile picture of the author sunderkhan
      Hi, can I ask what themes are you using and where can I get it or buy. Nice website how old are they now. thanks
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  • Profile picture of the author joshpat2
    carl UAW blocking the link reports whats your take on this ?
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  • Profile picture of the author danieljohansson
    Great post - And I agree, outsourcing is very important... It helps you to focus on areas where your time and presence are more important to the business. For me it's marketing process and sales relations. JVs as well...
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  • Profile picture of the author environs
    Dear Carl!

    Hi, congratulations and thank you for sharing the steps you followed. Hope I can achieve my goals soon.
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  • Profile picture of the author porkchopexpress
    Thanks for this carl, I am doing this stuff in my "spare" time of working on the stuff that bob ross brought to the warrior table. I was actually coming here to check up on how you did with the shutdown the other day, its good to hear you werent affected.
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    • Profile picture of the author CatherineMay
      Hi, this is a very interesting thread, to say the least. Thanks so much for the motivating shot-in-the arm!

      I've never used this CTR theme before although I've heard a lot about it. Doesn't it have several ad spaces above the fold? Do you use them all?

      Are you concerned about the recent google emphasis on ads not being the focus above the fold? My understanding is that one ad is okay as long as it doesn't push down the content too far.

      So, I'm wondering what you've been doing with this theme, and if you've been using a lot of above-fold ad space, if you plan on changing that.

      I apologize if this has been already discussed higher up the thread, but I did a quick look over it again and didn't see this particular question.

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      • Profile picture of the author hbwsl
        Originally Posted by CatherineMay View Post

        Hi, this is a very interesting thread, to say the least. Thanks so much for the motivating shot-in-the arm!

        I've never used this CTR theme before although I've heard a lot about it. Doesn't it have several ad spaces above the fold? Do you use them all?

        Are you concerned about the recent google emphasis on ads not being the focus above the fold? My understanding is that one ad is okay as long as it doesn't push down the content too far.

        So, I'm wondering what you've been doing with this theme, and if you've been using a lot of above-fold ad space, if you plan on changing that.

        I apologize if this has been already discussed higher up the thread, but I did a quick look over it again and didn't see this particular question.

        Catherine
        Hi Catherine,

        I am the new owner of CTR Theme and would like to confirm that you can try a variety of layouts of your ads using and stick with the layout that gives you best results.

        There is one layout that has both the ad blocks above the fold, but this can easily be unselected or the ads can be pushed down below the fold using pushdown images.

        In case you want to try the theme, here is a link to a live WSO here .. CTR theme live WSO .

        Wishing you luck in your online ventures !

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  • Profile picture of the author joshpat2
    carl one of my sites just got sandboxed from #1 to no where i just started using the uaw on it at 20 a day in the last week also i installed the plugin to recieve content from them..... have you had anything like this happne to you ?
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    • Profile picture of the author nik0
      Banned
      ALN also lost 5000 sites which are user sites, same like UAW but must admit thats still a lot less then 90% like BMR and highPRsociety and others....
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    • Profile picture of the author ukcarl
      Originally Posted by joshpat2 View Post

      carl one of my sites just got sandboxed from #1 to no where i just started using the uaw on it at 20 a day in the last week also i installed the plugin to recieve content from them..... have you had anything like this happne to you ?
      Hey Joshpat I would suggest not using their plugin and Adsense together, Google dont like any form of duplicate content, even though this is spun and mixed up its not 100% personally I wouldnt mix the two.

      In regard to being sandboxed I'm afraid it does happen from time to time just keep moving and build another site
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      • Profile picture of the author joshpat2
        Originally Posted by ukcarl View Post

        Hey Joshpat I would suggest not using their plugin and Adsense together, Google dont like any form of duplicate content, even though this is spun and mixed up its not 100% personally I wouldnt mix the two.

        In regard to being sandboxed I'm afraid it does happen from time to time just keep moving and build another site


        thanks man
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        • Profile picture of the author bkat52
          hey carl, or anybody... i just came across a gig on fiverr offering to submit my articles to UAW. Do you see any risk for your adsense account being abused in doing this? My thought is this guy will now have my domain name and my niche and not sure if this is something you have had to deal with yet.

          Trying to decide whether to outsource the UAW submissions for $5 a site or go ahead and pony up the $67/mo and do it myself. My network of sites isnt big enough yet to warrant the monthly costs, but if it means I can avoid a potential issue with my adsense account then I would certainly go for it. Anyhow, let me know what you think.

          thanks
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          • Profile picture of the author ukcarl
            Originally Posted by bkat52 View Post

            hey carl, or anybody... i just came across a gig on fiverr offering to submit my articles to UAW. Do you see any risk for your adsense account being abused in doing this? My thought is this guy will now have my domain name and my niche and not sure if this is something you have had to deal with yet.

            Trying to decide whether to outsource the UAW submissions for $5 a site or go ahead and pony up the $67/mo and do it myself. My network of sites isnt big enough yet to warrant the monthly costs, but if it means I can avoid a potential issue with my adsense account then I would certainly go for it. Anyhow, let me know what you think.

            thanks
            If you outsource anything like content linkbuilding etc you need to share you URL so its necessary, it should be fine.

            One word of advice if you order a fiverr gig for UWA make sure they dont give you suprise extras, a friend of mine got a gig and the provider took it on himself to add a load of extra junky "bonus" links and as a result his site was sandboxed
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            • Profile picture of the author bkat52
              Originally Posted by ukcarl View Post

              If you outsource anything like content linkbuilding etc you need to share you URL so its necessary, it should be fine.

              One word of advice if you order a fiverr gig for UWA make sure they dont give you suprise extras, a friend of mine got a gig and the provider took it on himself to add a load of extra junky "bonus" links and as a result his site was sandboxed
              I'll keep that in mind. That is one reason I've been very cautious with fiverr gigs. Never bought links off fiverr, never will. It's just too risky in my opinion.

              What are your thought on the max number of adsense sites you should have on a single hosting account. I've heard various answers from 10 to unlimited.
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              • Profile picture of the author ukcarl
                Originally Posted by bkat52 View Post

                I'll keep that in mind. That is one reason I've been very cautious with fiverr gigs. Never bought links off fiverr, never will. It's just too risky in my opinion.

                What are your thought on the max number of adsense sites you should have on a single hosting account. I've heard various answers from 10 to unlimited.
                well all mine are on shared hosting still the same account, so I cant really comment on what is the max number mine still seem fine but as my personal site starts getting more traffic and I start scaling my winners I'm sure it will soon be time to move up to a bigger server
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                • Profile picture of the author Builder154
                  Originally Posted by ukcarl View Post

                  well all mine are on shared hosting still the same account, so I cant really comment on what is the max number mine still seem fine but as my personal site starts getting more traffic and I start scaling my winners I'm sure it will soon be time to move up to a bigger server
                  Carl,

                  What about the pen names on your articles and do you hide your info on the whois when buying domains, even though it costs more? Or do you just let your real name and info be on all of those many domain listings all over the web?
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  • Profile picture of the author Beno27
    Thanks for the inspiration - I currently dont work in small niches, and its tough to gain a foothold!
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  • Profile picture of the author Beno27
    Also Carl as you're UK are yours all .coms or do you use .co.uk domains?
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  • Profile picture of the author razza
    Thanks for the advice
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  • Profile picture of the author Caroline snip
    Its the rule - it takes time and continual energy to build that residual income . Great story !
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  • Profile picture of the author todawg_not
    Ukcarl I heard from another WF member that UAW is blocking it's client reports possibly in the aftermarth of BMR.

    Can you confirm this?

    Have you seen the UAW service been effected in anyway in the last week

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  • Profile picture of the author georgescifo
    Thanks for this inspirational post. May this be helpful for all the aspiring online marketing professionals.
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    • Profile picture of the author lazydaisy
      Hi Carl, I have read your 40 page report and wanted to thank you for that. You mention CPA offer as well, I was told it's hard to get accepted unless you have a proven website making money as an affiliate. What CPA sites do you recommend specially as a noobie, or how would you go about being accepted to one.

      Thanks
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      • Profile picture of the author ukcarl
        Originally Posted by lazydaisy View Post

        Hi Carl, I have read your 40 page report and wanted to thank you for that. You mention CPA offer as well, I was told it's hard to get accepted unless you have a proven website making money as an affiliate. What CPA sites do you recommend specially as a noobie, or how would you go about being accepted to one.

        Thanks
        I am a member of a few, your best chance for getting approved would be Neverblue in my opinion, you just need to apply and then ring them straight away.

        This is what I always do and I have never been disapproved for a network, it doesnt matter if your not experienced they just dont want spammers and stuff in their network, just fill in the form and ring them as soon as you have submitted it
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  • Profile picture of the author Builder154
    2 questions for Carl, but others can give their thoughts also:

    1) When submitting all your various articles to networks, do you use pen names? Do you use different pen names on each site or just one for all? What's your method for this?

    2) When you register domains, do you pay extra to do it by proxy so your personal info isn't listed in all the whois records for the hundreds of sites? On one hand that would add a lot to the cost of making multiple sites, probably double your domain costs every year. On the other, it would seem unwanted to have hundreds of domains all listing your personal name, address, etc. How do you handle this.
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    • Profile picture of the author bkat52
      Originally Posted by Builder154 View Post

      2 questions for Carl, but others can give their thoughts also:

      1) When submitting all your various articles to networks, do you use pen names? Do you use different pen names on each site or just one for all? What's your method for this?

      2) When you register domains, do you pay extra to do it by proxy so your personal info isn't listed in all the whois records for the hundreds of sites? On one hand that would add a lot to the cost of making multiple sites, probably double your domain costs every year. On the other, it would seem unwanted to have hundreds of domains all listing your personal name, address, etc. How do you handle this.
      2) register with internetbs dot net. they offer free private whois and domain registration is relatively cheap too. i think 8.50 per .com and .net.
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  • Profile picture of the author SeoKnightsInc
    Are you experiencing any ranking drop using UAW ? I saw some talking about taking down of UAW like BMR. Do update if you have some.

    Thanks
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  • Profile picture of the author deep150
    Originally Posted by ukcarl View Post

    Hi everyone I just wanted to add this thread about my experience in the last 3 months going full time online, hopefully it can act as a bit of motivation for those of you out there that may be struggling to get going and perhaps are not making any of much money yet.



    This is something I feel anyone can achieve good results with, even people who are new to this industry, the process is basically building a network of small niche sites and monetizing them with Adsense or affiliate products.


    Now I should add this is nothing new, it's a technique that has been round for years, but its what's working for me right now and its working really well, right now as I write this in February my Adsense income is going to exceed $1700 this month and other affiliate commissions will come in at about $500 so $2200 for the month and I only started doing this at the end of November.



    Below is the full process I use to build these sites:


    Keyword research

    • Each site is focused around just 1 keyword so I find a keyword with at least 1000 exact searches a month, which passes my criteria for low competition which are:
    • Under 100,000 competing pages in Google when searched in quotes the lower the better
    • Low first page competition (to measure this I use Micro Niche Finder)
    • Exact Match domain available in either of the following .com .org .net (sometimes I will add a suffix or prefix if these three are not available and the keyword is too good to pass on)
    Setting up Site

    For all my sites I use Wordpress, why? Simple because it's easy to set up and you don't need to know anything about code once the site is set up which takes about 10 minutes, I add the following plugins:
    • All in one SEO pack
    • Simple Google analytics
    That's it; in my experience I find I don't need anything else.


    Content

    To start with these sites are small, I only add 3x500 word pages of original high quality content to begin with, this content is written for good onpage SEO but should add real value (not junk content) so the content follows the following rules:


    • High quality useful content
    • Keyword in the title
    • Keyword should be in the first and last paragraph and the one in the first paragraph should be in bold
    • I don't concentrate that much on keyword density but generally 1 - 2%
    • LSI keywords, THIS IS REALLY IMPROTANT I like to use 5 - 10 LSI terms in my posts, I find these by searching the main keyword in Googles keyword tool, the results will be displayed in order of relevance so I choose a hand full to use in my posts.
    • When you add the content also use the LSI keywords in your keywords for the all in one seo pack and your tags.
    • Every post will be added to the same category which will be the main keyword.
    Pages

    As well as our content we also want to add an about page, a contact page and a privacy policy the about and contact are just simple short pages and I generate the privacy policy at the following site serprank.com/privacy-policy-generator


    Monitize
    Most of my sites are monetized with Adsense for this I am currently using CTR theme but this is up to you I can personally only speak for my own results with this theme, which are good .
    Linkbuilding

    My link building process is very simple but also very effective; I buy a social bookmarking gig on Fiverr.com for a couple hundred social bookmark back links, next I will take a new 300 word article and spin it and use it for submission using Unique Article Wizard (if you don't pay for this tool monthly there are also fiverr gigs for this).


    BOOOOOM that's it done, I am currently building one of these sites a day and in roughly 3 months I have got to over $2000/month this month.


    Now this technique is not for everyone and I know many people out there prefer the authority site model, but here's the thing I don't want to debate which is best, this is just what's working for me right now, plus it is totally compliant with Googles Terms Of Service so this is totally legit.


    What's more is you will find that with testing so many niches you will find some real winners with this technique and there is nothing to stop you scaling these sites out to more of an authority site.


    Here's the thing this works FACT! The only thing that will stop you with this technique is not doing it


    TAKE ACTION NOW!


    It is not so easy as looking earning this money.It will take long time according to me.
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  • Profile picture of the author aZooZa
    A great read. Covers the essential first three steps:

    1. Keyword
    2. Domain
    3. Content

    Thanks!
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  • Profile picture of the author ratracegrad
    Hey, this has been a great read and congrats on your success . It is encouraging to read what other people have accomplished online because it gives other hope and inspiration. I have had little to basically no success with adsense. Thus I am trying other alternatives to making money online.

    You might want to consider writing a step by step guide showing one of your sites and how you get income from it. This would be something I would purchase if it shows me how to make money from adsense. Anything that provides an additional source of income is a great tool to own.

    Interesting reading about you owning real estate. you need to check out my book on Amazon about real estate investing. I own 24 multi-family rental properties.
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  • Profile picture of the author skywalkerph
    hello,

    what niche do you use?

    can you provide a screenshot?

    thanks
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  • Profile picture of the author knocksense
    hi ukcarl, i have sent a PM to you.. look forward to your reply.
    thanks.
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    • Profile picture of the author Nathan251
      Carl is paying 67 bucks a month to use UAW and it is possibly damaging his search results, Google is on a mission to hit these blog networking/mass article submission tools and I'm not sure using UAW is a wise strategy particularly in the long-term, Carl may shortly see a downturn in his earnings as a result of his dependence on UAW - please suggest a whitehat alternative, other than that his strategy seems fine but why waste 67 bucks a month on something that can ultimately do you great damage?
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      • Profile picture of the author Builder154
        Nathan, I've been asking around and some pretty trusted people say UAW is still a good bet, but just start diversifying a little in addition to it. They all say there is a big difference between networks like BMR and something like UAW. So from what I can tell they are all still using UAW but just watching for any new changes.
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        • Profile picture of the author Nathan251
          Originally Posted by Builder154 View Post

          Nathan, I've been asking around and some pretty trusted people say UAW is still a good bet, but just start diversifying a little in addition to it. They all say there is a big difference between networks like BMR and something like UAW. So from what I can tell they are all still using UAW but just watching for any new changes.

          thanks builder but it's still a risk to use UAW and if it's the main component of someone's strategy then they are asking for trouble, any good automation tools that google doesn't mind?
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      • Profile picture of the author nik0
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        Originally Posted by Nathan251 View Post

        Carl is paying 67 bucks a month to use UAW and it is possibly damaging his search results, Google is on a mission to hit these blog networking/mass article submission tools and I'm not sure using UAW is a wise strategy particularly in the long-term, Carl may shortly see a downturn in his earnings as a result of his dependence on UAW - please suggest a whitehat alternative, other than that his strategy seems fine but why waste 67 bucks a month on something that can ultimately do you great damage?
        Last days seem to have proven that any type of links can result in great damage. If you are so scared, why don't you find another hobby?
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  • Profile picture of the author bangzenk
    why you should use the Simple Google Analytics?

    one more thing, besides the two plug in that you have mentioned above, is there any other plug in for wordpress that can help increase traffic to my site? I really hope you can answer my question.
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  • Profile picture of the author Builder154
    Nathan, can you be specific about exactly how you fear UAW might get in trouble? From what I know they don't actually own any blogs. They just deliver content to other bloggers that request it on their normal blogs which are no different than any other blogs out there. I'm curious what scenario you foresee exactly and how it would play out that Google would penalize UAW in some way.
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    • Profile picture of the author Nathan251
      Originally Posted by Builder154 View Post

      Nathan, can you be specific about exactly how you fear UAW might get in trouble? From what I know they don't actually own any blogs. They just deliver content to other bloggers that request it on their normal blogs which are no different than any other blogs out there. I'm curious what scenario you foresee exactly and how it would play out that Google would penalize UAW in some way.
      oh i don't think UAW will be penalized, just the users who google see have generated thousands of back-links from low-ranking blog sites, I reckon google will give very little value to these mass collection of sites all back-linking to some random lowscale niche site, could be a waste of time and mney, a lot of talk now about if UAW is going to be targetted after BMR was...I know that you are saying that UAW's business model is sound but how it is used is key, I think they have an option with that tool where you can set the amount of sites to link to and I reckon depending on how new your site is and how much authority it has you would want to think very carefully about what number of links you set UAW to connect with


      67 bucks a month for something that I'm not sure has a lot of value, I don't know, I have my doubts about it, I'd like Carl to not use UAW for one of his sites and see how much of a negative impact that non-use has (if at all) - to measure the value of the tool
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  • Profile picture of the author keivn2
    Thanks for sharing. Reading your successful story really inspired me. I would be extremely happy if I can earn $300 for every month.
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    • Profile picture of the author ukcarl
      Originally Posted by ratracegrad View Post

      Hey, this has been a great read and congrats on your success . It is encouraging to read what other people have accomplished online because it gives other hope and inspiration. I have had little to basically no success with adsense. Thus I am trying other alternatives to making money online.

      You might want to consider writing a step by step guide showing one of your sites and how you get income from it. This would be something I would purchase if it shows me how to make money from adsense. Anything that provides an additional source of income is a great tool to own.

      Interesting reading about you owning real estate. you need to check out my book on Amazon about real estate investing. I own 24 multi-family rental properties.
      I have a step by step guide over at my site in my sig its 100% free

      Also congrats on the rental portfolio, in my opinion it is one of the best longterm investments you can make

      Originally Posted by Nathan251 View Post

      oh i don't think UAW will be penalized, just the users who google see have generated thousands of back-links from low-ranking blog sites, I reckon google will give very little value to these mass collection of sites all back-linking to some random lowscale niche site, could be a waste of time and mney, a lot of talk now about if UAW is going to be targetted after BMR was...I know that you are saying that UAW's business model is sound but how it is used is key, I think they have an option with that tool where you can set the amount of sites to link to and I reckon depending on how new your site is and how much authority it has you would want to think very carefully about what number of links you set UAW to connect with


      67 bucks a month for something that I'm not sure has a lot of value, I don't know, I have my doubts about it, I'd like Carl to not use UAW for one of his sites and see how much of a negative impact that non-use has (if at all) - to measure the value of the tool
      I hear your concern Nathan but as Builder said UAW is a completely different concept to BMR and I have built sites without using it and it definitely makes a difference, if you aren't wanting to use it just do some traditional article marketing it still works good just takes longer
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  • Profile picture of the author dimitri banks
    Carl can you please help my to understand how can use this ''LSI keywords'' , you see i outsource all my article writing , so what do you think if i will ask about this will the writers know what to do and shell i supply them with the list ? is this is the way ? Thank you !
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    • Profile picture of the author cright
      Originally Posted by dimitri banks View Post

      Carl can you please help my to understand how can use this ''LSI keywords'' , you see i outsource all my article writing , so what do you think if i will ask about this will the writers know what to do and shell i supply them with the list ? is this is the way ? Thank you !
      I'd just provide your writers with a list of LSI keywords and ask them to slip them in where it seems natural. A lot of LSI keywords will just come up naturally if they're writing high quality content, but a list can help put them on the right track.
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      • Profile picture of the author ukcarl
        Originally Posted by cright View Post

        I'd just provide your writers with a list of LSI keywords and ask them to slip them in where it seems natural. A lot of LSI keywords will just come up naturally if they're writing high quality content, but a list can help put them on the right track.
        Yeah you can do this, or I just teach my writers where to get them from I give my VA's detailed instructions on the whole process and then work with them to perfect the process.
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  • Profile picture of the author surfman1977
    Are u setting up a site a day.? How much time do you spend on keyword research?
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  • Profile picture of the author McCoy
    nice... anyway how about for those who don't have a website or blog or something.. how can they earn money online??? just a thought.. thanks
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  • Profile picture of the author JasonB
    Your success is awesome!......and alot of people would love to be in your shoes, of course.....

    But, what I have gathered from your thread and several of the posts within is that people get caught up in their keyword research....

    I think this is where everyone fails, because I was once there too..

    How would you get one to overcome the the burden of trying to figure out what Keyword and EMD they should be looking for?

    I think it comes down to having to spend the money to get the domain and content, because in the back of their minds, they have a faint smell if failure.

    Thanks!
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  • Profile picture of the author The A
    pretty inspirational but i'd like to focus on my current project now. getting in the link building process and will share too if it turns out to be good. thanks

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  • Profile picture of the author snakeyes37
    Carl,

    Very inspirational, I actually read every reply on all 9 pages (well most of them anyway). There's a ton of information here, I just received your 40 page step by step guide and I'm looking forward to reading it.

    I watched your video on keyword research and I have just a few questions if you don't mind answering them I would greatly appreciate it!

    I noticed that MNF doesn't list backlinks, page indexes, etc. Isn't this information important in determining competition? Also, is there any place I can get MNF cheaper then $99 off their website?
    Thanks!


    Nick
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    • Profile picture of the author theverysmartguy
      Originally Posted by snakeyes37 View Post

      I noticed that MNF doesn't list backlinks, page indexes, etc. Isn't this information important in determining competition? Also, is there any place I can get MNF cheaper then $99 off their website?
      MNF does show backlinks. Its under the Column MOB. You would select the phrase count column first, and once that number is showing it will allow you to get the MOB column for that keyword next.

      Click on that and it will show you the top 10 results and how many backlinks each of those have. This info is grabbed from SEOMajestic.

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  • Profile picture of the author Jangoz
    Micro niche sites with quality content seem to always spark things when we need it. Good luck!
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    • Profile picture of the author Builder154
      Ok so tonight I decided to once again try to find keywords meeting Carl's criteria only I didn't want my own interests to bias the process. So I used the brainstorm function in Micro Niche Finder so I'm getting basically random groups of keywords. Each time I hit it, it brings up 25 keywords.

      I've now spent 4-5 hours doing it one after the other. I've run it 26 times. 26 cycles, each one with 25 keywords. I have found only ONE keyword in that entire time that met the criteria. But that one is a very proprietary thing I'd be very antsy to use.

      The point is I am not understanding where people are finding a new keyword meeting these criteria to use day after day. And apparently it isn't just the bias of my interests because I'm getting the same results using random ones brainstormed by MNF.

      I also dug deeper with an LSI search on at least one of those brainstormed words, and nothing there either meeting the criteria.
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      • Profile picture of the author Nathan251
        Originally Posted by Builder154 View Post

        Ok so tonight I decided to once again try to find keywords meeting Carl's criteria only I didn't want my own interests to bias the process. So I used the brainstorm function in Micro Niche Finder so I'm getting basically random groups of keywords. Each time I hit it, it brings up 25 keywords.

        I've now spent 4-5 hours doing it one after the other. I've run it 26 times. 26 cycles, each one with 25 keywords. I have found only ONE keyword in that entire time that met the criteria. But that one is a very proprietary thing I'd be very antsy to use.

        The point is I am not understanding where people are finding a new keyword meeting these criteria to use day after day. And apparently it isn't just the bias of my interests because I'm getting the same results using random ones brainstormed by MNF.

        I also dug deeper with an LSI search on at least one of those brainstormed words, and nothing there either meeting the criteria.

        How are you getting on builder?

        Are you having more luck with the keyword search? Persistence pays off i guess, i'll start a thread now on the issue of time taken for keyword location because you raise an interesting point
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        • Profile picture of the author Builder154
          Originally Posted by Nathan251 View Post

          How are you getting on builder?

          Are you having more luck with the keyword search? Persistence pays off i guess, i'll start a thread now on the issue of time taken for keyword location because you raise an interesting point
          Nathan, thanks for asking. I'm not having a ton more luck. Really struggling to find anything with SOC under 50 at all that has enough of the other stuff. I do think another thread focused just on that issue of finding the keywords would be great. Please direct me to it if you started it.
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          • Profile picture of the author ukcarl
            Originally Posted by Builder154 View Post

            Nathan, thanks for asking. I'm not having a ton more luck. Really struggling to find anything with SOC under 50 at all that has enough of the other stuff. I do think another thread focused just on that issue of finding the keywords would be great. Please direct me to it if you started it.
            He did start one I think I saw it yesterday meant to post something but was quite busy, post a link, to the thread might be worth getting going
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            • Profile picture of the author Builder154
              Originally Posted by ukcarl View Post

              He did start one I think I saw it yesterday meant to post something but was quite busy, post a link, to the thread might be worth getting going
              Yeah I'd love to get that discussion going in that thread and would be great if you, Carl, contributed to that discussion over there. The entire process seems really great and I'm all ready to do it...but I've spent almost a week now and have searched hours every day and only found like 2 keywords that fit your criteria, and one of them is trademarked so I'd rather not use it. Doesn't bode well for making dozens of sites over a matter of weeks. And while I could run off and make the one site I found, I don't want to invest in UAW until I know how to find many keywords to test.

              Anyway I hope Nathan posts the link to that thread since I think it would be more appropriate to talk about this keyword finding in a dedicated thread than in this one.
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              • Profile picture of the author ukcarl
                Originally Posted by Builder154 View Post

                Yeah I'd love to get that discussion going in that thread and would be great if you, Carl, contributed to that discussion over there. The entire process seems really great and I'm all ready to do it...but I've spent almost a week now and have searched hours every day and only found like 2 keywords that fit your criteria, and one of them is trademarked so I'd rather not use it. Doesn't bode well for making dozens of sites over a matter of weeks. And while I could run off and make the one site I found, I don't want to invest in UAW until I know how to find many keywords to test.

                Anyway I hope Nathan posts the link to that thread since I think it would be more appropriate to talk about this keyword finding in a dedicated thread than in this one.
                Why don't you just use a fiverr gig for the UAW that way you can get the process going
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              • Profile picture of the author ukcarl
                Originally Posted by Builder154 View Post

                Yeah I'd love to get that discussion going in that thread and would be great if you, Carl, contributed to that discussion over there. The entire process seems really great and I'm all ready to do it...but I've spent almost a week now and have searched hours every day and only found like 2 keywords that fit your criteria, and one of them is trademarked so I'd rather not use it. Doesn't bode well for making dozens of sites over a matter of weeks. And while I could run off and make the one site I found, I don't want to invest in UAW until I know how to find many keywords to test.

                Anyway I hope Nathan posts the link to that thread since I think it would be more appropriate to talk about this keyword finding in a dedicated thread than in this one.
                Why don't you just use a fiverr gig for the UAW that way you can get the process going
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                • Profile picture of the author Builder154
                  Originally Posted by ukcarl View Post

                  Why don't you just use a fiverr gig for the UAW that way you can get the process going
                  Because honestly I am not interested in this process unless I can rinse and repeat. If I can only find one or two keywords it's not really worthwhile to me. I'm looking for something that can scale which means I have to be able to find many keywords. I still hope that I find ways to do this where I can find those keywords. Obviously if you're finding them so easily I'm doing something wrong. But I'm pretty confused since even round after round after round of MNF brainstorms found only ONE keyword.
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                  • Profile picture of the author rpmranger
                    Originally Posted by Builder154 View Post

                    Because honestly I am not interested in this process unless I can rinse and repeat. If I can only find one or two keywords it's not really worthwhile to me. I'm looking for something that can scale which means I have to be able to find many keywords. I still hope that I find ways to do this where I can find those keywords. Obviously if you're finding them so easily I'm doing something wrong. But I'm pretty confused since even round after round after round of MNF brainstorms found only ONE keyword.
                    I honestly don't know why you are having such trouble finding keywords? Even not using software for my first attempt at keywords I was able to come up with 20 solid keywords meeting the criteria in about 3-4 hours, using only random words popping into my head from looking around the house. Then I was able to find related keywords for additional articles in a matter of minutes.

                    This was just using google keyword tool and then evaluating first page competition with the free seo quake tool bar for firefox.

                    The criteria I'm using:
                    1000 local exact search minimum
                    Min $1 CPC
                    High advertiser competition
                    Exact match domain available in .com/.net/.org
                    For page 1 competition:
                    at least 2 sites on page one of google with pg/rk of 0 and less than 15 backlinks total- also look for easy to beat sites like Amazon sales pages, Yahoo answers, look to see if pg one is mainly root domains or high PR's(not easy to beat), look to see if the page one competition is really targeting that keyword or not (exact match domains, title's etc..)
                    Less than "100,000" in quotes . I don't really focus on this much if I like the KW. I think it's not really relevant at all if pg 1 competition is looking easy. Seems to be working out so far


                    Really, it isn't very difficult to find them at all. Not sure where you are getting stuck.

                    For example, I'll run through one on the fly to give you some pointers:
                    I look around and see something in my house, I see my fan, it's not broke but I but that's what pops into my head, so I put in the google KW tool something totally random like "broken ceiling fan" and 397 related keywords come up and I will start working through the many potentials for something that meets the criteria I want. I sort the column by local exact search/month so the highest is at the top. In this example there is 20 KW's with over 1000 exact local searches from the top down.. Then I'll look at the advertiser competition, 18 of them are high, so thats good, weed out the low ones. now weed out low CPC below my criteria, 6 of them are below my criteria of $1 CPC, so now I have about 10-12 KW to work with out of the original 397. I can also say just by looking at the list that the first 6 are going to be too difficult to rank for because of obvious high competition with popular words, so don't even bother wasting my time looking at those. So now I have about 6-8 left to really look more into for first page competition etc.. I will just start narrowing it down more and more by my criteria after that. If I don't like anything there on that list, throw in a new phrase into KW tool in about 2 seconds. Start over.. Easy enough.

                    I can tell you right now out of luck I found one of those 8 remaining KW's on my very first guess just off a logical hunch on which of the remaining 8 would be easiest to rank, that one KW ended up matching all my criteria for easy 1st page competition and the other #'s I require. Bam, usable Keyword found in less than 5 minutes of typing this out for you.

                    I really think you are just over-thinking the keyword process man. I'm new to this too, just finished my first batch of sites.. but the whole KW thing seems pretty straightforward to me, no magic secrets, just follow a proven recipe for the numbers and repeat. It's only where I have strayed from the method a little going after too high competition where I'm having more trouble getting things to rank quickly and easily. That's where all the SEO stuff comes in, and where it gets far more complicated if you ask me.. but it's the best way to learn, by DOING and making mistakes and learning/adapting along the way right?

                    Hope this helped.

                    Good luck!

                    Edit- Also I'd like to thank the original poster UKCarl. Great inspirational story man.
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                    • Profile picture of the author Builder154
                      Originally Posted by rpmranger View Post

                      I honestly don't know why you are having such trouble finding keywords? Even not using software for my first attempt at keywords I was able to come up with 20 solid keywords meeting the criteria in about 3-4 hours, using only random words popping into my head from looking around the house. Then I was able to find related keywords for additional articles in a matter of minutes.

                      This was just using google keyword tool and then evaluating first page competition with the free seo quake tool bar for firefox.

                      The criteria I'm using:
                      1000 local exact search minimum
                      Min $1 CPC
                      High advertiser competition
                      Exact match domain available in .com/.net/.org
                      For page 1 competition:
                      at least 2 sites on page one of google with pg/rk of 0 and less than 15 backlinks total- also look for easy to beat sites like Amazon sales pages, Yahoo answers, look to see if pg one is mainly root domains or high PR's(not easy to beat), look to see if the page one competition is really targeting that keyword or not (exact match domains, title's etc..)
                      Less than "100,000" in quotes . I don't really focus on this much if I like the KW. I think it's not really relevant at all if pg 1 competition is looking easy. Seems to be working out so far


                      Really, it isn't very difficult to find them at all. Not sure where you are getting stuck.

                      For example, I'll run through one on the fly to give you some pointers:
                      I look around and see something in my house, I see my fan, it's not broke but I but that's what pops into my head, so I put in the google KW tool something totally random like "broken ceiling fan" and 397 related keywords come up and I will start working through the many potentials for something that meets the criteria I want. I sort the column by local exact search/month so the highest is at the top. In this example there is 20 KW's with over 1000 exact local searches from the top down.. Then I'll look at the advertiser competition, 18 of them are high, so thats good, weed out the low ones. now weed out low CPC below my criteria, 6 of them are below my criteria of $1 CPC, so now I have about 10-12 KW to work with out of the original 397. I can also say just by looking at the list that the first 6 are going to be too difficult to rank for because of obvious high competition with popular words, so don't even bother wasting my time looking at those. So now I have about 6-8 left to really look more into for first page competition etc.. I will just start narrowing it down more and more by my criteria after that. If I don't like anything there on that list, throw in a new phrase into KW tool in about 2 seconds. Start over.. Easy enough.

                      I can tell you right now out of luck I found one of those 8 remaining KW's on my very first guess just off a logical hunch on which of the remaining 8 would be easiest to rank, that one KW ended up matching all my criteria for easy 1st page competition and the other #'s I require. Bam, usable Keyword found in less than 5 minutes of typing this out for you.

                      I really think you are just over-thinking the keyword process man. I'm new to this too, just finished my first batch of sites.. but the whole KW thing seems pretty straightforward to me, no magic secrets, just follow a proven recipe for the numbers and repeat. It's only where I have strayed from the method a little going after too high competition where I'm having more trouble getting things to rank quickly and easily. That's where all the SEO stuff comes in, and where it gets far more complicated if you ask me.. but it's the best way to learn, by DOING and making mistakes and learning/adapting along the way right?

                      Hope this helped.

                      Good luck!

                      Edit- Also I'd like to thank the original poster UKCarl. Great inspirational story man.
                      I notice that you don't even mention the SOC. Carl's criteria is a green (under 50) on the SOC in Micro Niche Finder. This is by far the hardest one of the criteria to find in my experience. I find plenty of keywords meeting the other criteria. But it's the SOC that is toughest. And even if I go easy and let it be under 100 SOC it's still very hard to find all the other criteria plus that.

                      If you aren't bothering with the SOC measure (which is very key in Carl's description) then no wonder you're having an easier time. You aren't really doing Carl's method.
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                      • Profile picture of the author rpmranger
                        Originally Posted by Builder154 View Post

                        I notice that you don't even mention the SOC. Carl's criteria is a green (under 50) on the SOC in Micro Niche Finder. This is by far the hardest one of the criteria to find in my experience. I find plenty of keywords meeting the other criteria. But it's the SOC that is toughest. And even if I go easy and let it be under 100 SOC it's still very hard to find all the other criteria plus that.

                        If you aren't bothering with the SOC measure (which is very key in Carl's description) then no wonder you're having an easier time. You aren't really doing Carl's method.
                        I understand your question but I very much am doing SOC. Using the same methods Carl is, just not using MNF. I have read his free E-book, which is good by the way, you should check it out if you haven't.. SOC is the most important thing when choosing a KW in determining if it's good or not, I don't disagree. I'm just not using Micro Niche Finder to do it. As Carl has said too in his free EbooK on his website, you don't need to pay for any special software to do this measurement to get the same results. You can do it by hand manually and that is what I do. Software helps to make things easier and faster but it isn't required and it doesn't change the end result.

                        I measure Strength of Competition (SOC) by looking at pg 1 competition directly in google when I do a search for the KW. The results are exactly the same as getting your "green" in MNF once you know what you are looking for, it just takes longer. Honestly, even If I was using software, I would still ALWAYS double-check first pg competition in google with my own eyes before going after a domain, the software could be wrong sometimes. I would bet Carl probably does a quick check by eye too before purchasing a domain..

                        I look at things like:
                        does the comp have hardly any exact match domains
                        are there many root domains or subpages? Subpages are easier to beat generally. You want subpages ranking highly
                        Do they have a ton of .gov/.edu backlinks? Bad sign if they do..
                        Is the top 10 really targeting the keyword? Using it in the Title, Article Title, Meta tags, hopefully they are not, if they all are, bad sign.
                        Is there at least 2 of the top 10 with pg rank of 0 or no/PR, If they are all PR 2-8, this is a bad sign, look elsewhere
                        Is there 2 pages in the top 5 with very few backlinks? Less than 10-15 total? This would be Ideal, easier to rank for.

                        This gives you your "SOC" just like Carl uses, my parameters may be slightly different than what he likes but it's the same thing.. These are generally things that would have low competition.

                        I'm not familiar with what exact parameters MNF uses for under 50 SOC but the concept is exactly the same doing it manually, MNF is looking at things just like I described to give you a go/no-go number. I'm sure if you met all the criteria I described you would get a 50 "Green" just the same.

                        Try doing it manually first if you are having problems getting MNF to work, then once you understand the process, go back to using automation to speed things up! Don't get hung up on software if it isn't helping you, I made this mistake at first also trying to use too many tools that I really didn't need. I use software now too to help out but I really think it's best to learn the process manually first so you really can understand what the software is actually doing when you go that route. Just my opinion..
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                        • Profile picture of the author dakar
                          rpmranger . great trend of thought and very easy to follow. I prefer your method over the micro niche one. thanks
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                        • Profile picture of the author Builder154
                          Originally Posted by rpmranger View Post

                          I understand your question but I very much am doing SOC. Using the same methods Carl is, just not using MNF. I have read his free E-book, which is good by the way, you should check it out if you haven't.. SOC is the most important thing when choosing a KW in determining if it's good or not, I don't disagree. I'm just not using Micro Niche Finder to do it. As Carl has said too in his free EbooK on his website, you don't need to pay for any special software to do this measurement to get the same results. You can do it by hand manually and that is what I do. Software helps to make things easier and faster but it isn't required and it doesn't change the end result.
                          Rpmranger, let me explain. I am not a newbie. I've made many sites. I've done manual first page google competition research and so on. I know how to do all that. And I can probably find good keywords using that method.

                          I wanted to try Carl's method. Carl's method is to use MNF with the green SOC. So I've been trying to find keywords using his criteria and that is what is causing me problems. I don't know if this is because the SOC measure on MNF is even more restrictive than it should be or what. All I can say is that I find very very very few keywords that meet all of Carl's criteria including a green SOC on MNF. Yet he claims to be finding one every day pretty much.

                          So to be clear, I know I can probably find some keywords using my old usual methods. What I'm so curious about is how Carl is finding these keywords in MNF matching all of his criteria.
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                        • Profile picture of the author tdj
                          Originally Posted by rpmranger View Post

                          I understand your question but I very much am doing SOC. Using the same methods Carl is, just not using MNF. I have read his free E-book, which is good by the way, you should check it out if you haven't.. SOC is the most important thing when choosing a KW in determining if it's good or not, I don't disagree. I'm just not using Micro Niche Finder to do it. As Carl has said too in his free EbooK on his website, you don't need to pay for any special software to do this measurement to get the same results. You can do it by hand manually and that is what I do. Software helps to make things easier and faster but it isn't required and it doesn't change the end result.

                          I measure Strength of Competition (SOC) by looking at pg 1 competition directly in google when I do a search for the KW. The results are exactly the same as getting your "green" in MNF once you know what you are looking for, it just takes longer. Honestly, even If I was using software, I would still ALWAYS double-check first pg competition in google with my own eyes before going after a domain, the software could be wrong sometimes. I would bet Carl probably does a quick check by eye too before purchasing a domain..

                          I look at things like:
                          does the comp have hardly any exact match domains
                          are there many root domains or subpages? Subpages are easier to beat generally. You want subpages ranking highly
                          Do they have a ton of .gov/.edu backlinks? Bad sign if they do..
                          Is the top 10 really targeting the keyword? Using it in the Title, Article Title, Meta tags, hopefully they are not, if they all are, bad sign.
                          Is there at least 2 of the top 10 with pg rank of 0 or no/PR, If they are all PR 2-8, this is a bad sign, look elsewhere
                          Is there 2 pages in the top 5 with very few backlinks? Less than 10-15 total? This would be Ideal, easier to rank for.

                          This gives you your "SOC" just like Carl uses, my parameters may be slightly different than what he likes but it's the same thing.. These are generally things that would have low competition.

                          I'm not familiar with what exact parameters MNF uses for under 50 SOC but the concept is exactly the same doing it manually, MNF is looking at things just like I described to give you a go/no-go number. I'm sure if you met all the criteria I described you would get a 50 "Green" just the same.

                          Try doing it manually first if you are having problems getting MNF to work, then once you understand the process, go back to using automation to speed things up! Don't get hung up on software if it isn't helping you, I made this mistake at first also trying to use too many tools that I really didn't need. I use software now too to help out but I really think it's best to learn the process manually first so you really can understand what the software is actually doing when you go that route. Just my opinion..
                          You can download a free version of Traffic Travis and it will give you every thing you need to analyze the competition on first page. Nice little free tool.

                          Todd
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                          • Profile picture of the author inter123
                            There has been no response from the OP, Carl. I am figuring this method has completely now tanked. I would love be told otherwise.
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                            • Profile picture of the author fiberoptic
                              Originally Posted by inter123 View Post

                              There has been no response from the OP, Carl. I am figuring this method has completely now tanked. I would love be told otherwise.
                              Or maybe he's too busy spending his money to care about answering adsense questions.
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                            • Profile picture of the author ukcarl
                              Originally Posted by inter123 View Post

                              There has been no response from the OP, Carl. I am figuring this method has completely now tanked. I would love be told otherwise.
                              No its still working some movement since the 26th but all in all not too bad about a 15 - 20% drop in traffic due to some sites moving a little. generally its not big movement though, for example some sites went from 1st down to 3rd - 4th on the other hand some sites improved.

                              Im currently just experimenting with some new linkbulding techniques and getting the sites that dropped back.

                              All in all the system is still working great, at the end of the day we cant control Google and everything needs tweaking from time to time, will keep you up to date with any new findings
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  • Profile picture of the author PetGuru
    inspirational post. thanks for shearing
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  • Profile picture of the author alexhs88
    Thank you for this, it gave me some motivation to continue!
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  • Profile picture of the author tansks
    Hi Carl, can you share how you test and hire the right VA?
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  • Profile picture of the author marco005
    Hi

    ukcarl, thanks for your answer, yes I understand this your be right to protect your business. In many forums european forums too, so when you have a question all about your topic,most answer is: to healp you,please show me your website or url.

    best wishes
    marco005
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  • Profile picture of the author snakeyes37
    Carl, do you usually provide the person writing your articles with your criteria? For example in your 40 page step by step guide,


    1. Your main keyword should be in the title
    2. Your main keyword should be in the first paragraph in BOLD
    3. While I don’t think keyword density is that important, I try to have the keyword appear at about 1%-2% so about once or twice in every 100 words (don’t worry too much about this).
    4. Your main keyword should be near the end of the article, I like if possible to have it in the last paragraph
    Is it already assumed the outsourcer knows this or do you tell them ahead of time?

    Also, is Fiverr is good place to outsource article writing or do you recommend a more "professional" place to find writers?


    Thanks!
    Nick
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    • Profile picture of the author ukcarl
      Originally Posted by snakeyes37 View Post

      Carl, do you usually provide the person writing your articles with your criteria? For example in your 40 page step by step guide,



      Is it already assumed the outsourcer knows this or do you tell them ahead of time?

      Also, is Fiverr is good place to outsource article writing or do you recommend a more "professional" place to find writers?


      Thanks!
      Nick
      I give my writers fairly detailed instructions of what I want doing and how I want it doing, in terms of outsourcing I use Odesk and can highly recommend them, cant really comment on fiverr as I haven't used them for content, but I suspect its not going to be as good as somewhere like Odesk.
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  • Profile picture of the author FridaK
    Originally Posted by ukcarl View Post

    Hi everyone I just wanted to add this thread about my experience in the last 3 months going full time online, hopefully it can act as a bit of motivation for those of you out there that may be struggling to get going and perhaps are not making any of much money yet.



    This is something I feel anyone can achieve good results with, even people who are new to this industry, the process is basically building a network of small niche sites and monetizing them with Adsense or affiliate products.


    Now I should add this is nothing new, it's a technique that has been round for years, but its what's working for me right now and its working really well, right now as I write this in February my Adsense income is going to exceed $1700 this month and other affiliate commissions will come in at about $500 so $2200 for the month and I only started doing this at the end of November.



    Below is the full process I use to build these sites:


    Keyword research

    • Each site is focused around just 1 keyword so I find a keyword with at least 1000 exact searches a month, which passes my criteria for low competition which are:
    • Under 100,000 competing pages in Google when searched in quotes the lower the better
    • Low first page competition (to measure this I use Micro Niche Finder)
    • Exact Match domain available in either of the following .com .org .net (sometimes I will add a suffix or prefix if these three are not available and the keyword is too good to pass on)
    Setting up Site

    For all my sites I use Wordpress, why? Simple because it's easy to set up and you don't need to know anything about code once the site is set up which takes about 10 minutes, I add the following plugins:
    • All in one SEO pack
    • Simple Google analytics
    That's it; in my experience I find I don't need anything else.



    TAKE ACTION NOW!
    If you are using "just 1 keyword", does it matter if the search is broad or exact? Or I misunderstood?
    I am a newbie too, if you could please elaborate...Thaks
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  • Profile picture of the author zharfan
    Important of this process is ACTION AND LEARNING, and do this step again, again, and again
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  • Profile picture of the author sureshots
    Very nice post one thing I want to ask you is do you think Unique Article wizard is a major contributor to your search engine success? I've been debating if I should use this UAW for some time now.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ctscott860
    Very good POST! i am using these techniques this week. I really appreciate it.

    Is anyone else having trouble using MICRO NICHE FINDER tonight? its gives me a "Cannot load testimonial" error message when it is booting up. then it never connects to the "google keyword tool"

    I its is also activated (bought it FEB 2012) and now its running in "reduced" mode because it cannot verify activation. It worked fine yesterday 3/28/12
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    • Profile picture of the author snakeyes37
      Carl,

      What kind of detailed instructions do you give to your content writers? I want to do everything that you did so that I might be able to possibly duplicate your results.


      Thank you!
      Nick
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    • Profile picture of the author Builder154
      Originally Posted by Ctscott860 View Post

      Very good POST! i am using these techniques this week. I really appreciate it.

      Is anyone else having trouble using MICRO NICHE FINDER tonight? its gives me a "Cannot load testimonial" error message when it is booting up. then it never connects to the "google keyword tool"

      I its is also activated (bought it FEB 2012) and now its running in "reduced" mode because it cannot verify activation. It worked fine yesterday 3/28/12
      MNF has been having a lot of problems for me the entire time since I got it a week or so ago. It sometimes works, then suddenly just hangs and never continues. Very frustrating.
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      • Profile picture of the author ukcarl
        Originally Posted by snakeyes37 View Post

        Carl,

        What kind of detailed instructions do you give to your content writers? I want to do everything that you did so that I might be able to possibly duplicate your results.


        Thank you!
        Nick
        I am writing a outsourcing series on my site I will be adding part 3 in the next couple of days this will have full detailed instructions.

        Originally Posted by Builder154 View Post

        Because honestly I am not interested in this process unless I can rinse and repeat. If I can only find one or two keywords it's not really worthwhile to me. I'm looking for something that can scale which means I have to be able to find many keywords. I still hope that I find ways to do this where I can find those keywords. Obviously if you're finding them so easily I'm doing something wrong. But I'm pretty confused since even round after round after round of MNF brainstorms found only ONE keyword.
        To be honest I never use the brainstorm function, never had much luck with it, I find all my keywords through EezineArticles and Amazon.

        Im sorry to hear your struggling, but just remember to keep at it, the more you fail the closer you are to a winner
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        • Profile picture of the author snakeyes37
          Thanks for taking the time out to answer all my questions Carl. I look forward to your next article on your website!


          Nick
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        • Profile picture of the author Builder154
          Originally Posted by ukcarl View Post

          I am writing a outsourcing series on my site I will be adding part 3 in the next couple of days this will have full detailed instructions.



          To be honest I never use the brainstorm function, never had much luck with it, I find all my keywords through EezineArticles and Amazon.

          Im sorry to hear your struggling, but just remember to keep at it, the more you fail the closer you are to a winner
          I wasn't suggesting you use brainstorm or it's a strategy to use in the long run. I was just using it to show that my difficulty finding keywords wasn't just about me being biased by my interests in what I was searching for. Even using random keywords for 26 rounds of 25 of them, I still couldn't find anything I could use. So it just shows even more how confused I am how you're finding all these keywords. I'm starting to think finding the keywords is the secret sauce that isn't explained haha.
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  • Profile picture of the author movieinhd
    thanks inform me i like your articles ya really i got it
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  • Profile picture of the author bushidosurfer
    Hi Carl,

    Thanks for sharing your model to bank $2,000/mth, and so cool you achieved that in 60 days. I've downloaded your micro niche report and looking forward to read that shortly.

    Just one question. How long did it take you to hit $30-40 per site? Was there some (serious?) trial and error prior

    Im sorry to hear your struggling, but just remember to keep at it, the more you fail the closer you are to a winner
    Good advice Most would like to make that $2,000 but very few would take the actual steps to it or actually stop/fail just before success. We tend to forget the "process" (the tests involved) and instead dwell on the "event" (the $2,000).

    All the best in hitting $3,000
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  • Profile picture of the author Simon Yates
    Interesting thread!

    I'm a total newb to IM and this is only my second day here at WF.

    I came to this forum originally looking for advise/help regarding back links to my service based business website, but this thread inspired me to think about other ways of putting food on the table.

    I feel a little lost with some of the terminology being used, but it seems like this community is pretty helpful. I'll dig through the FAQ's/sticky posts and see if this is something i can wrap my head around.

    Thanks for sharing!

    Simon.
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  • Profile picture of the author Adam James
    Hi Carl,

    When you use UAW how do you rewrite the two articles? Do you outsource this or use the best spinner?

    Thanks
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    • Profile picture of the author bkat52
      Originally Posted by Adam James View Post

      Hi Carl,

      When you use UAW how do you rewrite the two articles? Do you outsource this or use the best spinner?

      Thanks
      I know this was directed at Carl, but I hope you don't mind me taking a shot at it. I outsource the rewrites to The Content Authority. Once I have my first article written, I go to the content authority, upload my article, and request 2 rewrites. They cost me $4 each and usually are completed within a few hours. Really great service. Only thing about them that some people might not like is you have to buy credits up front, minimum is $20 I think.

      and remember to include instructions in your request, such as "use same number of paragraphs as original" so you can have it comply with UAW format.

      Hope this helps.
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      • Profile picture of the author dakar
        Originally Posted by bkat52 View Post

        I know this was directed at Carl, but I hope you don't mind me taking a shot at it. I outsource the rewrites to The Content Authority. Once I have my first article written, I go to the content authority, upload my article, and request 2 rewrites. They cost me $4 each and usually are completed within a few hours. Really great service. Only thing about them that some people might not like is you have to buy credits up front, minimum is $20 I think.

        and remember to include instructions in your request, such as "use same number of paragraphs as original" so you can have it comply with UAW format.

        Hope this helps.
        awesome tip. do you write the original article? how long does the original take you?
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        • Profile picture of the author bkat52
          Originally Posted by dakar View Post

          awesome tip. do you write the original article? how long does the original take you?
          Sometimes I write myself if I feel like I know the subject well enough to write a quality article. Otherwise I outsource it. I work a full time job so if I decide to write an article, I make it my daily goal to write the article. That's it, that's all I do that day. It's really not that bad, like writing a couple page report for school really. I aim for over 500 words and 6 paragraphs. Those are my 2 requirements.

          When I'm writing and can't figure out what to write, I generally ask myself the 5W's: who, what where, when, why, and... how. That usually gets my mind on the right track about what to write.
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          • Profile picture of the author dakar
            Originally Posted by bkat52 View Post

            Sometimes I write myself if I feel like I know the subject well enough to write a quality article. Otherwise I outsource it. I work a full time job so if I decide to write an article, I make it my daily goal to write the article. That's it, that's all I do that day. It's really not that bad, like writing a couple page report for school really. I aim for over 500 words and 6 paragraphs. Those are my 2 requirements.

            When I'm writing and can't figure out what to write, I generally ask myself the 5W's: who, what where, when, why, and... how. That usually gets my mind on the right track about what to write.
            awesome. would you mind saying who you outsource it with?


            Originally Posted by TopBackBuilder View Post

            What happens when UAW gets their backlinks de-indexed? Something to consider. I love your website by the way, great info on there.
            I've read conflicting answers here. Some say UAW doesn't own the sites where your article is published, others have said they do. Can someone give a clear explanation as to how UAW works?
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            • Profile picture of the author TopBackBuilder
              Originally Posted by dakar View Post

              awesome. would you mind saying who you outsource it with?




              I've read conflicting answers here. Some say UAW doesn't own the sites where your article is published, others have said they do. Can someone give a clear explanation as to how UAW works?
              I just chatted with one of their representatives:



              me 4:19:44 PM


              awesome, is UAW a blog network similar to build my rank?

              Jeff 4:20:10 PM


              No


              we are not a private network



              buildmyrank was designed
              specifically to game google, our network is natural, organic and
              supplimental to 1000's of sites content needs... we need to maintain
              focus on quality content, natural linking speeds in addition to link
              diversity.






              me 4:20:50 PM


              so you don't own any of the sites in the network used to submit articles?


              Jeff 4:21:19 PM


              no....we submit to sites who want content for their site



              me 4:21:56 PM


              awesome, that was a keystone factor into whether I was going to use the service or not, thanks for your help!
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              • Profile picture of the author dakar
                Originally Posted by TopBackBuilder View Post

                I just chatted with one of their representatives:



                me 4:19:44 PM


                awesome, is UAW a blog network similar to build my rank?

                Jeff 4:20:10 PM


                No


                we are not a private network



                buildmyrank was designed
                specifically to game google, our network is natural, organic and
                supplimental to 1000's of sites content needs... we need to maintain
                focus on quality content, natural linking speeds in addition to link
                diversity.






                me 4:20:50 PM


                so you don't own any of the sites in the network used to submit articles?


                Jeff 4:21:19 PM


                no....we submit to sites who want content for their site



                me 4:21:56 PM


                awesome, that was a keystone factor into whether I was going to use the service or not, thanks for your help!

                very useful. thanks for posting this conversation!
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  • Profile picture of the author outwest
    Curious since its been at least a month since you posted this, is your income stable? down? up?
    Thankyou
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    Tech article writing .Native English Speaker(with Proof)
    specializing in SmartPhones , Internet security, high tech gadgets, search engines, tech shows, digital cameras.

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    • Profile picture of the author gkchait
      Originally Posted by Natalie154 View Post

      This is WSO stuff. Thanks for sharing Carl. One question; which hosting service (hostgator) and package do you use?
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      Shared service, baby plan.
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  • Profile picture of the author Andhisnamewas
    Awesome! I might give this a try!
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  • Profile picture of the author TopBackBuilder
    What happens when UAW gets their backlinks de-indexed? Something to consider. I love your website by the way, great info on there.
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  • Profile picture of the author UW
    is each article a new post or a new page? please explain this to me. thanks a bunch
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  • Profile picture of the author jrpventures
    I'm jealous but soon I'll be writing a success story like yours. Congrats!
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    Read the rules -- no affiliate links allowed.

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  • Profile picture of the author tylerjaysen
    wow really cool post man. yeah it looks like you have 50 sites you say..and now your income has reached the $2k monthly..congrats!!

    This is very doable and easy too....don't need to question it..just do it. But yeah I agree that you need to diversify into CPA or amazon....cuz having just the adsense model can bite you in the end if something (Big G) goes awry.

    And BTW, Micro Niche Finder is awesome. I've used it exclusively to find juicy keywords to build sites like this. Most of the time MNF is very accurate in terms of giving you a site that will rank pretty fast and easy.
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  • Profile picture of the author WhosGotMoves
    Just to chime in a second. I use a similar method to Carl's. I found a group of keywords that I like, very similar criteria but with higher CPC that way it averages to between $1 and $2 based on the quality of the click and I've been outsourcing my backlinking since BMR fell to the dark side.

    Personally I prefer a complete outsourcing solution which runs me about $30-60 per month based on the service I choose for the site (SENukeX service, or UAW and MAN service, all depends on how deep I want the backlinking). I tend to run 1-3 of these services on each site and will see huge jumps into positions 1, 2 or 3 withing a month or two. I also write my own articles which I can usually complete for a whole site in about a day and half after I get home from my full-time job. I definitely don't complete as many sites as Carl but I find that this works for me and my schedule.

    As of right now between creating adsense sites and clickbank sites I'm probably making close to $500 per month and definitely seeing a climb as the backlinks are found by Google. I've used a variety of services on a few sites as you might find if you simply do a search of my posts here on WF but I've found 2 that I really stick to because of their link diversity.

    I've been following Carl's thread from the beginning and have to say that if you stick to a similar program to what he has THOROUGHLY lined out for you then you'll certainly see success over time. It is definitely not for someone who is looking for IMMEDIATE return but rather to see your empire grow over time. I highly recommend, and I'm sure Carl does too, that you diversify your efforts in order to protect yourself in the long run. This is a great foundation which to build an online business but you run the risk of a Google update killing your empire in one foul swoop like, for example, if UAW becomes deindexed for some reason.

    This is a great thread and I hope many of you spend more time taking action than sitting here and reading and asking questions. His methods can be done with almost no investment other than the monthly fee for UAW if you just spend the time writing your own material, which can become second nature in a matter of just a few weeks.

    Good luck and I hope to hear more about how others might have succeeded because of Carl's detailed methods.
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    • Profile picture of the author TopBackBuilder
      Originally Posted by WhosGotMoves View Post

      Just to chime in a second. I use a similar method to Carl's. I found a group of keywords that I like, very similar criteria but with higher CPC that way it averages to between $1 and $2 based on the quality of the click and I've been outsourcing my backlinking since BMR fell to the dark side.

      Personally I prefer a complete outsourcing solution which runs me about $30-60 per month based on the service I choose for the site (SENukeX service, or UAW and MAN service, all depends on how deep I want the backlinking). I tend to run 1-3 of these services on each site and will see huge jumps into positions 1, 2 or 3 withing a month or two. I also write my own articles which I can usually complete for a whole site in about a day and half after I get home from my full-time job. I definitely don't complete as many sites as Carl but I find that this works for me and my schedule.

      As of right now between creating adsense sites and clickbank sites I'm probably making close to $500 per month and definitely seeing a climb as the backlinks are found by Google. I've used a variety of services on a few sites as you might find if you simply do a search of my posts here on WF but I've found 2 that I really stick to because of their link diversity.

      I've been following Carl's thread from the beginning and have to say that if you stick to a similar program to what he has THOROUGHLY lined out for you then you'll certainly see success over time. It is definitely not for someone who is looking for IMMEDIATE return but rather to see your empire grow over time. I highly recommend, and I'm sure Carl does too, that you diversify your efforts in order to protect yourself in the long run. This is a great foundation which to build an online business but you run the risk of a Google update killing your empire in one foul swoop like, for example, if UAW becomes deindexed for some reason.

      This is a great thread and I hope many of you spend more time taking action than sitting here and reading and asking questions. His methods can be done with almost no investment other than the monthly fee for UAW if you just spend the time writing your own material, which can become second nature in a matter of just a few weeks.

      Good luck and I hope to hear more about how others might have succeeded because of Carl's detailed methods.
      If you read what I posted, UAW isn't a blog network so I doubt it will be taken out with one foul swoop.
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      • Profile picture of the author WhosGotMoves
        Originally Posted by TopBackBuilder View Post

        If you read what I posted, UAW isn't a blog network so I doubt it will be taken out with one foul swoop.
        Well your post was written in the time I last refreshed and was browsing and writing my post. Which based on that answer, it doesn't look like it would work the same way as BMR.

        However, relying on only one method in IM isn't a great idea any way you look at it. But I'm just one opinion and if you read my whole post it was about much more than that topic. It was mainly suggesting that you can follow Carl's very detailed method and based on what I've been experiencing, see great results. In fact, this month it looks like I'm set to make around $750 per month on only my adsense and clickbank sites which follow a very similar structure. And I'm also hoping to see some big jumps in profits in some of my 3-4 month old sites based on current rankings.

        I'm also set to release a product for one of my authority sites but I'm not going to get off topic. Back to what you mentioned, I agree with you and I even use UAW a bit in my backlinking strategy. I'm simply highlighting the fact that diversity breeds stability and strength in IM.
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        • Profile picture of the author ukcarl
          Originally Posted by TopBackBuilder View Post

          I just chatted with one of their representatives:



          me 4:19:44 PM


          awesome, is UAW a blog network similar to build my rank?

          Jeff 4:20:10 PM


          No


          we are not a private network



          buildmyrank was designed
          specifically to game google, our network is natural, organic and
          supplimental to 1000's of sites content needs... we need to maintain
          focus on quality content, natural linking speeds in addition to link
          diversity.






          me 4:20:50 PM


          so you don't own any of the sites in the network used to submit articles?


          Jeff 4:21:19 PM


          no....we submit to sites who want content for their site



          me 4:21:56 PM


          awesome, that was a keystone factor into whether I was going to use the service or not, thanks for your help!
          Hey TopBackBuilder thanks for this, I think this is definitely a subject of confusion for quite a few and is definitely something that needs clearing up. Again for people who missed that UAW IS NOT A BLOG NETWORK!

          Originally Posted by tylerjaysen View Post

          wow really cool post man. yeah it looks like you have 50 sites you say..and now your income has reached the $2k monthly..congrats!!

          This is very doable and easy too....don't need to question it..just do it. But yeah I agree that you need to diversify into CPA or amazon....cuz having just the adsense model can bite you in the end if something (Big G) goes awry.

          And BTW, Micro Niche Finder is awesome. I've used it exclusively to find juicy keywords to build sites like this. Most of the time MNF is very accurate in terms of giving you a site that will rank pretty fast and easy.
          Yeah MNF rocks! doesn't get enough love in my opinion.

          The truth is anyone could do this in a similar time even without the cash to invest if they did the work them selves, which is totally doable.

          I do however agree that its good to diversify, currently I am looking at other income streams would much rather have 5 different $2000 income streams than $10,000 all from Adsense

          Originally Posted by Ctscott860 View Post

          Hey ukcarl. I found some real good keywords that get 800/month. for a certain "tablet" that just came out. Do you think that this could be a good adsense site? if the keywords are 800 monthly, and 20,000 exact and 40(green check mark) SOC? keywords found using MNF.
          Hey give it a go man you wont know if you don't try, but the stats look good
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  • Profile picture of the author Ctscott860
    Hey ukcarl. I found some real good keywords that get 800/month. for a certain "tablet" that just came out. Do you think that this could be a good adsense site? if the keywords are 800 monthly, and 20,000 exact and 40(green check mark) SOC? keywords found using MNF.
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  • Profile picture of the author FrankLie
    Daanng, i can't believe I read everything in this thread! I loved everything I read in here! I'm pumped and I will go and follow some of the things I learn in here! Thanks guys!!!
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  • Profile picture of the author Cataclysm1987
    Just out of curiosity, I'm not sure if you mentioned this already but...how many sites do you have?
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  • Profile picture of the author iklanbarisgue
    $2000/month is fantastic earning..I hope i could get earning as big as yours..I'm a newbie and Your thread is very inspiring for me..I get new knowledge as well..Many people fiverr is good..perhaps I have to try it now..
    Good luck guys..
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  • Profile picture of the author Marko Radulovic
    Just got a trial of MNF.

    Does it always run this ridiculously slowly?
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  • Profile picture of the author marco005
    Hi,

    @ukcarl

    Excuse my novice questions;

    It is better to take product info or keywords keywords such;

    garden grills, gas grills?
    or like info keys , self improvement or so?

    Article marketing example garden grills;
    What would you write about because these topic;
    write about grilling? grill on? gardening? Or are such articles not good enough to send visitors from, directories, ezines/magazines to my adsense site and they click on it?

    Because of the article must fit the theme so.

    best wishes
    marco005
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  • Profile picture of the author jimnastics
    Carl, what's your timescale for a typical site? As in, how long do you leave it between each post? When do you put your Adsense code in? When do you do your bookmarking and article submission? It would be cool to have a more detailed cycle laid out, because it sounds like you're on to a really good thing
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  • Profile picture of the author socialbookmark
    However this way seems good, but the most difficult and important part of this process in my opinion is keyword research. However you said, i.e keywords with 1,000 searches per month are good but finding them is difficult and needs to have many ideas about subjects.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ctscott860
    Hey Ukcarl. I have a question. I found a KEYWORD with 8,000 monthly searches

    low exact phrase. and low SOC(SEE BELOW). but the .COM .NET & .ORG are taken.

    When I type this phrase in the top site is [keyword phrase]hq.com

    If i purchase [keyword phrase]site.com or [keyword phrase]site4u.com or [keyword phrase]siteonline.com

    Which would be more effective? Ive heard that the LESS words the better (maybe the 4u one) what do you think?

    THis keyword is too good to pass up.

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  • Profile picture of the author WebPen
    Wow- that's a ridiculously simply strategy. One 300 word article? I bet if they were 500+ words, they'd rank faster and higher.

    But since it seems to be working with 300, good on ya mate! Congrats
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  • Profile picture of the author TopBackBuilder
    The length has nothing to do with it, if it's original well written content than the owners of the blogs will accept them. If they're spun garbage, then they'll get rejected and you'll get poor results. I've been rewriting original articles written by myself, I'll outsource this eventually but for now it's fine.
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    • Profile picture of the author ukcarl
      Originally Posted by jimnastics View Post

      Carl, what's your timescale for a typical site? As in, how long do you leave it between each post? When do you put your Adsense code in? When do you do your bookmarking and article submission? It would be cool to have a more detailed cycle laid out, because it sounds like you're on to a really good thing
      Timescale is one day, everything is done in 1 day.

      So one day = 1 site finished then on to a new one the next day, that includes all content adding and all linkbuilding done UAW is obviously drip fed but this is handsfree.

      Originally Posted by Ctscott860 View Post

      Hey Ukcarl. I have a question. I found a KEYWORD with 8,000 monthly searches

      low exact phrase. and low SOC(SEE BELOW). but the .COM .NET & .ORG are taken.

      When I type this phrase in the top site is [keyword phrase]hq.com

      If i purchase [keyword phrase]site.com or [keyword phrase]site4u.com or [keyword phrase]siteonline.com

      Which would be more effective? Ive heard that the LESS words the better (maybe the 4u one) what do you think?

      THis keyword is too good to pass up.

      Personally I would say go for it its only just out of the higher end of green SOC and 37,000 competing pages is not bad, I would imagine it might need a little more link building, however just do the basics and see where you end up, if your not ranked well just build more links, there are usually some good services in the warrior for hire section that are good for bumping a site.
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  • Profile picture of the author bitdoze
    Good stuff, I am visiting your site to find out more.
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  • Profile picture of the author TopBackBuilder
    I'd like to point out that adsense flippers, who previously used BMR, is now switching to article marketing. Will they use UAW? I don't know but they definitely should. Funny how the student becomes the teacher isn't it?
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    • Profile picture of the author ukcarl
      Originally Posted by TopBackBuilder View Post

      I'd like to point out that adsense flippers, who previously used BMR, is now switching to article marketing. Will they use UAW? I don't know but they definitely should. Funny how the student becomes the teacher isn't it?
      Lol well I wouldn't go that far

      The guys over at Adsense Flippers do a great job.

      I suppose I just never liked spammy automated linkbuilding its been doomed from the very beginning, if it doesn't add any value I don't get involved, another example would be profile links, they add no value but a year or so ago they were the new HOT thing, eventually the powers that be figure out "the new hot linkbuilding strategy" (SPAM) and then comes the slap.
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  • Profile picture of the author Captain_Morgan
    When you submit to UAW i understand that you can use 2 links in the article or the resource box yes??

    Also I understand that you only focus on 1 keyword for each micro niche yes??

    Now when doing a UAW submission how do you go about your links???? do you use only 1 link and target your home page?? or do you target your homepage and inner page too??

    If you do the homepage and inner page then do you do 2 submissions to UAW????
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    • Profile picture of the author ukcarl
      Originally Posted by Captain_Morgan View Post

      When you submit to UAW i understand that you can use 2 links in the article or the resource box yes??

      Also I understand that you only focus on 1 keyword for each micro niche yes??

      Now when doing a UAW submission how do you go about your links???? do you use only 1 link and target your home page?? or do you target your homepage and inner page too??

      If you do the homepage and inner page then do you do 2 submissions to UAW????
      Personally I just add 1 link to the home page with varied anchor text, but there is no reason why you cant do more
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  • Profile picture of the author Ctscott860
    Hello Ukcarl.

    How do you ad your adsense ads manually? or do u use adsense theme's?
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  • Profile picture of the author slomo
    Copy paste the adsense code into your post / page in the html view
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  • Profile picture of the author mauliea
    Where do you guys get this Micro Niche Finder? Any links?
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  • Profile picture of the author successproducts
    yeah in the nut shell that is exactly it -- but not all of the people who follows this advice makes it but it is NOT your fault. It's the keyword you chose.

    So I guess if you don't make money for 3 months on that site -- I feel you just make another site - and choose wisely this time.

    focus is great also -- please don't loose sight on that ...
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  • Profile picture of the author successproducts
    I truly feel that article marketing with great article or above average are good way to earn money. it makes you feel good doing it. you don't liter the search engines with junkie information.
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  • Profile picture of the author slomo
    http://micronichefinder.com/

    for sign up
    and here is the link with the paypal button

    Micro Niche Finder - The Keyword Tool for Internet Marketers
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  • Profile picture of the author Builder154
    I just started a thread on this but I thought I'd ask here too. Carl uses CTR Theme to put the adsense ads in and automatically split test different placements and versions. I want to do that too. But are there any other cheaper or ideally free options to do this either with themes or plugins?
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  • Profile picture of the author hbwsl
    Originally Posted by ukcarl View Post

    Hi everyone I just wanted to add this thread about my experience in the last 3 months going full time online, hopefully it can act as a bit of motivation for those of you out there that may be struggling to get going and perhaps are not making any of much money yet.



    This is something I feel anyone can achieve good results with, even people who are new to this industry, the process is basically building a network of small niche sites and monetizing them with Adsense or affiliate products.


    Now I should add this is nothing new, it's a technique that has been round for years, but its what's working for me right now and its working really well, right now as I write this in February my Adsense income is going to exceed $1700 this month and other affiliate commissions will come in at about $500 so $2200 for the month and I only started doing this at the end of November.



    Below is the full process I use to build these sites:


    Keyword research

    • Each site is focused around just 1 keyword so I find a keyword with at least 1000 exact searches a month, which passes my criteria for low competition which are:
    • Under 100,000 competing pages in Google when searched in quotes the lower the better
    • Low first page competition (to measure this I use Micro Niche Finder)
    • Exact Match domain available in either of the following .com .org .net (sometimes I will add a suffix or prefix if these three are not available and the keyword is too good to pass on)
    Setting up Site

    For all my sites I use Wordpress, why? Simple because it's easy to set up and you don't need to know anything about code once the site is set up which takes about 10 minutes, I add the following plugins:
    • All in one SEO pack
    • Simple Google analytics
    That's it; in my experience I find I don't need anything else.


    Content

    To start with these sites are small, I only add 3x500 word pages of original high quality content to begin with, this content is written for good onpage SEO but should add real value (not junk content) so the content follows the following rules:


    • High quality useful content
    • Keyword in the title
    • Keyword should be in the first and last paragraph and the one in the first paragraph should be in bold
    • I don't concentrate that much on keyword density but generally 1 - 2%
    • LSI keywords, THIS IS REALLY IMPROTANT I like to use 5 - 10 LSI terms in my posts, I find these by searching the main keyword in Googles keyword tool, the results will be displayed in order of relevance so I choose a hand full to use in my posts.
    • When you add the content also use the LSI keywords in your keywords for the all in one seo pack and your tags.
    • Every post will be added to the same category which will be the main keyword.
    Pages

    As well as our content we also want to add an about page, a contact page and a privacy policy the about and contact are just simple short pages and I generate the privacy policy at the following site serprank.com/privacy-policy-generator


    Monitize
    Most of my sites are monetized with Adsense for this I am currently using CTR theme but this is up to you I can personally only speak for my own results with this theme, which are good .
    Linkbuilding

    My link building process is very simple but also very effective; I buy a social bookmarking gig on Fiverr.com for a couple hundred social bookmark back links, next I will take a new 300 word article and spin it and use it for submission using Unique Article Wizard (if you don't pay for this tool monthly there are also fiverr gigs for this).


    BOOOOOM that's it done, I am currently building one of these sites a day and in roughly 3 months I have got to over $2000/month this month.


    Now this technique is not for everyone and I know many people out there prefer the authority site model, but here's the thing I don't want to debate which is best, this is just what's working for me right now, plus it is totally compliant with Googles Terms Of Service so this is totally legit.


    What's more is you will find that with testing so many niches you will find some real winners with this technique and there is nothing to stop you scaling these sites out to more of an authority site.


    Here's the thing this works FACT! The only thing that will stop you with this technique is not doing it


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    Dear Carl,

    Cool stuff with your success in the adsense world ! Thank you for sharing your experience and knowledge with others as well.

    Also thank you for your reference to CTR Theme, I am the new owner of this theme (took over from Eppie Vojt mid Feb 2012) and am chalking out a plan to improve and enhance the theme. Would appreciate your thoughts and ideas about anything you would like to change with the theme ?

    Regards
    Karthik
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    • Profile picture of the author ukcarl
      Originally Posted by hbwsl View Post

      Dear Carl,

      Cool stuff with your success in the adsense world ! Thank you for sharing your experience and knowledge with others as well.

      Also thank you for your reference to CTR Theme, I am the new owner of this theme (took over from Eppie Vojt mid Feb 2012) and am chalking out a plan to improve and enhance the theme. Would appreciate your thoughts and ideas about anything you would like to change with the theme ?

      Regards
      Karthik
      Hi thanks for your comments I do really like the theme, it gives really good CTR. Have sent you a PM regarding some thoughts.
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      • Profile picture of the author ukcarl
        Originally Posted by sackboy127 View Post

        Great strategy, but I'd start selling at least some of my sites at this you point (you're constantly building new ones anyways), so in case of an Adsense ban you're covered a bit, and also it'd be a good idea to start expanding the best performing sites. It'll be really worth it in the long run.
        I totally agree on both counts I am actually selling a site next week on flippa, and I am in the proccess at the minute of building out one of my better sites

        Originally Posted by dakar View Post

        Although I'm not saying this is what needs to be done, because i don't know if its allowed by google, but:

        If you are making a couple of thousand $'s a month on 50 sites, in theory you could setup a different business and adsense account for each 50th site that you make.
        This is exactly what I am looking into doing and its totally legit, Google even says so here: Can I sign up for more than one account? - AdSense Help scroll down to number 4.

        Basically you could create a business account at the bank and just set your account up as a business account, so instead of your real name the account would be set up in your business name and payments made to your business account, definitely spreads any risk.
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        • Profile picture of the author bbjumpman
          congrats on your success..i should start looking at place more adsense on my niche sites like this.
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        • Profile picture of the author dakar
          Originally Posted by ukcarl View Post


          This is exactly what I am looking into doing and its totally legit, Google even says so here: Can I sign up for more than one account? - AdSense Help scroll down to number 4.

          Basically you could create a business account at the bank and just set your account up as a business account, so instead of your real name the account would be set up in your business name and payments made to your business account, definitely spreads any risk.

          Nice find. I didn't know that. Looks like something I can definitely do as well!
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          • Profile picture of the author bbjumpman
            Quick question..do you ad your adsense code right when you make the site or do you rank them first then go back and add your code?
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            • Profile picture of the author snakeyes37
              Carl, when will part 3 of your outsourcing article be up on your website? I'm looking forward to reading it! Also, have you had any success with any of the other free adsense themes besides CTR?

              I also noticed that MNF is not returning the correct results.

              When researching a keyword and getting the exact phrase count the numbers are off by a few thousand. Example, one keyword returned a phrase count of 23,100. When I did an exact phrase search in my browser Google returned 27,400.

              However, when I clicked the number in MNF their browser window showed 23,100 in Google. Why would the number be different in Google through MNF vs Google in my browser using the exact phrase count?

              And if the numbers are that different, how can the results for the SOC be trusted?

              Thanks
              Nick
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  • Profile picture of the author marketwarrior06
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    Everything is OK but i don't really understand one thing... Why after following all of the given instructions 90% of people don't get 20% of the success???? can anyone explain???
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    • Profile picture of the author Pyramid Linkers
      Originally Posted by marketwarrior06 View Post

      Everything is OK but i don't really understand one thing... Why after following all of the given instructions 90% of people don't get 20% of the success???? can anyone explain???
      Lots of reasons: Ineffective linkbuilding, badly optimized articles on each site, self sabotage, lack of focus or any number of other issues people have. Most successful marketers were clueless at some point though. So the ones that are behind will come along or eventually switch to something else.
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      • Profile picture of the author ukcarl
        Originally Posted by Pyramid Linkers View Post

        Lots of reasons: Ineffective linkbuilding, badly optimized articles on each site, self sabotage, lack of focus or any number of other issues people have. Most successful marketers were clueless at some point though. So the ones that are behind will come along or eventually switch to something else.
        This is so true there are so many reasons why this might not work for people, but the negative effects on the process are usually self inflicted, people are either doing it wrong or giving up before they give the process a chance.

        The truth is we all have to start somewhere and the more you try and fail, the more you learn and the closer you will be getting to success, thats just the way it is for most entrepreneurs, on and offline, its rare that anyone strikes gold instantly, sure it happens but if it does it is often down to a bit of luck.
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  • Profile picture of the author kayode10
    Good, this is highly inspiring, i like it
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  • Profile picture of the author sackboy127
    Great strategy, but I'd start selling at least some of my sites at this you point (you're constantly building new ones anyways), so in case of an Adsense ban you're covered a bit, and also it'd be a good idea to start expanding the best performing sites. It'll be really worth it in the long run.
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    • Profile picture of the author SomedayMaybe
      Originally Posted by sackboy127 View Post

      Great strategy, but I'd start selling at least some of my sites at this you point (you're constantly building new ones anyways), so in case of an Adsense ban you're covered a bit, and also it'd be a good idea to start expanding the best performing sites. It'll be really worth it in the long run.
      I sell off some of my sites as I build others too, which is why I don't like the idea of using the CTR theme (or any other theme without a developer license. It's interesting to note though that I have seen many sites using the CTR theme advertised for sale on Flippa, and not one of them have mentioned that the new owner will have to buy a license for the theme as well as buying the site itself). I'm curious to know how much the success of this plan relies on the CTR theme, and whether many people have had any luck using something else.
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  • Profile picture of the author Builder154
    OK I've found some pretty simple code that will let you split test adsense blocks as long as they're in the same position, changing the color or font. But I still need help with how to split test different adsense positions other than using a paid theme like CTR theme. Is there a plugin that will do this so I can just use whatever theme I want?
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  • Profile picture of the author cooler1
    You mentioned you use UAW as your primary method of link building. That is $67/month which works out as a cost of $768 per year.

    How does UAW compare to AMR? Are the links are of higher quality? I gather it must be somewhat more powerful as it's far more costly paying over $760 per year compared to a one of fee of $100 for AMR.
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    • Profile picture of the author cright
      Originally Posted by cooler1 View Post

      You mentioned you use UAW as your primary method of link building. That is $67/month which works out as a cost of $3484 per year.

      How does UAW compare to AMR? Are the links are of higher quality? I gather it must be somewhat more powerful as it's far more costly paying over $3k per year compared to a one of fee of $100 for AMR.
      Your math is a little off there. 64 * 12 = 768.

      And you can just outsource it to fiverr if you're not running enough sites to warrant the cost.

      I've never used AMR, but I think the difference is that it submits articles to directories and UAW provides your content to unaffiliated blog owners who sign up to receive it.
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  • Profile picture of the author TopBackBuilder
    UAW and AMR do not compare in any way possible. AMR is a spam tool that places articles on unsuspecting article directories.

    UAW has agreements made with the article directory sites and has permission to post there, and they provide relevant content to relevant sites.

    If you were to build 15 sites a month, which isn't hard to do. You'd spend $75 a month using fiver instead of paying $67 a month on UAW. Yes you'd be outsourcing your work, but your articles probably would get deleted by a lot of the sites due to lack of original, quality content.

    $67 a month is nothing considering you can backlink as many sites as you want, common people!

    Originally Posted by marketwarrior06 View Post

    Everything is OK but i don't really understand one thing... Why after following all of the given instructions 90% of people don't get 20% of the success???? can anyone explain???
    There are probably very few people actually putting in the work. Most people reading this thread say "hey that's interesting" and then go purchase the next latest greatest push button wso.

    That kind of question is a trap, cause anyone, such as myself, who is actually putting this to work will not see results for at least a few months.
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    • Profile picture of the author Builder154
      Originally Posted by TopBackBuilder View Post

      There are probably very few people actually putting in the work. Most people reading this thread say "hey that's interesting" and then go purchase the next latest greatest push button wso.

      That kind of question is a trap, cause anyone, such as myself, who is actually putting this to work will not see results for at least a few months.
      I think you're partially right. But I also think part of it is keyword selection. I have had to work enormous amounts of time just to find a handful of keywords just meeting the minimum criteria. I also notice that several of the people I've seen who have had this kind of success Carl describes do batches of sites and one or two end up being big winners and covering for all the others. If someone else doesn't hit that lucky couple sites within their batch, they could do much worse or even lose money. So there is a little bit of luck involved too.
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  • Profile picture of the author ishuvonet
    First of all thanks for sharing your strategy,as many people dont prefer to share their own and of course your strategy is nice and simple and above all inspirational.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dayes
    I think it should be noted that making sites like this is extremely risky in the long-term. Having hundreds of MFA sites on your Adsense account is likely to draw attention from Google, and you run the risk of getting your Adsense account banned.

    Focusing on making a lot of smaller sites isn't a bad thing, provided they actually have a decent amount of content and are updated regularly. However, making sites that are blatantly made solely for Adsense and provide very little content, e.g. 5 articles, will not go down too well with Google.
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    • Profile picture of the author dakar
      Originally Posted by Dayes View Post

      I think it should be noted that making sites like this is extremely risky in the long-term. Having hundreds of MFA sites on your Adsense account is likely to draw attention from Google, and you run the risk of getting your Adsense account banned.

      Focusing on making a lot of smaller sites isn't a bad thing, provided they actually have a decent amount of content and are updated regularly. However, making sites that are blatantly made solely for Adsense and provide very little content, e.g. 5 articles, will not go down too well with Google.
      Although I'm not saying this is what needs to be done, because i don't know if its allowed by google, but:

      If you are making a couple of thousand $'s a month on 50 sites, in theory you could setup a different business and adsense account for each 50th site that you make.
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  • Profile picture of the author JoeUK
    Very Inspirational post and some nice replies - off to check out your blog...
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  • Profile picture of the author Ctscott860
    I am currently following UKcarl's advice. and I am currently on page 4 on google for my keyword. (up from page 7). I hope to on page one within a few weeks.
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    • Profile picture of the author TopBackBuilder
      Originally Posted by Ctscott860 View Post

      I am currently following UKcarl's advice. and I am currently on page 4 on google for my keyword. (up from page 7). I hope to on page one within a few weeks.
      Don't sit around waiting for rank improvement too long, jump onto the next site asap.
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      • Profile picture of the author ukcarl
        Originally Posted by bbjumpman View Post

        Quick question..do you ad your adsense code right when you make the site or do you rank them first then go back and add your code?
        Yeah I just stick it in straight away, cant see why it matters to be honest

        Originally Posted by snakeyes37 View Post

        Carl, when will part 3 of your outsourcing article be up on your website? I'm looking forward to reading it! Also, have you had any success with any of the other free adsense themes besides CTR?

        I also noticed that MNF is not returning the correct results.

        When researching a keyword and getting the exact phrase count the numbers are off by a few thousand. Example, one keyword returned a phrase count of 23,100. When I did an exact phrase search in my browser Google returned 27,400.

        However, when I clicked the number in MNF their browser window showed 23,100 in Google. Why would the number be different in Google through MNF vs Google in my browser using the exact phrase count?

        And if the numbers are that different, how can the results for the SOC be trusted?

        Thanks
        Nick
        That is a little strange cant say that I ever noticed, to be fair as long as what I am doing is working then it doesn't really matter I guess, however you could always post a ticket with support, they are usually quite quick to respond.

        Originally Posted by JoeUK View Post

        Very Inspirational post and some nice replies - off to check out your blog...
        Glad you like it, thanks for the support

        Originally Posted by Ctscott860 View Post

        I am currently following UKcarl's advice. and I am currently on page 4 on google for my keyword. (up from page 7). I hope to on page one within a few weeks.
        Excellent job just keep, building more sites

        Originally Posted by TopBackBuilder View Post

        Don't sit around waiting for rank improvement too long, jump onto the next site asap.
        Thats exactly right just keep moving, dont obsess over 1 site the fact is they wont all be winners, the more you build the more winners you will find.
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    • Profile picture of the author Ctscott860
      Originally Posted by Ctscott860 View Post

      I am currently following UKcarl's advice. and I am currently on page 4 on google for my keyword. (up from page 7). I hope to on page one within a few weeks.
      UPDATE:

      Currently on PAGE 3 for my keyword. I made the SITE on 4/7/12.

      Followed UKcarl's step by step strategy.

      SLow and steady wins the adsense. Im seeing results faster than expected
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    • Profile picture of the author Ctscott860
      Originally Posted by Ctscott860 View Post

      I am currently following UKcarl's advice. and I am currently on page 4 on google for my keyword. (up from page 7). I hope to on page one within a few weeks.
      UPDATE FROM 4.9.12!!!!

      I am now RANKED #2 for my search term with the following stats




      using UKcarl's easy methods. you just have to have some patience!!!
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        Originally Posted by Ctscott860 View Post

        UPDATE FROM 4.9.12!!!!

        I am now RANKED #2 for my search term with the following stats




        using UKcarl's easy methods. you just have to have some patience!!!

        That's awesome! Congratulations.
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  • Profile picture of the author snakeyes37
    Thanks Builder!
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  • Profile picture of the author Aviator Joe
    "taking action" is the most important takeway anyone can get. It's definitely the hardest part.

    p.s.
    Spending all day in front of the computer and get nothing done does not count as taking action
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    • Profile picture of the author JasonB
      Originally Posted by Aviator Joe View Post

      "taking action" is the most important takeway anyone can get. It's definitely the hardest part.

      p.s.
      Spending all day in front of the computer and get nothing done does not count as taking action
      I couldn't have said this any better myself...

      This is exactly why people don't make money online....or offline too.

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      • Profile picture of the author ukcarl
        Originally Posted by JasonB View Post

        I couldn't have said this any better myself...

        This is exactly why people don't make money online....or offline too.

        JB
        Very True, its the biggest problem with newbies they expect things to happen over night with no work especially in the online world with all the promises of over night riches.
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    • Profile picture of the author Marko Radulovic
      Hi again.

      I picked up the MNF trial, it seemed intriguing. It remains to be seen if I can trust the SEO competition analysis, but it seems promising at the moment.

      3 points in this post:

      1. I built a site using your method, MNF to gauge competition, 3 articles, social bookmarking and now UAW. Lets see if I can get it working. MNF reading was in the green, mebbe 41 or so. The site was just indexed, so I ordered a UAW project on fiverr, set for 20 per day drip. I ordered two articles for the site, but they required extensive editing and range from 350-600 words. The sites main article I wrote myself, in the 900 word range.

      Since finding exact match in com/org/net is so hard, I've been using .info.

      The site currently isn't ranking in top 100 for google, which I don't consider a promising sign. It's been about a week now.

      2. Now a question, both for carl and anyone else here with experience. I had built a few other sites using this method as base, but without MNF. I've been having difficulty gauging competition properly - I've a few sites that are a few months old and not ranking anywhere near page 1. I do not believe the keywords I targeted were viable.

      I gave MNF a go last night for the niches related to those websites, looking for really long tail keywords I could target. I figure I can salvage the sites involved if I switch focus and begin targeting those keywords. The sites have backlinks built to them already.

      The question is - how important is exact match domain name here? Is it worth trying to target those keyword terms without an exact match domain name? Or is it better to launch an exact match domain specifically targeting those long-tail keywords? The articles I have are quality and I don't want to see them going to waste.

      3. Flipping. I hear talk of folks flipping sites for 100 dollars, etc. Do folks buy sites that aren't monetized and not making money yet?

      Thanks guys
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  • Profile picture of the author marco005
    Hi,

    the key is when to build a niche adsense site product or information sites, to het target traffic, enough by an 5% ctr to make 1000$ or more every month with adsense.

    How many articles I must write to high free directories, ezines and magazines to get this traffic?

    That's the question, it will be difference from niche to niche.

    Say you must make 33$ each day, you will need 100 clicks of 0,30$ to make this money, 5% ctr ,means you must have 2000 target visitors each day to make 1000$ in month with adsense.

    That's a lot.

    best wishes
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    • Profile picture of the author theverysmartguy
      Originally Posted by marco005 View Post


      Say you must make 33$ each day, you will need 100 clicks of 0,30$ to make this money, 5% ctr ,means you must have 2000 target visitors each day to make 1000$ in month with adsense.
      This is why you create niche websites in niches that have a high CPC.

      Carl mentions to target niches that have a cpc of at least $1.

      It is not hard to find niches that are going to pay you quite a bit per click.

      Most of the niches I create sites around of a cpc of at least $2. This means that as long as the bid is around $2 when they click, I will be getting 68% of that, which is $1.36 a click. Mind you, not every click will be like that, but on average, that is what I get paid per click.

      If you want or "need" $33/day then you need about 25 clicks a day for that. That is about 500 hits a day. However, if you have multiple sites, you would only need about 7 sites to get your $33/day. ( with the CPC that I just mentioned ).

      Is it hard to get to $33/day. No.

      Does it take work? Yes.

      The main people who do not succeed are not taking action. "Doing nothing is worse than doing in wrong."

      At least the people who are taking action, but might not being getting the same results are learning something. They are learning what not to do, and once they find out how to do it the right way, they will put the amount of effort back into it again and see massive results.

      You asked a question: How many articles does it take to get the traffic?

      Carl isn't relying on traffic from articles or articles directories to get him the traffic he needs. He is using mass article submission to get back links out there so that he can rank for easy to rank for keywords in Google, which will then bring him organic traffic from the search engines.

      So how many does it take? Well, it takes as many as it does to get ranked in the search engines.

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      • Profile picture of the author WhosGotMoves
        Originally Posted by theverysmartguy View Post


        The main people who do not succeed are not taking action. "Doing nothing is worse than doing in wrong."

        -- Jeff
        Wow, absolutely true! Great information Jeff. For some people this doesn't click until late in the game, for others it never will and they'll quit before they ever gave it a full swing. This is all the reason to continue to apply Carl's strategy and find what works for you.
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  • Profile picture of the author adammck
    Hi Ukcarl, great work pal.

    Care to share any of your Fiverr gigs? I use Fiverr and it does very well for me. I'm always looking for recommendations from other people.

    Cheers
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  • Profile picture of the author Batou
    good info.
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  • Profile picture of the author teachingking
    ukcarl,

    I would also be interested to know which specific fiverr gigs you recommend. Also curious to know if you do more than one gig at a time per site.

    Thanks,
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    • Profile picture of the author TopBackBuilder
      This is off topic and I apologize ahead of time:

      Carl I better see you at the adsense flippers webinar on the 12th! My wife's having surgery but I'm still gonna make it

      Is that cold of me? I care not :p
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      • Profile picture of the author ukcarl
        Originally Posted by TopBackBuilder View Post

        This is off topic and I apologize ahead of time:

        Carl I better see you at the adsense flippers webinar on the 12th! My wife's having surgery but I'm still gonna make it

        Is that cold of me? I care not :p
        Would like to, but what time is it, I always find these sorts of things are like 2.00am GMT by which time I'm nicely tucked up in bed zzzzzzzzzzz
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        • Profile picture of the author Dealdoll
          ukcarl LOVE this thread! Great information! Do you have a specific person on fiverr? I've tried a few gigs with not so much luck! greetings to UK! my husband is from Burnley!
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          • Profile picture of the author ukcarl
            Originally Posted by Dealdoll View Post

            ukcarl LOVE this thread! Great information! Do you have a specific person on fiverr? I've tried a few gigs with not so much luck! greetings to UK! my husband is from Burnley!
            Ha ha thats pretty cool I rent a house in nelson right next to Burnley like 5 -10 miles away.

            All I will say with fiverr is search a service by popularity and you wont go far wrong.

            If I post the exact gig I use it will get swamped, but there is no mystery to it I just searched by popular gigs and chose one, simple as that
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        • Profile picture of the author TopBackBuilder
          Originally Posted by ukcarl View Post

          Would like to, but what time is it, I always find these sorts of things are like 2.00am GMT by which time I'm nicely tucked up in bed zzzzzzzzzzz
          darn i just realized that registration was full... sorry mate. On the flip side, they're going to have the replay up and they're giving away they're new STUFFED ebook for free I hope to have a content site up like you guys when my sites kick up

          Adsense flippers is nice however I find that your techniques just make more sense. They had the runaround from BMR before they finally decided to stick with article marketing. Their podcast is gold though, don't get me wrong there. Perhaps one day you can do your own podcast as well?

          Update:
          Well I had 5 mns built in the past 20 days or so, I'm having a slow start just to make sure I understand and get the hang of things before I go up to 15 sites a day.

          Because of some very complicated things that went on with my host, all my sites got wiped off the face of the earth, therefore and I stress, backup your websites people! Please! I'm running around like a chicken with its head cut off to write new articles(which I should have saved). It's all a learning process, but we gotta pick our heads back up and truck through it.
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  • Profile picture of the author marco005
    Wow,

    @theverysmartguy, yes the higher the cpc then higher will be your google adsense payout.

    But I have tested this for 4 weeks, (ok, 4 weeks is not many action), in the big fitness niche like treadmills, and so on cpc is there between 2,50-4,50, my site is all about fitness products, very target google adsense ads placed as link units over the title, and some in content wrapped blended in very well, linktitle is blue.

    I wonder get 0,20 $ per click, from a keyword that has between 2,50-4,50 cpc it is max.10%, not 68%.

    I have tested article marketing every week 5 articles to ezinemark, 5 articles to amazines, 5 articles to ideamarketers-results from that: so 10 visitors each day only from that. (ezines-magazines I have don't tested in moment) I have 35 backlinks from theese directories include backlins from blogger, tumblr.

    My articles on theese directories has between 15-35 views, this is less, why not more? I don't know.

    What say that to me: Look for better directories with higher pr than amazines?
    Write many many many more articles in theese directories- to get more visitors from them plus backlinks for a better google ranking to get more and better target seo traffic????

    Little moment: I have not only amazon fitness home gym products on my site, have info articles too, about ab workout or nutritions and so on, in a category named; fitness news, I think this articles not have high cpc, so that theese would be make the other higher cpc from the gym products down.

    Many IM said,that articles or a site with keywords that have lesser cpc, will kill down your other sites with high cpc keywords, I think that's my problem why I get only 0,20 $ payout.

    I must had wrotes only gym products not info news additional too.

    To make good adsense money only with information sites, not products, it must be a big niche like finance ors o, they have a high payout.

    Better i concentrate to make bigger sites (50-150 pages) with informational articles, not products, I can better write informational articles than product reviews.

    Or try to make the ads standout (not like black/green other formats), perhapsstand out ads will have higher ctr I must try this.

    best wishes
    marco005
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    • Profile picture of the author theverysmartguy
      Originally Posted by marco005 View Post

      I wonder get 0,20 $ per click, from a keyword that has between 2,50-4,50 cpc it is max.10%, not 68%.
      That 0.20 you got for a click was a 68% payout for whatever they were bidding on.

      ( look in your adsense account under account settings, scroll down to account information, and look at active products. Where is says Adsense for Content it will tell you that you get 68% of each click, and searches get 51% )

      Where are you finding the CPC for your keywords? The only accurate CPC is going to be from the contextual targeting tool inside the Google adwords admin panel. All the other place you find CPC is for adwords, not for adsense. They have a much different CPC.

      And even there, if it says that the suggested bit is lets says $3.00, it doesn't mean that ALL of the bids are going to be $3.00. You might get some lower, some higher.

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    Brilliant and inspirational to us all.
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  • Profile picture of the author marco005
    Hi,

    Question:

    Must I rank only with the niche root keyword who is in the domain too, or must I rank with all categories I build (big industries difficult to rank) ???

    When I only must rank for the niche keyword who is in the domain too, its easier and faster, so than my other big keyword categories will rank too when the home page with the root keywordgets ranking???

    Or must be all my categories niche keys who is easy to rank???

    best wishes
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  • Profile picture of the author outwest
    I had asked before carl, this thread is more than one month old. How is the income holding out?
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  • Profile picture of the author codecreative
    Hi Carl

    First of, congratulations for supporting yourself and making your own income, I'm based in the uk as well and build sites for other people as well as take care of there seo. I have been wanting to make sites for myself though and the only problem I see with doing this is not in the method you mention but the execution.

    Ok for example, with seo I tend to build links myself I don't outsource it so it is time consuming but its worth it for what I get paid. For this type of model you suggest to work I would have to use fiver and outsource which I am very much in favour of.

    My concern is how do you know which gig to use, some I'm sure will not be trustworthy, some may be poor quality and even worse get your site sandboxed. This is why I won't use fiver for my clients or outsource the work as you could imagine the damage it would do to my reputation if I was to outsource link building for an seo project for a client of mine and they ended up with some guy doing black hat techniques that gets there site removed from google.

    Can you recommend what gigs to use if not here in a pm, and if you can't can you suggest what you look for to help you decide on what gig to choose? thanks mate
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    • Profile picture of the author ukcarl
      Originally Posted by codecreative View Post

      Hi Carl

      First of, congratulations for supporting yourself and making your own income, I'm based in the uk as well and build sites for other people as well as take care of there seo. I have been wanting to make sites for myself though and the only problem I see with doing this is not in the method you mention but the execution.

      Ok for example, with seo I tend to build links myself I don't outsource it so it is time consuming but its worth it for what I get paid. For this type of model you suggest to work I would have to use fiver and outsource which I am very much in favour of.

      My concern is how do you know which gig to use, some I'm sure will not be trustworthy, some may be poor quality and even worse get your site sandboxed. This is why I won't use fiver for my clients or outsource the work as you could imagine the damage it would do to my reputation if I was to outsource link building for an seo project for a client of mine and they ended up with some guy doing black hat techniques that gets there site removed from google.

      Can you recommend what gigs to use if not here in a pm, and if you can't can you suggest what you look for to help you decide on what gig to choose? thanks mate
      Hi I have worked for an Agency doing SEO and PPC and I understand your concern, after all your own sites tanking is your problem but when it comes to clients there is a lot more to think of in terms of reputation.

      With this in mind in your situation I would probably stick with outsourcing for a bit more money somewhere like Odesk, and vet the people you intend to use, it can still work out very cheap but the advantage is you can specify what you want and the kind of money you would like to pay.

      Hope this helps
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  • Profile picture of the author marco005
    Hi,

    @theverysmartguy, thanks for your tip!

    best wishes
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  • Profile picture of the author codecreative
    Hi Carl

    Thanks for the fast reply. The point is today Im going to try and do an adsense site and follow what you do, I dont think I explained my question to well as I can ramble on a bit. In a nutshell I want to do my own adsense site and I'm happy to take a risk but can you please tell me who to use on fiver? Which gig is good to use for my adsense site?

    thanks a lot in advance if you ever need any help don't hestitate to ask me as there isn't much I don't know when it comes to programming.
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    • Profile picture of the author ukcarl
      Originally Posted by codecreative View Post

      Hi Carl

      Thanks for the fast reply. The point is today Im going to try and do an adsense site and follow what you do, I dont think I explained my question to well as I can ramble on a bit. In a nutshell I want to do my own adsense site and I'm happy to take a risk but can you please tell me who to use on fiver? Which gig is good to use for my adsense site?

      thanks a lot in advance if you ever need any help don't hestitate to ask me as there isn't much I don't know when it comes to programming.
      Basically I don't have specific gigs to recommend, all I do is go to fiverr search, for example, social bookmarking then just sort by popularity, then all you need to do is read feedback and make an educated decision.

      On another note what sort of coding are you good at, what programming languages etc.

      I currently have a few ideas for a few things, for example wordpress theme's, plugins and also IPhone app games.

      Let me know by PM, maybe we could work something out
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  • Profile picture of the author jimnastics
    Carl, how long do you spend on the UAW part? It seems to take me ages to rewrite an article twice and sort out at least 32 resource boxes. Any tips?
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    • Profile picture of the author ukcarl
      Originally Posted by jimnastics View Post

      Carl, how long do you spend on the UAW part? It seems to take me ages to rewrite an article twice and sort out at least 32 resource boxes. Any tips?
      I'm sorry to say there's no real solution unless you outsource it, its my least favorite part also
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      • Profile picture of the author jimnastics
        Originally Posted by ukcarl View Post

        I'm sorry to say there's no real solution unless you outsource it, its my least favorite part also
        Ha fair enough, thought that might be the case!! Certainly my least favourite part as well. Guess it's a case of putting in the hard work first, then using earnings to scale up / outsource.
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  • Profile picture of the author Captain_Morgan
    Carl

    regarding UAW do you rewrite your articles twice or do you just use spintex??
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    • Profile picture of the author ukcarl
      Originally Posted by Captain_Morgan View Post

      Carl

      regarding UAW do you rewrite your articles twice or do you just use spintex??
      Personally I spin the main article with spinner chief which is free and then I proof read and rewrite bits that don't read well
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      • Profile picture of the author Builder154
        Originally Posted by ukcarl View Post

        Personally I spin the main article with spinner chief which is free and then I proof read and rewrite bits that don't read well
        Carl,

        Using Spinner Chief here too. What is your spinning process? Do you spin by paragraph, sentence and word? Or just by words? Do you use the multi-word module?

        Curious to hear your Spinner Chief process.
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  • Profile picture of the author codecreative
    Hi Carl

    I can do php as well as all standard css/xhtml/xml standard web stuff and can write in java as well. I dont touch microsoft languages. Which seo pack do you recommend? I've actually gone ahead bought a domain written some homepage content bought the theme and putting it all together at the moment.
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  • Profile picture of the author Emalin
    Hi Carl

    Very nice work, I'm impress. Do you think it can work
    for french Market ?
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  • Profile picture of the author codecreative
    The CTR theme is a little strange it doesn't show your other pages... All I can presume is you must make your pages as posts
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    • Profile picture of the author ukcarl
      Originally Posted by Emalin View Post

      Hi Carl

      Very nice work, I'm impress. Do you think it can work
      for french Market ?
      There is definitely no reason it wouldn't work for the French market, it will probably be easier due to less saturation compared to the US market.

      Originally Posted by codecreative View Post

      The CTR theme is a little strange it doesn't show your other pages... All I can presume is you must make your pages as posts
      Add pages in the widget area, I like to put them in the footer widget
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  • Profile picture of the author wackiin
    I finding alot of stuff that have a few video's in the top spots does this turn you off?
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    • Profile picture of the author codecreative
      Originally Posted by wackiin View Post

      I finding alot of stuff that have a few video's in the top spots does this turn you off?
      it turned me off those keywords yes,


      thanks again carl i just went out to the shop for half hour break been sat at the machine for hours straight and expected that'd be the case. amazing what a little break does your mind seems to start sub conciously thinking things through.

      Have you noticed that bullet points don't render with the theme not that its a big deal!
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  • Profile picture of the author wackiin
    haha nice im finding alot doing google keyword tool
    then i put them in mnf and the local searches drop to 0 to 50
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  • Profile picture of the author snakeyes37
    I've been trying to get started using Carl's method. So far I've had zero success in finding a niche that produces good keywords with low competition. Will keep trying though...
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    • Profile picture of the author Builder154
      Originally Posted by snakeyes37 View Post

      I've been trying to get started using Carl's method. So far I've had zero success in finding a niche that produces good keywords with low competition. Will keep trying though...
      This is what I've found too. I finally found a few but it took an incredible amount of time and effort. I still have no clue how Carl finds these day in and day out.
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      • Profile picture of the author snakeyes37
        Originally Posted by Builder154 View Post

        This is what I've found too. I finally found a few but it took an incredible amount of time and effort. I still have no clue how Carl finds these day in and day out.

        Yeah, there definitely has to be more to it then just plugging in random keywords and hoping for the best. Because so far I haven't found anything.
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  • Profile picture of the author matricresult
    i am also doing the same work but unable to get to much money......
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  • Profile picture of the author debratorveny
    I never thought about this, I thank you for sharing thoughts and insights. This thread is very helpful for me.
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  • Profile picture of the author codecreative
    "Step 7: Getting Your Website to Number 1 on Google
    Next, we’re going to be focusing on getting our site to the top of Google by building quality backlinks to our site.


    Important- Before You Build A Single Backlink
    I recommend you wait at least 2 weeks before building a single backlink. I’ve noticed that I tend to rank higher (and have my rankings stick) more easily if I wait a few weeks. Right after your site goes live, Google has to decide how to categorize you (which is why it’s important to link out to authority sites).

    If you build links right away, you may get ranked quickly, but your rankings will almost always drop right away (my theory is that Google categorizes you as a trending topic/news story when you get links too quickly, which is why you rank fast, then drop).

    I’ve noticed this over and over again in my websites so I always wait 2-3 weeks before building a single backlink."


    I took the above quote from a stick thread about adsense and the link building process. Now do you think the above applies to social bookmarks? Personally I do not because news articles etc don't get listed on social bookmarks. My site has already been indexed and approved by google within 24 hours already showing the ads and I can honestly say the theme is fantastic it blends in the ads perfectly.

    I have a homepage, about us page, and a contact page, can I just ask why is there a need to build the site with more then just the one home page.
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  • Profile picture of the author BDE4Live
    Hi Carl, thanks for sharing this info. Just want to say that I'm taking action and got my first site up, working on my second one. All outsource and it s costing me 35/ per site.
    Can't wait to get my little empire going. Thanks again for making it easy
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  • Profile picture of the author marco005
    Hi,

    great ukcarl, you give me more ideas to find a niche, I think will make my ads stand out will bring me a higher ctr than blend in, but not the black/green xfactor theme.

    best wishes
    marco005
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    • Profile picture of the author spoofies
      Thanks for the info, truly a great resource. I'm just starting off.

      I had 10 sites outsourced, but ended up getting a pretty ****ty writer for the content. The grammar is terrible for the most part. How important do you think this is in terms of ranking the site?

      I previously had a site get ranked on the 1st page using spammy SEO fiverr gigs. It has since fallen lower in the rankings, dozens of pages. Is there a chance I can do some high quality backlinking (ezine submission, spin + drip UAW) to get it back to the top?

      Thanks for all your help guys.
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  • Profile picture of the author snakeyes37
    I've had to stop and take a break from keyword research. Spending endless hours day after day checking keywords that have very high competition becomes frustrating and discouraging after a certain point.
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    • Profile picture of the author Builder154
      Originally Posted by snakeyes37 View Post

      I've had to stop and take a break from keyword research. Spending endless hours day after day checking keywords that have very high competition becomes frustrating and discouraging after a certain point.
      I sympathize. I spent like 5 or 6 hours a day for a week or two just to find a handful. I have posted several times about this and Carl has yet to respond explaining how he is finding so many keywords while we are struggling so much. This is the first obstacle of the whole process. I'm glad I somewhat got to the next step, but just plugging in random keywords from ezine articles does not lead to many keywords that meet the criteria in my experience.
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      • Profile picture of the author kickmoney
        Think about it guys.

        He's only banking about $2000 a month.

        That's around $70 per day. And he has over 50 websites.

        Not every keyword he goes for is going to bank well. You've got to put in some work...trial and error.
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        • Profile picture of the author Builder154
          Originally Posted by kickmoney View Post

          Think about it guys.

          He's only banking about $2000 a month.

          That's around $70 per day. And he has over 50 websites.

          Not every keyword he goes for is going to bank well. You've got to put in some work...trial and error.
          That's not what we're talking about. Even the keywords that DO meet the criteria may not pay off when you try them. But we're just talking about keywords that even meet Carl's minimum criteria for even trying them. Even those are hard to find.
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          • Profile picture of the author snakeyes37
            Well I've watched Carl's video on keyword research. From what I saw it doesn't look like he does anything special when researching keywords. He just copies potential keywords from ezine articles and runs them through MNF.

            However, I've done the same exact thing with many different niches. Local searches and SERPs turn out good, SOC is usually between the 100's and 1000s. On rare occasion I've been able to find a few that are between 60 to 80, but if your following Carl's guide to a T this is too high.

            What I may try doing is instead of using MNF to measure competition I'm considering using SEO Quake to measure first page competition in Google. I don't fully trust the numbers MNF puts out. The SERP numbers are always different in MNF vs searching for the same exact keyword in Google.
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            • Profile picture of the author Builder154
              Originally Posted by snakeyes37 View Post

              What I may try doing is instead of using MNF to measure competition I'm considering using SEO Quake to measure first page competition in Google. I don't fully trust the numbers MNF puts out. The SERP numbers are always different in MNF vs searching for the same exact keyword in Google.
              I already posted you that link about why it seems like MNF and Google's numbers differ. MNF is getting them directly from the source. It's actually more accurate than your numbers, not the other way around. That's not really the problem. The problem, as you say, is so few are even under 100 in SOC that aren't just completely unsearched.
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          • Profile picture of the author kickmoney
            Originally Posted by Builder154 View Post

            That's not what we're talking about. Even the keywords that DO meet the criteria may not pay off when you try them. But we're just talking about keywords that even meet Carl's minimum criteria for even trying them. Even those are hard to find.
            Exactly what I said.

            Trial and error bro.
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            • Profile picture of the author Builder154
              Originally Posted by kickmoney View Post

              Exactly what I said.

              Trial and error bro.
              No you're still missing the point. There are certain criteria to even make it worth testing a keyword. And snakeyes and I have had trouble even finding THOSE keywords. Get the difference?
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              • Profile picture of the author keithneal
                Originally Posted by Builder154 View Post

                No you're still missing the point. There are certain criteria to even make it worth testing a keyword. And snakeyes and I have had trouble even finding THOSE keywords. Get the difference?
                You're looking for keywords that have exact match domain available that receive decent traffic 1-5k/month on exact match, and give you right around 1.60 a click on the contextual targeting tool. ONCE you found that, you need to check for weak competition. Now I like extremely weak competition, like sites with -- backlinks. But anything less than 100 won't be too hard to outrank OVER TIME, this isn't a get rich quick system, since if you built 20 sites today (exaggeration) and they made you $100 by the end of the month, you wouldn't even see that $100 until the end of May. I started making niche sites in early February, made around 20, Adsense says I banked $500 some odd dollars in March, meaning I made the 200 back, and the 200 I spent on fiverr gigs. Now it'll be autopilot revenue.

                This'll pay off if you do it, but in the age of the "I want it now" most people won't once they see how slow the results can be.

                Oh, and out of the 20 sites, only 7 are pulling in cash daily, the rest get the odd click here and there. Still, they're all paying for themselves so it's a win.
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      • Profile picture of the author Hydraman
        Originally Posted by Builder154 View Post

        I sympathize. I spent like 5 or 6 hours a day for a week or two just to find a handful. I have posted several times about this and Carl has yet to respond explaining how he is finding so many keywords while we are struggling so much. This is the first obstacle of the whole process. I'm glad I somewhat got to the next step, but just plugging in random keywords from ezine articles does not lead to many keywords that meet the criteria in my experience.
        I have two easy ways to find more keywords in less time than you stipulated in your post. I wrote about one of my methods in a WSO. I don't mean to promote my WSO here but referring you to the sales page will save me a lot of writing here to explain how I can get 10 to 15 very good keywords in under 10 minutes. Read the sales page if you like, for some examples of low competition keywords I found in a very short time of research. Don't give up. Effective keyword research comes with experience. In time you too will be able to find plenty of low competition keywords in no time.
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        • Profile picture of the author snakeyes37
          Originally Posted by Hydraman View Post

          I have two easy ways to find more keywords in less time than you stipulated in your post. I wrote about one of my methods in a WSO. I don't mean to promote my WSO here but referring you to the sales page will save me a lot of writing here to explain how I can get 10 to 15 very good keywords in under 10 minutes. Read the sales page if you like, for some examples of low competition keywords I found in a very short time of research. Don't give up. Effective keyword research comes with experience. In time you too will be able to find plenty of low competition keywords in no time.

          I'm still having the same problem that Builder was having earlier. But it seems that he's found a few keywords, good for him. I however haven't been so lucky.

          Your WSO sounds intriguing, but I've spent too much money on countless WSO's that didn't produce anything. I'm alot more hesitant to spend money on WSO's now. I would like to find keywords faster rather then spending hours a day just to find a few keywords that don't even meet Carl's criteria completely.
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          • Profile picture of the author Builder154
            Originally Posted by snakeyes37 View Post

            I'm still having the same problem that Builder was having earlier. But it seems that he's found a few keywords, good for him. I however haven't been so lucky.

            Your WSO sounds intriguing, but I've spent too much money on countless WSO's that didn't produce anything. I'm alot more hesitant to spend money on WSO's now. I would like to find keywords faster rather then spending hours a day just to find a few keywords that don't even meet Carl's criteria completely.
            I did finally find a few, but it took a ton of time. Must have searched through thousands and thousands just to find a few.
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  • Profile picture of the author snakeyes37
    Okay,

    lets take an example keyword, quick many making ideas.

    SERP is 50,600, local search is 1,600 a month. SOC is 1,730 so it's way over. I you search for "quick money making ideas" in Google with SEO Quake you get the following results. This is the first 10 websites. Now, I'm a newbie to IM so theres probably more to competition then just PR and backlinks. So maybe someone with more knowledge could clarify, does the following below look like very strong competition?


    1. PR: 2 I: 657 L: 86 LD: 95 I: 48 Rank: 388843 Age: June 12, 2007 whois source Sitemap: yes Rank: 43318 Price: 24473

    2. PR: 0 I: 15 L: 0 LD: 0 I: 5 Rank: 8240089 Age: February 1, 2011 whois source Sitemap: no Rank: 1342049 Price: 346

    3. PR: 2 I: 651 L: 2 LD: 7 I: 25 Rank: 371158 Age: December 13, 2003 whois source Sitemap: no Rank: 347928 Price: 3393

    4. PR: n/a I: 255 L: 0 LD: 103 I: 70 Rank: 451184 Age: December 3, 2010 whois source Sitemap: no Rank: 420221 Price: 2163

    5. PR: n/a I: 35,400,000 L: 0 LD: 1541556 I: 558,000,000 Rank: 4 Age: December 2, 2005 whois source Sitemap: no Rank: 4 Price: 15739078

    6. PR: 0 I: 5,630 L: 0 LD: 2 I: 21 Rank: 1410012 Age: n/a whois source Sitemap: yes Rank: 1162985 Price: 316

    7. PR: 0 I: 32 L: 0 LD: 3 I: 1 Rank: 1936283 Age: April 14, 2008 whois source Sitemap: yes Rank: 2481052 Price: 138

    8. PR: 0 I: 2,550,000 L: 1 LD: 219605 I: 11,600,000 Rank: 311 Age: n/a whois source Sitemap: yes Rank: 2108 Price: 805005

    9. PR: 2 I: 110 L: 10 LD: 21 I: 60 Rank: 5833978 Age: August 22, 2007 whois source Sitemap: no Rank: 525639 Price: 1415
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  • Profile picture of the author spoiledkid01
    Criteria can fluctuate with the number of searches and Avg. CPC. Use google keyword contextual targeting tool to find Avg. CPC or use SEM RUSH.
    Use your own instinct on this, Make your own criteria test out things.
    And for those who are struggling to find niches. THINK OUT OF THE BOX. I was struggling once to find niches (you can check by reading my previous posts) but now i can find EMD's with Good Avg CPC with in half an hour and tons of them.
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    • Profile picture of the author Builder154
      Originally Posted by spoiledkid01 View Post

      Criteria can fluctuate with the number of searches and Avg. CPC. Use google keyword contextual targeting tool to find Avg. CPC or use SEM RUSH.
      Use your own instinct on this, Make your own criteria test out things.
      And for those who are struggling to find niches. THINK OUT OF THE BOX. I was struggling once to find niches (you can check by reading my previous posts) but now i can find EMD's with Good Avg CPC with in half an hour and tons of them.
      Well can you give us more advice than "think out of the box"? I'm sure we're all trying to do that but just not succeeding.
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      • Profile picture of the author spoiledkid01
        Originally Posted by Builder154 View Post

        Well can you give us more advice than "think out of the box"? I'm sure we're all trying to do that but just not succeeding.
        Advice is for FREE. But information NEVER :-p
        Use flipa or browse other forums where adsense sites are soled. Use that keyword in whatever tool you are using to find niche sites. Also consider how much the guy is making how is he making what Avg cpc and local monthly searches he is going for. Digg Digg and you will find a gold nugget for you.
        Or there are people who sell EMD's for money if you are not good at finding emd's but good at writing go to that root.
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  • Profile picture of the author seobuzz
    I always like to read these stories. And the process by which you go the success is quite simple also. Cheers~!
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  • Profile picture of the author marco005
    Hi,

    does google not knock me out, when I build 5,10,20 ore more micro niche sites with adsense, with same ip, domain owner, and so on????

    best wishes
    marco005
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  • Profile picture of the author codecreative
    one thing that carl fails to mention in his criteria is what cost per click he aims for... in mnf it shows that, 1000 globals + 2per click is surely the same 100globals + 20per click

    carl whats your critera for your cost per clicks?
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    • Profile picture of the author remodeler
      Originally Posted by codecreative View Post

      one thing that carl fails to mention in his criteria is what cost per click he aims for... in mnf it shows that, 1000 globals + 2per click is surely the same 100globals + 20per click

      carl whats your critera for your cost per clicks?
      He mentions CPC at $1.00 and up.
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  • Profile picture of the author codecreative
    Would you not say your MRP is a better measure aiming for a minimum of 30,000.00 ?
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  • Profile picture of the author oMaverick
    Yea, what he says is true. There is a program called Niche Profit Classroom 4.0. That teaches you exactly what he is saying.

    The NPC is probably the best internet business "hold your hand" and walk you through step-by-step program on the internet.

    I don't endorse that site for money but anyone that is reading this post should check it out and follow the steps in this post. NPC teaches exactly that and how to earn this passive income.

    Plus, they have a free trial period for 14 days. It's possible you could get at least 2-3 sites up by that time.
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  • Profile picture of the author karamarius
    Pretty Basic technique
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  • Profile picture of the author pioneer
    Hi Carl,
    Which gig are you using for social-bookmarking? can you share it plz?
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  • Profile picture of the author ZackStam
    Hi Carl
    I got very inspired of story and i hope you enjoy your work.
    I downloaded your free report.
    I started into the same direction (2 months ago) Adsense so it s well needed.
    Glad to see such stories.
    Thanks
    Zack
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  • Profile picture of the author TopBackBuilder
    You guys are making this too complicated, these tools are meant to give you a general idea. Use your EYES, if one of the sites on the top 10 is optimized for the keyword you want and it's an established website, then stay away, or battle. Your choice.

    PS don't let seo competition limit your choices, all that matters is top 10. OOPS I could of sold that secret for a bazillion dollars.
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    • Profile picture of the author T-shirtman
      Hi Carl from UK here also nice to see a success story from a guy from the UK and I wish you continued success.

      I run a couple of e commerce sites that are doing well but you have inspired me to have a go at this system I have a couple of questions for you if you dont mind.

      Do you add google analytics to every site?
      Do you add every site to google webmaster tools?
      Do you add tracking code to your add blocks so you know if a site is earning?

      I suspect you add the tracking code for the adds but if you dont add the other things for me not knowing the traffic on the site will be take some getting used to as I need this info with the sites I run now . Or am I missing some other tracking tools (how do you track your keywords?)

      Cheers
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  • Profile picture of the author sobbycv
    Yes its cool to make that much in short time
    best of luck
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  • Profile picture of the author marco005
    Hi,

    My noob questions notice:

    but Im a little bit confused about the search volume,many IM says look for niche keywords who has a search volume within 1000-2000 as example.

    Google tool shows us the search volume from adwords, who is 35% , the other 65% is google seo search volume. So for a key with 1000 search volume in adwords, the organic search volume is +65% , about 1650 search volumes local in month.

    But when you not rank on spot 1-3 (the first 1-3 are payed ads -the google gents program)

    Say spot Nr.4.5 on google first page, you get about 10-15% of that traffic from 1650, who is 165.

    With 165 users in month, you can not make 50-100$ every month with one micro niche site who has 10-20 pages, it's not possible.

    So an authorithy site would be make more money, so they have more keywords (in categories to rank for?

    An example:
    I have a niche with additional 10 keywords to build categories, with these 10 keywords I try to rank for.

    Make keyword research ,check competitors, backlinks, allintile, allinurl, for all these 10 keywords , so for this example of 165 users in month, with such 10 categories
    I can get 1650 users in month, so I make rather with this method 50-100$ every ,month with adsense?

    Is that right?
    But it's more to invest sofiverr gigs, for backlinks, sb backlinks for every categorie keyword I try to rank for, 10 categories x5$ are an 50$ investment.

    best wishes
    marco005
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  • Profile picture of the author spoofies
    After fiverr social bookmarking and UAW gigs, how long (on average) would it take for the site to hit the 1st page?

    Weeks?

    I am implementing this strategy right now, as soon as I finish a site I am moving on to the next. I have every step down, including the KW research, but I'm not sure I am doing the backlinking right. My sites seem to take a long time to hit the 1st page.
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  • Profile picture of the author drtops
    How did you do that?
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  • Profile picture of the author marco005
    Hi,

    ukcarl, what I don't understand by your method is, how to make 2000$ in month with adsense and a niche keyword with an low search volume from 1-2000?? Because I can not understand this mathematic....

    When you on spot Nr: 4-5 on google first page, you get around 10% from this search volume traffic, that is 200, to make 2000$ in month from 200 visitors??? Please help me to understand this.

    best wishes
    marco005
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  • Profile picture of the author Vic Shinoda
    Thank you for sharing. Hope I can get there too
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  • Profile picture of the author jimnastics
    Carl, have you been hit by UAW? There are some rumblings. I noticed one of your sites has disappeared from #3 on page 1, and is nowhere to be found. Need to no whether to ditch UAW and get my money back on the guarantee......
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  • Profile picture of the author marco005
    Hi,

    Now I understand, such a niche key with article marketing, syndication, and so on, brings maximum 50- 100 visitors a day and makes 30-90$ in month with adsense.

    Build 10 of suches micro sites and you make 300-900$ every month with adsense.

    best wishes
    marco005
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    • Profile picture of the author kickmoney
      Going after CPC on a keyword is fail.

      Once you've been doing this a while and have gotten clicks in all of the big area's...finance, health, web business etc...

      You know what to expect.

      "Research" on CPC using tools like Markey Samurai is nonsense.
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      • Profile picture of the author jimnastics
        Originally Posted by kickmoney View Post

        Going after CPC on a keyword is fail.

        Once you've been doing this a while and have gotten clicks in all of the big area's...finance, health, web business etc...

        You know what to expect.

        "Research" on CPC using tools like Markey Samurai is nonsense.
        Well could you explain a bit more then? Do you find average CPC to be higher or lower than reported on GKT etc?
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  • Profile picture of the author mediadeveloped
    Congrats man....always good to read a success story. Keep it up.
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  • Profile picture of the author GeeWhiz1
    Great post!, thanks for sharing this. Very inspirational to others. Congrats on your success!
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  • Profile picture of the author FokusNow
    Carl,

    With the blog networks taking a hit, Are you relying only on social bookmarking now?
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  • Profile picture of the author jimnastics
    Got a funny feeling Carl might have taken a big hit with the recent deindexing slaughter
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  • Profile picture of the author Jim1saxplayer
    This is a very interesting thread and very similar to what I am doing, except my keyword choices are usually the mid level competition words of under 300,000 competing pages. I don't go after the big key words, just long tail key words that won't take years to compete with. I can usually get some decent ranking with most of my key words within a few months, but also I usually try and ad a minimum of 5 posts worth of 500 to 1000 words of "quality" and "original" information. I'm thinking of giving Carl's idea a shot, but then once I find the gems, giving those sites more love and building them up more with additional pages. If you need more ideas, just find the LSI keywords for your main key word and write some good and original stuff on those subjects.

    Here are a couple of observations after reading through this thread.

    - If you can't find keywords, you must be looking in the wrongs places. I just did about an 20 mins worth of searches and found a long list of phrases that meet Carl's criteria? I find a couple on just about every phrase I search for, so if you are having issues, you are looking at very high competition words to start with. Instead, think of things that don't seem so big, as you will be surprised at how many searches might be out there for trivial subjects, and if it seems random to you, then it might to others so no one has discovered the phrase and it might be a gold mine waiting on you. As an example, don't go for "make money," terms as there are probably 10 million people trying to rank for any money making phrase you can think of. Instead, try typing in phrases regarding items you see in every day life that don't seem important.

    - I also keep reading about people getting in trouble with g**gle or worrying about adsense issues, and while I'm no expert on this matter, I can't imagine them shutting anyone off or penalizing someone because their site is small? After all, if you are providing quality data and information that people are searching for, then you are providing something of value! Obviously if you are taking short cuts or gaming things, then yes, it's very possible that you could lose your adsense account. Again, maybe g**gle really is vindictive and doesn't want you making money, but I just find that hard to believe since adsense is what made them one of the richest companies in the world! Create your site with quality content and provide people with what they are searching for and I think you will be OK. I would really like to see someone that got shut off for doing absolutely nothing wrong except monetizing a small niche site. If someone can prove it to me, I will believe it, but until then, stop worrying and start working. If you are that concerned about it, write to g**gle and ask them directly what their stance is on using adsense on micro sites for small traffic key words.

    In fact, I just did a search on some key words and looked at many of the first page sites. Many of them are very small, have adsense on them, yet they are ranking on the first page? That tells me that they aren't penalizing everyone for small micro type sites. My guess is those getting dinged are getting dinged for something else and maybe they don't even know that. If you use blackhat techniques, you will probably get in trouble and that is what is happening in most of these cases in my opinion. That's the reason Carl is going after these small niches to begin with, because he can rank faster without having to game things!

    Carl, would you mind commenting if you have had any recent issues with adsense on any of your sites, or if your sites are all still doing well in the eyes of g**gle?
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  • Profile picture of the author snakeyes37
    Did Carl disappear? I haven't seen him post here in awhile.
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  • Profile picture of the author Builder154
    So sure enough right when I'm just starting to move on Carl's strategy, this completely craziness with Google, which is being talked about in other threads, starts. People being de-indexed often seemingly randomly. People being banned from adsense suddenly that have been major players in this space for years. Things suddenly feel very up in the air, more so than usual.

    I think the biggest problem is it's dangerous to rely on adsense. But I have not found a lot of other ways to monetize that aren't junk. Like so many of the clickbank products and things, they're just spammy junk. BS weight loss strategies and so on, stuff you'd see on fake infomercials.

    I still want to make sites, but I feel like I need to be prepared to monetize in ways other than adsense and I really am not sure which ones can work great. I do know the options out there. I'm not asking for another list of them. I just feel none of them work quite as smoothly and easily as adsense. And they are very different because you really have to directly pick the products and believe in them instead of letting adsense do that for you.

    I'm wondering how Carl is doing too with the new Google stuff going on. I hope if anything happened he'll let us know. I'm sure we'd rather know the truth and would sympathize and be supportive.
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    • Profile picture of the author jimnastics
      Originally Posted by Builder154 View Post


      I'm wondering how Carl is doing too with the new Google stuff going on. I hope if anything happened he'll let us know. I'm sure we'd rather know the truth and would sympathize and be supportive.
      One of Carl's sites that I know disappeared a few days back has reappeared at it's previous place of #2 on page 1 this morning. So, hopefully, it's all good still
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  • Profile picture of the author ThatGuy1
    wow great post, I really appreciate the help! I plan on using a similar system!
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  • Profile picture of the author marco005
    Hi,

    it's sad but true, when you rank in first page, spot 3-6 (the 1-3 first are payed ads-the google gent program), you get 5-8% from thetraffic from your main keyword.

    When the main keyword in external tool has 1300 exact search volume, who is 35% from google and 65% is seo organic traffic, so this key will be get 2000-2500 organic search traffic volume.

    But when you get 5-8% of them that's 125-200 traffic in month! When you have a ctr from 5% you get 6-12 clicks with adsense in 1 month.

    That's not enough to make 500$ every month only with adsense or far away to make 50$ in month with such a micro niche site, that's my problem with these 1000-2000 exact search volume keywords.

    So I must build 100 sites to make 500$ every month with adsense ......

    maerco005
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    • Profile picture of the author ukcarl
      Originally Posted by jimnastics View Post

      Got a funny feeling Carl might have taken a big hit with the recent deindexing slaughter
      Hey jimnastics,

      To be honest I have been OK, I saw a bit of movement around the 16th with a few sites dropping sharply but since then they have all returned, some even improved

      I am certainly reviewing a few things at the minute, the strategy still works, but Im up to 60 sites now and thinking of starting to build out my winners it seems like the natural progression

      Originally Posted by snakeyes37 View Post

      Did Carl disappear? I haven't seen him post here in awhile.
      Still here just real busy

      Originally Posted by Builder154 View Post

      So sure enough right when I'm just starting to move on Carl's strategy, this completely craziness with Google, which is being talked about in other threads, starts. People being de-indexed often seemingly randomly. People being banned from adsense suddenly that have been major players in this space for years. Things suddenly feel very up in the air, more so than usual.

      I think the biggest problem is it's dangerous to rely on adsense. But I have not found a lot of other ways to monetize that aren't junk. Like so many of the clickbank products and things, they're just spammy junk. BS weight loss strategies and so on, stuff you'd see on fake infomercials.

      I still want to make sites, but I feel like I need to be prepared to monetize in ways other than adsense and I really am not sure which ones can work great. I do know the options out there. I'm not asking for another list of them. I just feel none of them work quite as smoothly and easily as adsense. And they are very different because you really have to directly pick the products and believe in them instead of letting adsense do that for you.

      I'm wondering how Carl is doing too with the new Google stuff going on. I hope if anything happened he'll let us know. I'm sure we'd rather know the truth and would sympathize and be supportive.
      Hey builder I'm still alive and kicking,

      I aim to be totally transparent with this technique so will let people know if I suffer badly with any updates.
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  • Profile picture of the author daweelmac
    Are you really going to keywords with 1000 exact search per month? If you don't mind, how much pageviews per site are you getting everyday?
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    • Profile picture of the author Jim1saxplayer
      Carl, can you clarify about how many submissions you are placing for the UAW portion of your plan? I'm trying to get a feel for how many article submissions I need to plan without over doing it, but yet getting enough. I'm assuming you have some standard number you are submitting, so would you share that number? Thanks!
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  • Profile picture of the author NicheSiteLab
    don't forget that even if the main keyword only gets 1000 searches a month, you still get traffic from other keywords and longtail variants.. so the numbers are almost always better.

    I've got sites with 1000 searches per month for the main keyword that get close to 50 visits a day being ranked 4th.


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  • Profile picture of the author marco005
    Hi,

    @NicheSiteLab, from wich other keyword variants I get additional traffic when I have a micro niche site with max. 10-20 pages (blogarticles- no catagories) ???

    best wishes
    marco005
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    • Profile picture of the author kajol shafiq
      Hi Carl,

      Haven't from you for a long time. I also have one question for you. I suppose I have already told you that my adsense earnings have been kept on hold becuse I am yet to get my adsense pincode which google have not sent me so far in spite of my sending 3 requests. Anyway, as things stand now, I am not really sure whether I am going to get my adsense code back or get banned. So, what I want to know from you is this, if that be the case, will I be able to earn as much as you are earning with adsense by promoting affiliate products in my site but following exactly your method, ranging from keyword research to fiverr gig and UAW campaign.

      Thanks in advance.
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  • Profile picture of the author TryBPO
    I see quite a few people in the last couple pages of this thread that are struggling to find keywords that meet the criteria for niche AdSense sites. That's surprising to me...in the last 16-17 months we've found over 11,000 exact match domains that meet our criteria exactly.

    We just created our niche site guide and we walk through this, but heres a tip:

    Many people will tell you to look for keywords that get 1,000 exact match (local) searches and a $1.00 cpc or better with the GKT, right? Try making a formula:

    Exact match X CPC X .01 = Value

    Now, this doesn't tell you how much the site is going to make, but it does give you an objective number you can use to compare potential value from site to site. Here's the trick...if you base your minimums on that value instead of exact match search, you'll find some hidden gems others won't find.

    For example, 720 exact matches at a $3.00 cpc gives a potential value of $21.60. That's BETTER than 1,000 exact match searches at $1.00, right? ($10.00)

    I'd also add that the real trick (I think) is not finding keywords and available domains that meet that criteria...it's finding keywords with all the OBJECTIVE criteria that also meet the SUBJECTIVE criteria of determining whether you'll be able to get ranked on the first page. We cover this and a bit more, but hope that at least helps you find more keywords initially!
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    • Profile picture of the author spoofies
      After social bookmarking and article blast, how long does it take for you to rank within the top 1-2 pages?

      Thanks.
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    • Profile picture of the author snakeyes37
      Originally Posted by TryBPO View Post

      I see quite a few people in the last couple pages of this thread that are struggling to find keywords that meet the criteria for niche AdSense sites. That's surprising to me...in the last 16-17 months we've found over 11,000 exact match domains that meet our criteria exactly.

      We just created our niche site guide and we walk through this, but heres a tip:

      Many people will tell you to look for keywords that get 1,000 exact match (local) searches and a $1.00 cpc or better with the GKT, right? Try making a formula:

      Exact match X CPC X .01 = Value

      Now, this doesn't tell you how much the site is going to make, but it does give you an objective number you can use to compare potential value from site to site. Here's the trick...if you base your minimums on that value instead of exact match search, you'll find some hidden gems others won't find.

      For example, 720 exact matches at a $3.00 cpc gives a potential value of $21.60. That's BETTER than 1,000 exact match searches at $1.00, right? ($10.00)

      I'd also add that the real trick (I think) is not finding keywords and available domains that meet that criteria...it's finding keywords with all the OBJECTIVE criteria that also meet the SUBJECTIVE criteria of determining whether you'll be able to get ranked on the first page. We cover this and a bit more, but hope that at least helps you find more keywords initially!

      That's surprising, I've tried searching for main keywords and long tail with not much luck. I'm really starting to doubt MNF's SOC numbers from what I've read on other threads here and on other forums. The parameters they use to search for competition is very narrow.
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    • Profile picture of the author codecreative
      Originally Posted by TryBPO View Post

      I see quite a few people in the last couple pages of this thread that are struggling to find keywords that meet the criteria for niche AdSense sites. That's surprising to me...in the last 16-17 months we've found over 11,000 exact match domains that meet our criteria exactly.

      We just created our niche site guide and we walk through this, but heres a tip:

      Many people will tell you to look for keywords that get 1,000 exact match (local) searches and a $1.00 cpc or better with the GKT, right? Try making a formula:

      Exact match X CPC X .01 = Value

      Now, this doesn't tell you how much the site is going to make, but it does give you an objective number you can use to compare potential value from site to site. Here's the trick...if you base your minimums on that value instead of exact match search, you'll find some hidden gems others won't find.

      For example, 720 exact matches at a $3.00 cpc gives a potential value of $21.60. That's BETTER than 1,000 exact match searches at $1.00, right? ($10.00)

      I'd also add that the real trick (I think) is not finding keywords and available domains that meet that criteria...it's finding keywords with all the OBJECTIVE criteria that also meet the SUBJECTIVE criteria of determining whether you'll be able to get ranked on the first page. We cover this and a bit more, but hope that at least helps you find more keywords initially!
      I agree with this. The great thing about Micro Niche Finder is it already works this out for you and shows you it in the results. There is a column called MRP (Monthly Revenue Potential) and I have a figure I aim for. So at a glance I can see if its worth my pursuit or not. In addition I don't take huge notice to the measure of backlinks anymore as we know not all backlinks are the same. I think SOC is the best indicator to go off as it shows who has the keyphrase in the meta title and description, and if your going for kw's with very low soc i dont think it matters a great deal if you have your articles published off your domain for example domain.com/yourkeyword/ as opposed to keyword.com keywords use your keywords to GO direct to web pages and files.. Sure the emd is better but if your soc is low and no one has a emd its not that important from my testing and trial running so far
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  • Profile picture of the author marco005
    Hi.

    @TryBPO, thanks for your information about this, what you will show us are named
    the "low earning fruits", to make googd money with less search volumes.

    PS:I now have the MS, I think with this it's easier for me to find niches, which of these parameters MS show are most important;SEOT, PBR, SEOC,SEOTC,SEOTCR, SEOV????



    best wishes
    marco005
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  • Profile picture of the author TryBPO
    Quick question for the MNF users out there...

    Are they pulling FRESH data from the Google Keyword Tool or is it cached? If it's cached and a TON of other IMers are using it, you might find it more difficult to find available keywords and domains because the competition is snatching it up.

    Tools like MarketSamurai and LongTailPro pull fresh data, but I know that SECockpit and potentially others used cached data. (The SECockpit guys have said they refresh often...but I thought it was a slight problem when we were testing it out)
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    • Profile picture of the author ukcarl
      Originally Posted by kajol shafiq View Post

      Hi Carl,

      Haven't from you for a long time. I also have one question for you. I suppose I have already told you that my adsense earnings have been kept on hold becuse I am yet to get my adsense pincode which google have not sent me so far in spite of my sending 3 requests. Anyway, as things stand now, I am not really sure whether I am going to get my adsense code back or get banned. So, what I want to know from you is this, if that be the case, will I be able to earn as much as you are earning with adsense by promoting affiliate products in my site but following exactly your method, ranging from keyword research to fiverr gig and UAW campaign.

      Thanks in advance.
      Yes this process definitely works for affiliate stuff too

      Originally Posted by TryBPO View Post

      I see quite a few people in the last couple pages of this thread that are struggling to find keywords that meet the criteria for niche AdSense sites. That's surprising to me...in the last 16-17 months we've found over 11,000 exact match domains that meet our criteria exactly.

      We just created our niche site guide and we walk through this, but heres a tip:

      Many people will tell you to look for keywords that get 1,000 exact match (local) searches and a $1.00 cpc or better with the GKT, right? Try making a formula:

      Exact match X CPC X .01 = Value

      Now, this doesn't tell you how much the site is going to make, but it does give you an objective number you can use to compare potential value from site to site. Here's the trick...if you base your minimums on that value instead of exact match search, you'll find some hidden gems others won't find.

      For example, 720 exact matches at a $3.00 cpc gives a potential value of $21.60. That's BETTER than 1,000 exact match searches at $1.00, right? ($10.00)

      I'd also add that the real trick (I think) is not finding keywords and available domains that meet that criteria...it's finding keywords with all the OBJECTIVE criteria that also meet the SUBJECTIVE criteria of determining whether you'll be able to get ranked on the first page. We cover this and a bit more, but hope that at least helps you find more keywords initially!
      Totally agree, I usually filter keywords over 500, in fact my most profitable keyword to date in MNF gets 320 searches a month, it actually ended up being a trending topic which has become very popular, it now gets about 200 searches a day and really high CPC's. But the reason I chose it was because in the tool it had average CPC of around $4.50

      Originally Posted by TryBPO View Post

      Quick question for the MNF users out there...

      Are they pulling FRESH data from the Google Keyword Tool or is it cached? If it's cached and a TON of other IMers are using it, you might find it more difficult to find available keywords and domains because the competition is snatching it up.

      Tools like MarketSamurai and LongTailPro pull fresh data, but I know that SECockpit and potentially others used cached data. (The SECockpit guys have said they refresh often...but I thought it was a slight problem when we were testing it out)
      Im pretty sure its fresh the tool is desktop based just like MS and LTP (I have used/owned both) and it logs in to your Adwords account to use the keyword tool so it must be
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  • Profile picture of the author marco005
    Hi,

    @TryBPO,

    do you check the number of competition for your keyword in qoutes or not?
    example: "mykeyword" ???

    what is the ideal number for an niche search by allintitle,allinurl and allinanchor?
    15.000 or many lesser????

    best wishes
    marco005
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  • Profile picture of the author postwood19
    i think adsense market is bless only for seo expert. u got more visitor to more money.
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  • Profile picture of the author adam2526
    Great post, its what makes this forum great when people decide to post stuff like this, especially for the noobs out there who can frustrated when having offers not work out, Its good to say optomistic and test test test. Thanks for the share
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  • Profile picture of the author marco005
    Hi,

    now I think have found 3 niche keywords.

    niche 1 has 1000 search volume cpc (kontext target tool) 1,26

    niche 2 has 480 search volume, cpc 1,94

    niche 3 has 1600 search volume, cpc 1,11

    So I must check these with seo quake too, but think I cant outrank spot number 3-6 on first page, these competitors has less backlinks under 100.

    With this spots on first page, the seo traffic is higher than the exact search volume in external tool (shows only 35% of the traffic) so traffic is doubled.

    When I get 50% from this traffic I will make with the formula from TryBPO, with 68% payout from google adsense;

    and a ctr say 5%;

    niche 1 (2000 searches seo traffic) 50%= 1000, I will make 1000x0,85x0,1= 85,68$
    ctr 5% = 50x0,85x0,1 =4,25$

    niche 2 (960 seo traffic) 50% from the traffic= 480x 1,31x0,1 =61,88$
    ctr 5%= 25x1,31x 0,1 =3,27$

    niche 3 (3200 seo traffic) 50% from this traffic= 1600x 0,75x0,1= 120$
    ctr 5%= 80x 0,75x 0,1= 6$


    So I will make only 13,52$ in month with three micro sites????????????
    Yup, so I must build 100's of them......

    In this example I have doubled the exact search volume from external tool who is shows onlx 35%, the rest 65% is seo traffic, so it is easier to calculate with the doubled traffic.


    marco005
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    • Profile picture of the author ukcarl
      Originally Posted by marco005 View Post

      Hi,

      now I think have found 3 niche keywords.

      niche 1 has 1000 search volume cpc (kontext target tool) 1,26

      niche 2 has 480 search volume, cpc 1,94

      niche 3 has 1600 search volume, cpc 1,11

      So I must check these with seo quake too, but think I cant outrank spot number 3-6 on first page, these competitors has less backlinks under 100.

      With this spots on first page, the seo traffic is higher than the exact search volume in external tool (shows only 35% of the traffic) so traffic is doubled.

      When I get 50% from this traffic I will make with the formula from TryBPO, with 68% payout from google adsense;

      and a ctr say 5%;

      niche 1 (2000 searches seo traffic) 50%= 1000, I will make 1000x0,85x0,1= 85,68$
      ctr 5% = 50x0,85x0,1 =4,25$

      niche 2 (960 seo traffic) 50% from the traffic= 480x 1,31x0,1 =61,88$
      ctr 5%= 25x1,31x 0,1 =3,27$

      niche 3 (3200 seo traffic) 50% from this traffic= 1600x 0,75x0,1= 120$
      ctr 5%= 80x 0,75x 0,1= 6$


      So I will make only 13,52$ in month with three micro sites????????????
      Yup, so I must build 100's of them......

      In this example I have doubled the exact search volume from external tool who is shows onlx 35%, the rest 65% is seo traffic, so it is easier to calculate with the doubled traffic.


      marco005
      The way I work it out is real simple below I explain how I work out what a site potential is in position 1 (just as a guide):
      • CPC for display (Adsense) is on average is 80% of search
      • Google pays 68% to publishers
      • first position gets 40% of traffic
      • My sites on average with good content get 2 page views per unique visitor.
      • For arguments sake 5% CTR
      So a keyword with 1000 searches and $1 CPC in the keyword tool would go something like:


      $1 X 0.8 = $0.80 X 0.68 (Revenue share) = $0.54



      1000 searches X 40% (Position 1) X 2 (Avg page views) = 800


      800 x 0.05 (CTR) = 40 (Clicks)


      40 (clicks) X $0.54 = $21.60/Month
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  • Profile picture of the author marco005
    Hi,

    Ah! ukcarl, I have understand, sorry I was a bit complicated........ making
    too many thoughts ...


    marco005
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  • Profile picture of the author marco005
    Hi,

    @TryBPO, awesome, your are in big business with this model!

    Please excuse my noob questions;

    so for an adsense niche mini site business, must the 3-5 articles/pages that I add to my domain written high top notch, or is normal native english written enough?

    Must my pages only 100% uniqueness, or is 50% uniqueness enough?

    Are informative sites the same value similiar to product review pages? ( I can better write informative sites than product reviews)- so like a mini informative site about;
    "aging and skincare" or so, or must it only product reviews so like in xfactor?

    best wishes
    marco005
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    • Profile picture of the author Marko Radulovic
      Hi again.

      New update.

      New site using Carl's method is now slot 12 in google for its main keyword term, and slot 25 for another related term I didn't exactly target. Its been a little over 2 weeks since launch, and more backlinks being built.

      A question for the warriors here - I've been looking for other LSI and related keyword terms that are scoring very favorably in MNF and look to have very low competition.

      Should I start a new site in that same niche, or simply create an article laser targetted for that particular term and build backlinks to it?

      Thanks
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      • Profile picture of the author ukcarl
        Originally Posted by Marko Radulovic View Post

        Hi again.

        New update.

        New site using Carl's method is now slot 12 in google for its main keyword term, and slot 25 for another related term I didn't exactly target. Its been a little over 2 weeks since launch, and more backlinks being built.

        A question for the warriors here - I've been looking for other LSI and related keyword terms that are scoring very favorably in MNF and look to have very low competition.

        Should I start a new site in that same niche, or simply create an article laser targetted for that particular term and build backlinks to it?

        Thanks
        Congrats on your success so far Marko, in regards to your other keywords with potential I suppose its really up to you, you could build more micro sites or build your site out, both are viable options and neither is the wrong answer.

        What I will say is I tend to wait till a site starts making money before I build it out, that way you aren't spending a lot of time and money building out a site that wont make you much money thats how I make the decision.
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        • Profile picture of the author Marko Radulovic
          Thanks Carl.

          Are you noticing a dip in your sites? Google had a nasty algo update.

          My main keyword for my most profitable site took a plunge in rankings today - yesterday was my most profitable day yet, and today's income is 0$. I'm still ranking for a few smaller keywords and drawing in some long tail traffic, but this hurts like hell.

          Gonna watch and see if it returns to where it was. The site hit slot #3 yesterday with quite a bit of traffic, and is now springing between 22 and 42.
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  • Profile picture of the author snakeyes37
    Carl, I know that you filter any CPC less then $1. But do you only go for keywords that have higher CPC's? I find that keywords with a high CPC of like $2 or higher tend to have strong competition.
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    • Profile picture of the author ukcarl
      Originally Posted by Marko Radulovic View Post

      Thanks Carl.

      Are you noticing a dip in your sites? Google had a nasty algo update.

      My main keyword for my most profitable site took a plunge in rankings today - yesterday was my most profitable day yet, and today's income is 0$. I'm still ranking for a few smaller keywords and drawing in some long tail traffic, but this hurts like hell.

      Gonna watch and see if it returns to where it was. The site hit slot #3 yesterday with quite a bit of traffic, and is now springing between 22 and 42.
      I saw a dip around the 16th quite a few sites dipped but everything is back to normal now

      Originally Posted by snakeyes37 View Post

      Carl, I know that you filter any CPC less then $1. But do you only go for keywords that have higher CPC's? I find that keywords with a high CPC of like $2 or higher tend to have strong competition.
      I would go lower if I could find more volume so if something gets 2000 exact searches for example, I might drop to $0.50, in the same way if something has 500 searches and $2 CPC I will also give this a go
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  • Profile picture of the author patch1308
    Hey Carl, how are your rankings? All of my micro niche sites got tanked overnight! It seems like there's been an update targeting spammy sites using article submissions and spun content for backlinking (which I have used via fiverr).
    However it's really messed up SERPs, there are some strange results returning for some of my searches
    Hope you've managed to escape this latest purge by the big G.

    Cheers, Paul
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  • Profile picture of the author marco005
    Hi,

    my noob question
    @ukcarl and TryBPO:

    you try to rank for product keywords like; treadmilltr200i or so as an example.

    or "affiliate training courses" this is another buyer keyword too.

    So it's not better to build affiliate micro sites with these keywords than with adsense?

    When you promote affilliate training courses products as an affiliate, your income will be more higher than with adsense.

    It's not better I build micro affiliate niche sites with such buyer keywords?????

    best wishes
    marco005
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  • Profile picture of the author Builder154
    And yet again Google throws everything into the air right when I'm bearing down and working on building these sites. No idea what to do now.
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  • Profile picture of the author madison75074
    Congrats on your success. You seemed to have found your way rather quickly. I think it was almost 2 years before I started making real money on line. It has been a "painful" education!
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  • Profile picture of the author tdj
    Hey Carl,

    Do you have any ideas or strategies to keep your bounce rate down? Seems it is a fairly important factor in ranking sites. Thanks Carl. I know you really want them to click on the ads but seems google wants them to stay on your page for a bit. I always heard some of the better adsense sites with higher CTR had poorly written content.

    Todd
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    • Profile picture of the author ukcarl
      Originally Posted by tdj View Post

      Hey Carl,

      Do you have any ideas or strategies to keep your bounce rate down? Seems it is a fairly important factor in ranking sites. Thanks Carl. I know you really want them to click on the ads but seems google wants them to stay on your page for a bit. I always heard some of the better adsense sites with higher CTR had poorly written content.

      Todd
      Yeah so I just make sure the content is relevant and useful, then I will link to other articles from the bottom of posts my bounce rate on average is under 40% and usually get on average 2+ page views per visit
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  • Profile picture of the author snakeyes37
    I'm considering using a very good backlink/social bookmark building service on here instead of using UAW. I wonder what my results would be like.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jim1saxplayer
    I was just curious as to how others came out after the most recent google change. A couple of my sites shot up, while most tanked, only to come back a bit stronger than before, so it was a strange update for sure. I think this only further proves that a micro site is not a problem as long as your information is quality data and you are doing things per the google book.

    Again, I would appreciate hearing from others as to how they fared, as I was a little nervous at first, but now it seems all is OK again.
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    • Profile picture of the author Builder154
      Originally Posted by Jim1saxplayer View Post

      I was just curious as to how others came out after the most recent google change. A couple of my sites shot up, while most tanked, only to come back a bit stronger than before, so it was a strange update for sure. I think this only further proves that a micro site is not a problem as long as your information is quality data and you are doing things per the google book.

      Again, I would appreciate hearing from others as to how they fared, as I was a little nervous at first, but now it seems all is OK again.
      Similar to you Jim. The other night my first test site using Carl's method tanked and I was really upset and unsure if I should keep going. Then it came back a slot higher than before.
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  • Profile picture of the author fraakz
    @UKCarl could you post the links to Fiverr Gigs that helped you attain top rankings
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    • Profile picture of the author inter123
      The OP talks of UAW, I'd like to know if sites that used this bit of software got hit with the Google Penguin updates. I was just about to start using UAW again after giving it a miss for a long time, it is no point using this backlink strategy if now redudant.
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      • Profile picture of the author CatherineMay
        Originally Posted by inter123 View Post

        The OP talks of UAW, I'd like to know if sites that used this bit of software got hit with the Google Penguin updates. I was just about to start using UAW again after giving it a miss for a long time, it is no point using this backlink strategy if now redudant.
        I'm also wondering about UAW and if UKCarl is still using this software.


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        • Profile picture of the author NaturalHealing
          One of my sites was penalized. I had another site I had deep linked to with UAW articles. It was at the bottom of page one and climbing for those words. Now, that page is no longer to be found.

          I'm not sure I would use any anchor text right now. If you just use your domain name or address, you should not be penalized, I think.
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  • Profile picture of the author marco005
    Hi,

    I look for an good english writer 500 words for 3-4$, I hope such a writer is serious enough, I start with a small thin budget.

    best wishes
    marco005
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  • Profile picture of the author bkat52
    haha carl, thanks man. I just started this method a little bit ago and made my first dollars last weekend. so lets see... only about 2000 sites to go

    edit: by the way, not poking fun at your method. i think you're doing an awesome job here on the forum letting us all in on your strategy
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  • Profile picture of the author dustindustin
    nutricious posting, very healthy indeed
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  • Profile picture of the author marco005
    Hi

    @ukcarl,

    in the moment I only find niche keys with around 700-800 search volume in google external tool, I think this is only the 35% adwords traffic, this search volume will be higher when it come to the organic search who has 65% this will be not shown in external tool.

    My question to you ukcarl:

    For the niche key I have found this websites are on the first places in google;

    one with a verybroad key but not the same EMD
    forums2
    slideshare.net
    reference.com
    doityourself.com
    dailymotion.com

    so, does I outrank this big forums,magazine sites, when I have a very specific niche site with EMD in domain and only 30-50 social bookmark links????????

    best wishes
    marco005
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    Great site! keep up the good work
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  • Profile picture of the author lazydaisy
    Hi Carl, You mentioned earlier in this thread that you submit to social bookamrks using fiverr and then you submit a 300 word article to UAW. Is that all you do and then move on to another site or do you keep submitting articles to UAW for that site till it reaches high rankings?

    Thank you
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  • Profile picture of the author HigherPrThanGod
    Time for marketers to put millions into their own search engine.

    I officially promote DuckDuckGo
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  • Profile picture of the author fiberoptic
    I guess it's about time for me to put together a few adsense sites.

    Would it be more beneficial to buy aged domains with a PR 2+ from GoDaddy auctions? I would assume that targeting a low competition keyword with a PR3 domain would produce better results than a domain that's brand new.
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  • Profile picture of the author bkgroup
    Woww.....
    Congrats man.
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  • Profile picture of the author marco005
    Folks, please.....

    are such sites easy to outbeat with ukcarls method;

    one with a verybroad key but not the same EMD
    forums2
    slideshare.net
    reference.com
    doityourself.com
    dailymotion.com

    easy to outbeat or should I search for another niche keyword??????????????

    best wishes
    marco005
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  • Profile picture of the author Mosa
    Great to read about your success! We're actually seeing some very similar exponential growth rate with our sites. It really is a great feeling!
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  • Profile picture of the author marco005
    Hi,

    what is the best seotc score? intitle:"keyword" + inurl:"keyword" + inanchor:"keyword"

    10.000?

    5000?

    lesser than 5000??????

    best wish marco005
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  • Profile picture of the author Chris-
    Congrats on your success! Great inspiration


    Chris
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  • Profile picture of the author clarajames
    I want to start my own business but I am still searchig a unique idea which will boost my business in quick time. Can anyone suggest me any good idea?
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  • Profile picture of the author marco005
    Hi,

    I have found 4 niche keywords ( don't use software like MNF or some) I have found it by manually search.

    soc= intitle:"keyword" + inurl:"keyword" + inanchor:"keyword"

    1. niche key shows 54.000 google results (in quotes) , 1000 search volume, soc: 5460

    2. niche key has: 64.400 google results, 720 search volume, soc: 5220

    3. niche key has (insurance niche): 139.000 google results, 2900 search volume,
    soc: 2840

    4. niche key has; 125.000 google results, 1300 search volume, soc: 1670

    Now I must check the competitors on google first page, has they low-zero PR? less backlinks (not more than 100), not the emd domain?

    When yes, I will give this niches a try, especially the insurance niche...........

    What do you think about?

    best wishes
    marco005
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    • Profile picture of the author spoiledkid01
      Originally Posted by marco005 View Post

      Hi,

      I have found 4 niche keywords ( don't use software like MNF or some) I have found it by manually search.

      soc= intitle:"keyword" + inurl:"keyword" + inanchor:"keyword"

      1. niche key shows 54.000 google results (in quotes) , 1000 search volume, soc: 5460

      2. niche key has: 64.400 google results, 720 search volume, soc: 5220

      3. niche key has (insurance niche): 139.000 google results, 2900 search volume,
      soc: 2840

      4. niche key has; 125.000 google results, 1300 search volume, soc: 1670

      Now I must check the competitors on google first page, has they low-zero PR? less backlinks (not more than 100), not the emd domain?

      When yes, I will give this niches a try, especially the insurance niche...........

      What do you think about?

      best wishes
      marco005
      Do not miss the CPC. Check it through SEMRUSH.
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  • Profile picture of the author marco005
    Hi,

    yes I will check the cpc, with google kontextual target tool and spyfu, so for meit's hard to find niches, but I can build every month 3-5 niche sites, so in 2 years I have about 150-200 such niche sites.

    150-200 niche sites must bring a good income I think......


    best wishes
    marco005
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    Very inspiring writing.
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  • Profile picture of the author maxjpip
    Nice one Carl, after I tested soooo many seo, I come back to article marketing.
    and while I was confusing about it, I read your post. Now I can focus on AM & SB, the old way always works.

    And I saw you talking about new linkbulding techniques cause google is doing its magic. Hope you can share what you find in the future.

    This is excited and I hope I can make at lease $1000 in MAY. (or $500) using the basic backlinking skills.
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  • Profile picture of the author NicheSiteLab
    Originally Posted by Matthieu Miser

    Is there a way to do the micro niche finder part by hand if i don't want to spend money on it?
    my free ebook shows methods of performing keyword research without mnf. so far I've been very successful without it, things just take a bit longer..


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  • Profile picture of the author codecreative
    how accurate is the cpc?

    My friend here is discussing insurance, if he goes for a longtail keyword won't he still get paid the cpc of the short tail if the content of his article is about the short tail. Since ads are displayed relevant to your content not the keywords your optimising the page for
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    • Profile picture of the author DonDavis
      Originally Posted by codecreative View Post

      how accurate is the cpc?

      Since ads are displayed relevant to your content not the keywords your optimising the page for
      This is the part of the Adsense equation that you don't see people talking about. To answer your question, if Google is ranking your page according to your longtail keyword phrases, then that is what they think your page is about and that is likely the keyword phrase that will trigger your ads.

      But in my opinion you should also be building pages based around the higher competition / higher paying keywords. You will be using the longtails to rank and draw the traffic. But who says that those visitors have to be clicking the ads on the lower paying keywords. Maybe they will end up going to one of your pages that is built around a higher paying keyword and clicking on that ad instead.

      So I think it is smart to build pages around the easier longtails, but to also build pages based on the premium keywords and hope for a few clicks on those as well. In fact if you are smart about it, you can even design your site so that you push your visitors towards those higher paying pages.
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  • Profile picture of the author marco005
    Hi,

    ukcarl, does you make your ads stand out or blend in?
    I think ads stand out becomes far a higher ctr than blend in ads, they will be to easy to ignore.

    marco005
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  • Profile picture of the author inazuman
    wow that iss a great strategy, Thanks for your inspiring post!
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  • Profile picture of the author codecreative
    Hi Karl

    What your thoughts on this. Is it better to publish your content as a post or as a page??

    I'm thinking post as your h1 headers are repeated and thats ok if it has a reason to be matt cutts said and in wordpress it has. Do you think though if you expand your site to an authoritive site posts are the best way still to go. hmmm
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  • Profile picture of the author Ctscott860
    wow this thread is slowing down unfortunately...
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    • Profile picture of the author Marko Radulovic
      I'll update, then

      I have a few sites built using carl's method.

      The first one is stuck on slots 11-13 and won't budge. Its about 1 month old.

      Another is brand new, a few days old, and is around 26-27.

      Very low traffic, 500-800 or so, with good cpc. But not page 1 yet.

      I've been wary about link building too much. The newest site, at 26/27, has no links pointing to it yet.

      Do sites gain rank over time, or only as more backlinks are indexed? Should I just wait out the 11-13 site, or do more aggressive linking?
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  • Profile picture of the author DonDavis
    In my opinion, when you are building sites based on low competition keywords, it is important to realize that you are still going to experience a fairly high failure rate. Some sites rank while others don't. That's just the way it goes. You must build a high volume of sites in order to achieve any degree of a substantial income. In other words, it's the proverbial numbers game.

    When a site flops, you then have the option of giving it a push with backlinking etc, or you can let it sit and possibly creep up the ranks, or in many cases you can sell it for about what you have in it. My experience is that if a site if going to rank using this method, it is going to do so rather quickly though.
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  • Profile picture of the author Innovator3
    So many responses, so many opinions, so little time to read them all.

    There are so many methods to make money online, the question is who else is taking action and how much do you have to work it before having to figure out the next thing to do.

    Because I wonder how sustainable some of these practices are. A lot of them seem very short-term and very churn and burn.

    This is coming from someone who uses SBI and has been working on the same website for the past 2 years and has finally gotten enough traffic to make some money with adsense and is considering selling/promoting their own product and trying to collect emails for a list.

    Would love to hear other people's thoughts on what I just brought up.
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    • Profile picture of the author Marko Radulovic
      The first site I created when I started adsense was making about 10+ dollars a day before the Penguin crash, and I am working on getting that back.

      I've not nearly replicated that success yet. 10 sites like that and I'm golden, heh.

      It took 3 months, and was at 2 dollars a day until shortly before the Penguin update, when the new panda shot me up for a competitive, high cpc kw.
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  • Profile picture of the author blitzful
    Hello Carl,

    If I purchase a CTR theme, can I use it over and over again? I'm new to buying wordpress themes. I probably sound dumb here, but I have been told that there is never a dumb question.

    Inspiring article, though.

    Thanks.

    blitzful
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    • Profile picture of the author Captain_Morgan
      Originally Posted by blitzful View Post

      Hello Carl,

      If I purchase a CTR theme, can I use it over and over again? I'm new to buying wordpress themes. I probably sound dumb here, but I have been told that there is never a dumb question.

      Inspiring article, though.

      Thanks.

      blitzful
      Yes u can use it on unlimited domains u have!!!
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  • Profile picture of the author TheDollar
    Thanks for sharing, really cool story! I love hearing these success stories as they really motivate you to start taking action.
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    • Profile picture of the author TopBackBuilder
      Hey, little update.

      I now have 15 niche sites up and I'm just pressing forward.

      I started march 16 and didn't start my 15 sites a month plan until half of april. Not really any results yet, but I wouldn't expect there to be.
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  • Profile picture of the author marco005
    Hi,

    my noob question;

    When I found a niche keyword,who every competitors on google page 1 has only the keyword in the sub folder,example like this; latex fashion niche, competitors are all have this;

    www.fashionlike.com/latex-fashion
    trendfashion.com...

    and so on, you know what I mean.

    Backlinkwatch shows no backlink report for such sites with sub folder.

    Should I take this keyword with emd domain? Can I outrank these competitors fast with ukcarl's method?

    best wishes
    marco005
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  • Profile picture of the author Builder154
    Carl,

    Where are the March and April income reports on your blog?
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    • Profile picture of the author striding cloud
      Originally Posted by Builder154 View Post

      Carl,

      Where are the March and April income reports on your blog?
      Yes , any update ?
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    • Profile picture of the author remodeler
      Originally Posted by Builder154 View Post

      Carl,

      Where are the March and April income reports on your blog?
      Perhaps the penguins and pandas caught up to him and took out his sites. Hope not but he hasn't posted for a couple of weeks. Carl, are you doing ok?
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  • Profile picture of the author saarbel
    Hey carl, any recommadition for fiverr gigs you already used ?
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    • Profile picture of the author sonic74
      Thanks Carl, for this inspired post and your detailed method !

      I just developed my method for link building......it's almost automated !

      I have a small batch of niche sites, but now it's time to scale it up and add a lot more sites !
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        almost automated???
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        • Profile picture of the author sonic74
          Originally Posted by jonrpatrick View Post

          almost automated???
          yeah, for social bookmarks I'm using social bookmarks exchange services like socialadr,lavalinks once you set up your accounts it requires just one click to exchange bookmarks !
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  • Profile picture of the author karoubalou
    Hi thanks for this strategy and your advice.
    I struggle a lot and I cannot get money yet. I haven't used that method for the moment. I am wondering if it is risky to outsource all that in fiverr? How do you choose the profile?
    Do you have the UAW or do you outsource that part? Because I think this is an extra cost per month. I am not sure if the tool has a monthly charge...
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  • Profile picture of the author paulwro
    Very simple, the main thing is, just do one project everyday then you will get results.
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  • Profile picture of the author antobrasta
    Just read this thread,....very inspiring me,.....especially how to get success by directly action. Thanks a lot buddy,....
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  • Profile picture of the author marco005
    Hi,

    for me it's very hard to find niche keywords with an soc under 100
    (inanchor:"mynichekeyword" intitle:"mynichekeyword" inurl:"mynichekeyword"

    so example; pink cat collars and many many more of such keywords have far far more than soc of 100 and a domain is not availaible.

    I will outsource this, I don't find sich micro niche keywords.

    best wishes
    marco005
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    • Profile picture of the author Builder154
      Originally Posted by marco005 View Post

      Hi,

      for me it's very hard to find niche keywords with an soc under 100
      (inanchor:"mynichekeyword" intitle:"mynichekeyword" inurl:"mynichekeyword"

      so example; pink cat collars and many many more of such keywords have far far more than soc of 100 and a domain is not availaible.

      I will outsource this, I don't find sich micro niche keywords.

      best wishes
      marco005
      I still have this problem too. The keywords with reasonable traffic and competition with under 100 SOC I find extremely few and far between. Still no clue how Carl found 50 of them. I'm struggling to find maybe 10 in weeks of searching.
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      • Profile picture of the author Builder154
        Another question.

        I've now built 3 sites with Carl's method. They have been up a couple to three weeks basically. Two are now in the top 10 for their main keyword, actually both in the top 7. But still very very little traffic.

        I'm wondering if this is normal and traffic will still probably increase over the next couple months as more long tail phrases get ranked and so on. Or is it already enough time with little microniche sites like this to say they probably won't do well?

        Do you often see a lot of increasing traffic even after a couple weeks already in the top 10 for your main keyword even when you're just leaving the sites alone at that point and building new ones?
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  • Profile picture of the author NewYorkerRocks
    I am quite impressed from your post. It is very well written and it is a very good strategy. Some people fear adsense sites though bec google has cracked down on a lot of adsense sites. But i am happy that its working for you.
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  • Profile picture of the author YemTv
    Congrts Man,keep it up
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    The Ultimate Sophistication...
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  • Profile picture of the author Marko Radulovic
    Two new sites I made with this method are now on page 1. 1 is on slot 10, the other slot 7. Traffic is small atm. I imagine it would grow with long tail traffic. If the site isn't getting traffic on page one, the trickle of traffic will probably stay the same, I think.

    Im hoping to knock them up a few slots soon.
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  • Profile picture of the author itmoamun
    You now have ?? site
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  • Profile picture of the author Rache
    Congratulations, it really takes a good amount of time, constant practice, testing and patience to achieve stable success on Affiliate marketing. I wish you all the best on your future endeavors.
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  • Profile picture of the author marco005
    Hi,

    and then when I have found niche keys who have a soc with 10 or 0 (!), then they have zero search volume in google external tool and spyfu.

    marco005
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  • Profile picture of the author codecreative
    Hiya

    Just wondering what web 2.0 sites do you use? can you provide your list of sites?
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  • Profile picture of the author reapq
    I will follow your method... As soon as I have time, Hope it will work..

    Thank you for sharing your secret (if we can say that)
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    Amazing. Loved it. Thank you for sharing!
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  • Profile picture of the author JayKnight
    Just for those who are mentioning getting little traffic with the lower spots on Google page one.

    That you're seeing some traffic is always a good thing. Once you can crack the top 3, that is where most of the traffic ends up. Long-tail keywords will definitely help bring in more if you continue to update your site with new content.
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    • Profile picture of the author Builder154
      Originally Posted by JayKnight View Post

      Just for those who are mentioning getting little traffic with the lower spots on Google page one.

      That you're seeing some traffic is always a good thing. Once you can crack the top 3, that is where most of the traffic ends up. Long-tail keywords will definitely help bring in more if you continue to update your site with new content.
      I'm one who has had this issue. The thing is I doubt I will ever crack the top 3 on some of these. I took them because I saw easy competition in the top 10, not necessarily easy top 3. Some have almost impossible to beat top 3 or 4, but easy to get 5, 6, or 7 so I did them. I thought that was what Carl advised.

      If you have to break the top 3 to get any traffic, then why isn't that what's explicitly advised? In fact, why not just do top 3 competition instead of top 10?
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    • Profile picture of the author PhilJensen
      Originally Posted by JayKnight View Post

      Just for those who are mentioning getting little traffic with the lower spots on Google page one.
      Can always be frustrating not seeing any traffic even though you've managed to crack the first page.

      Like Jay said, once you can crack the top 3 you'll start to see some nice progress.

      Cheers

      Phil
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  • Profile picture of the author Builder154
    Well here is my update after about a month of really working on these sites.

    I have 3 sites up and totally done. Two have just adsense, one has Amazon and another affiliate product. I have done a ton of work backlinking them very wisely and managed at times to get them to rank pretty highly though they bounce around.

    Bottom line: I have not made a single cent on these sites still. Not even one adsense click. Most days each site gets a couple hits tops.

    I followed Carl's method to a tee on the keyword research and everything. I did good backlinking. But literally it's like the sites aren't even up.

    I think there is more to this than Carl's method says. It's not as easy as it seems. Finding keywords alone has proven far far more difficult than it seems to be for him. Backlinking is a ton of work if you are doing it yourself and not outsourcing. And then to not even get a single cent in a month of the sites being up. Pretty sad.

    It would be great to have someone with experience go over exactly what I did and if I did anything wrong. But I'd have to find someone who really knew their stuff, who I could trust with them knowing my domains and who really felt strongly about giving a newbie a little bit of a hand to push him over the top to success.
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    • Profile picture of the author todawg_not
      Originally Posted by Builder154 View Post

      Well here is my update after about a month of really working on these sites.

      I have 3 sites up and totally done. Two have just adsense, one has Amazon and another affiliate product. I have done a ton of work backlinking them very wisely and managed at times to get them to rank pretty highly though they bounce around.

      Bottom line: I have not made a single cent on these sites still. Not even one adsense click. Most days each site gets a couple hits tops.

      I followed Carl's method to a tee on the keyword research and everything. I did good backlinking. But literally it's like the sites aren't even up.

      I think there is more to this than Carl's method says. It's not as easy as it seems. Finding keywords alone has proven far far more difficult than it seems to be for him. Backlinking is a ton of work if you are doing it yourself and not outsourcing. And then to not even get a single cent in a month of the sites being up. Pretty sad.

      It would be great to have someone with experience go over exactly what I did and if I did anything wrong. But I'd have to find someone who really knew their stuff, who I could trust with them knowing my domains and who really felt strongly about giving a newbie a little bit of a hand to push him over the top to success.
      I'll be blunt and this goes to all newbies reading Carl's thread.

      Your suffering from typical Adsense newbieism (if there is such a word) lol

      You build a site, do everything Carl has said, then after 1 month
      throw up your hands and think why haven't I made any money.

      Just to clear up it up, for the record so you know and don't get any false
      expectations. ADSENSE IS FOR THE LONG HAUL

      There's no get rich quick in 3 months, 6 months or even 12 months sorry.
      Most people will not agree with what I just said but it's the truth.

      I built a 30 adsense sites and made no money before I got the hang of it

      I have a site with hundreds of posts, it's over 1.5 years old and the adsense revenue is just starting to pickup.

      To make just $10 per day your site needs to do the following

      say it pays on average $0.75c per click @ 10% ctr

      To make $100 per day you need 133 clicks that's 1330 visitors pd/ 39990 visitor pm, just to make $3K, It's hard work chaps.
      (Obviously there are alot of factors that will influence this senario)

      A couple visitors per day no wonder you making jack

      Come back in 6 months time and repost your results

      That's about as blunt and straight to the point as I can get

      Good luck

      Nigel

      P.s Here's a tip, outsource 95% of everything, Don't try to do everything yourself. Until you really invest your own money into it, you got nothing to lose, and it's just a hobby, you'll move onto the next flavour of the month.
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      • Profile picture of the author MassivePassive
        Originally Posted by todawg_not View Post

        I'll be blunt and this goes to all newbies reading Carl's thread.

        Your suffering from typical Adsense newbieism (if there is such a word) lol

        You build a site, do everything Carl has said, then after 1 month
        throw up your hands and think why haven't I made any money.

        Just to clear up it up, for the record so you know and don't get any false
        expectations. ADSENSE IS FOR THE LONG HAUL

        There's no get rich quick in 3 months, 6 months or even 12 months sorry.
        Most people will not agree with what I just said but it's the truth.

        I built a 30 adsense sites and made no money before I got the hang of it

        I have a site with hundreds of posts, it's over 1.5 years old and the adsense revenue is just starting to pickup.

        To make just $10 per day your site needs to do the following

        say it pays on average $0.75c per click @ 10% ctr

        To make $100 per day you need 133 clicks that's 1330 visitors pd/ 39990 visitor pm, just to make $3K, It's hard work chaps.
        (Obviously there are alot of factors that will influence this senario)

        A couple visitors per day no wonder you making jack

        Come back in 6 months time and repost your results

        That's about as blunt and straight to the point as I can get

        Good luck

        Nigel

        P.s Here's a tip, outsource 95% of everything, Don't try to do everything yourself. Until you really invest your own money into it, you got nothing to lose, and it's just a hobby, you'll move onto the next flavour of the month.
        This man has spoken the truth.
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      • Profile picture of the author Builder154
        Nigel,

        I think you misunderstood. My sites ALREADY were in the top 10. One is at #3. This is what Carl's method promises. So if even having rankings like that it still is making literally nothing, that calls into question the method.

        I'm not complaining that I didn't make money in a month. I'm complaining that I'm not making money even with rankings like that. I'm complaining that even with rankings like that on keywords that met Carl's criteria, I'm still getting single digit numbers of visitors a day. It makes me wonder if his criteria is right.

        Maybe his criteria should be more than 1000 local exact searches?

        Yet according to him these criteria have worked for him. I don't get how. If I can get all of my keywords in the top 10 and all of them meet his criteria and still make NOTHING, then is his method really accurate?
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  • Profile picture of the author BDE4Live
    Im in the same situation, 3 websites, 2 months in and maybe 6$ made on 1 website, the other 2 are no where to be fund. Did exacly like Carl said. Must be the new updates with G. NOt so sure if adsense is the way to go. Been reading on the amazon and for some reason it look more promessing. Not sure what to do.
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    • Profile picture of the author Builder154
      Originally Posted by BDE4Live View Post

      Im in the same situation, 3 websites, 2 months in and maybe 6$ made on 1 website, the other 2 are no where to be fund. Did exacly like Carl said. Must be the new updates with G. NOt so sure if adsense is the way to go. Been reading on the amazon and for some reason it look more promessing. Not sure what to do.
      I don't think the Google Update is the issue. One of my sites is ranked #3. The others were all in the top 6 or 7 at some point. Still not enough to get a cent.

      And one of my sites has no adsense but mostly Amazon and same results.

      I'm as confused as you what to do now. I was really committed to blasting through 50 of these things. Even if I made a few bucks it would give me hope that I'm on the right track. But I'm literally getting nothing and it makes me worry I'd be wasting all that energy, which is a lot of energy as you know if you've built one of these with all the spinning and backlinking.

      I would really love a partner or a mentor, someone to help each other or help me along this path. I believe I have all the basic skills and commitment to do this but I just don't know where I'm going wrong.
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      • Profile picture of the author CatherineMay
        Originally Posted by Builder154 View Post

        I don't think the Google Update is the issue. One of my sites is ranked #3. The others were all in the top 6 or 7 at some point. Still not enough to get a cent.

        And one of my sites has no adsense but mostly Amazon and same results.

        I'm as confused as you what to do now. I was really committed to blasting through 50 of these things. Even if I made a few bucks it would give me hope that I'm on the right track. But I'm literally getting nothing and it makes me worry I'd be wasting all that energy, which is a lot of energy as you know if you've built one of these with all the spinning and backlinking.

        I would really love a partner or a mentor, someone to help each other or help me along this path. I believe I have all the basic skills and commitment to do this but I just don't know where I'm going wrong.

        Builder, I don't have anything to offer you but sincere sympathy. I really wish someone who knows more would comment on your well-written and heartfelt posts...this one I quoted and the one above it.

        This whole issue of staying motivated when you can't see a light at the end of the tunnel is a very real one. Reading about other people's success can only carry a person so far.
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        • Profile picture of the author Builder154
          Originally Posted by CatherineMay View Post

          Builder, I don't have anything to offer you but sincere sympathy. I really wish someone who knows more would comment on your well-written and heartfelt posts...this one I quoted and the one above it.

          This whole issue of staying motivated when you can't see a light at the end of the tunnel is a very real one. Reading about other people's success can only carry a person so far.
          Thanks. Yeah it's not so much motivation in general. I have the skills and commitment to work very hard at this. It's motivation to do this particular process since so far it isn't paying off. I'm just not sure if I'm doing something wrong or if the method doesn't work or if I just need to make more sites and the 7th one and the 15th ones are going to be killer. I just don't know.
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    • Profile picture of the author wilsonm
      Originally Posted by BDE4Live View Post

      Im in the same situation, 3 websites, 2 months in and maybe 6$ made on 1 website, the other 2 are no where to be fund. Did exacly like Carl said. Must be the new updates with G. NOt so sure if adsense is the way to go. Been reading on the amazon and for some reason it look more promessing. Not sure what to do.
      Maybe more backlinks for the 2 sites that have not anywhere? But that is going to mean more time and effort and money investment.
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  • Profile picture of the author marco005
    Hi,

    I find ukcarls method amazing and I will build an adsense business too.

    But what is the cause that Builder154 and BDE4Live not make good money from this, not only with adsense,with amazon too?

    Does people today now very adsense blinded or not will buying amazon products from an affiliate site?????

    What is the cause?

    With a keyword on spot 3 google first page,that has a search volume from say 1000, and spyfu shows 0,50-0,80 or more adsense click payout, normal you must made 30-40$ with each from your niche site, on spot 6-7 (google first page) I think it will be a little lesser than 40$ so 20$.

    That is what I have written in another thread; why some make a living only with an huge adsense business model and others are failed who followed their methods?

    There must be a cause of that.

    Try to make your ads stand out, have an high ctr theme, no outbound links.

    When this all not helps you have 1 chance to make money: Find a product/niche you are an expert , make a mini site with great written sales pitch content and do forum marketing, blog commenting with a link to your money site, a well written sales letter page with 1000 words,promote your offer, this will bring conversion rates.



    best wishes
    marco005
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  • Profile picture of the author marco005
    Hi,

    on fiverr are not serious offers too.
    I found an offer; "I promote your products on my 150k facebook fanpage".

    I send him an email and ask what about business/niche is his fb fanpage, and he request this to me; ?????

    I think his 150k fans are very untarget, so nothing will buy my product.
    Or what do you think about this?

    best wishes
    marco005
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  • Profile picture of the author Simon74
    Great work Carl. I have been using the same system for over 2 years and I can confirm it does work. You can always grow the sites to authority to increase your revenue.

    Well done Carl.

    Simon
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  • Profile picture of the author ihasdiggs
    I will sure apply this trick and hope it will increase my earning. Thanks for posing here
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  • Profile picture of the author ProServices
    Well done Carl. Truly inspirational.

    I noticed you posted the thread in Feb of this year and are you still receiving similar results after the Big G updates?

    I'm worried about starting something and then the whole project being ruined by Big G moving the goal posts.

    Do you offer coaching sessions as you seem like the real deal?

    Cheers
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  • Profile picture of the author BDE4Live
    Just to make it clear, 3 websites were on first page for like 1 week, one is still there . Between first and second link, the other I'm not able to find them, been creating back links but still nothing . I used exactly the Same method . My goal was to reach 50 mns but if I'm not able to generate revenue from the 3 , Then im not sure if I should continue with this method.
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  • Profile picture of the author marco005
    Hi,

    Important question;

    I have found 3 niche keywords, but google chrome (ubuntu) shows no adwords advertiser for all these 3 keywords. But semrush shows me 11 ads for each keyword.

    Should I use them or should I go for another niche keywords?
    Does semrush shows me accurate number of adwords advertisers???

    best wishes
    marco005
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  • Profile picture of the author marco005
    Hi,

    update notice;

    From my 3 niche keywords, all the competitors on google page 1 have no adsense on their site, these are shops, alibaba, not found sites and so on.

    I think these 3 niche keywords will not have value with adsense,there are to low advertisers for these keywords.

    Should I use these for amazon affiliate or should I go and search for another keywords???

    best wishes
    marco005
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  • Profile picture of the author markwilson4074
    Nice post, and congrats on your success.

    I personally think that these techniques were valid BEFORE the penguin update. After the update things have changes quite a bit especially the micro niche websites with EMD are affected the most and hence the adsense earnings!

    Keep posting as its quite inspirational for those following your model to generate revenue.

    All the best.
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  • Profile picture of the author Builder154
    So here is my situation.

    I had a part time job that was keeping me going plus giving me free time to work on building 50 sites using Carl's method. I built the first 3 as I've said, all follow the guidelines Carl gave. But none of them is getting much traffic. 2 of them are getting almost none. No money made after about a month.

    Now I'm told that that part time job is ending. This leaves me with a big decision. If this method - or even some other one - could work, I could now devote full time to this for a couple months. But if it doesn't work then it's riskier than ever.

    If only I had a process I knew worked, even if it took a ton of work, I'd be happy to put the work in. If you have to make 10 sites to get 1 that works, that's fine. But I just have no idea if what I'm doing is right or wrong at this point and no idea if I should dive into this harder or if I'm throwing away energy and resources.
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  • Profile picture of the author Butazi
    Awesome story!

    Edit: I feel like I should've had a better first post.
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  • Profile picture of the author shubhamblogger
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    • Profile picture of the author Builder154
      Originally Posted by shubhamblogger View Post

      well making 5 big websites is quite better to start and is easy to update then having 50 websites.!!!!!
      I'd be happy to do that too if it works. But I think the idea is to get the MNS sites going and then pick the ones that are working to build out into bigger sites. If none of them are working, then building them out doesn't seem to make a lot of sense.
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  • Profile picture of the author wilsonm
    If he is on the first page, he will make money (not a lot but it all adds up). I checked out 2 sites, 1 of them is no where on G and other is on the first page on Google in the UK.
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    • Profile picture of the author DonDavis
      Originally Posted by wilsonm View Post

      If he is on the first page, he will make money (not a lot but it all adds up). I checked out 2 sites, 1 of them is no where on G and other is on the first page on Google in the UK.
      I beg to differ. Just because you are on the first page does not mean you are going to make any money.
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  • Profile picture of the author MassivePassive
    Originally Posted by exp0sed View Post

    Builder154 -

    Perhaps it would help if you could see some of Carls sites. Compare yours with his and see what you're doing wrong. Here's a list of some of his most recent:

    Are yours anything like this? To be honest - I don't believe he makes anywhere near what he says with sites like these.
    Why not?

    $2000 / 30 days = $66.67 a day

    Not every single site you make will be a hit, but with 100 sites, those #s are definitely possible.
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  • Profile picture of the author Builder154
    Not sure how I feel about you posting all of those sites. That's not very nice if you ask me.

    What I can say is that those sites are way more focused on a very specific product or buying keyword than mine are. It may just be that my sites aren't specifically commercial enough. But then I haven't found many great buying keywords that are high traffic/low competition.
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  • Profile picture of the author marco005
    Hi,

    for the keyword above the list from exp0sed; how to balance a ceiling a fan, my google chrom and firefox show no adwords advertiser.

    How to balance a ceiling fan has perhaps little competition in google page one,but is not a product buyer keyword.

    Please folks, what should I do with keywords like this example, who google shows me no adword advertisers???

    marco005
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  • Profile picture of the author Builder154
    Well good news everyone. I made my first 11 cents on one of my 3 sites At least I know it's working I guess. Will keep you posted over time.
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  • Profile picture of the author BDE4Live
    Me to .80 yestherday and some of my pages improved in rankings. But still I don't trust this G. Definitley need to find something that is more steady and I don't realy only on G.
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  • Profile picture of the author Chrisbroholm
    To the critics: This isn't a $1000/site strategy. Carl has found a way to make sites that each make a few bucks here and there, continually expanding his portfolio he has reached the figure of I believe $1600 or so a month with Adsense.

    I'm sure if you put more effort into each individual site you could make more per site, but his method is simply to keep adding sites. Nothing wrong with that. This way he discovers more winners and losers faster.

    His work ethic is an inspiration to all of us, and really proves that money can be made as long as you put in the effort.
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    • Profile picture of the author Builder154
      Originally Posted by Chrisbroholm View Post

      To the critics: This isn't a $1000/site strategy. Carl has found a way to make sites that each make a few bucks here and there, continually expanding his portfolio he has reached the figure of I believe $1600 or so a month with Adsense.

      I'm sure if you put more effort into each individual site you could make more per site, but his method is simply to keep adding sites. Nothing wrong with that. This way he discovers more winners and losers faster.

      His work ethic is an inspiration to all of us, and really proves that money can be made as long as you put in the effort.
      Obviously we're completely aware of what his strategy is. Nobody is expecting $1000/site. But so far I have made 11 cents on THREE sites. Total. In a month!
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      • Profile picture of the author Chrisbroholm
        Originally Posted by Builder154 View Post

        Obviously we're completely aware of what his strategy is. Nobody is expecting $1000/site. But so far I have made 11 cents on THREE sites. Total. In a month!
        Hey, I know the frustration man, but does your sites have:

        Great Content
        Great Ad Placement
        Great CPC for your niche
        Great Traffic

        That's the way to go. If you only made 11 cents on three sites then something must be off. How many visitors do you get?
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        • Profile picture of the author Builder154
          Originally Posted by Chrisbroholm View Post

          Hey, I know the frustration man, but does your sites have:

          Great Content
          Great Ad Placement
          Great CPC for your niche
          Great Traffic

          That's the way to go. If you only made 11 cents on three sites then something must be off. How many visitors do you get?
          The point is the sites have everything Carl says for them to have. So if they don't work, I wonder if Carl needs to update his method.

          Yes they have great content. They have ads placed in pretty standard places. I'd split test and optimize them if I was getting ANY clicks. And I get very very few visitors despite these ranking pretty well and having followed all of Carl's criteria.

          So the question is whether his criteria are really good enough.

          If you can use his method, find a keyword that meets all his criteria, rank #3 for it and get 10 hits a day and make 11 cents, does that mean his method is wrong? He suggests 1000 local exact search a day. Does it actually take 5000? If so this would be tough cause it took me a ton of time to find even the keywords meeting his current criteria.

          I'm not naive or a newbie really. I have tried a lot of methods. I'm just getting really cynical because every method is said to work for the person promoting it but when I follow it to a tee, I still end up not having success.

          I really just want a method where if I put in the work it will work. There may be no guarantee on any given site. But if a method works and you keep with it it should be pretty solid to at least make a reasonable amount.
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  • Profile picture of the author JSProjects
    Originally Posted by exp0sed View Post

    Builder154 -

    Perhaps it would help if you could see some of Carls sites. Compare yours with his and see what you're doing wrong. Here's a list of some of his most recent:

    ....
    ....
    ....

    Are yours anything like this? To be honest - I don't believe he makes anywhere near what he says with sites like these.
    Seriously? Sharing his sites publicly? C'mon man...
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael_Le
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    just came across this thread.

    IMO you have missed 2 vital steps.

    1. the CPC on the keyword. it's all very well searching for low competition keywords and ranking for it, but if your getting $.10 CPC and taking 68% of it, then you'll need at least 300 sites to even make something half decent to quit your job. this is key to being successful in adsense.

    2. you haven't included one security plugin for your site. what you going to do if it gets hacked?

    anyway.........
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    • Profile picture of the author sonic74
      Originally Posted by Michael_Le View Post

      just came across this thread.

      IMO you have missed 2 vital steps.

      1. the CPC on the keyword. it's all very well searching for low competition keywords and ranking for it, but if your getting $.10 CPC and taking 68% of it, then you'll need at least 300 sites to even make something half decent to quit your job. this is key to being successful in adsense.

      2. you haven't included one security plugin for your site. what you going to do if it gets hacked?

      anyway.........
      we're searching for low competition keywords but with $1-$1.5 CPC long tail keywords !

      of course you'll get $.10 clicks but the majority will be higher $.70
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    • Profile picture of the author Builder154
      Originally Posted by Michael_Le View Post

      just came across this thread.

      IMO you have missed 2 vital steps.

      1. the CPC on the keyword. it's all very well searching for low competition keywords and ranking for it, but if your getting $.10 CPC and taking 68% of it, then you'll need at least 300 sites to even make something half decent to quit your job. this is key to being successful in adsense.

      2. you haven't included one security plugin for your site. what you going to do if it gets hacked?

      anyway.........
      What are you talking about? Carl says to weed out anything less than $1 CPC. That's one of his main criteria.
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  • Profile picture of the author Builder154
    Well after my last post I just checked and I made another quarter on that site that made 11 cents the other day. So hey at least that one is maybe starting to work a bit. We'll see.
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    • Profile picture of the author Chrisbroholm
      If you are ranking #3 then work on ranking #1. With only 11 daily visitors you won't see much income if anything, considering that your CTR probably won't be much higher than 5% if that.

      Your CPCs also seem kinda low, did you check SpyFu to verify the niche CPC?

      Edit: PS: I think you shouldn't worry about Carl, if you cannot make money with this method that's not his fault or anyone elses.
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      • Profile picture of the author Builder154
        Originally Posted by Chrisbroholm View Post

        If you are ranking #3 then work on ranking #1. With only 11 daily visitors you won't see much income if anything, considering that your CTR probably won't be much higher than 5% if that.

        Your CPCs also seem kinda low, did you check SpyFu to verify the niche CPC?

        Edit: PS: I think you shouldn't worry about Carl, if you cannot make money with this method that's not his fault or anyone elses.
        Yes I could work to get it to #1. But this is one of my huge pet peeves. I thought we're choosing keywords that don't require ONLY #1 to make some money. If they did then the competition research should say "Only do this if you can get #1." Nobody says that. Not Carl. Not Adsense Flippers. Nobody I've seen says to only go after keywords where you can get #1. I thought getting #3 would be pretty good.

        The CPC in Google Keyword Tool was over $1 or I wouldn't have chosen the keyword. I don't know about how you check CPC in SpyFU. Do you need a membership? I agree, I chose this because Google says the CPC was over $1. I understand that's not what we get paid. But even then I feel like clicks should be 50 or 60 cents. But 11 and 25 cents so far.
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  • Profile picture of the author computermesh
    Originally Posted by exp0sed View Post

    Builder154 -

    Perhaps it would help if you could see some of Carls sites. Compare yours with his and see what you're doing wrong. Here's a list of some of his most recent:

    REMOVED FOR PRIVACY

    Are yours anything like this? To be honest - I don't believe he makes anywhere near what he says with sites like these.

    Why would you go and post up all his sites like that. Way to hate.
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  • Profile picture of the author the goat
    1,000 searches per month = 33 a day
    #1 gets about 50% of the clicks so we are down to 16
    #2 gets about 50% of those clicks so we are at 8
    At #3 for a site with search #'s of 1,000? 8 clicks a day is about all you can hope for

    I haven't read this entire thread, but I know adsense, I have well over 100 sites. You can't rely on your EMD keyword alone with that many searches, it is time to analyze your traffic keywords and add more content that targets those.
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    • Profile picture of the author Builder154
      Originally Posted by the goat View Post

      1,000 searches per month = 33 a day
      #1 gets about 50% of the clicks so we are down to 16
      #2 gets about 50% of those clicks so we are at 8
      At #3 for a site with search #'s of 1,000? 8 clicks a day is about all you can hope for

      I haven't read this entire thread, but I know adsense, I have well over 100 sites. You can't rely on your EMD keyword alone with that many searches, it is time to analyze your traffic keywords and add more content that targets those.
      How much do you make with your 100 sites?
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  • Profile picture of the author the goat
    I'm not one to throw around numbers, I am not a fan of people that do, but let's just say that I make a comfortable living. There are a ton of people claiming this and that and most people that throw around numbers are just trying to set themselves up as some kind of guru to sell their system later. Why do they do this? Because their system isn't making them enough money to live on so they need to move on to preying on newbies.
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    • Profile picture of the author Builder154
      Originally Posted by the goat View Post

      I'm not one to throw around numbers, I am not a fan of people that do, but let's just say that I make a comfortable living. There are a ton of people claiming this and that and most people that throw around numbers are just trying to set themselves up as some kind of guru to sell their system later. Why do they do this? Because their system isn't making them enough money to live on so they need to move on to preying on newbies.
      All I'm trying to do is see if Carl's claims that he makes $2000 a month is reasonable at all. You make a living off these 100 microniche type sites? Or is that a small part along with other things?

      And if you do make a living with those sites, would you be willing to give me a little help with this?
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  • Profile picture of the author the goat
    Like I said I haven't read this entire thread, not knowing who Carl is I have no way to know if his claim is reasonable. I will tell you this though... That list of sites a few posts up? Those sites suck, there is zero chance that 100 of those makes $2000 a month. No chance.

    Those are what we call MFA sites (made for adsense). My sites could not be any more different than those. I aim for authority sites that are enhanced with adsense. The ads should look like an afterthought, not the centerpiece of the site. If the owner of those sites ever comes up for a manual adsense review their account will be banned in an instant.

    I don't know what kind of help you are asking for but to be perfectly honest, most likely no. I am not a coach or anything like that I just like to come here once in a while and tell people the truth because there is so much bull**** floating around. That being said, it is very doable to make $2000 a month from 100 sites with adsense alone, and as far as help ask away, I'll do my best to steer you in a better direction.
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    • Profile picture of the author Builder154
      Originally Posted by the goat View Post

      Like I said I haven't read this entire thread, not knowing who Carl is I have no way to know if his claim is reasonable. I will tell you this though... That list of sites a few posts up? Those sites suck, there is zero chance that 100 of those makes $2000 a month. No chance.

      Those are what we call MFA sites (made for adsense). My sites could not be any more different than those. I aim for authority sites that are enhanced with adsense. The ads should look like an afterthought, not the centerpiece of the site. If the owner of those sites ever comes up for a manual adsense review their account will be banned in an instant.

      I don't know what kind of help you are asking for but to be perfectly honest, most likely no. I am not a coach or anything like that I just like to come here once in a while and tell people the truth because there is so much bull**** floating around. That being said, it is very doable to make $2000 a month from 100 sites with adsense alone, and as far as help ask away, I'll do my best to steer you in a better direction.
      Well I really just need a system that if I follow it and put in the work it will pay off. I understand not every site will work, but if I had a system where if I make 100 sites using it, among all of those I will make a living I'd be off and running. What I like about Carl and this thread was Carl offered a specific system - which keywords, what criteria, what to put in your content and so on. Do you use a system and set of criteria in making your sites?
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  • Profile picture of the author the goat
    To a certain extent I use a system yes, but the sites listed above in the state they are in are at about step 3 of about 10 steps (and steps 1 and 2 were done badly).

    I do my keyword research, pick a domain, build a bare bones site with 3-5 well written unique articles that target the main keyword and two others. Then I let it sit. If it gets rankings and more importantly traffic, then the real work begins. If it doesn't then I just leave it alone.

    I can tell you exactly what happened here, I've seen it a million times. The person who built those sites got this far and got frustrated with the lack of income. Instead of putting their head down and moving forward they decided to switch gears and brand themselves as an adsense expert (they always claim they aren't) in order to start making money by selling systems. 90% of people talking about systems don't have a successful one or else they would keep their mouth shut and keep using it to make money.
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  • Profile picture of the author Builder154
    Originally Posted by the goat View Post

    To a certain extent I use a system yes, but the sites listed above in the state they are in are at about step 3 of about 10 steps (and steps 1 and 2 were done badly).

    I do my keyword research, pick a domain, build a bare bones site with 3-5 well written unique articles that target the main keyword and two others. Then I let it sit. If it gets rankings and more importantly traffic, then the real work begins. If it doesn't then I just leave it alone.

    I can tell you exactly what happened here, I've seen it a million times. The person who built those sites got this far and got frustrated with the lack of income. Instead of putting their head down and moving forward they decided to switch gears and brand themselves as an adsense expert (they always claim they aren't) in order to start making money by selling systems. 90% of people talking about systems don't have a successful one or else they would keep their mouth shut and keep using it to make money.
    But as far as I know he doesn't make any money as an 'adsense expert.' He gave his method away free in this thread and in a little free document on his site. So I don't think that's true at all.

    You're saying you only pursue sites that get ranking and traffic without any backlinking?
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  • Profile picture of the author the goat
    That's how they all start, they say they aren't selling anything but they are trying to set things up for the future. I don't know Carl, I could be dead wrong, but ask yourself why on earth would anyone try so hard to convince people they are making money with their system if they really are? People with nothing to prove generally don't put forth a huge effort to prove something, know what I mean?

    As for what I outlined, yes that is what I do. The system ends there, there is no system since every site is different. I said this in another thread but I will repeat it here to try and give you an idea of what I do.

    Start by just using a Wordpress default theme out of the box. Put 3-5 500 or so word articles on it. Just get it up as fast as you can don't worry about it being pretty. Worry about finding out if it will rank easily and then get it pretty later. Just get it up, let it sit and move on to something else.

    I always have a bunch of sites in this stage and if they get traffic, then I make them pretty, monetize them and add more content. Some sites just won't work. I have a bunch, but I only wasted about 15 minutes on each (I outsource my writing). No sense in wasting hours making the site all pretty if it is never going to rank right?

    Every day I either research keywords and buy domains, build a raw site, or finish and monetize a site. It is a continuous cycle.

    Then I move on to this:

    I let the site decide what it wants to be. Some become very successful traffic wise from people searching for information. In this case I will keep adding a few articles a week and develop them into authority sites with adsense and other advertising.

    Some I realize are getting most of their traffic from keywords that suggest people are looking for reviews and I will go that route and monetize them with amazon links.

    Some keyword analysis suggests that people are looking for a service in the niche and I will find a good person to outsource the service with and advertise double their price then outsource to them and make a profit.

    It is all about analyzing your traffic sources and their keywords. For instance I have a product site that is for a very popular product that is yet to be released. Most of the keywords are things like "When is xxxx launching" or "xxxxrumors" So I attack those keywords.

    After the product is released I will probably switch to reviews and sell accessories for the product via amazon etc. I let the site morph into what it wants to be by studying the traffic instead of being arrogant and pre-determining what a site should be.

    So some sites remain "adsense sites" and some morph into something else. The ones that remain adsense sites do very well and I now have hundreds of them. I could definitely kill all my other sites and live off the ones that are strictly adsense sites in case that is your next question.

    This is what I mean when I say those sites listed are only 30% done.
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    • Profile picture of the author Builder154
      Originally Posted by the goat View Post

      That's how they all start, they say they aren't selling anything but they are trying to set things up for the future.
      First just quickly I want to defend Carl on two things. First, I don't know that he is plotting away to rip anyone off. He seems to be a pretty genuine person from what I've seen. I don't know for sure any more than you. But I haven't seen any bad signs from him.

      Also I think he too is looking to figure out which sites start making money and then build those out. So I think he'd agree with you.

      Now, on to what you said.

      I think the process you stated is brilliant. Just throwing out a lot of feelers, letting them evolve into what they evolve into and going with it.

      My only question is can you give some insight into your keyword research? Can you tell me the process by which you start new sites in a little more detail? Let's say you go tonight to find a new site to start. What programs do you use for your research? What criteria do you require for a keyword that you will build a default wordpress theme site for? Also what criteria competition wise? You must be looking for extremely bad competition if you are planning to rank with no backlinks. And is Google ranking your site just based on Wordpress' default ping? How is it even finding it without any backlinking?

      Also, what levels of traffic and/or income do you use to tell you a site is worth building out?

      Thank you this is great help.
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      • Profile picture of the author the goat
        Originally Posted by Builder154 View Post

        First just quickly I want to defend Carl on two things. First, I don't know that he is plotting away to rip anyone off. He seems to be a pretty genuine person from what I've seen. I don't know for sure any more than you. But I haven't seen any bad signs from him.
        I in know way meant to single out Carl as looking to rip anyone off, he could sell the information he outlined and it would be fine, I am just pointing out that it is very incomplete as a system to making a living online. This is nothing at all personal against Carl, I am sure he is a great guy and he is on the right track.

        Just wanted to get that out there, I'll try and answer your other questions in a minute.
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      • Profile picture of the author the goat
        Originally Posted by Builder154 View Post

        My only question is can you give some insight into your keyword research? Can you tell me the process by which you start new sites in a little more detail? Let's say you go tonight to find a new site to start. What programs do you use for your research? What criteria do you require for a keyword that you will build a default wordpress theme site for? Also what criteria competition wise? You must be looking for extremely bad competition if you are planning to rank with no backlinks. And is Google ranking your site just based on Wordpress' default ping? How is it even finding it without any backlinking?

        Also, what levels of traffic and/or income do you use to tell you a site is worth building out?

        Thank you this is great help.
        Ok you seem to be genuinely looking to really put the effort in to do this so I will do my best to help you out. I've got some time, but to help me not waste time outlining things you already know let me ask you a few things. You are familiar with Googles keyword tool I take it? Do you know about viewing the suggestions as text? Do you use Godaddys bulk domain registration tool?
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        • Profile picture of the author Builder154
          Originally Posted by the goat View Post

          Ok you seem to be genuinely looking to really put the effort in to do this so I will do my best to help you out. I've got some time, but to help me not waste time outlining things you already know let me ask you a few things. You are familiar with Googles keyword tool I take it? Do you know about viewing the suggestions as text? Do you use Godaddys bulk domain registration tool?
          I use Market Samurai and Microniche Finder. So I have all the tools to get the data, check domain availabilities and so on. I just need to know what criteria you're looking for really.
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  • Profile picture of the author bloomingrose
    Excellent post -I think that it could work, although the sites sound too thin. I have heard that it takes about 15-20 posts to pass a manual review, and I know that google likes updates as well.

    And Adsense Flippers didn't weigh in on this here - but I know they were discontinuing CTR theme. Again, it was effective but Google doesn't like it because is marketing I guess, you all know our boss hate marketers.

    Otherwise excellent point by point plan - and I have paid for this exact same information
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    • Profile picture of the author the goat
      Originally Posted by bloomingrose View Post

      Excellent post -I think that it could work, although the sites sound too thin. I have heard that it takes about 15-20 posts to pass a manual review, and I know that google likes updates as well.
      Oh I don't leave them that thin, once I know they will get traffic and be viable I add a few more articles per week. Most of my sites have well over 20 articles and are constantly updated with fresh content.
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  • Profile picture of the author the goat
    I don't use any tools like that, I am a control freak and like to find my keywords manually. I find that tools like that can miss things. Also researching manually can lead to turning over stones that you never would with an automated tool, most times I start my keyword research in one niche and by doing it manually end up going down a rabbit hole I never would have thought of otherwise. This way I end up in niches I never would have thought of and never would have entered into a tool. To each his own though.

    In that case just find a one to three word keyword that has at least 2,500 exact local searches, do a Google search with the keyword in parenthesis and if it has less than 40 times the results as it does searches, does not have a major authority site in the results and is available as an EMD in a .com, .net or .org buy it and you are off to the races.
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    • Profile picture of the author Builder154
      Originally Posted by the goat View Post

      I don't use any tools like that, I am a control freak and like to find my keywords manually. I find that tools like that can miss things. Also researching manually can lead to turning over stones that you never would with an automated tool, most times I start my keyword research in one niche and by doing it manually end up going down a rabbit hole I never would have thought of otherwise. This way I end up in niches I never would have thought of and never would have entered into a tool. To each his own though.

      In that case just find a one to three word keyword that has at least 2,500 exact local searches, do a Google search with the keyword in parenthesis and if it has less than 40 times the results as it does searches, does not have a major authority site in the results and is available as an EMD in a .com, .net or .org buy it and you are off to the races.
      I don't really get this. The tool is bringing back the data right out of the keyword tool isn't it? It's the same data as far as I know. Whatever rabbit holes you find manually, why would you not find them with the tool? It brings back the same results and even has a button to pick up on one keyword and then search it further.

      That's really all your criteria? No deeper analysis of the competition? No looking at their backlinks, keyword in URL and title, etc.? All you care is that no authority site is in the top 10? And by authority site you mean wikipedia, amazon, and so on? Cause normally people say the exact opposite, that those sites are easier to beat since they normally aren't really targeting your keyword.

      Also again once you have the site up, how does it get indexed if you build no backlinks?
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  • Profile picture of the author jis19992
    Inspiring story
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  • Profile picture of the author the goat
    Well not just keyword in the domain, keyword IS the domain. Also, don't use hyphens and don't use stop words. Those sites you mentioned earlier have a lot of stop words in the domains, bad news especially after Googles recent updates.

    Next I don't consider Wikipedia or Amazon authority sites, they are overtaken easily. An authority site is one that is centered specifically around the keyword, people get big sites and authority sites mixed up, there is a big difference.

    As for backlinks this may sound crazy to you because there is so much misinformation out there about backlinks solely because it is such a big industry and people somehow came to believe what so called SEO experts have been spouting in order to sell their services, but aside from ten or so social bookmarks per site I build zero backlinks manually. None, zilch, nada.

    That is not to say that my sites don't have backlinks, they have plenty, but I am patient and let them form in the way Google loves them to be formed... naturally. It takes longer, but guess what. Every site I have has been helped, not hurt by every Google update. My sites rank and hold their ranking because I strictly adhere to the single best off site SEO strategy available. None.

    This may sound insane to you, some just can't even believe it, but like I said I have zero to prove I just like to tell the truth. I hear the same stories over and over, people use the latest tricks to manipulate rankings, Google slaps them, they cry, they use the newer tricks, Google slaps them, they cry, it is a never ending cycle. A cycle that I sit and watch with much amusement.

    Oh and getting sites indexed? If you are even worrying for one second about that then I am sorry to say you have a long way to go and a ton of bad information to either forget, or disprove yourself the hard way.

    Sorry if I sound gruff, people tell me that all the time on this forum. I promise you that I am really only trying to help.
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    • Profile picture of the author Builder154
      Originally Posted by the goat View Post

      Well not just keyword in the domain, keyword IS the domain. Also, don't use hyphens and don't use stop words. Those sites you mentioned earlier have a lot of stop words in the domains, bad news especially after Googles recent updates.
      I think you misunderstood. I know what EMD's are. I meant don't you check if the competition sites have keyword in domain, keyword in title, keyword in URL and so on. That is pretty typical competition analysis.

      aside from ten or so social bookmarks per site I build zero backlinks manually. None, zilch, nada.
      So you do build some social bookmarks to get it indexed?

      Oh and getting sites indexed? If you are even worrying for one second about that then I am sorry to say you have a long way to go and a ton of bad information to either forget, or disprove yourself the hard way.
      Pretty sure that for Google to know to crawl your site there simply has to be a link somewhere no? Or as I said before are you just letting Wordpress' ping do the job? If I'm missing some other possiblity then please tell me what it is.

      Once you answer those, my next questions would be:

      -What criteria do you use to decide whether to build a site out or drop it?
      -How long does it usually take to get enough data to make that decision?
      -What do you do with the sites that don't work? Sell them or just do nothing with them and not renew the domain?
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      • Profile picture of the author the goat
        Originally Posted by Builder154 View Post

        I think you misunderstood. I know what EMD's are. I meant don't you check if the competition sites have keyword in domain, keyword in title, keyword in URL and so on. That is pretty typical competition analysis.



        So you do build some social bookmarks to get it indexed?



        Pretty sure that for Google to know to crawl your site there simply has to be a link somewhere no? Or as I said before are you just letting Wordpress' ping do the job? If I'm missing some other possiblity then please tell me what it is.

        Once you answer those, my next questions would be:

        -What criteria do you use to decide whether to build a site out or drop it?
        -How long does it usually take to get enough data to make that decision?
        -What do you do with the sites that don't work? Sell them or just do nothing with them and not renew the domain?
        As for the competition, read the short post above, I was probably adding it while you were replying.

        Why are you in such a rush to get your site indexed? Don't worry about it, no need to be the kid in the class yelling "pick me, pick me!". Let things happen naturally. Google LOVES natural and believe me they know. Have you ever built a site and had it not get indexed? I am really actually curious now because you seem so worried about it. Do sites just sit in some internet purgatory never getting indexed?

        Once a site with the articles on it gets a steady 50 or so unique visitors a day I will add a nice looking customized theme with a nice logo, add some graphics and add two or so new articles a week for a few weeks, then let it sit for a few more weeks. Then I re analyze its traffic sources and keywords to decide on a strategy to monetize.

        I don't put a time limit on it. I just let it sit until it gets to fifty. If it has 40 and I have some spare time I might mess with it, if it is still at less than that after the domain is up in a year I'll put it up for sale two weeks before expiration, if it sells great, if not I let it die. The way I see it I have spent less than a half hour of my time and less than $50 to learn a valuable lesson in what doesn't work.
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        • Profile picture of the author Builder154
          Originally Posted by the goat View Post

          As for the competition, read the short post above, I was probably adding it while you were replying.
          Which short post? I thought I read all your posts already.

          Why are you in such a rush to get your site indexed?
          First of all, if you don't backlink and nobody else does it will NEVER get indexed as far as I know. So it isn't about a rush. But more obviously, the quicker it's indexed, the quicker you can find out if it's a site worth building out or not. When all this requires is a couple backlinks thrown around, it seems silly not to do it. But you also said that you do 10 social bookmarks, so now I'm confused if you do that or not.

          Ok so you're aiming for 50 unique visitors a day. I'm not saying you put a time on it, I'm just curious how fast can a site with no backlinking at all get to 50 unique visitors a day just sitting there. Does this usually take several months?

          At this point, other than what I mention here, the only thing I still seem unclear on is how you analyze competition. You just look for less than 40 times the exact local search number and no authority site in the top 10? That's it? Nothing else? And if so, I'm still kind of unsure what your definition of an authority site is.

          It would obviously be awesome if you could give an example of this process to illustrate, but short of that any more specific clarification would be great. Thank you again.
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  • Profile picture of the author the goat
    Also, why would I care about anything other than whether or not there is an authority site already for the keyword. Nothing else matters, because if there isn't one, there is going to be soon. Mine.
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    • Profile picture of the author Builder154
      Originally Posted by the goat View Post

      Also, why would I care about anything other than whether or not there is an authority site already for the keyword. Nothing else matters, because if there isn't one, there is going to be soon. Mine.
      Because you only build yours into an authority site AFTER it's able to rank. Well it doesn't take an authority site to keep your site from ranking high and getting traffic. All it takes is pages that target that keyword specifically (keyword in URL, keyword in title, etc.) that have a lot of backlinks to that page, especially a fair amount with that keyword anchor text.

      If the keyword has a few of those in the top 10, even if no authority site, you would conceivably never rank high, never get traffic, so you'd never build it into an authority site. The only ones you build into authority sites are the ones where the competition is so bad you can get a certain amount of traffic (how much I'm still wondering) without doing any backlinking at all.
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      • Profile picture of the author the goat
        Originally Posted by Builder154 View Post

        Because you only build yours into an authority site AFTER it's able to rank. Well it doesn't take an authority site to keep your site from ranking high and getting traffic. All it takes is pages that target that keyword specifically (keyword in URL, keyword in title, etc.) that have a lot of backlinks to that page, especially a fair amount with that keyword anchor text.

        If the keyword has a few of those in the top 10, even if no authority site, you would conceivably never rank high, never get traffic, so you'd never build it into an authority site. The only ones you build into authority sites are the ones where the competition is so bad you can get a certain amount of traffic (how much I'm still wondering) without doing any backlinking at all.
        No, see you are basing that on assuming I decide whether or not to build the site on rankings. I don't. I decide based on traffic, rankings don't make money, traffic does. Remember that I am using three keywords when I build the site, the main keyword is not the only source of traffic. Rankings are of no consequence. I have had sites that rank nowhere in the top three pages for the main keyword but they are getting hundreds of uniques a day from the spinoff keywords.
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        • Profile picture of the author Builder154
          Originally Posted by the goat View Post

          No, see you are basing that on assuming I decide whether or not to build the site on rankings. I don't. I decide based on traffic, rankings don't make money, traffic does. Remember that I am using three keywords when I build the site, the main keyword is not the only source of traffic. Rankings are of no consequence. I have had sites that rank nowhere in the top three pages for the main keyword but they are getting hundreds of uniques a day from the spinoff keywords.
          I don't see how this challenges anything I said other than to point out that it would be wise to analyze the competition for all 3 of those keywords. If you're not ranking highly for any of them, then I don't see how you'd get traffic. I didn't say you have to rank high for the main one. I'm just saying you have to rank for something. Or are you getting 50 uniques a day from totally random long tails that you didn't even really consciously aim at?
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          • Profile picture of the author the goat
            Originally Posted by Builder154 View Post

            I don't see how this challenges anything I said other than to point out that it would be wise to analyze the competition for all 3 of those keywords. If you're not ranking highly for any of them, then I don't see how you'd get traffic. I didn't say you have to rank high for the main one. I'm just saying you have to rank for something. Or are you getting 50 uniques a day from totally random long tails that you didn't even really consciously aim at?
            Ok I am going to try and tie up all your questions here. As for sites never getting indexed to be honest with you I don't have an answer as I have never thought about it. All my sites get indexed with no backlinks at all, usually within a week. Maybe it is because they are on a shared server? I really just don't think about it at all.

            When I say competition I mean for the main keyword. So if there is no authority site but some very strong sites I may never rank initially for the main keyword. But one of my secondary keywords may get to #1. Say for instance the keyword is Bi Polar disorder. (only an example not sure what the actual competition is there) I may be nowhere in the top three pages for it, but one of my articles may rank #1 for "Bi Polar disorder symptoms" and get me tons of traffic. Also I add images with good keyword as alternate text so I can get traffic that way too. I have one site in development right now that gets no rankings or traffic from any keywords at all but gets a few hundred visitors a day from Google images. This is what I mean when I say I base it on traffic not rankings.

            I just don't worry as much as some people about competition I guess, maybe my articles are so well written and optimized that they do better than most against better competition. I don't have anything to compare it to other than my own results.

            As for how long it takes to get that traffic. I've had it take as little as a week and I've had it take months, every situation is different.
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            • Profile picture of the author Builder154
              Originally Posted by the goat View Post

              When I say competition I mean for the main keyword. So if there is no authority site but some very strong sites I may never rank initially for the main keyword. But one of my secondary keywords may get to #1. Say for instance the keyword is Bi Polar disorder. (only an example not sure what the actual competition is there) I may be nowhere in the top three pages for it, but one of my articles may rank #1 for "Bi Polar disorder symptoms" and get me tons of traffic. Also I add images with good keyword as alternate text so I can get traffic that way too. I have one site in development right now that gets no rankings or traffic from any keywords at all but gets a few hundred visitors a day from Google images. This is what I mean when I say I base it on traffic not rankings.
              So then the question is how are you choosing your secondary keywords? What is your criteria for those?

              And I guess what I'm not getting is why you don't do the same research on those secondary ones. I never for a second thought you care primarily about rankings. But all your traffic IS coming from rankings one way or another. You're ranking secondary keywords instead of primary keywords sometimes. But that just begs the question why not research those just as well to increase your chances of getting traffic from them.

              I guess there are still some holes in my understanding since so much of this is about having primary and secondary keywords and you haven't said a thing about how you choose the secondary ones.

              Also, how many of these new sites do you throw out into the world each week? Are you doing tons of them? That could cost a lot in domains. And all your new ones are just Wordpress default theme right?
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  • Profile picture of the author majorkiller
    Good Work Boy....
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    • Profile picture of the author Builder154
      Originally Posted by majorkiller View Post

      Good Work Boy....
      Really? That's your post? "Good Work Boy"?

      Are posts like these just excuses to get a signature link looked at? I wish there was a way to cut down on these in the forums.
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  • Profile picture of the author the goat
    It seems we have two responses going at once so for the sake of less confusion, I am going to wait a few minutes until your next reply to answer everything I can.
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  • Profile picture of the author the goat
    My secondary keywords are derived naturally to compliment the main keyword. Take the bipolar example, logic says to use "bipolar symptoms" and "bipolar treatment" as secondary keywords to keep with the natural flow of the site. I research them solely on exact searches, not competition, because I am only concerned about the main keywords competition, these are just complimentary to the main keyword.

    We are getting hung up on the very first step of a long process, the real results come once the site is analyzed for accidental keywords. Once the initial traffic is achieved it is time to analyze the random keywords people find the site with. Use them to write your next batch of content around, eventually you have tons of optimized keywords in your content and you have diversified your traffic to many sources.

    I build a couple new ones a week, with sites in so many different stages sometimes I am working on stage two or three or four of other sites and don't build any new ones in a week, it all depends what needs work the most.

    Yes when I initially build a site I use a default wordpress theme with YOAST SEO and google xml sitemaps. My content is outsourced and top notch professional quality and I ad an image to each article with other keywords as alt text. My content and on page SEO is flawless, but pay no attention to design at this point. I can build them to this point in less than a half hour.
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    • Profile picture of the author Builder154
      Originally Posted by the goat View Post

      My secondary keywords are derived naturally to compliment the main keyword. Take the bipolar example, logic says to use "bipolar symptoms" and "bipolar treatment" as secondary keywords to keep with the natural flow of the site. I research them solely on exact searches, not competition, because I am only concerned about the main keywords competition, these are just complimentary to the main keyword.
      So basically if the competition is low enough for the main keyword, you just assume that means other keywords in that niche will rank so you don't worry about it? Also do you look for 2500 on these secondary keywords, as well?

      I think I get all of this now other than I'm still not too clear on what makes you say a keyword's competition is low enough to go for it. Your method is so subjective compared to others I've heard.

      I get that this is the first step. But I'm asking a lot on this because I understand the rest of it. Building out the site once it's successful seems pretty clear to me. But my problem is I rarely get a site picking up enough traffic to bother even with all my keyword research. So you doing it without as much research as I'm doing is surprising.

      Yes when I initially build a site I use a default wordpress theme with YOAST SEO and google xml sitemaps.
      Google sitemap. Well duh, now we know how it gets indexed!
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  • Profile picture of the author the goat
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    • Profile picture of the author Builder154
      Originally Posted by the goat View Post

      This is why I shy away from calling things a system, it is too subjective a lot of what I do is on instinct at this point having done it so many times. As for me succeeding in getting initial traffic better than you with less research, I am going to have to disagree. I am doing manual research when selecting my keywords, you are using automated tools. I think I am actually doing more and better research with my manual method, but like I said to each his own.

      Do you mind sharing one of your domains? Maybe PM it to me and I can tell you what I think of it? Not to knock Carl again, but if yours are like his then this could be your main problem.
      You're not doing more research than me. I'm not talking about manual vs. tools (which I still don't get how you see this as different since the tools literally take the data straight out of the keyword tool). But I research more things. I look at every detail of the top 10 competition whereas you just go "Is there an authority site in the top 10?"

      Rather not share the domain. And according to you, why would it matter if they looked like Carl's or not? Your sites have nothing but a default WP theme at first. It makes no difference how they look at that early stage of just getting to a minimum amount of traffic to make it worth continuing.

      So 3 questions remaining:

      1) Why do you think manual research is different? MNF, for example, literally just pulls the exact data you see manually in table form into its interface. I really don't get why you think I'd be missing anything you'd be getting.

      2) Can you give a little more clarity about how you decide if the keyword's competition is low enough to go for it.

      3) Again, with the secondary keywords, do you also require 2500 local exact just as with the main keyword and you just don't bother even looking at their competition? I still don't get why you wouldn't look at the competition because if you have a choice of several secondary keywords, you could be more likely to choose the better one if you looked at which has lowest competition.
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  • Profile picture of the author the goat
    This is why I shy away from calling things systems, they are too subjective to be called systems. Much of what I do is on instinct at this point because I've done it so many times.

    As for you doing more research then me I have to disagree, I bet my manual method is harder and gets better results than the tools you use for research.

    Would you be interested in sharing? I'll show you one of my domains and you show me one of yours. This way I can give you direct feedback on what I think of it. It is like those others listed this could be your biggest problem.
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    • Profile picture of the author Builder154
      Originally Posted by the goat View Post

      Would you be interested in sharing? I'll show you one of my domains and you show me one of yours. This way I can give you direct feedback on what I think of it. It is like those others listed this could be your biggest problem.
      I might be open in the future to trading domains to see how you do it. But I dont see why it's even relevant at this stage since I'm really more curious about these early stages before you even build the site out. Once you know you have a winner and you build it out, then I might be curious how you do that. But at this point I'd be happy to even get to the point where I have some winners to build out.
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  • Profile picture of the author the goat
    I didn't mean look at the sites. I just meant each of us could look at the others domain as texts, it is the single most important thing and I could give you feedback. I understand you not wanting to, I have never offered to show someone one of mine before, just thought it may be insightful.

    I think manual anything is different than automated, you are the force behind the results, not a tool, maybe it's the luddite in me. I've just always seemed to find more keywords manually and certainly more diverse ones.

    For the secondary keywords I'll go down to 1,000 if I have to just because the comp is always lower.
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    • Profile picture of the author Builder154
      Originally Posted by the goat View Post

      I didn't mean look at the sites. I just meant each of us could look at the others domain as texts, it is the single most important thing and I could give you feedback. I understand you not wanting to, I have never offered to show someone one of mine before, just thought it may be insightful.

      I think manual anything is different than automated, you are the force behind the results, not a tool, maybe it's the luddite in me. I've just always seemed to find more keywords manually and certainly more diverse ones.

      For the secondary keywords I'll go down to 1,000 if I have to just because the comp is always lower.
      You mean just so you can look at my main keyword in my EMD and see if it would have met your criteria? I'm confused why just knowing the domain alone would give any great insight unless you meant to show me the stats from it. But if that's so why would I even need to know what it is? All I'd need is the stats and a description of the top 10.

      I really don't understand your view of these tools. How am I not the force behind it? I have to type in the search term just as you do. I get the same results you do. And then if I want to delve deeper I have to choose which keyword and click to do a deeper search. All they really do is put the results in a cleaner format and make it easier to filter them down. I'm sure if you copied the results and pasted them into Excel to sort them you wouldn't find any problem. So why is it different if this tool gets the results and puts them into a spreadsheet interface. That's really all they do.

      Questions still not answered:

      1) Can you clarify more how you decide the competition is low enough to go for a main keyword?

      2) Why do you not research the competition on the secondary keywords to determine which are the ones most likely to get you traffic? Wouldn't this make your process even more effective?
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    • Profile picture of the author Builder154
      Originally Posted by the goat View Post

      I think manual anything is different than automated, you are the force behind the results, not a tool, maybe it's the luddite in me.
      That is pretty hilarious from someone who builds websites for a living and uses Wordpress and plugins. Luddite? You should be out selling handwritten pamphlets on a street corner. LOL
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  • Profile picture of the author the goat
    Showing the domains to each other woud not just reveal the data of search no.s and competition it would also expose whether it is an actionable domain, if it is in a good niche. etc. I am tempted to show you one of mine either way with a little description of why it is good.

    I think I already answered this but I decide the competition is low enough if I search it in parenthesis in google and get less that 40 times the amount it is searched as results, then I check the top ten for an authority site, meaning a formidable site with the same keyword as its base, not a page of a much bigger site like wikipedia, a site built around the keyword.

    Because it is more important to me that the site looks natural and the secondary keywords compliment the rest of the site. In my experience the competition is never enough to overshadow the importance of site continuity.
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    • Profile picture of the author Builder154
      Originally Posted by the goat View Post

      Showing the domains to each other woud not just reveal the data of search no.s and competition it would also expose whether it is an actionable domain, if it is in a good niche. etc. I am tempted to show you one of mine either way with a little description of why it is good.
      Wait? Now after all this back and forth you seem to be throwing in a whole other factor. You never mentioned anything about actionable in a good niche. You said if it has 2500 search, no authority site in top 10 and .com, .org or .net EMD, go for it. Now you seem to be adding another criterion suddenly.

      In any case, feel free to share one with me. I'd love to see anything you can show me.

      than I check the top ten for an authority site, meaning a formidable site with the same keyword as its base, not a page of a much bigger site like wikipedia, a site built around the keyword.
      I guess this is where I'm still not clear. What do you consider a formidable site. And what does same keyword as its base mean? Normally top 10 competition you look for keyword in title, url, description and headers on that site. If it has those we'd consider it targeted. But you don't look at those factors so how else do you know if it's targeting those? Or do you just look at them manually to tell that?
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  • Profile picture of the author the goat
    Alright let me try this again. The actionable thing is a subjective thing, there is no benchmark to measure it against, this is where instinct and experience helps.

    A formidable site with the same keyword as it's base. You don't need to check all that other stuff because you just go to the site and view the page source and you can see it is based around our desired keyword.
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    • Profile picture of the author Builder154
      Originally Posted by the goat View Post

      Alright let me try this again. The actionable thing is a subjective thing, there is no benchmark to measure it against, this is where instinct and experience helps.

      A formidable site with the same keyword as it's base. You don't need to check all that other stuff because you just go to the site and view the page source and you can see it is based around our desired keyword.
      I get that actionable is subjective. It's just that you didn't even mention it before. I thought the entire point of your method was to let fate determine which sites work and which don't. Now it seems you actually are controlling it more. What do you mean by actionable? Do you mean commercial? Definitely feel free to share examples.

      What makes a site "formidable" in your eyes?
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  • Profile picture of the author the goat
    I apologize for overlooking one aspect, we had a lot going on in this conversation, actionable to me means it is a subject that people are looking to act upon. Lets go with bipolar, its highly actionable, people that have it want to know about it, how to live with it. The people that love them want to know the symptoms, the treatment. There is a lot of action around that niche.

    Much more so than say roof tile prices, they just want to compare prices and be done, they have no emotional attachment to find out anything more than the price.
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    • Profile picture of the author Builder154
      Originally Posted by the goat View Post

      I apologize for overlooking one aspect, we had a lot going on in this conversation, actionable to me means it is a subject that people are looking to act upon. Lets go with bipolar, its highly actionable, people that have it want to know about it, how to live with it. The people that love them want to know the symptoms, the treatment. There is a lot of action around that niche.

      Much more so than say roof tile prices, they just want to compare prices and be done, they have no emotional attachment to find out anything more than the price.
      By actionable do you mean people are interested enough to take action by clicking to your site? Or are you talking about actionable in terms of buying products so you can monetize?

      I am sure a certain percentage of people searching for prices are looking to buy and once they have the price if there is a way to buy sitting right there will do so. So that seems like a pretty good idea. Isn't that why insurance companies or financial companies will often put calculators and price/rate comparison tools on their sites?
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      • Profile picture of the author the goat
        Originally Posted by Builder154 View Post

        By actionable do you mean people are interested enough to take action by clicking to your site? Or are you talking about actionable in terms of buying products so you can monetize?

        I am sure a certain percentage of people searching for prices are looking to buy and once they have the price if there is a way to buy sitting right there will do so. So that seems like a pretty good idea. Isn't that why insurance companies or financial companies will often put calculators and price/rate comparison tools on their sites?
        Adsense sites are all about keeping people around and clicking, looking for more action. The bipolar site, the people are hungry for more info the more they get the more they want, what next, what next. I'll come back tomorrow to see if theres anything new.

        Price guy gets his price and he's happy, people don't buy roof tiles online, they price them and then go to the lumberyard. Unless you want to set up a dropshipping operation with a lumberyard, they get their price and their gone. See what I mean?

        These are the intuitive intangibles of domain names. It doesn't effect the letting the site be what it wants, it just has open doors for more potential content and monetizing strategies.

        I am starting to get that feeling like I am trying to convince you, that is not what I am here for, you go with what you feel is right, I was merely trying to maybe point you in some directions you haven't been pointed in yet.
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        • Profile picture of the author Builder154
          Originally Posted by the goat View Post

          Adsense sites are all about keeping people around and clicking, looking for more action. The bipolar site, the people are hungry for more info the more they get the more they want, what next, what next. I'll come back tomorrow to see if theres anything new.

          Price guy gets his price and he's happy, people don't buy roof tiles online, they price them and then go to the lumberyard. Unless you want to set up a dropshipping operation with a lumberyard, they get their price and their gone. See what I mean?

          These are the intuitive intangibles of domain names. It doesn't effect the letting the site be what it wants, it just has open doors for more potential content and monetizing strategies.

          I am starting to get that feeling like I am trying to convince you, that is not what I am here for, you go with what you feel is right, I was merely trying to maybe point you in some directions you haven't been pointed in yet.
          No don't get me wrong. I agree with almost everything you've said. I'm just trying to clarify what you mean by certain terms like "formidable" and "actionable". I think for the most part I understand. But some examples of how you analyze a top 10 would definitely help. And you could share some of your actual domains or you could just find even a bad keyword that you'd say no to and show why you'd say no. Any insight into exactly how you analyze the top 10 - and how you determine it is actionable - would be great.
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  • Profile picture of the author TryBPO
    It's funny (Not "Ha ha" funny...but interesting...you know what I mean!) watching you two debate niche and first page analysis...we've been doing some of the same internally recently. Joe and I have slightly different methods when it comes to picking out our "winners" or those we build sites around.

    We're currently in the process of developing a tool that will take what's currently subjective about our process (Joe and I determining our chance to rank on the first page) and making it objective. The cool thing is that we have over 12K keywords reseached and nearly 2K sites built...so we can take the tool and apply it to that back-data to see how effectively it picks the winners. We can then tweak the tool from there until it picks a good % of those that made us money. We just got the first phase of that tool built today, actually. In the meantime:

    We recently started a new project, NicheSiteGold:
    Detailed Case Studies And Actionable Niche Site Keywords Emailed Weekly!

    It's a weekly newsletter that shows case studies of both keywords we WOULD and would NOT select. What we've done is set aside a few keywords from our KW research each week and we break down their #'s and our reasoning behind why we would or would not have purchased them.

    It's not charity...we then sell those domains for $50 to anyone that wants to buy...but if you're looking for more detail about the types of keywords/niches we pick I think you'll find it quite helpful and the newsletter's free...
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    • Profile picture of the author Builder154
      Originally Posted by TryBPO View Post

      It's funny (Not "Ha ha" funny...but interesting...you know what I mean!) watching you two debate niche and first page analysis...we've been doing some of the same internally recently. Joe and I have slightly different methods when it comes to picking out our "winners" or those we build sites around.

      We're currently in the process of developing a tool that will take what's currently subjective about our process (Joe and I determining our chance to rank on the first page) and making it objective. The cool thing is that we have over 12K keywords reseached and nearly 2K sites built...so we can take the tool and apply it to that back-data to see how effectively it picks the winners. We can then tweak the tool from there until it picks a good % of those that made us money. We just got the first phase of that tool built today, actually. In the meantime:

      We recently started a new project, NicheSiteGold:
      Detailed Case Studies And Actionable Niche Site Keywords Emailed Weekly!

      It's a weekly newsletter that shows case studies of both keywords we WOULD and would NOT select. What we've done is set aside a few keywords from our KW research each week and we break down their #'s and our reasoning behind why we would or would not have purchased them.

      It's not charity...we then sell those domains for $50 to anyone that wants to buy...but if you're looking for more detail about the types of keywords/niches we pick I think you'll find it quite helpful and the newsletter's free...
      Thanks Justin and/or Joe (I never know which one of you it is posting). Always love hearing your input. This is a great idea, probably one of the things most needed. I only wish I could get a few good examples right off the bat rather than waiting for them to trickle in over the next few weeks!

      Seeing step by step how experienced keyword researchers would analyze some actual examples is one of the most missing thing in my education.
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      • Profile picture of the author the goat
        Originally Posted by Builder154 View Post

        Seeing step by step how experienced keyword researchers would analyze some actual examples is one of the most missing thing in my education.
        I was going to do that but you said no need you have samurai and niche finder.
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        • Profile picture of the author Builder154
          Originally Posted by the goat View Post

          I was going to do that but you said no need you have samurai and niche finder.
          I think you misunderstood why I mentioned having those tools. Whether I see the data in those or the data in the keyword tool (I keep telling you they're the exact same data!) the tricky part is making the decision on the data.

          That is where it is cool to see the thought process. The traffic part is pretty much straightforward. Either it has 2500 or it doesn't.

          But top 10 competition is very subjective and confusing to me. I'd gain a lot from seeing how successful people analyze it. I did the 30 Day Challenge years ago and the whole "if there is a green line in Market Samurai" was my first rule of thumb. Then I got MNF so a low SOC, under 50 preferably, maybe under 100 was my second.

          But this "no authority site in the top 10 and that's it" approach is interesting.

          And I'd love to see how Adsense Flippers do it too.
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    • Profile picture of the author Builder154
      Originally Posted by TryBPO View Post

      In the meantime:

      We recently started a new project, NicheSiteGold:
      Detailed Case Studies And Actionable Niche Site Keywords Emailed Weekly!
      As my thank you, I will give you some free proofreading. At the bottom of the page it says "You'll receiving". Obviously should be "You'll be receiving"

      If you ever want to hire me to do proofreading I'm really good
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  • Profile picture of the author the goat
    It's really hard for me to determine what you already know and what you don't since you use automated tools to do everything. I need to get to sleep but I will come back to this thread and walk you through my entire process at some point if you would like. I have about a 90% success rate of success with my keywords getting traffic with little effort.

    In the meantime read this, it is a really good tutorial on manual research, I think if you go through the entire thing step by step it might get you hooked on manual.

    How To Find Profit Producing Exact Match Domain Names Using Your Head And Some Free Tools | Niche Patrol
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    • Profile picture of the author Builder154
      Originally Posted by the goat View Post

      It's really hard for me to determine what you already know and what you don't since you use automated tools to do everything. I need to get to sleep but I will come back to this thread and walk you through my entire process at some point if you would like. I have about a 90% success rate of success with my keywords getting traffic with little effort.

      In the meantime read this, it is a really good tutorial on manual research, I think if you go through the entire thing step by step it might get you hooked on manual.

      How To Find Profit Producing Exact Match Domain Names Using Your Head And Some Free Tools | Niche Patrol
      I'm absolutely lost as to why you keep harping on the tools vs. keyword tool. How many times can I make clear there is really no difference. The tools take the same data, import it into a nicer interface that's easier to work with. Why would I know anything less than you just because I use the same data there rather than where you use it?

      I know all the basics of keyword research.

      But I'd love to have you walk me through it so please do that. Thank you again for all the advice. I will check out the link.
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    • Profile picture of the author CatherineMay
      Originally Posted by the goat View Post

      It's really hard for me to determine what you already know and what you don't since you use automated tools to do everything. I need to get to sleep but I will come back to this thread and walk you through my entire process at some point if you would like. I have about a 90% success rate of success with my keywords getting traffic with little effort.

      In the meantime read this, it is a really good tutorial on manual research, I think if you go through the entire thing step by step it might get you hooked on manual.

      How To Find Profit Producing Exact Match Domain Names Using Your Head And Some Free Tools | Niche Patrol

      Wow, I'm so glad I decided to take another look at this thread. Goat, just this link and the other explanations from you just may have just changed my life, lol.

      Thanks so much for being so patient and willing to share what you know!
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      • Profile picture of the author CatherineMay
        Goat, I have a couple of questions on my own. In post #834, you say never use stop words in your domains. I've never heard this term before; can you please explain what this means?

        Also in post #834, you say you build 10 or so social bookmarking links per site. But am I correct in understanding that you only do this after you have chosen a site to develop out and after it has started to get some traffic on its own? In other words, this is a step you take when you decide to make a site attractive, monetize it, and add more content?
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  • Profile picture of the author TKay1
    Here's my two cents: for micro niche sites - don't over analyze the competition. Just get the site up, backlink it and move on. Go back two months later and see how it's doing. You'll learn so much more from your own mistakes than what you will ever learn from reading how others are doing it.

    Looking at stats and analyzing competition is a great way to waste time that could be spent doing something creative/constructive.
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    • Profile picture of the author Builder154
      Originally Posted by TKay1 View Post

      Here's my two cents: for micro niche sites - don't over analyze the competition. Just get the site up, backlink it and move on. Go back two months later and see how it's doing. You'll learn so much more from your own mistakes than what you will ever learn from reading how others are doing it.

      Looking at stats and analyzing competition is a great way to waste time that could be spent doing something creative/constructive.
      But not looking at stats and analyzing competition is a great way to waste hundreds of dollars on domains you won't get any traffic for.

      You have to do at least a certain amount of analysis. The question is what are the key things to focus on.

      Obviously you have to have a certain level of search volume for it to be worth it. The real tough part is the competition. So much disagreement over what matters in analyzing it and what doesn't.

      I agree with you not to overanalyze. The question is what is the basic standard level of analysis that's wise. At that point throw up a site and see what happens.
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  • Profile picture of the author the goat
    If you know it then why do you keep asking for someone to walk you through it, I am equally confused. I guess I'm saying if you are using the same technique that was used to get the domains listed above, then you are not good at it. Because most of those domains suck big time.

    Again not being mean, just honest
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    • Profile picture of the author Builder154
      Originally Posted by the goat View Post

      If you know it then why do you keep asking for someone to walk you through it, I am equally confused. I guess I'm saying if you are using the same technique that was used to get the domains listed above, then you are not good at it. Because most of those domains suck big time.

      Again not being mean, just honest
      You really are very confused about a few things and you keep misunderstanding those same things. Let me clarify.

      I understand all the basic terminology and techniques of keyword research meaning I know how to get all the data. What is in question is what to do with that data. Different people have different criteria.

      For instance, Carl only requires 1000 local exact searches. You require 2500.

      What I'm most curious about is your criteria for competition analysis. It clearly differs from what is taught in The Challenge or what Carl teaches. Both of those are more specific in terms of deeper analysis of the top 10, looking for specific numbers and so on. Yours seems more simplified.

      So what I'm trying to do with you is learn how you analyze the data. We are looking at the same data and I know how to get the data and I get the exact same data in my tools as you get in the keyword tool. I've checked that to make sure many times. It pulls directly from the keyword tool.

      So what I'm trying to learn is your method of analysis, not so much your method of getting the data. You may paste 100 keywords into GoDaddy to check domains. I can click one button in MNF and get the exact same data on domain availability. It's irrelevant how we get it. It's the process of analyzing that matters.

      The only other thing that might be interesting is how you choose which seed words to use both at the start and after your initial searches. Again, you might type your seed words into keyword tool and I type them into MNF, but it does the exact same thing. The interesting thing is your thought process. Get it?

      As for Carl, I think you're overly harsh. I believe he is making some good money on these sites. Also I did not just copy the look and feel of his sites. If it helps, just forget Carl for now. I'm interested in learning your method. Then I'll compare it to his and others I know and see what I can take from it.

      I think your method sounds fantastic. I just am not really clear on exactly how you go about seed words and competition analysis. That's really all I'm still a little confused on.
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  • Profile picture of the author the goat
    Ok I get it. I think we were getting lost in semantics for a while. Maybe it would help if you researched a keyword that fits all your criteria and shared it with me and I could tell you if I would use it and why? or why not?
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    • Profile picture of the author Builder154
      Originally Posted by the goat View Post

      Ok I get it. I think we were getting lost in semantics for a while. Maybe it would help if you researched a keyword that fits all your criteria and shared it with me and I could tell you if I would use it and why? or why not?
      Probably quicker if you took the lead on this. As I've mentioned in this thread (pages ago) it took me weeks of research to find a handful of keywords that met Carl's criteria. One of the main reasons I'm anxious to see how you do it is you seem to find them much more easily or your criteria allows you to use ones that Carl's might not.
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      • Profile picture of the author the goat
        Originally Posted by Builder154 View Post

        As I've mentioned in this thread (pages ago) it took me weeks of research to find a handful of keywords that met Carl's criteria. One of the main reasons I'm anxious to see how you do it is you seem to find them much more easily or your criteria allows you to use ones that Carl's might not.
        I did some keyword research this morning and it made me think of this thread. In less than 10 minutes I found keywords with available EMD's with:

        6600 exact local searches and 122,000 "" Google results
        4400 and 78,000
        2900 and 32,000

        No stop words, no long tail, no hyphens, each has two words in the EMD and they are very actionable domains.

        I am just going to say this one more time in the hopes that maybe it gets through to you. If it took you weeks to find keywords that meet Carl's 1,000 exact search criteria, then maybe your tools aren't working?

        I know you will probably respond that we are seeing the same data, but the proof is in the pudding, I could literally find hundreds of keywords in seconds that meet his criteria, but it took you weeks? Something has to be wrong with either your tools, technique or something in your process.
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        • Profile picture of the author spoiledkid01
          Originally Posted by the goat View Post

          I did some keyword research this morning and it made me think of this thread. In less than 10 minutes I found keywords with available EMD's with:

          6600 exact local searches and 122,000 "" Google results
          4400 and 78,000
          2900 and 32,000

          No stop words, no long tail, no hyphens, each has two words in the EMD and they are very actionable domains.

          I am just going to say this one more time in the hopes that maybe it gets through to you. If it took you weeks to find keywords that meet Carl's 1,000 exact search criteria, then maybe your tools aren't working?

          I know you will probably respond that we are seeing the same data, but the proof is in the pudding, I could literally find hundreds of keywords in seconds that meet his criteria, but it took you weeks? Something has to be wrong with either your tools, technique or something in your process.
          What is your tool and technique would you mind sharing please.
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        • Profile picture of the author Builder154
          Originally Posted by the goat View Post

          I did some keyword research this morning and it made me think of this thread. In less than 10 minutes I found keywords with available EMD's with:

          6600 exact local searches and 122,000 "" Google results
          4400 and 78,000
          2900 and 32,000

          No stop words, no long tail, no hyphens, each has two words in the EMD and they are very actionable domains.

          I am just going to say this one more time in the hopes that maybe it gets through to you. If it took you weeks to find keywords that meet Carl's 1,000 exact search criteria, then maybe your tools aren't working?

          I know you will probably respond that we are seeing the same data, but the proof is in the pudding, I could literally find hundreds of keywords in seconds that meet his criteria, but it took you weeks? Something has to be wrong with either your tools, technique or something in your process.
          NO, that's the easy part finding words with search volume and low exact searches. The REST of Carls' criteria are over $1 CPC AND less than 50 SOC in MNF (which is just a measure of competition). I'm even happy to go up to 100 SOC. But it's very hard finding keywords meeting all 4 of those.

          You didn't say a word about the competition on these keywords. That remains the much bigger story here.
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  • Profile picture of the author Builder154
    Update:

    One of the three sites I've made so far with Carl's method doesn't use Adsense, but rather Amazon and another affiliate product. Well yesterday I made $4 from Amazon off that site. It wasn't the product I feature there, but some others someone bought after using my cookie.

    So who knows, maybe throwing these sites out there eventually does pay off in a variety of ways. Will keep updating over time.
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    • Profile picture of the author sonic74
      Originally Posted by Builder154 View Post

      Update:

      One of the three sites I've made so far with Carl's method doesn't use Adsense, but rather Amazon and another affiliate product. Well yesterday I made $4 from Amazon off that site. It wasn't the product I feature there, but some others someone bought after using my cookie.

      So who knows, maybe throwing these sites out there eventually does pay off in a variety of ways. Will keep updating over time.
      congrats on your sale....do you using amazon astore or you just have articles with reviews ?

      So you got something here.....keep building more sites and backlinks
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      • Profile picture of the author Builder154
        Originally Posted by sonic74 View Post

        congrats on your sale....do you using amazon astore or you just have articles with reviews ?

        So you got something here.....keep building more sites and backlinks
        No I just use Amazon links within the text, as well as sometimes I'll put an image ad linking to Amazon. I always make sure these are marked to tell the viewer clicking the image will take them to Amazon since Amazon does not like cloaked links. And also make sure you have Amazon's little notice on your site so it's clear that you are promoting Amazon and nobody is being tricked which can get your Amazon affiliate account in trouble.
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  • Profile picture of the author grim789
    That is awesome keep up the awesome work thanks for sharing. Im hoping to get started makig some good cash this way myself.
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  • Profile picture of the author Chrisbroholm
    Remember also Builder, there's a failure rate for even the very best! I think Adsense Flippers reported around 20% of their created sites make NOTHING. So if you only made 3 sites there's a fair chance they they were either failures or low earners, and to be honest since we are all new to this your failure rate is probably higher than 20%.

    The method works fine, just keep building sites. Eventually you'll hit a winner :-)
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  • Profile picture of the author amyaselia
    Very motivational post! Enjoyed reading it, keep up the good work!
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  • Profile picture of the author bkat52
    Originally Posted by exp0sed View Post

    Builder154 -

    Perhaps it would help if you could see some of Carls sites. Compare yours with his and see what you're doing wrong. Here's a list of some of his most recent:


    Are yours anything like this? To be honest - I don't believe he makes anywhere near what he says with sites like these.
    Perhaps. But still this is d-bag thing to do. Leave it to Carl to decide if his sites get shared. I don't wish you bad for what you did, but karma has its ways.

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  • Profile picture of the author east_coast_alex
    Dude! What a cool story. I'm working on what I hope to be my first profitable site, so it's great to see that a fellow warrior has made it. Well done and thanks for sharing!
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  • Profile picture of the author wilsonm
    What is the name of this Wordpress theme used by Carl?
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    • Profile picture of the author the goat
      Originally Posted by Builder154 View Post

      Probably quicker if you took the lead on this. As I've mentioned in this thread (pages ago) it took me weeks of research to find a handful of keywords that met Carl's criteria. One of the main reasons I'm anxious to see how you do it is you seem to find them much more easily or your criteria allows you to use ones that Carl's might not.
      Other than straight telling you exactly what I do on the technical side, how I decide the subjective part and what niches I love is something I would probably rather leave in PMs.

      Originally Posted by Builder154 View Post

      Update:

      One of the three sites I've made so far with Carl's method doesn't use Adsense, but rather Amazon and another affiliate product. Well yesterday I made $4 from Amazon off that site. It wasn't the product I feature there, but some others someone bought after using my cookie.

      So who knows, maybe throwing these sites out there eventually does pay off in a variety of ways. Will keep updating over time.
      There you go, let it tell you what it wants to be.

      Originally Posted by CatherineMay View Post

      Goat, I have a couple of questions on my own. In post #834, you say never use stop words in your domains. I've never heard this term before; can you please explain what this means?

      Also in post #834, you say you build 10 or so social bookmarking links per site. But am I correct in understanding that you only do this after you have chosen a site to develop out and after it has started to get some traffic on its own? In other words, this is a step you take when you decide to make a site attractive, monetize it, and add more content?
      Stop words are words google ignores, here's a link Online SEO Guide: Google Stop Words - A Comprehensive List Of Words Google Ignores

      Yes, I only add social bookmarks to sites I am going forward with, you can outsource this pretty cheap, just make absolutely sure that whoever you hire does it manually and has good text.
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  • Profile picture of the author alcbiz
    WOW found this great thread when looking for best adsense theme.
    I have been trying to find my way with adsense for years and never really focused and made any money just maybe my best site $1 a day and worst is 0 averages. I keep jumping around and never focus on a plan.

    I would hope some of you could help since I see there are good andsense earners here and would help with my questions.

    These questions probably have been answered already but wowo 18 page thread and growing so sorry if already answered.

    * What are some of the good free adsense themes?
    * Is it bad to use too many plugins I use all in one seo or the platinum one, a legal page plugin that creates privacy and disclaimer, a adrotator, list builder, simple google xml cannot remember exact name and about another 10 that I cannot think of now?

    * One thing I know I am doing wrong is probably adding too many ads whats a good ratio?

    * I noticed about some of the sites you guys have do not look too nice flat just the 3 adsense ads and simple article no good looking banners or image sliders or logo really simple. Is it bad to make it too fancy with nice slider and banners?

    * Is it ok to mix sites for adsens, amazon and ebay or should we just stick to adsense alone with just maybe one ad somewhere for one of the others?

    Thanks.
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    • Profile picture of the author the goat
      Originally Posted by alcbiz View Post


      * What are some of the good free adsense themes?
      There are a ton of variables here. It really depends on what your site is, but there are thousands of them. If you are asking what theme to build an MFA site, then someone else will have to chime in because that's not my strategy.

      * Is it bad to use too many plugins I use all in one seo or the platinum one, a legal page plugin that creates privacy and disclaimer, a adrotator, list builder, simple google xml cannot remember exact name and about another 10 that I cannot think of now?
      Less is better for speed and avoiding compatibility problems. For basic sites I use four. YOAST SEO, Google XML sitemaps, contact form and a social media sharing plugin (Facebook share, Twitter, Google +1 etc. buttons). If you need more functionality by all means use more. I have a few sites with over 20, it all depends on what you need.

      * One thing I know I am doing wrong is probably adding too many ads whats a good ratio?
      I keep it to three different ones total per page, Google allows more than that but here's the thing. The highest paying ads are displayed first, then the cheaper and cheaper, so if you have a ton of ads on a page, some of them will be very low paying ads. If you minimize the number of ads, the more likely the ones getting clicked are higher paying.

      * I noticed about some of the sites you guys have do not look too nice flat just the 3 adsense ads and simple article no good looking banners or image sliders or logo really simple. Is it bad to make it too fancy with nice slider and banners?
      Sites like that are called MFA sites (made for adsense) When sites like that come up for manual reviews they get banned from the program. The upside of sites like that is that they tend to have a high click rate. This is because people know immediately that they are junk so they bounce, and sometimes they bounce via an Adsense ad. You will get many different answers on this one. My personal opinion is to build good looking sites with helpful content.

      * Is it ok to mix sites for adsens, amazon and ebay or should we just stick to adsense alone with just maybe one ad somewhere for one of the others?
      It is perfectly fine to do that, just try not to make your site look like a huge advertisement with some words in the middle. The ads should look like an afterthought, not the sole purpose for the sites existence.

      Thanks.
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  • Profile picture of the author alcbiz
    Thanks goat for clear and helpful info.
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  • Profile picture of the author ashishvas
    Your thread gives a lot of inspiration to newbies like me. I am new in this field and i hope to make my business a successful one
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  • Profile picture of the author Simon74
    Well done Carl. For any newbies the system does work, i have been using a similar approach myself with great results. In regards to LSI kw's you guys could use this site below:

    Latent Semantic Indexing

    Just search for the kw you will be using for your article(s) and the tool will take all the LSI kw's from the top 5 site in Google. So now you know which are the winning LSI kw's to go after and get plenty of free organic traffic.

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  • Profile picture of the author conners88
    learned a lot from this thread, took a couple of days of reading but well worth it. I plan on implementing some of these ideas with everything I already know. People pay a fortune for the info given here.
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  • Profile picture of the author the goat
    CPC

    $2.82
    $2.54
    $2.07

    As for competition I have tried to tell you, but for some reason you refuse to believe it. I check the top ten for an authority site based around the keyword. I may manually check a couple of the top ten to see what kind of SEO they have to make sure I can do better.

    I'll bow out of this thread now as you seem to only want advice if it is in line with what you already believe to be true.

    My last bit of advice to you before I check out would be to look into the tools you are using and make absolutely sure that they update their databases often enough that you aren't say 30 days behind what is happening in real time with Google, a month is an eternity on the internet.

    Also, tools, just like any computer are only as good as the information you provide them with. Where experience and intuition come in are the niches and keywords you start with, try and think outside the box and search in niches that have value but aren't saturated. Tools have no intuition or common sense.

    I truly wish you the best of luck because you seem to have the one thing that most don't and that is the drive and ability to take action and get things done, I just hope that you don't put all your eggs in a basket named MicroNiche or whatever tool is supposedly automating the single most important thing when it comes to niche sites... research.
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    • Profile picture of the author Builder154
      Originally Posted by the goat View Post

      CPC

      $2.82
      $2.54
      $2.07

      As for competition I have tried to tell you, but for some reason you refuse to believe it. I check the top ten for an authority site based around the keyword. I may manually check a couple of the top ten to see what kind of SEO they have to make sure I can do better.

      I'll bow out of this thread now as you seem to only want advice if it is in line with what you already believe to be true.

      My last bit of advice to you before I check out would be to look into the tools you are using and make absolutely sure that they update their databases often enough that you aren't say 30 days behind what is happening in real time with Google, a month is an eternity on the internet.

      Also, tools, just like any computer are only as good as the information you provide them with. Where experience and intuition come in are the niches and keywords you start with, try and think outside the box and search in niches that have value but aren't saturated. Tools have no intuition or common sense.

      I truly wish you the best of luck because you seem to have the one thing that most don't and that is the drive and ability to take action and get things done, I just hope that you don't put all your eggs in a basket named MicroNiche or whatever tool is supposedly automating the single most important thing when it comes to niche sites... research.
      Unfortunately no idea if you'll come back to read this. But it's remarkable how you continuously misunderstand me.

      I never doubted your process. I've been WAITING TO HEAR your process. I've asked you repeatedly to show us exactly how you analyze a top 10. I'm still waiting for that. I never said I don't agree with how you do it. I asked to see how you do it so I could try it.

      Once again you posted about finding a bunch of great keywords, but you left out any explanation of your competition analysis so I could see it.

      As for the comments on tools, I don't know how many times I can explain this again. The tool gets the data DIRECTLY from google. Yes I have checked it multiple times and it is exactly the same data. It takes a couple minutes to do a search as it goes out and GETS the data. It's not using any stored archived data.

      On top of that I use not just one but TWO different tools and make sure they agree. And, once again, I have repeatedly checked them both and they work. These are tools used by thousands of very high level webmasters. They're very reliable. And I'm not naive and just trust that.

      The entire discussion about tools is a total distraction. Some people may use bad tools. That is not an issue here.

      This comes down to one thing only. You keep saying you find lots of good keywords you can rank for. I ask you to show us how you do competition analysis. And you give a vague answer like "I look if there is an authority site." That tells us nothing since we don't know your definition of an authority site without some examples. But it is misleading to act like it's so easy to find tons of good niches, while leaving out competition in your explanation.
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  • Profile picture of the author NicheSiteLab
    the goat speaks the truth.. I don't use tools for research (other than the GKWT). a tool can look at numbers.. but has no clue on what is fashionable, actionable, or will start trending next month!


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    • Profile picture of the author Builder154
      Originally Posted by NicheSiteLab View Post

      the goat speaks the truth.. I don't use tools for research (other than the GKWT). a tool can look at numbers.. but has no clue on what is fashionable, actionable, or will start trending next month!


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      Google Keyword Tool doesn't tell you what's fashionable either. So what goat said has nothing to do with what you said. Regardless which tool you use, it's still on your own creativity to determine which seed words to look for.

      The discussion with goat is all about one thing - competition analysis. It has nothing to do with whether a tool can tell you what to search for.
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    • Profile picture of the author Builder154
      Originally Posted by the goat View Post

      It is amazing how deeply you continue to defend his system, how much has this system made you so far? I am not being vague, I am telling you that I don't care what "system" you use. AUTOMATED TOOLS WILL MISS THINGS. Do I have to beg you to believe me?

      It is like beating my head against a brick wall, there is more to it than a system. There is no magic bullet, not step by step system using tools, that will work. You have to come up with domain niches manually IT WILL MAKE A DIFFERENCE.

      This system that you are blindly defending of checking the comp with MNF, let me ask one question? How much have you made using it?

      You know what they say... "Crazy is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. In short... Find keywords with higher searches and stop analyzing the competition with MNF and when it starts to rank analyze your traffic keywords and attack them with new posts. I swear it works, promise, with a cherry on top. My inability to get through to you on this is one of the more frustrating things that's happened to me in a long time. You have so much potential, forget "Carl's system", it is making you now money. Inject intuition and common sense into your research and the sky is the limit.
      I'm not defending anything!! I'm explaining to you what Carl's criteria are and that it's been difficult to find keywords matching all his criteria. PERIOD. I never said "Carl's method is perfect." I never said anything about how good or bad his system is. I simply told you my results in trying to find keywords matching his criteria. (You do realize you're in a thread all about his method so is it really so shocking that that just happens to be the starting point?) In fact, the reason I am interested in your system is that I've found his difficult. Why you come out of it thinking I'm defending his system is beyond me to figure out. I don't doubt he is doing well with it, though I have no idea for sure. But I am still quite open to other ideas which is why I'm talking to you about this.

      Stop talking about tools. I don't even want to talk about tools. We are not going to agree on it and it isn't the issue at hand.

      The issue at hand is how you do competition analysis. I just sent two posts all about questioning how YOU do competition analysis - not how Carl does it, how YOU do it. And you come back with a several paragraph response....and again don't explain your competition analysis.

      You say to stop using MNF to check the SOC, which is all well and good. But yet again you do not show how you do competition analysis to decide whether to go after a keyword even though that's really the only thing I'm still trying to learn here. You mentioned you found several keywords worth going after earlier, and you show on the search volume side why they are worth going after, but you still haven't shown why they are worth going after on the competition side.
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  • Profile picture of the author the goat
    It is amazing how deeply you continue to defend his system, how much has this system made you so far? How's it working out?

    I am not being vague, I am telling you that I don't care what "system" you use says. AUTOMATED TOOLS WILL MISS THINGS. Do I have to beg you to believe me?

    It is like beating my head against a brick wall, there is more to it than a system. There is no magic bullet, no step by step system using tools, that will work. You have to come up with domain niches manually IT WILL MAKE A DIFFERENCE. Use your own head, intuition and tweak things, then decide what YOUR system will become. No man can just follow some other system to a T, anyone will tell you that, you need to adapt, try new things, carve your own way, not everything is black and white, there is subjectivity when choosing domains.

    This system that you are blindly defending of checking the comp with MNF, let me ask one question? How much have you made using it?

    You know what they say... "Crazy is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results".

    In short... Find keywords with higher searches and stop analyzing the competition with MNF and use your own intuition. When it starts to rank analyze your traffic keywords and attack them with new posts. I swear it works, promise, with a cherry on top.

    My inability to get through to you on this is one of the more frustrating things that's happened to me in a long time. You have so much potential, forget "Carl's system", it is making you no money. Inject intuition and common sense into your research and the sky is the limit.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ctscott860
    Keep this thread goin!!!!! Lol this thread isa WSO in itsself ive learned soo much
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    • Profile picture of the author conners88
      Originally Posted by Ctscott860 View Post

      Keep this thread goin!!!!! Lol this thread isa WSO in itsself ive learned soo much
      Totally agree!

      Originally Posted by Builder154 View Post

      I'm not defending anything!! I'm explaining to you what Carl's criteria are and that it's been difficult to find keywords matching all his criteria. PERIOD. I never said "Carl's method is perfect." I never said anything about how good or bad his system is. I simply told you my results in trying to find keywords matching his criteria. (You do realize you're in a thread all about his method so is it really so shocking that that just happens to be the starting point?) In fact, the reason I am interested in your system is that I've found his difficult. Why you come out of it thinking I'm defending his system is beyond me to figure out. I don't doubt he is doing well with it, though I have no idea for sure. But I am still quite open to other ideas which is why I'm talking to you about this.
      I think the thing with selecting Keywords is so subjective (you do what works for you), it is something that comes with time, you start to generate a better feel for things. In the beginning you just have to get on and do it. Make the mistakes and learn from them.
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      • Profile picture of the author Builder154
        Originally Posted by conners88 View Post

        I think the thing with selecting Keywords is so subjective (you do what works for you), it is something that comes with time, you start to generate a better feel for things. In the beginning you just have to get on and do it. Make the mistakes and learn from them.
        I agree with this in general. But you can certainly speed up your learning curve by trying methods others are using and testing them out against each other. It takes practice to get a good feel. But there is no reason not to improve your practice by learning from others what might be most important to work on.
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    • Profile picture of the author shiraangel
      First of all - Great Freaking Post !

      Carl you gave so much people here motivation , its great ! i opened a few MNS sites now cuz of you .. (till now only hustling in my language)

      started a fire, but i really couldnt find the real bullet points of your method, in a way, ill just ask a few questions -

      -
      Whats next ?

      so lets say you put out 10 sites, 3 rank very well , 3 average the rest are pure **** , what do you do? add content & categories to the winnings ? more off site seo ?

      it will be interesting to know your game play from the starting point forward.

      - General multi MNS problems ?
      what is your strategy from avoiding the eyes of the G ? it feels spooky for me to have more then x sites on same hosting , especially MNS. do you use different c class ip hosting ? or any other recommendations regarding the topic ?
      for me its weired to think of adsense paying me on 50 mns sites .
      (maybe counter intuitive)

      - tracking, monitoring, and configuring
      i assume you choose different designs (of CTR theme) for each site, and ad layouts etc ..
      what is your best practice about that ? just choosing and set it to go ?
      you do not see which sites are converting, and want to convert more with them ? (by changing themes etc..)
      dont you tweak sites a bit according to performance ? plug-ins etc..
      also would like to hear your best practice using CTR theme - which layouts , pulldown ,ad places etc..


      I do really hope you will answer my silly questions, if not, im surely gonna find out myself with time , but im interested in your (proven) opinion.

      Thank You Carl for the great post , i loved goat responses , and wanted to clear something out -

      Every thing Ive learned in life,
      came to a point where if you prefect a field, you realize most good actions you make are Counter Intuitive . With women , business , IM and everything !

      (in response to the person fighting with goat )
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  • Profile picture of the author artikel33
    Great and inspiring thread..I just wonder is this strategy(especially the link building) is safe for google penguin algorithm..?
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  • Profile picture of the author dakar
    Builder.

    What worries me is that Carl (the OP) hasn't posted in over a month. Maybe his linking method got penalized by google?
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    • Profile picture of the author Builder154
      Originally Posted by dakar View Post

      Builder.

      What worries me is that Carl (the OP) hasn't posted in over a month. Maybe his linking method got penalized by google?
      He did post on his blog. But yeah he hasn't posted here in a while. I have no idea what's happening with him.
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  • Profile picture of the author bloomingrose
    Builder154 - just show him one of the domains already. You are not making money and he is.
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    • Profile picture of the author Builder154
      Originally Posted by bloomingrose View Post

      Builder154 - just show him one of the domains already. You are not making money and he is.
      If he's the one making money it's HIS sites we need to see not mine But I don't even need to see his sites. I just want to see his competition analysis method (speaking of goat here).
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      • Profile picture of the author TryBPO
        I love the fact that the conversation has been focused on competition research. It SOUNDS awfully simple, but is extremely subjective and can be hard to wrap your head around. I really don't believe there's a perfect system...or a right/wrong way to do it for that matter.

        We base our competition research on what we believe we can or cannot get ranked for based on our "system". If our system were more robust, our keyword research could/should change to go after more aggressive keywords. Hell...we'd have to because our off-page SEO costs would go up and we'd have to target niches that are worth more $$.

        For our BEST tips on keyword research for our process, check out our podcast on the subject:

        Episode 15 AdSense Flippers Podcast: Keyword Research - First Page Analysis | AdSense Flippers

        If you've got a bit more time, our webinar replay goes through some actual examples of keywords that are available and that we would target using our process:

        Building A Niche Site Empire Guide | AdSense Flippers

        As I said, we're currently working on a tool that takes the subjective reasons from both Joe and I and tries to find the "winners" for us to pick/purchase each week. This is a far-from-easy thing to do. Still...if we get it right, it will save Joe and I a considerable amount of time each week in choosing keywords and determining competition analysis.

        Someone mentioned that this is such a subjective process that it would be hard for a tool to do this. When we started this project I was in agreement...thinking this tool we're creating would be (at best) 50-60% as effective as we are manually checking competition.

        There's something I was missing, though. Joe and I have our biases. We miss stuff. While a tool won't be able to pick up on some of the nuances, it WON'T have some of the problems we have. (bias, getting lazy towards the end, etc.)
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      • Profile picture of the author the goat
        Originally Posted by Builder154 View Post

        If he's the one making money it's HIS sites we need to see not mine But I don't even need to see his sites. I just want to see his competition analysis method (speaking of goat here).
        How many times can someone answer the same question? Is there an authority site? If not good. Then just use common sense, compare a few top ten results with your skills. Can you do better SEO than #5? If yes then you can become number four.

        You seem WAY to worried about competition, you are using keywords with 1,000 exact searches. I could rank isuckatseo.ass for any keyword that gets that many searches.

        Take "golf shoes" for example, no idea why it popped into my head but I'm sure it gets way more than 1,000 searches and guess what is number 7?

        Golf Shoes Blog - the Home of Golf Shoes News, Views & Reviews

        A three word two hyphen domain for a simple blog? Point is you can rank anything for anything, you keep looking for low search keywords with zero competition you aren't ever going to make ****... like never.

        If there was a system where you could just plug in data and adsense money just spit out the other end then everyone would be rich and laying on the beach. You are searching for the holy grail, there is no system, use the best computer in the world, the human brain.
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        • Profile picture of the author Builder154
          Originally Posted by the goat View Post

          How many times can someone answer the same question? Is there an authority site?
          How many times can someone AVOID answering the same question.

          What do you consider to be an authority site exactly. An exact definition.

          Originally Posted by the goat View Post

          Can you do better SEO than #5? If yes then you can become number four.
          But how do you KNOW if you can do better SEO than #5?

          Originally Posted by the goat View Post

          You seem WAY to worried about competition
          Only me and every single other business person I've ever seen or heard of - other than you I guess.

          Originally Posted by the goat View Post

          you are using keywords with 1,000 exact searches
          No that's just the MINIMUM. I would hope to find keywords with far more searches than that.

          Originally Posted by the goat View Post

          Take "golf shoes" for example, no idea why it popped into my head but I'm sure it gets way more than 1,000 searches and guess what is number 7?

          Golf Shoes Blog - the Home of Golf Shoes News, Views & Reviews
          I don't see that blog anywhere in the top ten for "golf shoes". Are you sure you're using the non-personalized results?

          Originally Posted by the goat View Post

          Point is you can rank anything for anything
          Yes you can....if you want to spend endless hours at ranking one site. With lower competition you can rank much easier.

          Since I am more of a newbie who hasn't made as much money yet at this as I have spent time studying it's easy to put down my focus on competition. But look at people like Adsense Flippers who keep posting in this thread. They make a lot more than you probably do at this. And they focus extensively on competition AND are trying to make their focus on it more systematic, not less. There is a very good reason for that.

          Originally Posted by the goat View Post

          If there was a system where you could just plug in data and adsense money just spit out the other end then everyone would be rich and laying on the beach. You are searching for the holy grail, there is no system, use the best computer in the world, the human brain.
          Not true. A system isn't a guarantee of what works on every site. It is something that works a certain % of the time so you hone it and make a lot of sites knowing you'll only get a certain amount that pay off. And even if a system worked, most people either don't know about it or don't have the persistence to put in all the grunt work.
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  • Profile picture of the author the goat
    Think of it this way, you are using keywords that get 1,000 searches and have zero competition. Maybe they have no competition for a reason?

    Because nobody wants them, they don't make money.

    Would you open a restaurant based on this criteria? You'd end up with a Falafel stand in a Chinese neighborhood in Alabama.
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    • Profile picture of the author Builder154
      Originally Posted by the goat View Post

      Think of it this way, you are using keywords that get 1,000 searches and have zero competition. Maybe they have no competition for a reason?

      Because nobody wants them, they don't make money.

      Would you open a restaurant based on this criteria? You'd end up with a Falafel stand in a Chinese neighborhood in Alabama.
      You continue to prove yourself a terrible listener/reader. Nobody said we go after keywords with 1000 searches and 0 competition. We said we go after keywords with AT LEAST 1000 searches and less than a CERTAIN THRESHHOLD of competition (and that threshhold is not 0).

      Also, there are multiple reasons a keyword can have low competition. It can be because it's a bad keyword. It could also be because you found a gem that others haven't caught on to. Also there are so many different keywords in different niches, it's inevitable ones just get overlooked by chance.

      Really at this point the only thing I want from this discussion is a clearer idea of how you do competition. Saying "Is there an authority site?" does not allow a person coming to this from scratch to decipher quite what you're doing. If you want to share, then detail that analysis of authority sites, what you think they are, where you look for them, how you decide based on what you see and so on. If you don't want to then don't. Not sure what else to say to you at this point.
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  • Profile picture of the author jpboxersox
    Not that I want to see his sights but How in the Hell did someone find his sights..I have privacy on my sights hope that helps
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  • Profile picture of the author the goat
    I am a bad listener? Holy **** man I had you all wrong, I only entered this discussion because I got the vibe that you really were willing to learn and put in the work. Now I realize that you are just looking for someone to lay it all out for you on a silver platter. You want the Mad Libs version of the book where you can just insert your own cute little adjectives and think you are actually creating something.

    You keep demanding that people only teach you in the exact way you want to be taught and then you have the balls to tell people who have actually done what you dream of doing that they are wrong because you read different in a thread about ****ty adsense sites with crappy keywords? I have spent a ridiculous amount of time trying to help you only to find out that you think you are entitled to something because you made four bucks on Amazon.

    You speak in absolutes like: "there are multiple reasons a keyword can have low competition. It can be because it's a bad keyword. It could also be because you found a gem that others haven't caught on to. Also there are so many different keywords in different niches, it's inevitable ones just get overlooked by chance.". Oh yeah? What qualifies you to say any facts about keywords? How much have you made off of the most successful one you have ever picked? You say **** like "the only thing I want from this discussion is..." blah blah blah. How have you become so righteous and demanding I wonder? Because you have mastered Carl's system of making $0.38 online?

    You say "Nobody said we go after keywords with 1000 searches and 0 competition. We said we go after keywords with AT LEAST 1000 searches and less than a CERTAIN THRESHHOLD of competition (and that threshhold is not 0)." and I have to wonder... Who is we? You and the mouse in your pocket?

    You sure are smug for someone who hasn't done a thing to be successful. You know what, you are failing and you are going to continue to fail because you are delusional. Good luck following all these "systems" and trying to feed off the scraps of successful money makers (or in your case un-successful ones that are full of ****) because you can't think for yourself or work without all these magical automated tools.

    I would be willing to bet that you will never, ever make a living online, simply because you lack the one quality that every successful entrepreneur has, the ability to blaze your own trail, adapt and make things happen. Good luck bouncing from one "system" to another. If Internet Marketing is Rock and Roll, you my friend are a cover band playing someone else's music in a Motel Six lounge.
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    • Profile picture of the author Builder154
      Originally Posted by the goat View Post

      I am a bad listener? Holy **** man I had you all wrong, I only entered this discussion because I got the vibe that you really were willing to learn and put in the work. Now I realize that you are just looking for someone to lay it all out for you on a silver platter. You want the Mad Libs version of the book where you can just insert your own cute little adjectives and think you are actually creating something.

      You keep demanding that people only teach you in the exact way you want to be taught and then you have the balls to tell people who have actually done what you dream of doing that they are wrong because you read different in a thread about ****ty adsense sites with crappy keywords? I have spent a ridiculous amount of time trying to help you only to find out that you think you are entitled to something because you made four bucks on Amazon.

      You speak in absolutes like: "there are multiple reasons a keyword can have low competition. It can be because it's a bad keyword. It could also be because you found a gem that others haven't caught on to. Also there are so many different keywords in different niches, it's inevitable ones just get overlooked by chance.". Oh yeah? What qualifies you to say any facts about keywords? How much have you made off of the most successful one you have ever picked? You say **** like "the only thing I want from this discussion is..." blah blah blah. How have you become so righteous and demanding I wonder? Because you have mastered Carl's system of making $0.38 online?

      You say "Nobody said we go after keywords with 1000 searches and 0 competition. We said we go after keywords with AT LEAST 1000 searches and less than a CERTAIN THRESHHOLD of competition (and that threshhold is not 0)." and I have to wonder... Who is we? You and the mouse in your pocket?

      You sure are smug for someone who hasn't done a thing to be successful. You know what, you are failing and you are going to continue to fail because you are delusional. Good luck following all these "systems" and trying to feed off the scraps of successful money makers (or in your case un-successful ones that are full of ****) because you can't think for yourself or work without all these magical automated tools.

      I would be willing to bet that you will never, ever make a living online, simply because you lack the one quality that every successful entrepreneur has, the ability to blaze your own trail, adapt and make things happen. Good luck bouncing from one "system" to another. If Internet Marketing is Rock and Roll, you my friend are a cover band playing someone else's music in a Motel Six lounge.
      1) Way to continue to avoid answering the question of how you do competition analysis. I'm starting to think you actually don't even know what you're talking about since you dodge and weave to avoid ever explaining how you do it. Or you give some vague answer like "See if there is an authority site" which is completely unactionable without more explanation.

      2) You claim that since I haven't made much yet nothing I say is valid. Since you think credibility is based on how much you've made, that's why I referred you to the guys from Adsense Flippers. Multiple times they have posted in this thread and explained the importance of competition research and how much time they put into making it into *ahem* a system. And guess what - they also use all those "magical" automated tools that do nothing but get the exact same data you get manually. So who are you to tell them they're wrong when they are having more success than you? Using your own logic, you should be listening to what they say since they make more than you. And there are tons more people who make a lot more than you do at this that all spend a lot of time focused on competition analysis and use the same automated tools. So it is hypocritical for you to bash me for not just going along with your completely vague ideas on competition just because you make more than me when you don't obviously listen to the people who make more than you.

      It's also especially hypocritical because on one hand you tell me the most important thing is to blaze my own trail and then you have a fit whenever I don't just listen to what you say and actually question you.

      3) Seriously at this point I'm doubting your entire claims of how much you make. Nobody successful at this gets so offended when a person simply asks them to detail how they do competition analysis. Anybody in this industry knows it's a perfectly legitimate and important question. We can all see that I've tried numerous times to stop your endless tangents and focus you on just explaining how you assess competition and you find a way every time to avoid answering. There's something fishy about the entire way you respond.

      Nothing more I can say. If you had any real thoughts on competition analysis I would have liked to hear them, but obviously that is not going to happen.
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      • Profile picture of the author nik0
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        Let's be nice to each other boys, this forum is such a joyfull place, don't ruin it

        How you doing Carl? Sites still going strong, already doubled the income? Love to hear succes stories, you're one of the few success stories that sounds legit without hiding things like costs and what it took to get it where you are!
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        • Profile picture of the author PhilJensen
          We should get these guys in a ring!!!

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      • Profile picture of the author the goat
        Originally Posted by Builder154 View Post

        1) Way to continue to avoid answering the question of how you do competition analysis. I'm starting to think you actually don't even know what you're talking about since you dodge and weave to avoid ever explaining how you do it. Or you give some vague answer like "See if there is an authority site" which is completely unactionable without more explanation.
        Interesting, but if you read my posts I've explained it in detail, including how I gauge an authority site and how I compare other sites SEO to what I am capable of. You just can't wrap your head around it because you are so green that you don't know an authority site from an MFA site unless some Micro Samurai Tool tells you what is what and you wouldn't know SEO if it fell on your head.

        Since you think credibility is based on how much you've made, that's why I referred you to the guys from Adsense Flippers. Multiple times they have posted in this thread and explained the importance of competition research and how much time they put into making it into *ahem* a system.
        Here is a direct quote from The Adsense Flippers guys last post in this thread:

        I love the fact that the conversation has been focused on competition research. It SOUNDS awfully simple, but is extremely subjective and can be hard to wrap your head around. I really don't believe there's a perfect system...
        Maybe you should read that again. Because they said the EXACT opposite you claimed they said. No seriously read it again, it is actually amazing how unbelievably incorrect you were and it only proves that you hear ONLY what you want to hear. In hindsight it is actually amazing how similar what I kept saying is to what they said, you'd almost think we both knew what we were talking about.

        Seriously at this point I'm doubting your entire claims of how much you make.
        Could you do me a favor and go back and show exactly where it was that I claimed to make any certain amount? I'll wait.

        Anybody in this industry knows it's a perfectly legitimate and important question.
        Do you consider yourself to be "in this industry"? What exactly have you done that makes you "in this industry"?

        It is painfully obvious to anyone that reads this thread that I came in and remained extremely humble. Spoke only from experience and lent myself to help you out because I saw your struggles and wanted the best for you. You have since proven yourself to be a total brat who doesn't know when you are being given an opportunity to be helped.
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        • Profile picture of the author Builder154
          Sorry goat but I'm done with this conversation. There are so many misstatements and misquotes and falsehoods in your posts and every one I correct just leads to more of them. I'm bowing out. Others can read the thread and judge for themselves what they think.

          Now, anyone else want to discuss how they do competition analysis? And thanks to Adsense Flippers for their input on that, including how they are building a tool to systematize competition analysis because, as they said, it at first seems too subjective, but upon second thought they realized that a tool helps you not miss things you otherwise would miss - one of the great benefits, of course, of using well honed tools.

          This is exactly the tough thing I've run into. MNF has the SOC and MOB. Market Samurai has its green lines. And actually I've had pretty good luck with the sites I've made that met their criteria. But I still think there are sites that could rank that those tools would tell you not to go after.

          I'm very curious what Adsense Flipppers' tool is going to be based on and how it will determine what to go after.
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    • Profile picture of the author NicheSiteLab
      Originally Posted by the goat View Post

      I am a bad listener? Holy **** man I had you all wrong, I only entered this discussion because I got the vibe that you really were willing to learn and put in the work. Now I realize that you are just looking for someone to lay it all out for you on a silver platter. You want the Mad Libs version of the book where you can just insert your own cute little adjectives and think you are actually creating something.

      You keep demanding that people only teach you in the exact way you want to be taught and then you have the balls to tell people who have actually done what you dream of doing that they are wrong because you read different in a thread about ****ty adsense sites with crappy keywords? I have spent a ridiculous amount of time trying to help you only to find out that you think you are entitled to something because you made four bucks on Amazon.

      You speak in absolutes like: "there are multiple reasons a keyword can have low competition. It can be because it's a bad keyword. It could also be because you found a gem that others haven't caught on to. Also there are so many different keywords in different niches, it's inevitable ones just get overlooked by chance.". Oh yeah? What qualifies you to say any facts about keywords? How much have you made off of the most successful one you have ever picked? You say **** like "the only thing I want from this discussion is..." blah blah blah. How have you become so righteous and demanding I wonder? Because you have mastered Carl's system of making $0.38 online?

      You say "Nobody said we go after keywords with 1000 searches and 0 competition. We said we go after keywords with AT LEAST 1000 searches and less than a CERTAIN THRESHHOLD of competition (and that threshhold is not 0)." and I have to wonder... Who is we? You and the mouse in your pocket?

      You sure are smug for someone who hasn't done a thing to be successful. You know what, you are failing and you are going to continue to fail because you are delusional. Good luck following all these "systems" and trying to feed off the scraps of successful money makers (or in your case un-successful ones that are full of ****) because you can't think for yourself or work without all these magical automated tools.

      I would be willing to bet that you will never, ever make a living online, simply because you lack the one quality that every successful entrepreneur has, the ability to blaze your own trail, adapt and make things happen. Good luck bouncing from one "system" to another. If Internet Marketing is Rock and Roll, you my friend are a cover band playing someone else's music in a Motel Six lounge.
      best post I've read in a long time.. thanks for the laugh goat, you crack me up!
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      • Profile picture of the author Builder154
        Originally Posted by NicheSiteLab View Post

        best post I've read in a long time.. thanks for the laugh goat, you crack me up!
        Too bad all his laughs come from false assumptions and misquotes. It's easy to make funny retorts when you don't have to be accurate in reflecting what the other person actually said. Goat is a king of straw man arguments.
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  • Profile picture of the author the goat
    OK, sounds good. I just hope for your sake that you get more milk suckling from the Adsense Flippers teet than you did from Carl's.

    Just remember, there are two types of people in this world, the ones who make good money and develop their own systems and the ones who buy them hoping to feed on the crumbs.

    Someday you will realize that I tell you this to help you and not to hurt you.

    P.S. I bet when it comes to their own sites they won't use the tool they are smart enough to build.
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    • Profile picture of the author Builder154
      Once again so many false assumptions in your statements. Good day to you sir.
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  • Profile picture of the author the goat
    A very simple question would be to ask the Adsense Flipper guys if they think that the tool they develop will be as good at choosing keywords as they are themselves.

    What do you think the answer to that question would be?
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    • Profile picture of the author Builder154
      Originally Posted by the goat View Post

      A very simple question would be to ask the Adsense Flipper guys if they think that the tool they develop will be as good at choosing keywords as they are themselves.

      What do you think the answer to that question would be?
      They already answered that. They said it balances it out because both manual and automated have pros and cons. You always focus on the pros of manual, but as the AF guys mentioned, manual also has downsides, such as getting fatigued, bias, your eyes skipping over something and so on. Machines don't miss things in those ways.

      I don't really understand why you seem to be living in the 19th century though. Perhaps early on calculators were not as good as humans. Eventually, they become far more reliable. The funniest part about all this is that all these algorithms we're trying to game, and which you say must be gamed manually, are themselves automated. Google will come in and layer a little bit of manual review on top, just as I will glance at manual things to double check. But Google doesn't think these things should be done manually. They know that automated tools that are well developed are far more reliable.
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  • Profile picture of the author the goat
    Let's say there are two students learning mathematics. The first one is taught what the number two represents and what the number four represents, and is then taught what combining two and four means on a fundamental level and what the combination of those two numbers equals.

    The second student learns how to press the button 2, the button + and the button 4 on a calculator.

    They both get six, but which one has a better understanding of mathematics?

    These are the basic fundamentals of education, but by all means, skip it, shortcuts are the easiest way. Bottom line is that everyone but you seems to agree that keywords are as much subjective as they are objective but you. The first time you find a domain that just kills it and gets you the traffic and money you want, that's when you'll get it. When it happens please come back to this thread and tell us that you get it.
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    • Profile picture of the author Builder154
      Originally Posted by the goat View Post

      Let's say there are two students learning mathematics. The first one is taught what the number two represents and what the number four represents, and is then taught what combining two and four means on a fundamental level and what the combination of those two numbers equals.

      The second student learns how to press the button 2, the button + and the button 4 on a calculator.

      They both get six, but which one has a better understanding of mathematics?

      These are the basic fundamentals of education, but by all means, skip it, shortcuts are the easiest way. Bottom line is that everyone but you seems to agree that keywords are as much subjective as they are objective but you. The first time you find a domain that just kills it and gets you the traffic and money you want, that's when you'll get it. When it happens please come back to this thread and tell us that you get it.
      Yet another typical goat rant based on made up assumptions that were never said. Nobody said the person using the calculator can't understand math. Nobel Prize winners use calculators. Do you think they don't know the math? They know it but they're smart enough to know it is far quicker to use the tool. Only in goatland does using a tool mean you have no idea what the meaning is of what the tool does. Keep pretending that because someone uses Market Samurai, they must not be able to comprehend the high level genius that it takes to use the Google Keyword Tool directly. Especially since the columns in the tools pretty much match up so without knowing the GWKT terms you wouldn't know what they mean in the automated tool either.

      The thing that is so ridiculous in this whole thread is how you have made up this idea that I don't know your high falutin' manual ways. There isn't a single thing you've mentioned that I don't know about or know how to do. I specifically said I had checked the tools manually many many times to make sure they get the same info you get manually. Of course, the goat way is to ignore that and keep pretending the person using tools must not know how to do things manually.

      All hail goat, genius of keyword research. All of us who use automated tools to grab the exact same data and then sort it based on our understanding of all the columns which are in GWKT just in a different interface humble ourselves before you oh wise one.

      Ok I really need to stop responding to this nonsense.
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  • Profile picture of the author DonDavis
    I don't know Builder, I think Goat has been more than patient with you. You are looking for absolutes when there are none. In my opinion, you should re-read a few of his posts and try again to understand what he is trying to teach you. Don't you believe that if it were as easy as step 1, then 2, then 3, that everybody would be successful at this? The fact is, that it just isn't that easy. You have to be able to add a certain amount of subjectivity.
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    • Profile picture of the author Builder154
      Originally Posted by DonDavis View Post

      I don't know Builder, I think Goat has been more than patient with you. You are looking for absolutes when there are none. In my opinion, you should re-read a few of his posts and try again to understand what he is trying to teach you. Don't you believe that if it were as easy as step 1, then 2, then 3, that everybody would be successful at this? The fact is, that it just isn't that easy. You have to be able to add a certain amount of subjectivity.
      If I'm looking for absolutes then howcome I'm testing many different systems against each other and constantly looking to learn new ideas from different people to incorporate into what I do?

      The only reason you'd think I'm looking for absolutes is because that's one of the things goat keeps saying that is not true.

      All I've ever asked is for him to explain how he does competition analysis. His response is either:

      1) See if there is an authority site - This is totally vague as it doesn't explain what he thinks an authority site is, when seeing an authority site means you go after a keyword or not (ie: if there is one authority site at #10 do you not go after it just cause of that?)

      2) You are wasting your time worrying about competition - This I just flat out disagree with. And since goat clearly wants me to think for myself and not just blindly agree with others, you'd think he'd respect that I disagree rather than get all upset and start launching into insults about how I have no place having an opinion since I haven't made as much as him yet.

      I'm not looking for absolutes any more than anyone else. I just want to know his method of assessing competition. If we're at a point where just asking someone to lay out how they do competition analysis is unreasonable, then this has become ridiculous. It seems to me goat drew up this whole scenario where he's some genius of keyword research and now someone is asking him to lay out part of what he does and he either doesn't want to or doesn't actually even know how to so he starts lashing out and attacking the questioner.
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  • Profile picture of the author shifat
    I would love to know hows your site doing currently specially after those big G updates?Please let us know how you are doing with your sites & what steps you are taking now to avoid any G slap.thanks
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  • Profile picture of the author tristatemedia
    great story, i am surprised google did not slap your sites since they are not authority sites. i just got slapped and banned. i had great authority sites and everything was legal. you are lucky......good for you.....i am sure you know not to keep all your eggs in one basket especially when google is trolling the net.
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  • Profile picture of the author marco005
    Hi,

    does anyone here make more money with the google search ad?
    A few marketer says this is a secret.....
    You can make at the end of your written post a call to action like this

    "Here find more related Infos"
    and under them you put the google search ad (I dont kno if its allowed adsense TOS)4
    or in a sidebar who is named related articles.....



    best wishes
    marco005
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  • Profile picture of the author Lori Kelly
    This is good information. Thanks for posting. OP, you're probably busy making money but when you get a chance, come back and let us know how you're doing.
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  • Profile picture of the author DonDavis
    The only competition you need to be concerned with are the sites on the front page. Load up SEO Quake and analyze each site.
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    • Profile picture of the author Builder154
      Originally Posted by DonDavis View Post

      The only competition you need to be concerned with are the sites on the front page. Load up SEO Quake and analyze each site.
      Yes that IS the only competition I'm concerned with. Now the question is, when you look at that front page, what indicators would you use to determine it's worth going after that keyword. Different people have different ideas on that. I have studied many and made a number of sites with varying results.

      Now I'm curious what goat's answer is to that. He has not said yet other than "look for an authority site" which I find too vague to be useful.
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      • Profile picture of the author the goat
        Originally Posted by Builder154 View Post

        Yes that IS the only competition I'm concerned with. Now the question is, when you look at that front page, what indicators would you use to determine it's worth going after that keyword. Different people have different ideas on that. I have studied many and made a number of sites with varying results.

        Now I'm curious what goat's answer is to that. He has not said yet other than "look for an authority site" which I find too vague to be useful.
        You really have selective hearing. I explained to you exactly what I consider an authority site to be, many times.

        I also explained that you can manually check all the other top ten sites to see exactly what they are doing for SEO and compare it to your skills. No tool, unless you make it yourself for you, will be able to accurately judge how hard it will be to rank against a site. Only you know your capabilities. If when you look into the code of the top ten sites it looks like their on page SEO is flawless and is more than you can or are willing to do then move on.

        With these new updates there are tons of horrible sites getting rankings right now, anyone who knows diddly should be in a keyword ranking frenzy.

        Also I am not against tools, I use them to check things all the time, but with keywords you just can not simply go by numbers or a system. Sure there is data that shows they meet a certain criteria, but in the end YOU need to have the intuition and know how to decide ultimately if you think it will make money.

        I will use a crazy stupid example just to get you thinking. If your research revealed sonycassettedeck.net fit all of your criteria, would you buy? Hell no, the market has past. Now obvious this one is easy, but this is the type of intuitive research that must ultimately done. There are, and I am speaking from direct experience, many lower rated keywords that make much better money than keywords that tools would consider a dream.

        Until you learn to recognize these and go on intuition and hedge your bets and foresee trends etc. you might make a little money, but never alot.
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    • Profile picture of the author mcsdguyian
      Hi Carl,

      This is a great thread! I have been reading it along with checking out your site, but was unable to download your guide. I emailed you, but haven't heard back from you. Hope all is well.

      Ian
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  • Profile picture of the author conners88
    Builder, there is enough information all around the net (not to mention this forum) on various ways of doing keyword research and while I am in no way shape or form an expert on keyword research, all you have to do is create your own rules and follow them.
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    • Profile picture of the author Builder154
      Originally Posted by conners88 View Post

      Builder, there is enough information all around the net (not to mention this forum) on various ways of doing keyword research and while I am in no way shape or form an expert on keyword research, all you have to do is create your own rules and follow them.
      Right there is lots of different advice and you can also experiment with your own ideas. I have done all of that. Carl's advice is in there and so is goat's. We're all trying to find what works best for us from a mix of learning from other and experimenting ourselves.
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  • Profile picture of the author IamSL
    @ the goat

    say i search for my keyword in google and it comes back with 28,000,000 results

    then i search for "my keyword" in google and it comes back with 180,000 results

    the edm is availabe for mykeyword

    and local search is around 2400 a month

    Using your system, you would buy that domain, add some relevant content and let it sit for a couple of months to see what traffic it gets?
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  • Profile picture of the author IamSL
    or how about this senario

    i search mykeywordtwo in google it shows 22,000,000

    i then search "mykeywordtwo" in google it shows 2,000,000

    the edm is available for mykeywordtwo

    it is getting 300,000 local searches a month

    the seo competition is high, most top 10 serps domains are over 10 year old with many back links, BUT, 50% of them, with position 3 being the highest, do not have mykeywordtwo in title, url, desc or head.

    What would you do there?
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  • Profile picture of the author the goat
    On the first one, 180,000 is a little high, but if the top ten has no authority site and you looked at a few of the competition and they can be beat then go for it. One thing I always look for, with these low comp results, is to see if there are any sites in the top ten that don't even have on page SEO, like Meta descriptions etc. Then you know you can rank for sure.

    Now I don't know the domain, so who knows it could still be a ****ty domain that makes you no money, but you should be able to rank it with little effort.

    The second is an entirely different animal. You aren't going to get a low maintenance adsense site to rank there. But I would buy that EMD on principal.

    Not knowing the EMD's I really can't suggest what to do with the big comp site, but buy it.

    Also, you are talking EMD's with no stop words and no hyphens that are .com .net or .org right?
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    • Profile picture of the author IamSL
      Originally Posted by the goat View Post

      On the first one, 180,000 is a little high, but if the top ten has no authority site and you looked at a few of the competition and they can be beat then go for it. One thing I always look for, with these low comp results, is to see if there are any sites in the top ten that don't even have on page SEO, like Meta descriptions etc. Then you know you can rank for sure.

      Now I don't know the domain, so who knows it could still be a ****ty domain that makes you no money, but you should be able to rank it with little effort.

      The second is an entirely different animal. You aren't going to get a low maintenance adsense site to rank there. But I would buy that EMD on principal.

      Not knowing the EMD's I really can't suggest what to do with the big comp site, but buy it.

      Also, you are talking EMD's with no stop words and no hyphens that are .com .net or .org right?
      ok thanks for the advice

      yes there are no stop words and no hyphens in the EMD's. sorry, i should have said, it is not for adsense, it is for a product site.

      another one is mykeywordthree with 64,000,000, "mykeywordthree" with 450,000 results, the emd is available, none of top 10 in serps have mykeywordthree in url, title, desc or head, with 110,000 local results.

      im not going to be buying loads of domains, just trying to get my head round your comments and make sure heading in the right direction.
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  • Profile picture of the author thomashoi
    A few of my EMD sites got penalized and tanked.... I wonder if it's my backlinking tactics that are penalized by Google or something else..... I have since switched to getting natural links as advised by Google....
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  • Profile picture of the author the goat
    You are really getting into some competitive areas here, I wouldn't really feel comfortable giving you advice without knowing the domain. At the level you are talking there is a huge amount of factors as to what is viable, least of which is the business model you are planning to use it for.
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    • Profile picture of the author IamSL
      Originally Posted by the goat View Post

      You are really getting into some competitive areas here, I wouldn't really feel comfortable giving you advice without knowing the domain. At the level you are talking there is a huge amount of factors as to what is viable, least of which is the business model you are planning to use it for.
      ok no problem thanks for the advice till now

      say you are based in france, and targeting french users, so i would purchase both mykeyword.fr and mykeyword.com, but which one would you launch the site on, the .fr or com domain?
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    • Profile picture of the author IamSL
      Originally Posted by the goat View Post

      You are really getting into some competitive areas here, I wouldn't really feel comfortable giving you advice without knowing the domain. At the level you are talking there is a huge amount of factors as to what is viable, least of which is the business model you are planning to use it for.
      how about this one, i guess you would buy it for principal as well?

      i search mykeyword4 in google and 130,000,000 results
      i search "mykeyword4" in google and 800,000 results
      EMD is available with no stop words and no hyphens and is .com
      local monthly searches is 1,800,000

      It has some potential in the right hands may be? top 10 in serps are not seo'ing for mykeyword4 at all
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      • Profile picture of the author Chrisbroholm
        Originally Posted by IamSL View Post

        how about this one, i guess you would buy it for principal as well?

        i search mykeyword4 in google and 130,000,000 results
        i search "mykeyword4" in google and 800,000 results
        EMD is available with no stop words and no hyphens and is .com
        local monthly searches is 1,800,000

        It has some potential in the right hands may be? top 10 in serps are not seo'ing for mykeyword4 at all
        You are not using exact match which is giving you horrid results.
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        • Profile picture of the author IamSL
          Originally Posted by Chrisbroholm View Post

          You are not using exact match which is giving you horrid results.
          Thank you

          Using exact match I have found mykeyword with 12,000 local searches, the EMD is available in .org (.com is not available but is not being used for a website) and the top 10 in serps are not seo'ing for mykeyword.

          Would you buy that domain, add some products and seo, some social bookmarks and let it sit for a couple of months to see what traffic it gets?
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          • Profile picture of the author elzafonv
            Originally Posted by IamSL View Post

            Thank you

            Using exact match I have found mykeyword with 12,000 local searches, the EMD is available in .org (.com is not available but is not being used for a website) and the top 10 in serps are not seo'ing for mykeyword.

            Would you buy that domain, add some products and seo, some social bookmarks and let it sit for a couple of months to see what traffic it gets?
            sure. sounds like a good plan.
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          • Profile picture of the author Chrisbroholm
            Originally Posted by IamSL View Post

            Thank you

            Using exact match I have found mykeyword with 12,000 local searches, the EMD is available in .org (.com is not available but is not being used for a website) and the top 10 in serps are not seo'ing for mykeyword.

            Would you buy that domain, add some products and seo, some social bookmarks and let it sit for a couple of months to see what traffic it gets?
            That sounds a lot better yes :-)

            Just for clarification you are searching the google keyword tool for "keyword" and that result is giving you 12k exact where the EMD is available? If that is the case then go for it! Sounds like a decent purchase.
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            • Profile picture of the author IamSL
              Originally Posted by Chrisbroholm View Post

              That sounds a lot better yes :-)

              Just for clarification you are searching the google keyword tool for "keyword" and that result is giving you 12k exact where the EMD is available? If that is the case then go for it! Sounds like a decent purchase.
              I am login into google adwords

              then going to Tools and Analysis/Find keywords

              then entering mykeyword in the Word or phrase box

              check [Exact]

              uncheck Broad

              and click search

              and that result is giving me 12k exact where the EMD is available in .org.

              If i check "Phrase" as well, it comes back with 27k phrase results.

              If I put "mykeyword" instead of mykeyword in word box, it makes no difference to the results.
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  • Profile picture of the author snakeyes37
    So I went back a few pages because I haven't checked out this thread in over a month, I must say that I really enjoyed reading goat's replies. Everything he said seems to go against common knowledge. I look forward to reading more of what he has to say!

    Unfortunately for me, I'm still stuck on the very first step, keyword research! Maybe goat could chime in on that one?
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  • Profile picture of the author Builder154
    Just another quick update.

    I'm pleasantly surprised that each day I'm getting a click or two on these 3 "Carl-Method" sites. Nothing spectacular. But every now and then a nice 50 cent or dollar click.

    I have to say that while it isn't overwhelming, if I had 50 or 60 sites like this it would definitely be a nice little steady income. If this continues - and hopefully even improves as sites continue moving up the rankings - I'll definitely make a handful more with this method when I finish my current unrelated project.
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    • Profile picture of the author Chrisbroholm
      Originally Posted by Builder154 View Post

      Just another quick update.

      I'm pleasantly surprised that each day I'm getting a click or two on these 3 "Carl-Method" sites. Nothing spectacular. But every now and then a nice 50 cent or dollar click.

      I have to say that while it isn't overwhelming, if I had 50 or 60 sites like this it would definitely be a nice little steady income. If this continues - and hopefully even improves as sites continue moving up the rankings - I'll definitely make a handful more with this method when I finish my current unrelated project.
      Happy to hear you are getting some results mate, and the power of the method is definitely in the numbers! It's not about making 5 big sites and hoping they are succesful, its making 60 smaller sites and finding the ultimate winners :-)

      GL moving on with the method
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  • Profile picture of the author ioan draniciar
    The method is good except the backlink building part; Google is chasing any low quality backlinks and I heard they can recognize spun articles pretty easy; so I would stay away from that; it is possible to make $35/month with Adsense if you have about 3,000 unique visitors/month. Stealth Keyword Digger is a good tool for finding long tail keywords with high search volume, I wrote a review on my blog about it. To check the competition you can also use SEO Quake Firefox plugin.
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    • Profile picture of the author wilsonm
      Originally Posted by ioan draniciar View Post

      it is possible to make $35/month with Adsense if you have about 3,000 unique visitors/month.
      I used to make $150 a month from 2,000 uniques but then again, the site is optimised for the user to click the Ad.
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    Very timely...thank you for the good information.

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    Thanks for sharing your experience and fro the clear and concise guide. best wishes and success.
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  • Profile picture of the author Builder154
    I'm not going to update constantly. I probably won't again on this for a while. But today I saw that another of my Carl MNS sites, which I set up with an affiliate product, got me a $30 commission today. So with the Adsense clicks coming in steadily plus that, and my rankings definitely being pretty good on these 3 sites, I'm a believer.

    I don't know if this will continue but I can definitely say Carl isn't just talking nonsense. If you pick the right keywords and follow through it can work. Thanks Carl.
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    • Profile picture of the author snakeyes37
      Originally Posted by Builder154 View Post

      If you pick the right keywords and follow through it can work. Thanks Carl.
      Yeah, if you can FIND the keywords to begin with. That seems to be the most difficult step. One that I can't seem to get over.
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      • Profile picture of the author elis
        hi

        1.does 5 pages site are no longer google favorits? can you still rank well and keep your ranking for more then few days or weeks with them?

        2. are thoes baclinks don't seem to google not natural?

        3. regarding the kw research didn't saw you talking about the value per click that you earn from that kw (there 0.1$ kw and there 2-3 $ kw),how this come into considaration when choosing the kw.

        4. can you put in the same site affiliate links and adsense ?

        5. if this method can rank 5 pages sites so quickly why not to use it with affiliate products thats earn you 20-40$ a sale rather colecting 1$ here and there.?

        6. some calculation: 500 serches a month (exact match) can give me if i am ranked no. 5 on first page about 10% (= 50 vistors a month)
        with conversion of 10% thats bring me 5 click a month x 1$ per click=5$ a month from that site.
        if you are in first palce that should be arroud 20$ a month.

        am i missing somthing here? please explain
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          Originally Posted by elis View Post

          hi

          1.does 5 pages site are no longer google favorits? can you still rank well and keep your ranking for more then few days or weeks with them?

          2. are thoes baclinks don't seem to google not natural?

          3. regarding the kw research didn't saw you talking about the value per click that you earn from that kw (there 0.1$ kw and there 2-3 $ kw),how this come into considaration when choosing the kw.

          4. can you put in the same site affiliate links and adsense ?

          5. if this method can rank 5 pages sites so quickly why not to use it with affiliate products thats earn you 20-40$ a sale rather colecting 1$ here and there.?

          6. some calculation: 500 serches a month (exact match) can give me if i am ranked no. 5 on first page about 10% (= 50 vistors a month)
          with conversion of 10% thats bring me 5 click a month x 1$ per click=5$ a month from that site.
          if you are in first palce that should be arroud 20$ a month.

          am i missing somthing here? please explain
          Conversion for real products is often only like 0.5%, especially when looking at Clickbank. Then there is Amazon but they only pay out 4-6% commission which is pretty poor.

          Adsense is really not that bad when you compare it.
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      • Profile picture of the author Builder154
        Originally Posted by snakeyes37 View Post

        Yeah, if you can FIND the keywords to begin with. That seems to be the most difficult step. One that I can't seem to get over.
        It is tough no doubt. It tooks me weeks to find these 3 that met all 4 of Carl's requirements. The only good thing is that apparently if you do that, it can pay off. But I sympathize for sure, as you know from this thread.
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  • Profile picture of the author conners88
    its good to see you are doing well builder, I hope your success continues.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ctscott860
    My site is currenly #11 & 12 for my keyword and its.moving up! ABSORB all the info in this thread it really works!

    And also.CTR THEME.makes a BIG difference get it.from carl now and you will get a massive $20 discount
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    • Profile picture of the author snakeyes37
      Originally Posted by Ctscott860 View Post

      My site is currenly #11 & 12 for my keyword and its.moving up! ABSORB all the info in this thread it really works!

      And also.CTR THEME.makes a BIG difference get it.from carl now and you will get a massive $20 discount
      I've heard that its better to make a simple page with just articles and let it sit. If it starts generating traffic then add graphics and a theme. That way you don't end up wasting money. Sounds like a good idea.
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  • Profile picture of the author moneymoguls
    I want to try this method really badly. I'm working on the keyword research now which is the hardest part. It's hard to get started. Like where do you start regarding keywords????
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  • Profile picture of the author Lori Kelly
    It is the hardest part. And don't cut any corners here because it's the most important element.

    You can get ideas by visiting the top selling amazon products, top selling clickbank products, etc. Here's a list that might help. This list is no where near what is possible. Try to think of a problem (embarrassing problems are good because people don't want to go into a store and buy a remedy) and find the solution.

    NICHES

    1. Swimming pools
    2. Yard decorations
    3. Crib bedding sets
    4. Songwriting
    5. Treadmills
    6. Guitars
    7. Hiking
    8. Student loans
    9. Online schools
    10. Strollers
    11. Fitness DVDs
    12. Football
    13. Engagement rings
    14. Security systems
    15. Divorce
    16. Printers
    17. Scrapbooking
    18. Calculators
    19. Electric toothbrushes
    20. Pedometers
    21. Male baldness/grow back hair
    22. Vacuums
    23. Wood flooring
    24. Car seats
    25. Gift baskets
    26. Lawnmowers
    27. Snow blower
    28. Honeymoons
    29. Wedding dresses
    30. Hair care
    31. Potty training
    32. Scales
    33. Battery chargers
    34. Christmas decorations
    35. Small appliances
    36. Bedding sets
    37. Sleep machines
    38. Sewing
    39. Power tools
    40. Scuba diving
    41. Dancing
    42. Popcorn machines
    43. PC games
    44. Makeup
    45. Cooking equipment
    46. Martial arts
    47. Pool tables
    48. Baby toys
    49. Flowers
    50. Photography
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    • Profile picture of the author snakeyes37
      Originally Posted by Lori Kelly View Post

      It is the hardest part. And don't cut any corners here because it's the most important element.

      You can get ideas by visiting the top selling amazon products, top selling clickbank products, etc. Here's a list that might help. This list is no where near what is possible. Try to think of a problem (embarrassing problems are good because people don't want to go into a store and buy a remedy) and find the solution.

      NICHES

      1. Swimming pools
      2. Yard decorations
      3. Crib bedding sets
      4. Songwriting
      5. Treadmills
      6. Guitars
      7. Hiking
      8. Student loans
      9. Online schools
      10. Strollers
      11. Fitness DVDs
      12. Football
      13. Engagement rings
      14. Security systems
      15. Divorce
      16. Printers
      17. Scrapbooking
      18. Calculators
      19. Electric toothbrushes
      20. Pedometers
      21. Male baldness/grow back hair
      22. Vacuums
      23. Wood flooring
      24. Car seats
      25. Gift baskets
      26. Lawnmowers
      27. Snow blower
      28. Honeymoons
      29. Wedding dresses
      30. Hair care
      31. Potty training
      32. Scales
      33. Battery chargers
      34. Christmas decorations
      35. Small appliances
      36. Bedding sets
      37. Sleep machines
      38. Sewing
      39. Power tools
      40. Scuba diving
      41. Dancing
      42. Popcorn machines
      43. PC games
      44. Makeup
      45. Cooking equipment
      46. Martial arts
      47. Pool tables
      48. Baby toys
      49. Flowers
      50. Photography


      What if your not selling a product though? Like a service or hobbie niche. I use to use ezine articles to find some good topics but it seems like most of the categories and sub catagories are already over saturated.
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    • Profile picture of the author WraithSarko
      Originally Posted by Lori Kelly View Post

      It is the hardest part. And don't cut any corners here because it's the most important element.

      You can get ideas by visiting the top selling amazon products, top selling clickbank products, etc. Here's a list that might help. This list is no where near what is possible. Try to think of a problem (embarrassing problems are good because people don't want to go into a store and buy a remedy) and find the solution.

      NICHES

      1. Swimming pools
      2. Yard decorations
      3. Crib bedding sets
      4. Songwriting
      5. Treadmills
      6. Guitars
      7. Hiking
      8. Student loans
      9. Online schools
      10. Strollers
      11. Fitness DVDs
      12. Football
      13. Engagement rings
      14. Security systems
      15. Divorce
      16. Printers
      17. Scrapbooking
      18. Calculators
      19. Electric toothbrushes
      20. Pedometers
      21. Male baldness/grow back hair
      22. Vacuums
      23. Wood flooring
      24. Car seats
      25. Gift baskets
      26. Lawnmowers
      27. Snow blower
      28. Honeymoons
      29. Wedding dresses
      30. Hair care
      31. Potty training
      32. Scales
      33. Battery chargers
      34. Christmas decorations
      35. Small appliances
      36. Bedding sets
      37. Sleep machines
      38. Sewing
      39. Power tools
      40. Scuba diving
      41. Dancing
      42. Popcorn machines
      43. PC games
      44. Makeup
      45. Cooking equipment
      46. Martial arts
      47. Pool tables
      48. Baby toys
      49. Flowers
      50. Photography
      Thanks to the list supplied by Lori Kelly I have been able to find what I believe to be an untapped niche.

      GOAT what do you think about this...

      PottytrainingDivorceonHoneymoonafterScubaDiving-photography.com

      when i search keyword tool I get ZERO results for this phrase but we all know google doesn't always show us the real longtail moneymakers. Searching each word separately and there's like a kazillion results.

      believe it or not the emd is available!!!!

      Please advise as to my best course of action GOAT, should i go for it? I have my credit card in hand and 4 guys from 3rd Batallion 75th Ranger Regiment sitting outside NameCheap in a Humvee. Just in case

      ??
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      • Profile picture of the author the goat
        Originally Posted by WraithSarko View Post

        Thanks to the list supplied by Lori Kelly I have been able to find what I believe to be an untapped niche.

        GOAT what do you think about this...

        PottytrainingDivorceonHoneymoonafterScubaDiving-photography.com

        when i search keyword tool I get ZERO results for this phrase but we all know google doesn't always show us the real longtail moneymakers. Searching each word separately and there's like a kazillion results.

        believe it or not the emd is available!!!!

        Please advise as to my best course of action GOAT, should i go for it? I have my credit card in hand and 4 guys from 3rd Batallion 75th Ranger Regiment sitting outside NameCheap in a Humvee. Just in case

        ??
        Ha ha, thanks I needed a chuckle. With that competition you could be ranking in like eight seconds!
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      • Profile picture of the author Lori Kelly
        Originally Posted by WraithSarko View Post

        Thanks to the list supplied by Lori Kelly I have been able to find what I believe to be an untapped niche.

        GOAT what do you think about this...

        PottytrainingDivorceonHoneymoonafterScubaDiving-photography.com

        when i search keyword tool I get ZERO results for this phrase but we all know google doesn't always show us the real longtail moneymakers. Searching each word separately and there's like a kazillion results.

        believe it or not the emd is available!!!!

        Please advise as to my best course of action GOAT, should i go for it? I have my credit card in hand and 4 guys from 3rd Batallion 75th Ranger Regiment sitting outside NameCheap in a Humvee. Just in case

        ??
        Don't forget that your site needs to be a place where people stay and read your content.

        Even if or when you're able to get a domain name, get your site up and #1 on Google, that doesn't mean you're going to make money.

        Unless you give people a reason to be on your site in the first place, the only thing they'll be clicking on is the back arrow button.

        Narrow down niches. For example, "potty training." "Potty training made easy," "great scuba diving resorts," the best scuba diving in ___, etc.


        I consider this forum a place where people help each other. It is okay that people use different methods but there's no need to ridicule each other's methods, right?

        Bottom line - just picking a KW with the parameters that meet your criteria for competition, global monthly searches, etc. is not enough. There is more research that must be done to make sure your site not just ranks but is a site where people want to stay.

        It takes time.
        Be patient.
        I've been researching for several days now and haven't found (1) a keyword that meets my criteria, and when it does, it hasn't passed my second step of being able to beat the competition. (2) It has to have value or at least foreseeable value, i.e. content that I know I can write that will not only rank (because I will use the long tail keywords throughout my text and it will be written for people rather than search engines), and personally, I have a third point that it has to meet and that includes selling an ebook or a physical product.

        Why? Because I will not rely on adsense alone for monetization. I'll have my bases covered in case one tanks, the other one will carry me and make some money.

        "Potty training for a busy mom."

        I always stay with keywords that are relevant and I do use long tail KW for a domain name, but all the words in the domain are relevant to each other, kwim?
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        • Profile picture of the author MassivePassive
          Originally Posted by Lori Kelly View Post

          Don't forget that your site needs to be a place where people stay and read your content.

          Even if or when you're able to get a domain name, get your site up and #1 on Google, that doesn't mean you're going to make money.

          Unless you give people a reason to be on your site in the first place, the only thing they'll be clicking on is the back arrow button.

          Narrow down niches. For example, "potty training." "Potty training made easy," "great scuba diving resorts," the best scuba diving in ___, etc.


          I consider this forum a place where people help each other. It is okay that people use different methods but there's no need to ridicule each other's methods, right?

          Bottom line - just picking a KW with the parameters that meet your criteria for competition, global monthly searches, etc. is not enough. There is more research that must be done to make sure your site not just ranks but is a site where people want to stay.

          It takes time.
          Be patient.
          I've been researching for several days now and haven't found (1) a keyword that meets my criteria, and when it does, it hasn't passed my second step of being able to beat the competition. (2) It has to have value or at least foreseeable value, i.e. content that I know I can write that will not only rank (because I will use the long tail keywords throughout my text and it will be written for people rather than search engines), and personally, I have a third point that it has to meet and that includes selling an ebook or a physical product.

          Why? Because I will not rely on adsense alone for monetization. I'll have my bases covered in case one tanks, the other one will carry me and make some money.

          "Potty training for a busy mom."

          I always stay with keywords that are relevant and I do use long tail KW for a domain name, but all the words in the domain are relevant to each other, kwim?
          I'm pretty sure his post was a joke, but thanks for the tips...
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          Originally Posted by Lori Kelly View Post

          Don't forget that your site needs to be a place where people stay and read your content...........I always stay with keywords that are relevant and I do use long tail KW for a domain name, but all the words in the domain are relevant to each other, kwim?
          Yeah I was just tying to lighten the mood a bit, not trying to ridicule anyone in the thread.

          But thanks for the explanation Lori
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    Thank you Lori!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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  • Profile picture of the author oriontis
    Thanks for sharing your success story with us. I have also just started in SEO (going on 2 months now) and have had some big ups and downs but overall its been a really exciting journey and I too have accomplished a lot.

    2 months ago my website got no traffic, maybe the odd client here and there checking me out but less then 15 uniques a day. Now I get 300 but I want 10 times more!
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  • Profile picture of the author Nathan251
    When I first joined the warrior forum a few months ago I zoned in on this thread - I was confident I could implement the strategy but in the last few months I have moved on to other things, I find Google veery very unpredictable and have only devoted a little time to adsense sites and not made much money from them, for example Carl's strategy was hit by the recent Penguin update and who is to say that UAW may not be hit in the future, also these thin adsense sites are very fragile creatures and could collapse at any time with a google mail coming your way - they are worth investing in and dabbling and are great for learning the basics of keyword research but I would not depend on them to any great degree - also although Carl laid out a very specific and detailed plan we have to ask ourselves two questions

    1. Why has Carl been so silent of late?

    2. What is it that Carl is not telling us? I mean what successful internet marketer in their right mind would reveal every last gold nugget they possess to a public forum for free - I just don't see that kind of altrusitic spirit in the internet marketing community unfortunately, yes people help each other to a degree and offer a little guidance, usually quite vague and generalised - I mean 90% of the WSO industry is based on packaging fairly run-of-the-mill obvious and non-specific info as a gold mine that has not yet been unearthed.

    My humble advice as a newbie to the game would be

    a) do not go hunting for WSOs, very few are worth it

    b) read, research and take action - don't wait until things are perfect, take action knowing your actions will be imperfect but what you learn from the imperfect implemenations is the real gold-dust

    do not stay in a kind of bubble-like research mode waiting endlessly until your receive some kind of royal-sealed step by step method that guarantees fast cash - that ain't going to happen


    to builder and the goat i have nothing to offer but my admiration, both highly intelligent and insightful posters and both approaching the game with different levels of experience, differing requirements and expectations and a lot can be learned from the wonderful to-and-fro between them on here, i'd almost compare it to IMs version of the scientist versus the man of faith, keep it up guys, threads like this are far more relevant than a lot of the garbage spammy emails and low quality WSOs out there, it's a shame you two have fallen out a little but what you do offer on this thread is something all too rare in our industry - truth and authenticity, long may your arguments continue so long as they remain genuine and heartfelt, it's good to see a little soul in the online moneymaking arena where so often style is valued over substance
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  • Profile picture of the author Streamline
    There is some great advice in this thread for people who are seeking honest guidance. There's no magic answer, secret bullet or missing piece to your success. You have it all inside of yourself already.

    Choose 1 market to sell to. Choose 1 traffic source to master. Eliminate all excuses. Increase your belief (meditate, focus, pray, do whatever it takes). It's not easy, but it's simple! Just don't give up and you will win eventually!
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    The big question remains, what on earth happened to Carl?
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    • Profile picture of the author Nathan251
      Originally Posted by Chrisbroholm View Post

      The big question remains, what on earth happened to Carl?

      either his strategy is underperforming or he is offended some of his sites are posted i'd guess
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      • Profile picture of the author MassivePassive
        Originally Posted by Nathan251 View Post

        either his strategy is underperforming or he is offended some of his sites are posted i'd guess
        I'm gonna go with the latter.
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    Thanks for sharing your story
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  • Profile picture of the author the goat
    I've received a bunch of private messages about finding keywords, so instead of answering them all I figured I'd put a few tips here so people reading the thread can see it.

    First off, this is really a great post on keyword research, read it and try it step for step, get it down and the more you use it the more you will find yourself adding your own tweaks to the process. How To Find Profit Producing Exact Match Domain Names Using Your Head And Some Free Tools | Niche Patrol

    Probably the most effective trick to finding great keywords that you normally wouldn't think of is the "show more like this" option. In the Google Keyword Tool, after you have entered the keywords you started your search with, selected "exact" and correctly ordered your local searchs from highest to lowest, you then can click on any of the suggestions and choose "show more like this".

    What I will do is show more for 3 or so keywords by opening them in a new tab on my browser, then I will choose a few more suggestions from those keywords, until I have more suggestions than I know what to do with. Then I start pasting all these results into Godaddys bulk domain checking tool.

    It is like going down a rabbit hole and finding things you never even knew existed. This is why I like to search my keywords "manually" because no tool finds you things you never would have thought of as effectively as just doing it on your own.
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    • Profile picture of the author Builder154
      Originally Posted by the goat View Post

      Probably the most effective trick to finding great keywords that you normally wouldn't think of is the "show more like this" option. In the Google Keyword Tool, after you have entered the keywords you started your search with, selected "exact" and correctly ordered your local searchs from highest to lowest, you then can click on any of the suggestions and choose "show more like this".

      What I will do is show more for 3 or so keywords by opening them in a new tab on my browser, then I will choose a few more suggestions from those keywords, until I have more suggestions than I know what to do with. Then I start pasting all these results into Godaddys bulk domain checking tool.

      It is like going down a rabbit hole and finding things you never even knew existed. This is why I like to search my keywords "manually" because no tool finds you things you never would have thought of as effectively as just doing it on your own.
      So you say you find new ideas by using the Google Keyword Tool's "show more like this" option, explain how you use the tool to do it and then in the next paragraph say "This is why I like to search my keywords "manually" because no tool finds you things you never would have thought of as effectively as just doing it on your own."
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      • Profile picture of the author IamSL
        Originally Posted by Builder154 View Post

        So you say you find new ideas by using the Google Keyword Tool's "show more like this" option, explain how you use the tool to do it and then in the next paragraph say "This is why I like to search my keywords "manually" because no tool finds you things you never would have thought of as effectively as just doing it on your own."
        What tool will replicate the steps he just did, automatically?
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        • Profile picture of the author the goat
          Originally Posted by IamSL View Post

          What tool will replicate the steps he just did, automatically?
          None do it nearly as effectively as you can do yourself, but don't tell Builder that, I think he owns stock in Micro Niche Finder or something, even though using the magical MNF, it took him weeks to find keywords with a whopping 1,000 searches.
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          • Profile picture of the author Builder154
            Originally Posted by the goat View Post

            None do it nearly as effectively as you can do yourself, but don't tell Builder that, I think he owns stock in Micro Niche Finder or something, even though using the magical MNF, it took him weeks to find keywords with a whopping 1,000 searches.
            It took weeks to find keywords with:

            1000 exact local searches
            >$1 CPC
            <100,000 exact match
            <50 SOC in MNF

            If you can do better go find some.

            It is completely irrelevant that you think these criteria don't matter because that is Carl's method and I was testing his method (which by the way has proven to work pretty well for the keywords you do find that meet it).

            You do realize you're in a thread started by Carl, about his method that has been going on for months right? So some of us wanted to see how his method worked and tested it.

            So if you think you can do better, let's see how long it takes you to find good keywords that meet those 4 criteria. No not ones that meet YOUR criteria. That's a different issue. This was about people who wanted to see how Carl's method works by actually testing it.
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        • Profile picture of the author Builder154
          Originally Posted by IamSL View Post

          What tool will replicate the steps he just did, automatically?
          You could easily just use the GKWT, put your word in, get "see more like this" a few times and compile a list of a few seed words. Then go back to MNF or Market Samurai and search them there and get EXACTLY the same data you get in GWKT only you can sort and filter with one click. Too bad goat doesn't like saving people time and efficiency in doing the EXACT same task But we already know our disagreement on that.

          If GKWT has one or two features something else doesn't, by all means go and use it. Doesn't mean you have to use it for the whole process when it takes longer. And in MNF, if you get a keyword you want to research deeper all you do is click on it and say to do a new search. That simple. Far faster than doing it click by click by click in GKWT directly.

          What goat is saying is like claiming you have to manually go in and light your light bulb's filament every day instead of use a light switch that directly connects to the bulb and turns it on for you. He doesn't seem to understand how these tools work and that they do EXACTLY the same thing he is doing.

          I'd say it's more likely he owns stock in Google than me owning stock in MNF, especially since I use other tools besides MNF also.
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      • Profile picture of the author the goat
        Originally Posted by Builder154 View Post

        So you say you find new ideas by using the Google Keyword Tool's "show more like this" option, explain how you use the tool to do it and then in the next paragraph say "This is why I like to search my keywords "manually" because no tool finds you things you never would have thought of as effectively as just doing it on your own."
        Geez man, you really get wrapped up in semantics don't you? Notice how I put "manual" in quotation marks. When I say tools, I am talking about all in one tools that automate the process of selection besides the obvious Google keyword tool that is the basis of keyword research.

        I assumed that you were of a high enough intelligence to know that I didn't mean that I was travelling around asking every single person on earth if they've ever searched for "keyword" on Google etching my results on a stone tablet and then sending smoke signals to Go Daddy asking if domains were available.

        I guess I was wrong to assume that you know the difference between manual (only using the Google tool and manually manipulating the results) and automated (all in one solutions like Micro Niche Finder).

        Maybe it wouldn't take you three weeks to find two keywords if you stopped sweating the details so much, it really must be exhausting.
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  • Profile picture of the author snakeyes37
    Carl made a post on his website not too long ago.
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  • Profile picture of the author moneymoguls
    I found a good keyword phrase that meets the criteria...1600 local searches, 22,800 comp in quotes, no authority sites on 1st page and CPC of $38. I'm having 3 articles written with 750 words. I will get a fiverr gig for social bookmarking and maybe web 2.0 links with unique articles...no spun content. I'm not sure how well article directory links work??? I may try them like Carl did and see what happens. I love experimenting.

    Hopefully this will make some money, even if only short term. I have 2 long term blogs that I write on everyday. I have not done any backlinks on these. I'm too chikin.
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    • Profile picture of the author snakeyes37
      I've decided to use my own criteria instead. 1,000 local searches a month is too low I think to generate any decent traffic. My minimum is 3,000 now.
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  • Profile picture of the author snakeyes37
    I've been using Long Tail Pro, it makes me upset that I wasted $99 on MNF when I should of bought LTP instead. You can search multiple keywords at a time instead of one. And it filters keywords out before it even shows you the final results, saving even more time.
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    • Profile picture of the author Builder154
      Originally Posted by snakeyes37 View Post

      I've been using Long Tail Pro, it makes me upset that I wasted $99 on MNF when I should of bought LTP instead. You can search multiple keywords at a time instead of one. And it filters keywords out before it even shows you the final results, saving even more time.
      Adsense Flippers have settled on LTP also. It does sound like the best one. But I already have two and it's not worth it to me to buy another right now. If I make enough at this I'll invest in LTP eventually too probably. But on the other hand MNF has SOC which LTP doesn't have and SOC has proven pretty reliable for me in how easy something will be to rank.
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      • Profile picture of the author TryBPO
        Originally Posted by Builder154 View Post

        Adsense Flippers have settled on LTP also. It does sound like the best one. But I already have two and it's not worth it to me to buy another right now. If I make enough at this I'll invest in LTP eventually too probably. But on the other hand MNF has SOC which LTP doesn't have and SOC has proven pretty reliable for me in how easy something will be to rank.
        Yes, we use Long Tail Pro and recommend it to anyone who doesn't currently own a keyword research tool, but there are others that work just fine as well. If you're more comfortable with another you don't need to buy another tool if it's working for you...stick with what you've got!

        I don't think The Goat's wrong in that you'll find hidden/special niches by searching manually and, if you're just starting out, searching manually is probably the BETTER option. The reason we use tools is that, put simply, it's faster...and we need a ton of keywords researched each week to keep up production. If you're only looking for a couple of niches each week you can definitely do it manually...and you might actually find some better niches that way...but it's a bit more time-intensive and we'd rather not spend much of our time there.

        We'd rather look at a bunch of keywords that meet our criteria and spend our time judging whether or not we'd have a chance to rank them based on competition on the first page.
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        • Profile picture of the author Builder154
          Originally Posted by TryBPO View Post

          you'll find hidden/special niches by searching manually
          Well then I stand corrected. How is it that you find hidden niches manually? I thought the tools go directly to Google and just pull the data back into the equivalent of a spreadsheet so it's the exact same data.
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          • Profile picture of the author the goat
            Originally Posted by Builder154 View Post

            Well then I stand corrected. How is it that you find hidden niches manually? I thought the tools go directly to Google and just pull the data back into the equivalent of a spreadsheet so it's the exact same data.
            Do you have any idea how frustrating it is to have come here, solely because I saw you struggling, and only to help you, with no ulterior motive. To have you dismiss my advice and tell me that I am wrong. Then upon one post from someone else, completely change your mind and agree with everything I've been trying to tell you from the start? Well here is another piece of advice you'll ignore...

            Just try it! Instead of asking why and waiting for someone to explain every last detail to you, just do it on your own. Not only will you learn, but you will also adapt and develop your own way of doing it, based on the types of niches you find interesting etc. Every single person started where you are, even the ones who designed all these tools etc. Who knows maybe once you learn research in and out, you will write the tool that everybody uses. You will never know any of this until you just try it.
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            • Profile picture of the author Builder154
              Originally Posted by the goat View Post

              Do you have any idea how frustrating it is to have come here, solely because I saw you struggling, and only to help you, with no ulterior motive. To have you dismiss my advice and tell me that I am wrong. Then upon one post from someone else, completely change your mind and agree with everything I've been trying to tell you from the start? Well here is another piece of advice you'll ignore...

              Just try it! Instead of asking why and waiting for someone to explain every last detail to you, just do it on your own. Not only will you learn, but you will also adapt and develop your own way of doing it, based on the types of niches you find interesting etc. Every single person started where you are, even the ones who designed all these tools etc. Who knows maybe once you learn research in and out, you will write the tool that everybody uses. You will never know any of this until you just try it.
              1) You'll notice that despite the slight correction Adsense Flippers gave, they STILL use the tools and do NOT do it your way. Maybe you should try learning something too.

              2) Even if what they say is true, that you can find some things manually that you can't find with the tool (despite the fact that it's still not worth doing manually all things considered if you actually read their whole post), the fact is in all your posts you NEVER explain how that is the case. If you explained it I"d have said "Oh thank you for teaching me something." I am waiting to hear from them how this exactly works before making a judgment.

              But the hilarious fact remains. Adsense Flippers and I both agree NOT to do it manually because it's more trouble than it's worth. You don't seem to be able to process that.
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          • Profile picture of the author TryBPO
            Originally Posted by Builder154 View Post

            Well then I stand corrected. How is it that you find hidden niches manually? I thought the tools go directly to Google and just pull the data back into the equivalent of a spreadsheet so it's the exact same data.
            I haven't done any split testing or case studies here and my reasoning for this isn't proven or anything...just a feeling.

            The best way I think I could explain this would be to compare having a standardized process to finding blogs (tools) as opposed to randomly surfing the web for blogs (manual). Methodical searches tend to produce more useful blogs for me in a shorter amount of time...but randomly surfing for blogs will let me find some useful blogs or interesting content that I might not have found using my process.

            Does that make sense?

            I think goat has a point and think that manually searching when JUST getting started might not be a bad idea...it really gets your hands dirty and you learn the principles from the beginning.

            That being said, once you've found some keywords, built out a few sites, etc...using tools is much more efficient and the better way to go, overall.

            We use plenty of tools and software for our business. From keyword research, to rank tracking, to project management....we use and pay for quite a few tools. Out of all of them, I would put a keyword research tool at the top of the list.
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            • Profile picture of the author Builder154
              Originally Posted by TryBPO View Post

              I haven't done any split testing or case studies here and my reasoning for this isn't proven or anything...just a feeling.

              The best way I think I could explain this would be to compare having a standardized process to finding blogs (tools) as opposed to randomly surfing the web for blogs (manual). Methodical searches tend to produce more useful blogs for me in a shorter amount of time...but randomly surfing for blogs will let me find some useful blogs or interesting content that I might not have found using my process.

              Does that make sense?

              I think goat has a point and think that manually searching when JUST getting started might not be a bad idea...it really gets your hands dirty and you learn the principles from the beginning.

              That being said, once you've found some keywords, built out a few sites, etc...using tools is much more efficient and the better way to go, overall.

              We use plenty of tools and software for our business. From keyword research, to rank tracking, to project management....we use and pay for quite a few tools. Out of all of them, I would put a keyword research tool at the top of the list.
              I don't really think it does make sense because the analogy isn't the same. The way you'd "surf" in the keyword tool is exactly the way you can surf in any of these other tools. Like in MNF, it literally just pulls the data right from the keyword tool. It just organizes it in an easier to work with form. But it's all right there. You can see the same keywords and you can "surf" by clicking on any of them just as you would directly in the keyword tool. So I don't see how it could make a difference.

              But as you say, even if it did, I can't see any way it outweighs the fact that you can probably search 5 times as many keywords in the same time with these other tools.

              I agree that it's good to play with the keyword tool directly just to see how it works. But that's not what goat is saying at all. If he said beginners should tinker with it just to understand what the other tools are doing, I wouldn't argue that. But he is saying we should keep using the keyword tool directly indefinitely. I find that a huge waste of time and bad advice.
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              • Profile picture of the author the goat
                Originally Posted by Builder154 View Post

                I don't really think it does make sense because the analogy isn't the same. The way you'd "surf" in the keyword tool is exactly the way you can surf in any of these other tools. Like in MNF, it literally just pulls the data right from the keyword tool. It just organizes it in an easier to work with form. But it's all right there. You can see the same keywords and you can "surf" by clicking on any of them just as you would directly in the keyword tool. So I don't see how it could make a difference.

                But as you say, even if it did, I can't see any way it outweighs the fact that you can probably search 5 times as many keywords in the same time with these other tools.

                I agree that it's good to play with the keyword tool directly just to see how it works. But that's not what goat is saying at all. If he said beginners should tinker with it just to understand what the other tools are doing, I wouldn't argue that. But he is saying we should keep using the keyword tool directly indefinitely. I find that a huge waste of time and bad advice.
                Boy are you stubborn, now not listening to their advice either. Is it that important to you to avoid doing some actual work? I have done both. Adsense Flippers have done both (used tools and manual), both of us have said the same thing, that it is better to learn the process manually.

                You have only done one (tools) yet you believe you know everything about both ways and refuse to hear about it, or even try it a different way. Would you say in an open forum that cake is better than ice cream if you had never tried ice cream? Pure ignorance right? (Not being mean, just trying to prove the point) I promise you, you will learn a few things, but shortcuts are the way of the internet I guess.

                I should probably stop giving advice anyway, this morning my six year old Adsense account was suspended due to click fraud. I have traced it to exactly what site it was and I know the competitor that did it but I have no faith in the review system so my Adsense career is probably over as it has just become too volatile to have someone else in control of your destiny that way. If anyone wants to buy a 6-7k per month batch of Adsense sites let me know. Unfortunately since I can't access my account to prove their income I'll have to sell them cheap just on their #1 rankings and traffic alone. Live by the sword, die by the sword, I just thank my lucky stars I diversified a long time ago.
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                • Profile picture of the author Builder154
                  Originally Posted by the goat View Post

                  Boy are you stubborn, now not listening to their advice either. Is it that important to you to avoid doing some actual work? I have done both. Adsense Flippers have done both (used tools and manual), both of us have said the same thing, that it is better to learn the process manually.

                  You have only done one (tools) yet you believe you know everything about both ways and refuse to hear about it, or even try it a different way. Would you say in an open forum that cake is better than ice cream if you had never tried ice cream? Pure ignorance right? (Not being mean, just trying to prove the point) I promise you, you will learn a few things, but shortcuts are the way of the internet I guess.

                  I should probably stop giving advice anyway, this morning my six year old Adsense account was suspended due to click fraud. I have traced it to exactly what site it was and I know the competitor that did it but I have no faith in the review system so my Adsense career is probably over as it has just become too volatile to have someone else in control of your destiny that way. If anyone wants to buy a 6-7k per month batch of Adsense sites let me know. Unfortunately since I can't access my account to prove their income I'll have to sell them cheap just on their #1 rankings and traffic alone. Live by the sword, die by the sword, I just thank my lucky stars I diversified a long time ago.

                  At this point it's hard to believe you aren't just trolling honestly. How can one person misquote someone so many times over and over, despite being corrected, unless they're just trying to provoke?

                  Adsense Flippers agrees with me to use the tools and that it's great to play with the keyword tool JUST TO LEARN how the tools work which is not what you said. You said to CONTINUE to use the keyword tool directly as your main process.

                  You also conveniently ignore that I repeatedly said I've not only played with the keyword tool directly, but that I have carefully checked to make sure the tools give the same data. Now how would I do that if I hadn't used the keyword tool? You have to seriously be trolling to make some big analogy about ice cream and cake when I've said many times I know how the keyword tool works directly.

                  Despite the fact you are frustrating, misquote me multiple times in every single post, misquote others' positions too and argue against straw men time and again, I do give you my sympathy on losing the adsense account. That sucks no matter how you look at it man.
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                • Profile picture of the author TryBPO
                  Originally Posted by the goat View Post

                  I should probably stop giving advice anyway, this morning my six year old Adsense account was suspended due to click fraud.
                  Wow...ouch, Goat...that really sucks and I feel for you.

                  I thought the debate you guys were having was quite interesting which is why I've kept checking back on this thread, honestly. I'm hoping it will be helpful to others (The entirety of this thread is, for sure) as well.

                  I would second the recommendation to check out Niche Pursuits. I believe Spencer was making $15K+ in AdSense income alone when he was shut down. He's currently testing through alternative monetization methods, continuing to grow out his niche site business. We follow him pretty closely as well as we're in the same niche/business:

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    yeah these are the basic ways to get a good amount of money per month. buy you have to nourish these qualities very well so that you can cope with the regular Google updates
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  • Profile picture of the author 7bdanie
    Great Post, I am going to try immediately
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    Is there any backlings sites recommended, that will actually get the job done
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  • Profile picture of the author CMorg
    I just read your post and it is really inspirational - well done on your success
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  • Profile picture of the author moneymoguls
    I just ordered a Fiverr gig of 200 social bookmarks for one of my niche blogs (7 days old). I'm trying out UKcarl's system. I did a small social bookmark gig of 20 for another niche blog (20 days old) and it is now getting search engine traffic from Bing and Yahoo. Previously it was getting zero traffic. Let's see what happens.
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    • Profile picture of the author amankibrit
      Originally Posted by moneymoguls View Post

      I just ordered a Fiverr gig of 200 social bookmarks for one of my niche blogs (7 days old). I'm trying out UKcarl's system. I did a small social bookmark gig of 20 for another niche blog (20 days old) and it is now getting search engine traffic from Bing and Yahoo. Previously it was getting zero traffic. Let's see what happens.
      Please let us know about the ranking of your site after UAW. Mine got sandboxed (my rate of article submission was 50 per day and not 20 per day as Carl recommended), I am wondering whether the reason is article submission rate or use of UAW.
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      • Profile picture of the author Tiiberiuss
        Originally Posted by amankibrit View Post

        Please let us know about the ranking of your site after UAW. Mine got sandboxed (my rate of article submission was 50 per day and not 20 per day as Carl recommended), I am wondering whether the reason is article submission rate or use of UAW.
        That is too many links. Even if your article would contain just 1 link each. That's simply too much. + Its spun content. This is not what Penguin likes.

        After Penguin I create half of the amount of links that I receive unique visitors each day. Let's say if I get 2 visitor I create 1 link (to the home page or page visitor landed on). Mostly social media or guest post.

        I know it does not seem much but its pretty safe and long term strategy. Of course as your traffic grows your link building grows too. Not to mention that if you got good content people will link to you naturally.

        If your brand new 3 page site gets 50 links/day its pretty above the radar
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        Originally Posted by amankibrit View Post

        Please let us know about the ranking of your site after UAW. Mine got sandboxed (my rate of article submission was 50 per day and not 20 per day as Carl recommended), I am wondering whether the reason is article submission rate or use of UAW.
        I'm going to be careful with UAW submissions or I may not use it. I think I'm going to go slow with backlinking. I'll look for some smaller article directory submissions first at fiverr. Like 20 or 50. I have thought about doing some web 2.0 articles too. I'll have The Content Authority write five 400 word articles and then I'll submit them to Web 2.0 sites. After a week, I'll get a social bookmarking gig for the web 2.0 articles.

        I've learned more by experimenting than reading SEO guru books.
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  • Profile picture of the author Spencer Haws
    Congrats UKcarl, glad it started out well for you! This is essentially the same process I used to build up my empire of niche sites as well. Still full-time at it
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  • Profile picture of the author the goat
    Oh and by the way please don't PM me, I was joking about selling them, I will monetize in other ways. I was just trying to point out that I couldn't sell them for what they are worth because of lack of access to the income proof. Don't put all your eggs in one basket folks.
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    • Profile picture of the author Builder154
      Originally Posted by the goat View Post

      Oh and by the way please don't PM me, I was joking about selling them, I will monetize in other ways. I was just trying to point out that I couldn't sell them for what they are worth because of lack of access to the income proof. Don't put all your eggs in one basket folks.
      By the way you should talk to Spencer who just posted in the thread. He's dealt with this exact same issue for a while now and has been focusing on it.
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  • Profile picture of the author the goat
    I come off as a prick sometimes with the written word, I've been told this. I'm definitely not a troll, I came into this thread genuinely trying to help because you seemed frustrated at the time and I got frustrated because you didn't seem to want my advice after a while. I will stop pushing my philosophy down your throat. To each his own, you will find your way and be successful in this either way because you really do seem to have the drive 99% of people on here don't have. Truth be told I have a feeling if you and I knew each other we would probably like each other.

    As for my Adsense account I have everything set up properly that I could very easily just set up another account, move the sites to different servers etc. and continue, but at this point Adsense seems to be such a volatile market that moving those sites into another form of monetization now seems like the right move.

    After I talked about the concept of letting a site tell you what it wants to be, you mentioned that you had some success with affiliate products on one of your sites. I'd highly recommend that you keep exploring that with some of them here and there. I can't imagine how bummed I would be if this suspension meant the end of my income.
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    • Profile picture of the author Builder154
      Originally Posted by the goat View Post

      Truth be told I have a feeling if you and I knew each other we would probably like each other.
      Probably so. I don't think there would be so much miscommunication in that setting.

      Originally Posted by the goat View Post

      After I talked about the concept of letting a site tell you what it wants to be, you mentioned that you had some success with affiliate products on one of your sites. I'd highly recommend that you keep exploring that with some of them here and there. I can't imagine how bummed I would be if this suspension meant the end of my income.
      I agree. Try to diversify with various affiliate opportunities in addition to adsense on different sites.
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  • Profile picture of the author ownergolan
    Great post!

    I was wondering about a follow up. What should one do after 10 MNS that are mid ranked (1st page #4 / #8 .. ranks) ? ass more content ? create more sites?

    Its hard for me now that i have 10 MNS, i HAVE to check on them regularly, and being obsessed about them. It dosent feel right, should i not pay attention to them?
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    • Profile picture of the author MassivePassive
      Originally Posted by ownergolan View Post

      Great post!

      I was wondering about a follow up. What should one do after 10 MNS that are mid ranked (1st page #4 / #8 .. ranks) ? ass more content ? create more sites?

      Its hard for me now that i have 10 MNS, i HAVE to check on them regularly, and being obsessed about them. It dosent feel right, should i not pay attention to them?
      I would try to get them ranked higher. You'll definitely start seeing results in the top 5.
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      • Profile picture of the author ownergolan
        Originally Posted by MassivePassive View Post

        I would try to get them ranked higher. You'll definitely start seeing results in the top 5.
        That is exactly the question, make more content? back links ?
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        • Profile picture of the author MassivePassive
          Originally Posted by ownergolan View Post

          That is exactly the question, make more content? back links ?
          I have a couple of sites that do $1-$3 / day. I am building more backlinks to get them ranked higher. Then I will add more content.
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  • Profile picture of the author JeromyS
    Nice Job!

    I think the key point here are you defined a solid process, as you say, it is not new, it is just clearly defined. And you obviously know how to maintain a standard of quality, do your research/planning and, the biggest reason people fail, you follow through
    Now you can create a product, walking step by step, thru how you do it, videos, screens shots, etc. I can see big potential there

    Hats off!
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  • Profile picture of the author Builder154
    So I have a new question and rather than start a separate thread, I'm going to keep it here because it still is relevant to Carl's thread and a lot of the people I'd like to hear from are following this.

    So one of my sites built using Carl's method is doing well. I put up 3 pages on it targeting a main keyword which is the EMD and used a bunch of LSI keywords. My main keyword is now at #4 and it's making a little money. I think the site is worth building out.

    My question is what should be my strategy for building it out?

    I assume the first thing is to add more content to the site itself. But what content should I add? Which keyword should my next page target?

    And then what about backlinking? Do I just keep adding more and more backlinks to the site in general while adding this new content?

    I feel like I've got down how to choose keywords, backlink and rank and make a little money from an MNS site now. What I don't understand now is what to do when one starts working.
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  • Profile picture of the author abhinavsai
    greetings.

    thank you for share will apply learned
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  • Profile picture of the author SamKs
    Good thing is that you develop sites in wordpress, mean on page SEO is easy. And also your off page optimization main focus is bookmarking sites and articles. Give good idea only have to select good domain name.
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  • Profile picture of the author Chrisbroholm
    Builder I think the steps for building out the sites would be doing secondary keyword research and simply add more content.

    Also getting to #1 for more keywords is a surefire way to expand your site for more visitors.
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    • Profile picture of the author Builder154
      Originally Posted by Chrisbroholm View Post

      Builder I think the steps for building out the sites would be doing secondary keyword research and simply add more content.

      Also getting to #1 for more keywords is a surefire way to expand your site for more visitors.
      Thanks but I'm looking for something more specific.

      The site now has 3 pages. 2 target the main keyword. 1 targets what I considered the best secondary LSI keyword. All of the pages use 5 LSI keywords.

      The main keyword is ranking at #4, another of the LSI's is at #7.

      So what exactly should I do? Write more pages targeting that same secondary LSI that's working? Write a page targeting the 3rd best keyword I had found earlier?

      Also, what should I now do in terms of backlinking? Keep backlinking the main page only use different anchor text (while still also mixing in lots of other anchors to keep diversity of the anchor texts)?

      I'm just not sure the exact strategy that would make sense.
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      • Profile picture of the author jxam69
        Originally Posted by Builder154 View Post

        Thanks but I'm looking for something more specific.

        The site now has 3 pages. 2 target the main keyword. 1 targets what I considered the best secondary LSI keyword. All of the pages use 5 LSI keywords.

        The main keyword is ranking at #4, another of the LSI's is at #7.

        So what exactly should I do? Write more pages targeting that same secondary LSI that's working? Write a page targeting the 3rd best keyword I had found earlier?

        Also, what should I now do in terms of backlinking? Keep backlinking the main page only use different anchor text (while still also mixing in lots of other anchors to keep diversity of the anchor texts)?

        I'm just not sure the exact strategy that would make sense.

        You could try reading through nest28's thread for ideas on building out your site: http://www.warriorforum.com/adsense-...-part-2-a.html
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  • Profile picture of the author iJeax
    Great thread! I appreciate the time spent on it, looks helpful!
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  • Profile picture of the author codecreative
    nice of uk carl to drop by and give his thread updates i bet all his sites have gone from the serps since he was using that uaw software
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  • Profile picture of the author Tiiberiuss
    Hello ukcarl,

    I see you published this post February 2. Are your niche sites still bringing you such nice income on a monthly basis or you were affected by Google's Zoo attack (Panda, Penguin)?

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  • Profile picture of the author Alex Lin
    I can see some comments are focusing on failure rather than success. Nobody know what's up with Carl. Since he is so silent and some people think his sites got deindex by google. Who's know he may be making six figures already by now.
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    • Profile picture of the author amankibrit
      I think his link building method doesn't work anymore after Penguin update. I just build one site with 3 articles as he mentioned. Social bookmarking worked fine and my site was ranking number 9 on Google. After article submission to Unique Article Wizard my site got sandboxed and doesn't show up at Google anymore. I am looking for link building strategies that work, I would appreciate proven methods that work.
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    If its working and your making money then good luck to you, once something works you can start to scale it and then your laughing
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  • Profile picture of the author ShaunQ
    Hey everyone.

    I'm knew to this, and have zero experience in IM or website building but I'm willing to work hard to make this adsense business work. I've read this thread from start to finish and have enjoyed the insight provided by everyone.

    I have recently been made redundant and have never really enjoyed the 9-5 grind. It is my dream to be able to earn a decent income from the internet, that would enable me to live off. I'd love to live in different countries/cities for a few months then move on. I definitely don't think this is a giant holiday, but obviously if you work in an office you are fixed to that location, whilst I can put the hours in behind a computer from any location doing this, so I am very committed to getting into a position where this is possible for me and will work damn hard to achieve it.

    Having read through this thread I have one or two question for a complete newbie like myself that hopefully someone with more experience can help me out with.

    I know it is important to take action and not just read and read and hope things magically work out for me. I also know that it is a process that can take some months.

    As the idea behind this plan is based around the quantity of sites then I am not too keen to make one or two sites and see how they pan out after a few months, as the income for this would be minimal. Despite needing a portfolio of sites I am reluctant to rush head first into this, churning out several sites a day (or is this recommended?!) as I have no experience and anything I do wrong on the first site would be repeated on each subsequent site.

    How would you recommend I get started with this persuit?!
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    • Profile picture of the author thechase123
      Originally Posted by dennis797 View Post

      Hey everyone.

      I'm knew to this, and have zero experience in IM or website building but I'm willing to work hard to make this adsense business work. I've read this thread from start to finish and have enjoyed the insight provided by everyone.

      I have recently been made redundant and have never really enjoyed the 9-5 grind. It is my dream to be able to earn a decent income from the internet, that would enable me to live off. I'd love to live in different countries/cities for a few months then move on. I definitely don't think this is a giant holiday, but obviously if you work in an office you are fixed to that location, whilst I can put the hours in behind a computer from any location doing this, so I am very committed to getting into a position where this is possible for me and will work damn hard to achieve it.

      Having read through this thread I have one or two question for a complete newbie like myself that hopefully someone with more experience can help me out with.

      I know it is important to take action and not just read and read and hope things magically work out for me. I also know that it is a process that can take some months.

      As the idea behind this plan is based around the quantity of sites then I am not too keen to make one or two sites and see how they pan out after a few months, as the income for this would be minimal. Despite needing a portfolio of sites I am reluctant to rush head first into this, churning out several sites a day (or is this recommended?!) as I have no experience and anything I do wrong on the first site would be repeated on each subsequent site.

      How would you recommend I get started with this persuit?!
      Baby steps, very very small baby steps. I like maaaaany others have made the mistake of trying to do everything at once and tbh it never gets you anywhare. Creating several sites a day is a lot easier said than done and even if you do that they'll be of such low quality they'll be useless.

      Start small and give yourself time to learn, do proper keyword reasearch and competition analysis either manually or with some software tools, get a domain name and hosting, learn how wordpress works, set up one site properly even if it takes you a few weeks, before moving to the next.

      I was in your situation with redundency a few years ago and came to the internet hoping to make a full time income. Yes it's possible but it's very unlikely, especially if you're brand new.

      If I were you, i'd start applying for another job straight away and once you're employed and the pressure's off take your time and do this properly, it's a lot easier when you know the bills are getting paid and you have food on the table, than when everything around you depends on you making a success of this. Don't put that kind of pressure on yourself.
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  • Profile picture of the author NXmarketeer
    This is one of the most inspirational threads I ever read (well... not the 21 pages full...)

    thanks OP

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  • Profile picture of the author ShaunQ
    Thanks for the advice, will take things slow then so I can do things properly. You are also probably right about taking the pressure off, I always intended to get another job in the meantime and have been searching, but I still have lots of free time with which I was hoping to get some sites up and running. Then if/when I find a job it will give me the income to pass some time to see how these sites develop!
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Wood
    Congratulations on your success. I will try to implement this TODAY!!
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  • Profile picture of the author smodha
    Hi buddy,

    Congrats on your success.

    Just one question. Do you Social Bookmark your money site directly or is it tiered?
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  • Profile picture of the author Chrisbroholm
    I'm still puzzled as to what happened to Carl, hope he's alright.
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  • Profile picture of the author Theeban
    Congrats mate,

    But still I am not clear on how you have got success with "article spin" - Does "article spin" work after penguin even?
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    • Profile picture of the author Chrisbroholm
      Originally Posted by Theeban View Post

      Congrats mate,

      But still I am not clear on how you have got success with "article spin" - Does "article spin" work after penguin even?
      I wouldn't recommend using spinning anywhere. Ask your content writer to make rewrites (they are cheap on places like content authority) or if you are writing yourself just rewrite by paragraph level.

      This is especially easy when linkbuilding, because you can take a PLR article and re-write it exactly as your own.

      Spinning is dead now. Great quality is king.
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      • Profile picture of the author Builder154
        Originally Posted by Chrisbroholm View Post

        I wouldn't recommend using spinning anywhere. Ask your content writer to make rewrites (they are cheap on places like content authority) or if you are writing yourself just rewrite by paragraph level.

        This is especially easy when linkbuilding, because you can take a PLR article and re-write it exactly as your own.

        Spinning is dead now. Great quality is king.
        What's really confusing me is whether to spin at all. There are experienced people on here who don't spin at all and just syndicate their content. They take one article, no spinning, and try to get it posted in many places. They say there is no penalty for that at all. You just won't get all of them showing up in search results, but if you are just using them for backlinks you don't need to.

        There are a few threads on this topic and some of the most experienced people swear by syndication and that it is not an issue having such duplicate content. I can't figure out who to believe.
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        • Profile picture of the author normahl
          This Thread is lame, since Carl got hit by penguin
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          • Profile picture of the author amankibrit
            Originally Posted by normahl View Post

            This Thread is lame, since Carl got hit by penguin
            I agree. 200 social bookmarks plus UAW article drip guarantees that your new niche site gets sandboxed (I actually had two sites sandboxed). I
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        • Profile picture of the author Chrisbroholm
          Originally Posted by Builder154 View Post

          What's really confusing me is whether to spin at all. There are experienced people on here who don't spin at all and just syndicate their content. They take one article, no spinning, and try to get it posted in many places. They say there is no penalty for that at all. You just won't get all of them showing up in search results, but if you are just using them for backlinks you don't need to.

          There are a few threads on this topic and some of the most experienced people swear by syndication and that it is not an issue having such duplicate content. I can't figure out who to believe.

          Yup, I think syndication is better too. But the problem is many web2.0s will ban you if they find duplicate content, so its best to have rewrites :-)

          Of course if you are owning the domains yourself its fine - I think.
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    • Profile picture of the author QWE
      Originally Posted by Theeban View Post

      Congrats mate,

      But still I am not clear on how you have got success with "article spin" - Does "article spin" work after penguin even?
      Article spin can work if you can do the following.

      1) Have a person spin the article close to 100% uniqueness
      2) do not submit to your typical article directory network
      3) have the anchor tag vary automatically per each article
      4) have the article links come from diverse unique IP range

      I am having an incredible success using this method as it leaves no footprint.
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      • Profile picture of the author ukcarl
        Originally Posted by Chrisbroholm View Post

        I'm still puzzled as to what happened to Carl, hope he's alright.
        Yeah I'm fine just been avoiding forums right now as I am extremely busy and trying to avoid things that drain my time, don't worry I'm still alive and kicking

        Originally Posted by normahl View Post

        This Thread is lame, since Carl got hit by penguin
        Who said I got hit by penguin? most of my sites are still doing very nicely thanks I saw some movement sure, but as a whole I saw only roughly a 15% dip in traffic and Adsense, things are still going well and this, in my opinion is still a great way to make money online
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        • Profile picture of the author Chrisbroholm
          Originally Posted by ukcarl View Post

          Yeah I'm fine just been avoiding forums right now as I am extremely busy and trying to avoid things that drain my time, don't worry I'm still alive and kicking



          Who said I got hit by penguin? most of my sites are still doing very nicely thanks I saw some movement sure, but as a whole I saw only roughly a 15% dip in traffic and Adsense, things are still going well and this, in my opinion is still a great way to make money online
          Welcome back Carl. Update your blog you lazy git
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  • Profile picture of the author imkaren
    Ouch...I am just thinking to buy Unique Article Wizard and maybe CTR theme (since it is so easy for adsense)...
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  • Profile picture of the author rowanman28
    I would assume the keyword research is the most important part of this process, and luck as well.
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  • Profile picture of the author CaptainNewgate
    Full time online...

    thats wonderful .. someday I want to do the same ..

    may you achieve all success ..

    thanks for sharing the tips!!
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  • Profile picture of the author QWE
    Thanks for sharing. Has Penguin affected you at all?
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  • Profile picture of the author conners88
    Good to see your still about carl, looking forward to see you May and June reports on your blog.
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    If you feel anyone can achieve good results, even people who are new to this industry.
    I can earn more than you.
    Thanks
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  • Profile picture of the author Mantasmo
    Man you must be one of the lucky few who followed the mini sites + spam links strategy and didn't get hit by Google Penguin. I'm serious. Everyone I know got hit pretty bad. Sure, some only moved from #1-2 to #7-10, but that equals 90% traffic loss, lol.
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    • Profile picture of the author Builder154
      Originally Posted by bnetwork View Post

      Man you must be one of the lucky few who followed the mini sites + spam links strategy and didn't get hit by Google Penguin. I'm serious. Everyone I know got hit pretty bad. Sure, some only moved from #1-2 to #7-10, but that equals 90% traffic loss, lol.
      That continues to be something that confuses me about this whole method. The idea is to find something with a relatively easy top 10 to crack. But I'm finding you really have to be in the top 2 or 3 positions to get even moderate amounts of traffic and make anything. Even if you make the top 6 or top 10, it doesn't seem to be enough if you're not in the top 3.
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      • Profile picture of the author Mantasmo
        Originally Posted by Builder154 View Post

        That continues to be something that confuses me about this whole method. The idea is to find something with a relatively easy top 10 to crack. But I'm finding you really have to be in the top 2 or 3 positions to get even moderate amounts of traffic and make anything. Even if you make the top 6 or top 10, it doesn't seem to be enough if you're not in the top 3.
        Yea, that's why I go after high traffic keywords. With 2-4 million combined exact match searches, ranking #7 to #12 for hundreds of keywords gives pretty good returns.

        With micro niche websites it's really a #1 or nothing deal. They are easier to rank for though.
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        • Profile picture of the author Builder154
          Originally Posted by bnetwork View Post

          Yea, that's why I go after high traffic keywords. With 2-4 million combined exact match searches, ranking #7 to #12 for hundreds of keywords gives pretty good returns.

          With micro niche websites it's really a #1 or nothing deal. They are easier to rank for though.
          Yeah how on earth do you rank for keywords that are popular enough to get millions of searches?
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          • Profile picture of the author Mantasmo
            Originally Posted by Builder154 View Post

            Yeah how on earth do you rank for keywords that are popular enough to get millions of searches?
            That's a total for 100+ keywords.

            edit: with a good website and some backlinks, ranking #7-#12 isn't too hard. Top 3 is always a challenge though and can take a looong time to crack.
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            • Profile picture of the author Builder154
              Originally Posted by bnetwork View Post

              That's a total for 100+ keywords.

              edit: with a good website and some backlinks, ranking #7-#12 isn't too hard. Top 3 is always a challenge though and can take a looong time to crack.

              Can you define "some backlinks"? Even at 100 sites, 4 million searches would be keywords with 40,000 searches which is massive.
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              • Profile picture of the author Mantasmo
                Originally Posted by Builder154 View Post

                Can you define "some backlinks"? Even at 100 sites, 4 million searches would be keywords with 40,000 searches which is massive.
                Not sure if those are two separate questions or...

                1. How many backlink you build really depends on where your keywords settle after the initial building + backlinking campaign. Sometimes just 1 good PR5 link can push a page into top 3.

                2. Yes, some of the keywords get 100k+ exacts, others as low as 400. I gave you a rough total - work with it. Also, note that I said keywords, not websites. That's just one website with over 200 pages (close to 300 now).
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                • Profile picture of the author Builder154
                  Originally Posted by bnetwork View Post

                  Not sure if those are two separate questions or...

                  1. How many backlink you build really depends on where your keywords settle after the initial building + backlinking campaign. Sometimes just 1 good PR5 link can push a page into top 3.

                  2. Yes, some of the keywords get 100k+ exacts, others as low as 400. I gave you a rough total - work with it. Also, note that I said keywords, not websites. That's just one website with over 200 pages (close to 300 now).
                  Are you buying those high PR backlinks or you have your own private blog network?

                  For a keyword with 100k exacts, what kind of competition are we talking about? Are you finding keywords with that kind of traffic but still low competition? Or are you buying so many backlinks you can compete in extremely competitive situations?
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                  • Profile picture of the author Mantasmo
                    Originally Posted by Builder154 View Post

                    Are you buying those high PR backlinks or you have your own private blog network?
                    Both. Once the money starts rolling in (some keywords start ranking), I reinvest 100% back into the site for at least 3-6 months.

                    For a keyword with 100k exacts, what kind of competition are we talking about? Are you finding keywords with that kind of traffic but still low competition? Or are you buying so many backlinks you can compete in extremely competitive situations?
                    I don't really measure competition. Tell me what stats you want to see and I'll give you more details.

                    This website now has over 300 high quality pages, so it carries a lot of internal weight. Proper internal linking, good content structure and lots of good backlinks + a wide brand footprint can do wonders.
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  • Profile picture of the author Catinas87
    Great story. thanks for sharing
    How are you doing now after Penguin Update?
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  • Profile picture of the author RedShifted
    I see a lot of people in this thread complaining about keyword research. Or writing things about how they manually determine SOC.

    You guys are making a lot of rules about the fact that you shouldn't target higher competition keywords. I know thats part of carls strategy, but my opinion is a bit different.

    When I first tried ranking a site, I had NO IDEA how to properly determine what was and what as NOT a competitive keyword.

    I still am not good at it.

    However. The first site I EVER targeted wound up being a fairly competitive keyword. This wasn't for adsense but for something that can make you a lot more money (lead generation).

    In only 2 months I have already managed to rank the site page 1 in the #5 position. I diversified my links, and used the naked url in 100% of my backlinks.

    I wrote myself up a backlinking formula, then went to it. On the side, once a week I would order a fiver gig. Now after only a couple months I'm on page 1 and the business is getting calls. I sell the leads for $30 each, then collect commission on top of that.

    THIS is the business model I will be persuing personally. Mainly because I had success on my first try so that tells me to scale up and go at it harder.

    But really, you don't have to aim at the least competitive sites. Just learn very well what google does and does not like, and avoid all the things google hates.

    I am an idiot when it comes to seo, I know there are people out there that are masters at it. But the ONE THING I focused on most was organization. I practically built myself an empire in msword of accounts/login, about 90 pages long for all my backlinking. I used scrapebox to find relevant high pr blogs, make audio bits that I upload to youtube (people don't understand you don't even need to make videos). Posting on facebook and all social media accounts, blogger.com etc, I have accounts on about 40 forums that allow sigs also. I also do business directory submissions although I hate it because those links never seem to show up.

    BUILD YOURSELF AN ONLINE EMPIRE. Keep all your info in the same file. One thing I learned about my competition was even the sites with pr3 didn't have a lot of quality backlinks. So maybe the niche wasn't as competitive as I thought. All I know is my first go I've ranked page 1. SO PEOPLE JUST TAKE FREAKN ACTION AND STOP ASKING QUESTIONS!

    I think Carl has also gotten sick of answering so many questions. Just imagine how many hours he's wasted coming on here to reassure peoples egos.

    There are other ways to make money outside of adsense and amazon/clickbank just because I see everyone doing these 3 I'm now making it a point to do local lead generation only.

    Maybe one day I'll make my own thread if I can consistently create results like I have with my first site.

    Good luck to all! - Red
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  • Profile picture of the author marco005
    Hi,

    crazy method! ukcarl does you have only adsense on your sites or does you mix your sites up with amazon or other advertisement, so they not look like only MFA sites?

    I mean TryBPO has said that; "When you not build 50 or 100 sites in a month/week, you lost money"

    But that is huge expensive for everyone who can not write good native english.
    Build 50 micro niche sites in a month each with 10 pages,with an lets say 300 word article on each page, that's expensive to hire a writer. That are 500 pages with each has an 300 word written article, that's to expensive for me, I can build 3-5 micro niche sites in a month.

    Is it quality enough when an short 200 word article is spin with the Spin rewriter2.0 or any other free/less cost alternatives? Is it worth enough to make serious money with adsense?

    best wishes
    marco005
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    • Profile picture of the author TryBPO
      Originally Posted by marco005 View Post

      Hi,

      crazy method! ukcarl does you have only adsense on your sites or does you mix your sites up with amazon or other advertisement, so they not look like only MFA sites?

      I mean TryBPO has said that; "When you not build 50 or 100 sites in a month/week, you lost money"

      But that is huge expensive for everyone who can not write good native english.
      Hey Marco!

      I should point out that OUR process requires that we build a large amount of sites each month for it to be worth it for us. That's because our sites, on average, earn less than many other people that are building niche sites as well.

      I'm not sure why ours earn less. It could be our "Publisher Score"...it could be our limited linkbuilding. It could be the fact we target really longtail keywords.

      Either way, there are plenty of ways to skin a cat. There are others that build sites that earn $70/month on average. Some build sites that earn $300/month on average. Of course, we'd love to be able to add that process to our arsenal as well as our niche sites, but we haven't found a method that works for us there yet. If we do, we'll definitely let you know! :-)
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  • Profile picture of the author Labyrinth
    Carl, what a great inspirational story, thanks!

    Im curious how many sites you made since late February (time when you started this thread)? Are those equally successful?
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  • Profile picture of the author CYMac
    Wow very motivating but hard to do.. haha.. $2k a moth is not really what anybody can do.. admire...
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    • Profile picture of the author beauxesprits
      Not being suspicious but a snapshot of your earnings after the penguin update would be great, because the way you worked with spinned articles and SB, ordering fiverr gigs you are bound to hit by penguin. But as you said you are not, please bring forward a snapshot to prove your words.
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      • Profile picture of the author MattC
        Originally Posted by beauxesprits View Post

        Not being suspicious but a snapshot of your earnings after the penguin update would be great, because the way you worked with spinned articles and SB, ordering fiverr gigs you are bound to hit by penguin. But as you said you are not, please bring forward a snapshot to prove your words.
        Good point I'd like to see how things go too after the penguin.
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  • Profile picture of the author marco005
    Hi

    ukcarl; does you make your adsense links blue? or you have always blue links over your site,in the title, in the sidebar and so on....????


    best wishes
    marco005
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  • Profile picture of the author marco005
    Hi,

    @TyrBPO
    what are the best keywords for profitable adsense sites?
    Buyer product keywords (or better with amazon?)

    Or info keywords infos around a topic (niche) or around a product?

    best wishes
    marco005
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  • Profile picture of the author clairejoannah
    well done
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  • Profile picture of the author noomnoi
    Thanks for your inspiring post!
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  • Profile picture of the author Randize
    Thanks for sharing! And taking action.
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  • Profile picture of the author marco005
    Hi,

    does anybody use auto poster to build sb backlinks??

    best wishes
    marco005
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  • Profile picture of the author marco005
    Hi,

    ukcarl; have you make experiences with the adsense search bar?

    Some guru's said that is the most profitable ad.

    marco005
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  • Profile picture of the author Haikela84
    Very inspiring, Carl! I'm also earning a significant amount of money from my websites, but it's because they're mostly service-based. Someday soon, I'd really like to start my own affiliate / Adsense sites so that I can also enjoy passive income.
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  • Profile picture of the author marco005
    Hi,

    nobody knows adsense search bar, nobody knows auto poster........

    marco005
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  • Profile picture of the author marco005
    Hi,

    to have great success with micro adsense sites, does the content on them must be real 100% unique or is 50-60% unique written content enough?

    marco005
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  • Profile picture of the author marco005
    Hi,

    @ukcarl; when I type a specific product in google external tool like;
    xxx executive office desk, google does not shown any search volume or any cpc for that key it shows no data.

    Does it mean nobody search for this keyword and nobody makes advertises for this keyword?

    Or should I use this keyword when the competition is low, equal what external tool shows to me?

    best wishes
    marco005
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  • Profile picture of the author marco005
    Hi,

    When external tool -keyword tool shows you not cpc data,then try type your keyword in the kontextual tool most it shows the cpc for your keyword.

    Damn hard to find 10-20 keywords in same niche, who all have an cpc around 3$ or more, one keyword has an cpc over3$, the ohter only has an cpc around 0,95$ or so.

    Hard keyword search work.
    I don't understand why a keyword in same niche or product niche has over3$ -and the other keyword only 095$-why? Is it lesser popular or what? Not Guru can explain me that.

    marco005
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  • Profile picture of the author marco005
    Hi,

    does anybody sleep on this great thread?

    My question:does websites who have a great adsense income have short or long written content on their sites ,lets say around 800 words?

    Does users who come to such an adsense site read such long content ?
    Does such pages with long reading content have an high ctr??? Or high adsense payout?

    marco005
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  • Profile picture of the author ownergolan
    I hope you are still doing well Carl, i've followed up with few sites, though im looking into posting just 1 1000 words article on each site, to see who has any chance.

    Be sure to update us so all the haters could shut up .
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  • Profile picture of the author zourkas
    Awesome and very inspirational information.

    can you tell me how many results are there with the:

    allintitle:keyword
    allinurl:keyword
    keyword
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  • Profile picture of the author Madridista
    Will be mine....
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    any updates?
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  • Profile picture of the author marco005
    Hi,

    ukcarl, do you make adsense money from all your websites, some more-some lesser, or does you make your adsense money only from a few of your websites- also 20% of them or more or so, or does all sites ranks good and brings the same amount of money?

    best wishes
    marco005
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  • Profile picture of the author K Mec
    This type of income is really a dream for every IM. Good and inspirational.
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  • Profile picture of the author Funkymonkeyman
    Wow. Another warrior post to add to my bookmarks. Gj

    One question though: Do you make all of the content for your website first, then start link building?
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  • Profile picture of the author adamvanwildest
    you're getting there, keep working hard and soon you'll make some real money, adsense is great.
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  • Profile picture of the author zombiehunter
    Banned
    How much of that income is pure profit? I am sure you need to outsouce especially if you need to churn out quality content a lot.
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  • Profile picture of the author kdbbdk
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    Nice method, i think it may work
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    thank you for share!
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  • Profile picture of the author mec64
    Your story has definitely instilled some hope in regard to my own niche site venture. Determination, organization and knowledge will get you anywhere in life.

    I have a quick question on the niche finder software you're using. Have you tried any other software so you can compare the results? I'm using Spencer's Long Tail Pro, and I'm just wondering if you find Micro Niche Finder easy to use, quick and accurate?

    Thank you for sharing your success with the forum, and keep up the great work!
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    • Profile picture of the author ttomp13
      Originally Posted by mec64 View Post

      I have a quick question on the niche finder software you're using. Have you tried any other software so you can compare the results? I'm using Spencer's Long Tail Pro, and I'm just wondering if you find Micro Niche Finder easy to use, quick and accurate?
      Market Samurai is a pretty good tool. You can download it and use it for free
      for like 2 weeks right now. I would check it out.

      In any case, using Google and simply downloading the SEM Rush toolbar for
      firefox is also effective. Of course, you have to manually do the research. Just
      make sure the top sites have a PR less than 3, only a few backlinks, and the
      quoted results for a keyword are low. (Less than 40,000)

      Other good signs are when Yahoo Answers pages are ranking in the top results,
      or you see another marketer already ranking high with an EMD with barely any
      backlinks, or barely any content on their site.

      The thing that's nice about Market Samurai is that it tells you how many clicks
      you're going to potentially get to your site for ranking #1, not just how many
      times a keyword is searched.
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      • Profile picture of the author mec64
        Originally Posted by ttomp13 View Post

        Market Samurai is a pretty good tool. You can download it and use it for free
        for like 2 weeks right now. I would check it out.

        In any case, using Google and simply downloading the SEM Rush toolbar for
        firefox is also effective. Of course, you have to manually do the research. Just
        make sure the top sites have a PR less than 3, only a few backlinks, and the
        quoted results for a keyword are low. (Less than 40,000)

        Other good signs are when Yahoo Answers pages are ranking in the top results,
        or you see another marketer already ranking high with an EMD with barely any
        backlinks, or barely any content on their site.

        The thing that's nice about Market Samurai is that it tells you how many clicks
        you're going to potentially get to your site for ranking #1, not just how many
        times a keyword is searched.
        Thank you for the great reply! Very helpful. Especially about spotting certain sites that will be a dead giveaway of how easy a keyword is to rank.
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  • Profile picture of the author marco005
    Hi,

    has anyone adsense success with this method in other countries than US??
    I have heard that the adsense ctr in europe is many lower than in US, most are happy when they have a 3% ctr but 5%,8% or more is not possible in europe.


    marco005
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  • Profile picture of the author BatuhanSASI
    is this you ?

    nichechoppers(.)com/showthread.php?7577-From-0-to-2000-Newbies-Journals

    Originally Posted by ukcarl View Post

    Hi everyone I just wanted to add this thread about my experience in the last 3 months going full time online, hopefully it can act as a bit of motivation for those of you out there that may be struggling to get going and perhaps are not making any of much money yet.



    This is something I feel anyone can achieve good results with, even people who are new to this industry, the process is basically building a network of small niche sites and monetizing them with Adsense or affiliate products.


    Now I should add this is nothing new, it's a technique that has been round for years, but its what's working for me right now and its working really well, right now as I write this in February my Adsense income is going to exceed $1700 this month and other affiliate commissions will come in at about $500 so $2200 for the month and I only started doing this at the end of November.



    Below is the full process I use to build these sites:


    Keyword research

    • Each site is focused around just 1 keyword so I find a keyword with at least 1000 exact searches a month, which passes my criteria for low competition which are:
    • Under 100,000 competing pages in Google when searched in quotes the lower the better
    • Low first page competition (to measure this I use Micro Niche Finder)
    • Exact Match domain available in either of the following .com .org .net (sometimes I will add a suffix or prefix if these three are not available and the keyword is too good to pass on)
    Setting up Site

    For all my sites I use Wordpress, why? Simple because it's easy to set up and you don't need to know anything about code once the site is set up which takes about 10 minutes, I add the following plugins:
    • All in one SEO pack
    • Simple Google analytics
    That's it; in my experience I find I don't need anything else.


    Content

    To start with these sites are small, I only add 3x500 word pages of original high quality content to begin with, this content is written for good onpage SEO but should add real value (not junk content) so the content follows the following rules:


    • High quality useful content
    • Keyword in the title
    • Keyword should be in the first and last paragraph and the one in the first paragraph should be in bold
    • I don't concentrate that much on keyword density but generally 1 - 2%
    • LSI keywords, THIS IS REALLY IMPROTANT I like to use 5 - 10 LSI terms in my posts, I find these by searching the main keyword in Googles keyword tool, the results will be displayed in order of relevance so I choose a hand full to use in my posts.
    • When you add the content also use the LSI keywords in your keywords for the all in one seo pack and your tags.
    • Every post will be added to the same category which will be the main keyword.
    Pages

    As well as our content we also want to add an about page, a contact page and a privacy policy the about and contact are just simple short pages and I generate the privacy policy at the following site serprank.com/privacy-policy-generator


    Monitize
    Most of my sites are monetized with Adsense for this I am currently using CTR theme but this is up to you I can personally only speak for my own results with this theme, which are good .
    Linkbuilding

    My link building process is very simple but also very effective; I buy a social bookmarking gig on Fiverr.com for a couple hundred social bookmark back links, next I will take a new 300 word article and spin it and use it for submission using Unique Article Wizard (if you don't pay for this tool monthly there are also fiverr gigs for this).


    BOOOOOM that's it done, I am currently building one of these sites a day and in roughly 3 months I have got to over $2000/month this month.


    Now this technique is not for everyone and I know many people out there prefer the authority site model, but here's the thing I don't want to debate which is best, this is just what's working for me right now, plus it is totally compliant with Googles Terms Of Service so this is totally legit.


    What's more is you will find that with testing so many niches you will find some real winners with this technique and there is nothing to stop you scaling these sites out to more of an authority site.


    Here's the thing this works FACT! The only thing that will stop you with this technique is not doing it


    TAKE ACTION NOW!
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  • Profile picture of the author ttomp13
    My only concern with this method, which is a good method, is the fact that
    you're article spinning. I recently wrote a thread on spinning, and how it
    actually caused me to lose rankings on two of my sites.

    If Google devalues these spun links in the future, all of your work goes down
    the drain, am I correct?


    This is a damn GREAT strategy that you have, and mine is similar. The only
    difference is that in my strategy, I submit articles to directories such as
    Ezine, Amazines, Go Articles, and then to Blogger and Wordpress. But the
    difference is, these articles are 100% unique.

    5 to 10 page sites do work really well in my experience as well. 500-word
    articles are perfect. I like to do 1,500-word articles for my main keyword.

    ALSO, I like to do PAGES, not blog posts. If I know a site is going to only be
    10 to 20 pages, it's a SITE, not a blog. I think people get confused as to
    when they need a blog vs when they need a site.


    BLOGS are longterm sites that you're constantly updating.

    Sites you put up, and then you're pretty much done.

    I like to set a Wordpress PAGE as my HOMEPAGE for my main keyword.

    Great strategy overall, man. I just get concerned about the article spinning.
    Nevertheless, we pretty much do the same thing.

    PS: My final concern is watch out for getting slapped with an MFA by
    AdSense.
    Be sure you're getting income from other programs like
    Amazon, and other affiliate programs as well. You'll find that these
    programs will probably make you more money anyway.
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  • Profile picture of the author rahulchauhan700
    Thats cool , how many sites you made in total to achieve those $2000
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    Good stuff mate..
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  • Profile picture of the author anwar001
    Congrats on your success. Its a nice strategy and its working perfectly for you. The good thing is that the initial investment is very low, so many beginners on this forum who are struggling to earn money can try this one out for few weeks or couple of months to see how they fare with it.

    However, my advice would be to target a few more keywords for each site (mostly long tail keywords without much competition) as Google is really going after thin sites these days. Even if the strategy is working nicely currently, you might not want to risk your income in the coming months or years.
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  • Profile picture of the author marco005
    Hi,

    I think this is a good method but the investments are not so low, when you must outsurce writing your homepage with 800 words and 5 more pages about 500 words and then outsource to write an web2.0 article and then buy a fiverr gig for backlink to the web2.0 and from them link to your money site.

    This alone is an investment from 30$ per niche site plus domain and hosting.

    So when you need 50 niche sites like ukcarl to make 2000$ every month-that is an investment of 1500$, is this low? This may be subjective.

    When you not have the money you can only build 5 such niche sites every month , so you will earn that amount of money after 1 year.

    And then not all your 50 niche sites will well rank and make 30-40$ every month-no, some will make a little bit more, some lesser, some zero.So you must calculate to build up 80 niche sites.....so when 30% of them get zero results so there you have you other 50 sites who make success.

    marco005
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  • Profile picture of the author PhilJensen
    Originally Posted by Extreme DoFollow View Post

    For me, $1500 + all the work involved for $2000 a month (not guaranteed to be stable) is not a good enough ROI for me. I aim for double that ROI (at the very least) otherwise I don't bother with the project.
    I agree 100%. I see a lot of people making this mistake. You have to really gauge the potential ROI or ROT (return on time) versus the potential payoff. If this ratio is way off I will drop projects ASAP.

    Phil
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  • Profile picture of the author Ant B
    Working out ROI based on one month is way off the mark.

    1500 investes to make 2000 is 500 profit the first month but 22000 pure profit when the sites continue to earn for say the next 11 months.

    Better still ride the profit for a month or two to build proof of earnings anfmd then flip them for 10x their last months profit or more..

    Stop being short sighted people, you need to invest, often at a loss in any real business. Profit will follow if you do it right.
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  • Profile picture of the author bobbyhouston
    This is so cool and sound like you can quit your job and live off these adsense sites. The only problem I see with doing this is that you have to have so many. You said you make 1 per day, if you bought a domain for each one that adds up to about $900 in 3 months, plus paying for the bookmarking you are looking at another $450 or so, then original content, my god. I'm sure if you can pull all that off you'll have a decent residual income for life I guess so it seems worth it if you have the upfront cash to invest like that. Most newbie marketers are not as confident in the results to put up 3 months of time and funds into something. I'm wondering if you can tell me could this method work with free sites like blogger or blogspot or something just to cut down on the domain buying?
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  • Profile picture of the author marco005
    Hi,

    why on hell so many people talk about to flip their adsense sites after 1 year?

    Why sell a good business? When you sell it on flippa your money busienss site is gone.
    When you not sell on flippa you have save your monthly income.

    A youg niche website who makes 30$ in month with adsense, I can not believe that anyone on flippa will pay you 300$ for this site. When I pay 300$, so the site must make 500$ every month, yes that is a good normal ROI, but not 300$ for a site who makes 30$ in month with adsense...

    marco
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    • Profile picture of the author Mantasmo
      Originally Posted by marco005 View Post

      A youg niche website who makes 30$ in month with adsense, I can not believe that anyone on flippa will pay you 300$ for this site. When I pay 300$, so the site must make 500$ every month, yes that is a good normal ROI, but not 300$ for a site who makes 30$ in month with adsense...
      I've sold dozens of sites in the $1500-$3000 range. Mostly for 10-12x monthly. There's far more demand than supply for good Adsense websites, especially in this price range.

      Additionally, your post makes no sense whatsoever. Why sell a $500/month site for $300? (unless it's all faked). A well established Adsense site with history and doing consistent $500/month can easily fetch 12-16x monthly or more.

      I flip some of my websites, because I build them with a view to sell in the future. Just another way to make money.

      edit: of course don't sell if you have no plans to reinvest all that money. Some of us run proper businesses here, with big plans and shit.

      P.S. only joking, there are no businesses on the interwebs.
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    • Profile picture of the author mosthost
      Originally Posted by marco005 View Post

      Hi,

      why on hell so many people talk about to flip their adsense sites after 1 year?

      Why sell a good business? When you sell it on flippa your money busienss site is gone.
      When you not sell on flippa you have save your monthly income.

      A youg niche website who makes 30$ in month with adsense, I can not believe that anyone on flippa will pay you 300$ for this site. When I pay 300$, so the site must make 500$ every month, yes that is a good normal ROI, but not 300$ for a site who makes 30$ in month with adsense...

      marco
      Marco, it's because Adsense is far from being a good business at all. In fact, all your money comes from a third party that's very happy to ban you without appeal or prior notice. Not only that, they KEEP the last 30 days of earnings when they do it.

      There are so many posts about Adsense bannings, it's enough to make your blood curdle.
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      • Profile picture of the author Mantasmo
        Originally Posted by mosthost View Post

        There are so many posts about Adsense bannings, it's enough to make your blood curdle.
        Nah man, nothing wrong with Adsense. Look at some of the websites running Adsense, do they really deserve to be there (ranking/earning)? There's your answer right there.

        I don't know anyone who has been banned from Adsense. Ever. It's just like with anything in life - do shit work and you will get canned/not paid and kicked the hell out.

        There's no "best" way to optimize a site.
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        • Profile picture of the author dakar
          Originally Posted by bnetwork View Post

          Nah man, nothing wrong with Adsense. Look at some of the websites running Adsense, do they really deserve to be there (ranking/earning)? There's your answer right there.

          I don't know anyone who has been banned from Adsense. Ever. It's just like with anything in life - do shit work and you will get canned/not paid and kicked the hell out.

          There's no "best" way to optimize a site.
          Very true Bnetwork. I've had my adsense sites for over 6 years now and I've never run into any trouble. My sites have a ton of competition and I was always scared that they would intentionally harm my site, but its never happened. I just made sure I read up on the rules and never do anything strange.
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  • Profile picture of the author raindrops100
    Thanks for that information
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  • Profile picture of the author marco005
    Hi,

    thanks for information people.

    @bnetwork; young adsense sites say 6 months old who makes 30$ in month, can I sell on flippa 10x times,also for 300$ ???

    marco005
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    • Profile picture of the author Mantasmo
      Originally Posted by marco005 View Post

      Hi,

      thanks for information people.

      @bnetwork; young adsense sites say 6 months old who makes 30$ in month, can I sell on flippa 10x times,also for 300$ ???

      marco005
      If the site has been earning for a couple months and everything checks out - yeah. Maybe about 7-8x if you're new to flippa and have no feedback there.

      edit: by "x" I mean times monthly earnings, not sell the same site x times.
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      • Profile picture of the author nik0
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        Originally Posted by bnetwork View Post

        If the site has been earning for a couple months and everything checks out - yeah. Maybe about 7-8x if you're new to flippa and have no feedback there.

        edit: by "x" I mean times monthly earnings, not sell the same site x times.
        Oh I always thought you would just rebuild the same site and sell it over and over :p
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  • Profile picture of the author sachin3
    Thanks for sharing.
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  • Profile picture of the author normahl
    People please wake up. Carl is not updating here nor does he update his blog. Penguin killed his site and he's probably struggling. Try this "SEO Method" and you will see in the future.
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    • Profile picture of the author sylph99
      Originally Posted by normahl View Post

      People please wake up. Carl is not updating here nor does he update his blog. Penguin killed his site and he's probably struggling. Try this "SEO Method" and you will see in the future.
      I'm glad someone finally wrote the obvious!
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      • Profile picture of the author webbyhubby
        But What is the status of all these Sites after EMD update,as on today Nov 13,2012
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    • Profile picture of the author online only
      Originally Posted by normahl View Post

      People please wake up. Carl is not updating here nor does he update his blog. Penguin killed his site and he's probably struggling. Try this "SEO Method" and you will see in the future.
      I totally agree with you... admins should close this thread. It's another spammy/stupid/low - system, especially now after penguins,pandas,emds etc... Carl is gone, his not in forum, his not posting his blog... He is problaly working is ass off in 8-5 job... Really, if newbs only read the first post and simply use this technique as the OP, they will fail... And they will fail hard.
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      • Profile picture of the author JSProjects
        Originally Posted by online only View Post

        I totally agree with you... admins should close this thread. It's another spammy/stupid/low - system, especially now after penguins,pandas,emds etc... Carl is gone, his not in forum, his not posting his blog... He is problaly working is ass off in 8-5 job... Really, if newbs only read the first post and simply use this technique as the OP, they will fail... And they will fail hard.
        Interesing how so much can change over the course of a year.
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  • Profile picture of the author hayriku
    I always had a prob with finding niche and keywords on it.
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  • Profile picture of the author tylerjaysen
    yeah this post is really cool. Thanks so much for posting your formula and what has worked for you to get to this level of success online. And as you say...you have to always keep going and don't give up at the beginning and stay focused. If you keep at it, you always learn and things become easier.
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  • Profile picture of the author ideabreaker
    nice work,Struggling always creates new ways for success
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    • Profile picture of the author pampoen
      Hey UK Carl hope all is going well? How are your sites holding up against googles EMD algo change?
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  • Profile picture of the author moneymoguls
    "Yea, this post is really cool"...I tried this method with zero results. If you think spammy backlinks will rank your website, you better think again. Google is smarter than that.
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    • Profile picture of the author MeysterR
      Originally Posted by moneymoguls View Post

      "Yea, this post is really cool"...I tried this method with zero results. If you think spammy backlinks will rank your website, you better think again. Google is smarter than that.
      Do you guys agree with this?
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      • Profile picture of the author Capbell
        Originally Posted by MeysterR View Post

        Do you guys agree with this?
        Try it and come let us know, it's the only way you will truly know the truth.

        However, UKCarl used this method on EMD, after the latest algorithm update, who knows if it still works (apart from him).
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  • Profile picture of the author bayu791
    wow fantastik
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  • Profile picture of the author densho
    I find your information to be preaty accurate and as always the best plan is a simple plan.
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  • Profile picture of the author maverickbiker
    how has panda, penguin etc. affected your sites?
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  • Profile picture of the author maeldk
    You must have been hit really hard from this EMD update from Google. I know I was... however my danish sites where not affected at ALL by this update.. only my US sites.
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  • Profile picture of the author cjshu99
    This thread was started in February. There have been a lot of changes
    In the internet seo world since then. Many affecting some of the things
    He suggests like exact match domains. Heck I had one site making me
    $800 a month back then.

    I wonder how much the changes have affecting his metods and income?
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    • Profile picture of the author pampoen
      Originally Posted by cjshu99 View Post

      This thread was started in February. There have been a lot of changes
      In the internet seo world since then. Many affecting some of the things
      He suggests like exact match domains. Heck I had one site making me
      $800 a month back then.

      I wonder how much the changes have affecting his metods and income?
      I took a look at ad-sense flippers yesterday and they lost a large majority of there ad-sense niche site income due to a few factors.They havn't said anything concrete yet but the just was that this is just another sweep by google to rid the net of thin badly written $5 sites that afford no value at all, this is good.Of course as with all big G algo changes there is always collateral damage as the little men in white lab coats behind computer screens tap away trying to keep things stable.I think if you want your site/s to do well just do things Google's way.
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      • Profile picture of the author pampoen
        I hope that last comment i made didn't discourage any people wanting to earn money from niche sites.On the contrary, lets look at what has been written here, digest it and take action the way we feel best.Every body is different and so every take on a challenge will be different.The only way you will know if it works is to go out and feel the water.Evaluate, Digest, Attack.
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        • Profile picture of the author chikepeter
          Grate fellows
          What l learn so far is once u master the pattern UKcarl listed here plus knowledge of what google wants l don't u have any problem henceforth,for the fact u present a unique site that shows the user excertly what they are looking for. Google ill love u otherwise u get more than what u bargain for.
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  • Profile picture of the author Periwinkle
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    Thanks very inspirational
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  • Profile picture of the author susansaunders
    Wow! Thanks for sharing this one with us, and congratulations on your success with adsense.
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  • Profile picture of the author mokmos
    Thank you very much for that honest and detailed post.I wish I could be like you in one day .I just started one Wordpress blog .please tell me what is the meaning of UAW?
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  • Profile picture of the author aizaku
    i used to do this before April and it did work. however after google released the zoo animals all of my 3 to five pages sites fell from their top spots on google.

    only my authority site survived and i ended up deleting the rest.

    I'm amazed this strategy is still working for you now. Good on you dude and best of luck.

    i urge you however to invest in an authority site if you have the time.
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  • Profile picture of the author wellm97
    Thanks for guiding people. I will implement these ideas
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  • Profile picture of the author scoolyob
    Nice , Thanks for your guide..I have tried for MMO a bout 2 month ... keep going !
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    Thanks a lot!
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  • Profile picture of the author Nickro
    The method probably does work if you adjust to todays google updates , this tread is old and his sites are not doing so well i should think , didnt see him reply to this thread anymore so i guess im right , the method works but buying your links like that on fiver is wrong from my point of view , you will get deleted from google , im trying with my websites to be natural google barelly ranks , blackhat i think its to risky to do anymore now. Guess i started to late.
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  • Hi UKCarl, I really liked your system, it is simple and stright to the point. I know this thread is not new and maybe i won't get a reply but i would like to see your blog (can you PM me), you also mention you have a free guide on it and as i am a newbee still making USD 0,oo i would like to check it out

    Thanks for the inspiration
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  • Profile picture of the author srodoks
    regarding UAW do u rewrite your articles twice or do you just use spintex?
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  • Profile picture of the author marco005
    Hi,

    These systems who will works with adsense as with affiliate products, the devil is in detail.
    I mean that when you will build 100 MNS sites in one time, this means an huge investment
    of min. 3500$ for good written articles and seo-minimum.

    For affiliate products you will need longer, better written articles who cost more.
    Seo, are 2 recommend fiverr gigs enough to push your site fast to google page one #2- #5 ranking spot?
    Or does you need more than 2 fiverr gigs, you need an monthly seo service/backlink service who costs up to $30 month for 1 MNS site to push it to google #1?
    I don't know.

    marco005
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  • Profile picture of the author marco005
    Hi again,

    ukcarl; does all your 50 adsense sites rank good in google page 1, or does you have build first 100-120 sites and now 50 of them are ranking in google page 1?

    (some marketers says that 30% from 100 sites will rank in google page 1) it mean you must build and invest in 100 sites to get 30 of them good google page 1 ranking and these 30 sites makes money??

    best wishes
    marco005
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    • Profile picture of the author JSProjects
      Originally Posted by d10ko View Post

      This technique is up to date. On fiverr you will get spammy links that hurt your website.
      Seems like you're bumping up older / classic threads for some reason?
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  • Profile picture of the author inetguru_987
    I would rather spend my time working on a solid authority site then hundreds of these little sites that will be wiped out by Google after a single update.
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  • Profile picture of the author PrimaDNA1989
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    Baffling. I have spent a good hour or so and have learnt so much. It is quite fascinating how something that is made to appear as long and complicated can be made profitable farily quickly. Thanks.
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