Is it possible to get blacklisted by Google, Yahoo and/or Bing using Xrumer and ScrapeBox?

by cTory
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Hey everyone, Ernest here.

You know the seo blackhat softwares that have many features like ScrapeBox and Xrumer. What are the reasons to have your websites blacklisted from the search engines? What are also the chances of getting your website banned by the search engines?
#and or or #bing #blacklisted #google #scrapebox #xrumer #yahoo
  • You just need to use softwares intelligently.Here are some tips and you will never blacklisted.

    Do not overuse 1 software.

    Do not create 1000 of links in one go.Create links constantly and uniformly.

    Here is a strategy I use and I never get banned


    1st day use social network module of senuke.
    2nd day create profile links using xrummer
    3rd day create forum posts using xrummer
    4th day amr blast
    5th day bookmarkings using BMD
    6th day scrapebox comment blast

    Repeat this every weak

    Enjoy top rankings
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  • Profile picture of the author michaelcorvin
    I agree with CaptailJack...just be smart...BUT...

    No, Google is not going to blacklist you for generating crappy backlinks. Think about this...

    ...If Google would blacklist you from using XRummer...than the first thing a nasty IM'er would do is go to Fivver.com, buy several campaigns against your worst competitors, and get them blacklisted. Google is smarter than that.

    Not going to get you blacklisted but you need to make sure your link building campaign is natural. If you have 10,000 backlinks the 3rd day your site is up...Google will realized that you are up to no good.

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    • Profile picture of the author Venturetothetop
      Originally Posted by michaelcorvin View Post


      ...If Google would blacklist you from using XRummer...than the first thing a nasty IM'er would do is go to Fivver.com, buy several campaigns against your worst competitors, and get them blacklisted. Google is smarter than that.
      Misguided information.

      Bad backlinks DO HURT you. I know this first hand because somebody here on this very forum's 'Warrior for hire' section has attempted to sandbox me because I complained about his service. (link for proof http://www.warriorforum.com/warriors...ml#post5626379)

      Thankfully one of the sites he hit with backlinks was my quite old (my blog) and thus had a lot of sway as it had also hit the Digg front page numerous times in the past. It still lost massively in serps this past week and I have recieved many spam complaints from people who took the time to come to blog and complain.

      I lost over 40 places on my key terms but I'm told as long as I do not see the 'minus 50' penalty it will all bounce back.

      My other site however was not so lucky. It was quite new and has disappeared off serps for the time being. Again I hope this is temporary.

      YOU CAN GET SOMEONE SANDBOXED OR AT LEAST HURT THIER SITE.

      The only way to stop long term damaging effect is to ensure you build a diverse range of links yourself over a long period of time. If Google knows you are a legit site, it is almost impossible to sandbox you - I received a penalty on my blog but will bounce back.

      New sites however, are open to attacks.

      That is my true experience during February 2012...
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  • Profile picture of the author vufxteam
    your backlinking strategy should seem as organic as possible and never use such tools directly on your website. i would use them on 2-tier backlinks instead
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  • Profile picture of the author davejug1
    Yes they can and will penalize you, a banning outright is very unlikely but you will appear in like the very last pages of rankings. And yes this has been used as a weapon in the past.

    It's all about moderation, but any artificially create link with no relevant content is considered BH by Google.
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  • Profile picture of the author megawarrior
    If your site is new, build Web 2.0 properties linking to your site, and run Xrumer/Scrapebox blasts on the Web 2.0's.

    Also, drip feed links as it looks more natural.
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  • Profile picture of the author ishuvonet
    There are always a risk when you use automation.In case of building links Google always prefer natural ways.If you try to get blast of backlinks to a new site or you build many backlinks to your site in short time that can harm you so badly by Goolge.So keep it natural and keep it regular.
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  • Profile picture of the author seobuzz
    It may or may not penalize your website using the Blackhat SEO tools for building backlinks.

    But you get one thing right If Google detects that you are using s/w for building backlinks then you will surely not get any benefits from those backlinks. And as Venturetothetop mentioned your website can get sandboxed.
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  • You would practically have to build Hundreds of Thousands of the same type of links within a day to get penalized by Google. Think of it this way: as website owners, we have no control over how many people link back to our sites everyday. Now, suppose you were to post classified information, or breaking news, about President Obama on your website. How many backlinks do you think you would get within a day? You'd most likely get thousands of links pointing back to your site from a variety of sites. This phenomenon happens everyday with popular websites that have great content. People love to link back them, and Google expects this natural occurrence. Google is aware that you cannot control or slow down backlinking. What is not considered normal backlinking by Google is when your site receives hundreds of thousands of backlinks in the same day from sites in the same niche.

    Also, suppose it were the case that Xrumer backlinks could cause your site to be penalized (don't worry, it's not). Well, wouldn't that be fine & dandy! :rolleyes: All you would need to do to knock your competitors out of the #1 spot would be to start up Xrumer and blast their site with thousands of links! Boy, wouldn't that be nice, if it were only that simple!

    Even if some of the sites that link to you are bad or "link farms", this will not hurt your site. Google may determine that those backlinks are of a lesser importance and they might not count as much towards your ranking, but they will not damage your site. Think of it this way: if it were possible to destroy a site's ranking this way, then we'd all be looking around for the next link farm to place our competitors' links on. Google realizes this, so it would be unfair to every website owner if backlinks (links on another website that point back to your site) could harm your site.

    However, you're right: Google is getting more severe with linking these days: with Outbound Links (which are completely different from Backlinks). Google has shown us with the new Panda Update that it doesn't like link farms. Meaning: If you want your website to rank highly you should Not have thousands of links ON your site pointing to other sites. Any links that are physically on your website are Outbound Links, which are not the same as backlinks.

    So, to summarize: Google will Not penalize you for the links that your website Receives, but it will penalize your site if it has too many Outbound Links (aka a Link Farm). Here is a very informative video showing that backlinks, which are also called "Incoming Links", cannot hurt your site:

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    • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
      Originally Posted by strategic seo services View Post

      You would practically have to build Hundreds of Thousands of the same type of links within a day to get penalized by Google. Think of it this way: as website owners, we have no control over how many people link back to our sites everyday. Now, suppose you were to post classified information, or breaking news, about President Obama on your website. How many backlinks do you think you would get within a day? You'd most likely get thousands of links pointing back to your site from a variety of sites. This phenomenon happens everyday with popular websites that have great content. People love to link back them, and Google expects this natural occurrence. Google is aware that you cannot control or slow down backlinking. What is not considered normal backlinking by Google is when your site receives hundreds of thousands of backlinks in the same day from sites in the same niche.

      Also, suppose it were the case that Xrumer backlinks could cause your site to be penalized (don't worry, it's not). Well, wouldn't that be fine & dandy! :rolleyes: All you would need to do to knock your competitors out of the #1 spot would be to start up Xrumer and blast their site with thousands of links! Boy, wouldn't that be nice, if it were only that simple!

      Even if some of the sites that link to you are bad or "link farms", this will not hurt your site. Google may determine that those backlinks are of a lesser importance and they might not count as much towards your ranking, but they will not damage your site. Think of it this way: if it were possible to destroy a site's ranking this way, then we'd all be looking around for the next link farm to place our competitors' links on. Google realizes this, so it would be unfair to every website owner if backlinks (links on another website that point back to your site) could harm your site.

      However, you're right: Google is getting more severe with linking these days: with Outbound Links (which are completely different from Backlinks). Google has shown us with the new Panda Update that it doesn't like link farms. Meaning: If you want your website to rank highly you should Not have thousands of links ON your site pointing to other sites. Any links that are physically on your website are Outbound Links, which are not the same as backlinks.

      So, to summarize: Google will Not penalize you for the links that your website Receives, but it will penalize your site if it has too many Outbound Links (aka a Link Farm). Here is a very informative video showing that backlinks, which are also called "Incoming Links", cannot hurt your site:

      YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.
      All of this coming from someone who sells these kind of backlinks, so take that with a grain of salt.
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      • Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

        All of this coming from someone who sells these kind of backlinks, so take that with a grain of salt.
        You're right: I do sell these kind of backlinks, and I've never had one customer complaint.
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        • Profile picture of the author dsbusiness23
          Originally Posted by strategic seo services View Post

          You're right: I do sell these kind of backlinks, and I've never had one customer complaint.
          And she is completely correct. I understand that there are tons of people out there that have written post after post about getting too many links and losing serps.

          Two things. #1 - When a new website starts moving in the serps after you have been building backlinks you should be jumping around this is good news. Veterans of SEO understand that if your website is moving that not long from then you will be ranking.

          #2 - CONSISTENCY IS KEY! I can't stress this enough. Of course if you create 10,000 backlinks to your website one day and by the end of the week you hadn't created any more or substantially close to that amount then yes Google is going to wonder what is up.

          However if from day #1 you create 1,000 links and day number 2,3,4,5 etc. you keep it consistent you will soar in the serps! So many SEO people do not understand consistency and it is extremely important to your link building strategy!
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        • Profile picture of the author Venturetothetop
          Originally Posted by strategic seo services View Post

          You're right: I do sell these kind of backlinks, and I've never had one customer complaint.
          Does not mean for one minute that it cannot be misused. Check out my post nearer the top of the page...I have felt the effect of being bombarded with cheap links and of course Google will take notice if suddenly thousands of poor quality links start appearing ...

          You may do it the right way - but that same method can be used to damage others.
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          • Profile picture of the author dsbusiness23
            Originally Posted by Venturetothetop View Post

            Does not mean for one minute that it cannot be misused. Check out my post nearer the top of the page...I have felt the effect of being bombarded with cheap links and of course Google will take notice if suddenly thousands of poor quality links start appearing ...

            You may do it the right way - but that same method can be used to damage others.
            If this is correct then why don't we see a ton of new software programs that's sole purpose would be to destroy the competition. This just in "New software works completely on auto pilot and will knock all your competitors out of Google forever." I mean assuming this actually worked you could charge a pretty penny for software like that.

            What if I wanted to kill best buy or some other big companies ranking, can you imagine the backlash and outrage if this could really happen? Google would be bombarded with phone calls and emails to fix the system and the old methods of SEO would be gone for good. It would turn into who can be the biggest bully and hurt everyone else who emerged at the top!

            Another example, someone get's upset with someone's review of their WSO or service. Then they look the bad reviewer up. Find their website and shut them down, come on get real. Someone could decide that they don't like someone's comment or that they have a problem with a particular Guru and it would be all out war.

            I find it very hard to believe that if it was that easy to hurt your competition, people would be moral enough not to do it.

            GeorgR., I agree completely about people always blaming software for causing their failure when in fact they simply do not know how to use all the tools. As was stated by Julia you webpages can be banned, deindexed etc. If you have outgoing links to porn sites, and other spammy loactions,.. but how can a person control who links to them?
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            • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
              Originally Posted by dsbusiness23 View Post

              If this is correct then why don't we see a ton of new software programs that's sole purpose would be to destroy the competition. This just in "New software works completely on auto pilot and will knock all your competitors out of Google forever." I mean assuming this actually worked you could charge a pretty penny for software like that.
              People have done it with an existing software you might have heard of - xrummer. Look its time for people to stop playing ostrich. There has been links in this very thread to the bare face evidence and yet people are still in denial claiming what has been reported by objective sources and by many webmasters INCLUDING PEOPLE AT WF is not true simply because they have not experienced it. You never learn everything if you just put hands to your ears and scream La La La La it can't be because.....Whats your answer to the notices Google has sent out? That they haven't? the notices by themselves destroys your arguments.

              What if I wanted to kill best buy or some other big companies ranking, can you imagine the backlash and outrage if this could really happen? Google would be bombarded with phone calls and emails to fix the system and the old methods of SEO would be gone for good. It would turn into who can be the biggest bully and hurt everyone else who emerged at the top!
              That whole elaborate argument is all off base. You could not tank Best BUY BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT RANKING WITH LOW QUALITY LINK SPAM LINKS. Go look. Well established sites will never be subject to such things because the good solid links help to dilute the effects. The whole flaw in your and other "you can't tank your competitors site" argument is that you equate all sites as equals when it is VERY clear that Google does not care about having all sites having the same opportunity and protection. The VAST majority of people on this board using blasting software and mass links services do not have such high authority, well established sites so comparing them to sites that are well established and vastly popular is a clear miss.

              Worse most people using these services and software are using them expressly because they are NOT presently ranking. Claiming that they cannot be tanked because sites that are ALREADY RANKED WITHOUT SUCH LINKS could not be tanked has no logical equivalence.

              Another example, someone get's upset with someone's review of their WSO or service. Then they look the bad reviewer up. Find their website and shut them down, come on get real. Someone could decide that they don't like someone's comment or that they have a problem with a particular Guru and it would be all out war.
              Get real? THAT HAS HAPPENED. In another thread one of the biggest advocates of blasting software came out and stated he had tested it and he did a 180 and verified that a xrummer blast CAN tank a site. Other places and thread have discussed the notices sent out by Google and SEVERAL posters have received those notices and have seen their sites fall.

              So lets just stop leading people astray . again you are buying into the idea that if Google decides to lay out penalties that those penalties will be applied across the board to any site when in fact they would not be because many established sites would have links that would protect them. Google does not look at a site like Adobe with ton loads of high PR , high authority, well established links and treat a site like that the same as a two year old page on dog training with very few quality links. The whole point of Google ranking sites and creating an algo is DESIGNED to spot sites they want to promote that are well established and tank sites that are not.

              I find it very hard to believe
              THats the problem. what people find hard to believe does not discount what is fact and it is a fact that Google has sent out notices to people and they have received penalties based on links pointing to them. the links have been given there have been discussions at WF where this has been discussed but people who want to live in denial or who have a vested interest in denying reality will continue to do so. I only ask any newb to look at the links and the evidence not the arguments of reality not being reailty.
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      • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
        Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

        All of this coming from someone who sells these kind of backlinks, so take that with a grain of salt.

        Yes and as a regular forum poster and reader she has seen the links to the reports of Google sending notifications to webmasters of penalties that I have posted so many times I am tired of doing so. Not just people's say so but reports from SEO news organizations that verify the content of the letters Google sent out.

        Its totally bogus to claim links can't hurt you and worse the video included as verification is 3 years old.:rolleyes:
        Originally Posted by dsbusiness23 View Post

        Which would you rather have 20,000 links pointing to your buffer sites which point 200 links to your money site,.. or 20,000 links pointing to your money site with 200 links strengthening each one? I would rather have the later

        Classic misunderstanding of SEO. You merely believe that quantity beats quality base d on nothing but hot air. Would I take 200 contextual links to my money site from high authority say PR4 ( as one authority metric) yes I'd take that over your 20,000 forum N/a links and I would smoke you in any serp you are in
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        • Profile picture of the author dsbusiness23
          Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

          Yes and as a regular forum poster and reader she has seen the links to the reports of Google sending notifications to webmasters of penalties that I have posted so many times I am tired of doing so. Not just people's say so but reports from SEO news organizations that verify the content of the letters Google sent out.

          Its totally bogus to claim links can't hurt you and worse the video included as verification is 3 years old.:rolleyes:



          Classic misunderstanding of SEO. You merely believe that quantity beats quality base d on nothing but hot air. Would I take 200 contextual links to my money site from high authority say PR4 ( as one authority metric) yes I'd take that over your 20,000 forum N/a links and I would smoke you in any serp you are in
          My mistake I should have said I would want to have most of the links high PR, Relevant if possible (although it is still debated whether that really matters) Some .gov, some .edu, some no follow and most do-follow. Of course quality over quantity matters. You also want your linking to look natural. Sorry for not being clear. I thought it was just assumed that was what I meant.
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          • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
            Originally Posted by dsbusiness23 View Post

            My mistake I should have said I would want to have most of the links high PR, Relevant if possible (although it is still debated whether that really matters) Some .gov, some .edu, some no follow and most do-follow. Of course quality over quantity matters. You also want your linking to look natural. Sorry for not being clear. I thought it was just assumed that was what I meant.
            But that what was JS was referring to plus you are not going to get 20,000 links of anything with good contextual links and High PR. the buffer approach at least lets you flow juice to a site that you control that you can get that solid contextual link so don't be so quick to shoot it down.

            Originally Posted by GeorgR. View Post


            This forum is full with "complaints" almost every day where people are blaming whatever software or linkbuilding service...for THEIR OWN mistakes.
            Board is also filled with service providers and advocates of push button SEO
            who have an obvious bias to blame any and everyone except the software developers and service providers.

            Frankly though the claim that a linkbuilding SERVICE cannot be blamed for a drop in serps, deindexing or losing position is flat out ridiculous. They take credit for rises quite joyfully so claiming they cannot be blamed for descending in the search results is just stacking the argument in favor of link building services.

            First honest step in light of the clear and unbiased evidence pointed to in this thread is that linkbuilding CAN at times cause problems. Its denying that that makes service providers and software developers MORE responsible.
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            • Profile picture of the author dsbusiness23
              Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

              But that what was JS was referring to plus you are not going to get 20,000 links of anything with good contextual links and High PR. the buffer approach at least lets you flow juice to a site that you control that you can get that solid contextual link so don't be so quick to shoot it down
              I do use "buffer" sites. I understand you won't get 20,000 good contextual links. At least not anytime soon. Have you been deindexed Mike Anthony? I am just curious. I'll be honest I have written a lot in the past about the Google Sandbox, but I do not believe that was ever where my sites have been.

              I simply no longer believe it exists. I think that what really happens is Google is figuring out where it wants to position your webpage. You just need to keep working on getting more and more high quality links.

              Also the service that Julia provides is it not high quality links? I assume it would be if she "has never had a customer complaint." as she stated.

              Finally not all marketers, but a lot will talk about ranking without showing proof. How do we know that people who claim they got deindexed, sandboxed etc. really did. How do you prove that it was SENuke, Scrapebox, etc. that got them their. Finally I am curious as to if you Mike use any automated tools to rank.

              Thanks for your great comment
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              • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                Originally Posted by dsbusiness23 View Post

                I do use "buffer" sites. I understand you won't get 20,000 good contextual links. At least not anytime soon. Have you been deindexed Mike Anthony? I am just curious. I'll be honest I have written a lot in the past about the Google Sandbox, but I do not believe that was ever where my sites have been.
                Yeah but this is not a discussion about any penalty called the sandbox. penalties exist. I hope you know that. Thats not debatable. Have my doubts about what people call sandbox as well though.

                Also the service that Julia provides is it not high quality links? I assume it would be if she "has never had a customer complaint." as she stated.
                Have no interest in getting into a discussion about a particular seller. Thats just going to get into flame bait territory but if you are offering her claim about never having an unsatisfied customer as some kind of evidence. No won't work. Self testimonials to your own product can never be evidence or proof of anything - Not mine for my products and not anyone elses. Low quality links are low quality links. IF you get links on a site and 6 months later the page is stil a PR n/A it shows that very few people have linked to it, almost no one recognizes the site for quality and its a low quality link. doesn;t mnatter how great someone says the link is - it is what it is.

                Most senukex, xrumer service providers provide such low quality links. Deesn't matter what the testimonials of people are. The "testimonial" from google for a link source is what matters. So if Google says it is not even worthy of a PR1 or even PR 0 then its low quality - which when combined with the fact that no one sees the page, google hesitates to even index it just cements that fact. Its not that PR is the only consideration but that PR is a measurement of sorts on who is linking to you and the algo is clearly based on links. If the page you get your link on has no one viewing it,caring about it, recommending it, linking to it or even seeing it then no amount of testimonials in a WSO changes that.

                Do they have no value? not my argument - low does not mean no. In weak serps they can help but they are not worth much of beans for where the really good money is being made and they are so weak there are plenty of weak serps where they don't have much lasting effect either.
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              • Profile picture of the author Black Hat Cat
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                Originally Posted by dsbusiness23 View Post


                I find it very hard to believe that if it was that easy to hurt your competition, people would be moral enough not to do it.
                Do you know how easy it is to click bomb Adwords competitors? Yet most Adwords advertisers don't do it.

                Also the service that Julia provides is it not high quality links? I assume it would be if she "has never had a customer complaint." as she stated.
                Do you have access to her email account? If not, I wouldn't assume anything, lol.

                I have to laugh....I've been telling folks right here for a year or so now that this "Google wouldn't allow this because your competitors will do it" argument isn't as logical an argument as they wanted to believe it is. Just because it doesn't make sense to you doesn't mean they aren't doing it. Google does plenty of things that don't make sense.
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                • Profile picture of the author dsbusiness23
                  Originally Posted by Black Hat Cat View Post

                  Do you know how easy it is to click bomb Adwords competitors? Yet most Adwords advertisers don't do it.



                  Do you have access to her email account? If not, I wouldn't assume anything, lol.

                  I have to laugh....I've been telling folks right here for a year or so now that this "Google wouldn't allow this because your competitors will do it" argument isn't as logical an argument as they wanted to believe it is. Just because it doesn't make sense to you doesn't mean they aren't doing it. Google does plenty of things that don't make sense.
                  It does seem that things are changing that even the top marketing cannot understand. Honestly I feel bad for those who have been hit with the notices. Google really seems to once again show how much they hate IM'ers, and Affiliates.

                  I'm an SEO'er, I never did too great with Adwords. I did some Bing advertising with Microsoft and I did like that though. I assume click bomb is when you use automated software to click the ads and cost the publisher of the ad tons of money. That really is cruel, but I think the reason people don't do that is that it doesn't really directly benefit them. Or am I wrong? Do their competitors just give up then?
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  • Profile picture of the author Jon Penberthy
    Some great and correct comments here. If you use them wisely you should be ok just don't send 1000's of xrumer links on the first day and then wonder why your site has been sandboxed.
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  • Profile picture of the author ShivaLingam
    You can build a gazillion backlinks (which I do!) and not have any problem whatsoever except maybe for an occasional google dance if your site is new.
    It's always better to build the gazillion backlinks and then drip feed them slowly at first and faster later rather than trying to get them all crawled/indexed at the same time so Google doesn't make your site bounce around.
    For all that matters I haven't seen any penality on my websites for building too many backlinks.
    Consider that my new main website is less than 2 months old and it's already a PR4, all my new posts get indexed in less than half an hour by google and usually given the top spots for low competition keywords and decent positions for high competition keywords as soon as they are published
    Anyway, in my opinion the only thing you risk is just the google dance which can be avoided or limited by using some tricks...
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    • Profile picture of the author JForsberg
      Originally Posted by ShivaLingam View Post

      You can build a gazillion backlinks (which I do!) and not have any problem whatsoever except maybe for an occasional google dance if your site is new.
      It's always better to build the gazillion backlinks and then drip feed them slowly at first and faster later rather than trying to get them all crawled/indexed at the same time so Google doesn't make your site bounce around.
      For all that matters I haven't seen any penality on my websites for building too many backlinks.
      Consider that my new main website is less than 2 months old and it's already a PR4, all my new posts get indexed in less than half an hour by google and usually given the top spots for low competition keywords and decent positions for high competition keywords as soon as they are published
      Anyway, in my opinion the only thing you risk is just the google dance which can be avoided or limited by using some tricks...
      How do you "build a gazillion link" without having Google finding them eventually before the "drip feed" (which I still don't quite know what is)?

      I'm new at this linkbuilding, but for what I know, once you left your link at some website / comment / article etc, you got a backlink there. How do you control and store tons of backlinks for release when you want it?
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      • Profile picture of the author ShivaLingam
        Originally Posted by JForsberg View Post

        How do you "build a gazillion link" without having Google finding them eventually before the "drip feed" (which I still don't quite know what is)?

        I'm new at this linkbuilding, but for what I know, once you left your link at some website / comment / article etc, you got a backlink there. How do you control and store tons of backlinks for release when you want it?
        Well, you can't control what links google crawls or not, but usually if you are doing a scrapebox blast chances are that many of the websites aren't more than a pr0-2 and the post is fairly old, which means that chances are that the google spider won't be back for a while...
        and when it comes to xrumer and you are just creating profiles... well, it's extremely hard for a forum profile to get indexed/crawled just by itself and if it happens usually it takes a long time.
        So, you see it's not impossible to drip feed and still don't have all the links indexed/crawled, plus the links that get discovered by google itself help you look more natural, for example let's say today i build 200 backlinks and i decide to drip feed 50/day for 4 days (note that this is just an example to keep things simple)
        Day 1: 50 links crawled
        Day 2: 58 of my links crawled (50 i drip feed today, plus google finds another 8 i didn't drip feed)
        Day 3: 48 of my links crawled (50 i drip feed today, minus the ones google found on day 2 i drip fed today)
        Day 4: 44 links crawled (same as above)

        So the fact that goole finds some of your links before you drip feed them in my opinion helps you appear more natural in your link building efforts.
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        • Profile picture of the author JForsberg
          Originally Posted by ShivaLingam View Post

          Well, you can't control what links google crawls or not, but usually if you are doing a scrapebox blast chances are that many of the websites aren't more than a pr0-2 and the post is fairly old, which means that chances are that the google spider won't be back for a while...
          and when it comes to xrumer and you are just creating profiles... well, it's extremely hard for a forum profile to get indexed/crawled just by itself and if it happens usually it takes a long time.
          So, you see it's not impossible to drip feed and still don't have all the links indexed/crawled, plus the links that get discovered by google itself help you look more natural, for example let's say today i build 200 backlinks and i decide to drip feed 50/day for 4 days (note that this is just an example to keep things simple)
          Day 1: 50 links crawled
          Day 2: 58 of my links crawled (50 i drip feed today, plus google finds another 8 i didn't drip feed)
          Day 3: 48 of my links crawled (50 i drip feed today, minus the ones google found on day 2 i drip fed today)
          Day 4: 44 links crawled (same as above)

          So the fact that goole finds some of your links before you drip feed them in my opinion helps you appear more natural in your link building efforts.
          So when you dripfeed xx links, you just take those xx links, and ping them or something? To give a notice to Google, that you have them? As that's all I got out of this. Either way, thanks for the reply
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    • Profile picture of the author jorgemv
      My apologies to you and to everyone for revealing my low IQ publicly.
      But, what is the Google dance, and should I try to get invited?
      And, what are the tricks we can use to avoid this dance, that you only hint at?

      thanks

      Originally Posted by ShivaLingam View Post

      You can build a gazillion backlinks (which I do!) and not have any problem whatsoever except maybe for an occasional google dance if your site is new.
      It's always better to build the gazillion backlinks and then drip feed them slowly at first and faster later rather than trying to get them all crawled/indexed at the same time so Google doesn't make your site bounce around.
      For all that matters I haven't seen any penality on my websites for building too many backlinks.
      Consider that my new main website is less than 2 months old and it's already a PR4, all my new posts get indexed in less than half an hour by google and usually given the top spots for low competition keywords and decent positions for high competition keywords as soon as they are published
      Anyway, in my opinion the only thing you risk is just the google dance which can be avoided or limited by using some tricks...
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  • Profile picture of the author cjbmeb14
    Very interesting, I was always led to believe that getting an infinite amount of backlinks from Scarpebox or Xrumer did no harm to a site.
    Then Venturetothetop comes back with proof that it actually does do harm.

    If this is the case we can easily destroy any competition we have.
    What about authority sites including Google, Yahoo and Bing can we destroy them with Scrapebox and Xrumer?
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    • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
      Search around. You can find plenty of stories of people losing rankings because of low quality backlinks. Many have even received a personal message from Google in Webmaster Tools indicating that Google has identified these links and recommending the site owner take action before Google does.

      Forum profile backlinks are the biggest culprit.

      Does that mean they will hurt YOUR site? Not necessarily, but I would also be careful what you screw around with.
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      • Profile picture of the author ShivaLingam
        Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

        Search around. You can find plenty of stories of people losing rankings because of low quality backlinks. Many have even received a personal message from Google in Webmaster Tools indicating that Google has identified these links and recommending the site owner take action before Google does.

        Forum profile backlinks are the biggest culprit.

        Does that mean they will hurt YOUR site? Not necessarily, but I would also be careful what you screw around with.
        That happens when they believe they are paid links.
        you can check out the answer here to see that building too many backlinks is not the case: Unnatural Links message - Webmaster Central Help
        and the link schemes page here: Link schemes - Webmaster Tools Help
        does mention that Examples of link schemes can include:
        - Links intended to manipulate PageRank
        - Links to web spammers or bad neighborhoods on the web
        - Excessive reciprocal links or excessive link exchanging ("Link to me and I'll link to you.")
        - Buying or selling links that pass PageRank

        Notice that it says that if you link to web spammers you'll get penalized, not if they link to you.
        So as long as you don't buy/sell links and your website doesn't link to spam/bad neighborhoods or you have too many reciprocal links (does anybody still do that?) you'll be safe.
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        • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
          Originally Posted by ShivaLingam View Post

          So as long as you don't buy/sell links and your website doesn't link to spam/bad neighborhoods or you have too many reciprocal links (does anybody still do that?) you'll be safe.

          Horrible misinformation and dead wrong. Mike is referring to this and a careful reader will see that it includes any kind of link scheme

          Google's Sending Webmaster Notifications About Bad Links Pointing At Their Sites

          Examples of unnatural linking could include buying links to pass PageRank OR participating in link schemes.
          for those that are not aware Google considers anything that is unnatural as a link scheme. certainly putting several thousand links by spamming forum sites qualifies. If you don't think that Google considers software mass linkbots as schemes then I have some land I can sell you in the Grand canyon that has just become available after being released from the national park's control.

          Several people who have not bought links and have used profile , web 2.0 etc have received the notices reported on that SEO news article. Several in this forum.

          its time for people to stop talking about what they don't know about just because it has not happened to them. Some people never get caught for taking unverifiable deductions on their tax filings but it does not mean that audits do not exist for those who do get caught.
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  • Profile picture of the author JSProjects
    Why not play it safe and do what most do, point these types of links at your tiers and not your sites themselves?

    Save the quality, manually created, backlinks for your main sites.
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    • Profile picture of the author ShivaLingam
      Originally Posted by JSProjects View Post

      Why not play it safe and do what most do, point these types of links at your tiers and not your sites themselves?

      Save the quality, manually created, backlinks for your main sites.
      If you want to rank your website for competitive keywords just manual backlinks and then blast them out won't do anything for your rankings
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    • Profile picture of the author dsbusiness23
      Originally Posted by JSProjects View Post

      Why not play it safe and do what most do, point these types of links at your tiers and not your sites themselves?

      Save the quality, manually created, backlinks for your main sites.
      Understanding you are a veteran here I respect you. I just want to make a statement about this from my experiences and several SEO companies and marketers I know. Why waste time creating backlinks to buffer sites when you could be creating backlinks to your money site.

      Search the forum you will see hundreds of threads on people wanting to get their links indexed. See Google doesn't index things quite the way they used to. It is a lot harder now. In fact without services or tools it's hard to even find your backlinks. Which is why I keep track of all the ones I create.

      With that being said buffer sites are used to strengthen your backlinks. I understand some use them as shields because they worry about their sites, but again this is long term results we want here.

      Which would you rather have 20,000 links pointing to your buffer sites which point 200 links to your money site,.. or 20,000 links pointing to your money site with 200 links strengthening each one? I would rather have the later
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      • Profile picture of the author ShivaLingam
        Originally Posted by dsbusiness23 View Post

        Search the forum you will see hundreds of threads on people wanting to get their links indexed. See Google doesn't index things quite the way they used to. It is a lot harder now. In fact without services or tools it's hard to even find your backlinks. Which is why I keep track of all the ones I create.
        That's because Google now tends to spider the websites who are more "authoritative" more ofter than others.
        My new main website is a PR4 website (pretty new - less than two months old), but my new posts are indexed in less than half an hour. But if I make a change to the post, even if I ping like crazy the page is recached in a couple of days.
        Another website I got is a bit older but I didn't do much work on it so it's still a PR0... and even if I posted hundreds of posts (it's an autoblog) the cache is still stuck to 5 days ago.
        So if you are posting to a lot of websites which are PR0-2, you might have to wait a long time before they are recached.
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        • Profile picture of the author dsbusiness23
          Originally Posted by ShivaLingam View Post

          That's because Google now tends to spider the websites who are more "authoritative" more ofter than others.
          My new main website is a PR4 website (pretty new - less than two months old), but my new posts are indexed in less than half an hour. But if I make a change to the post, even if I ping like crazy the page is recached in a couple of days.
          Another website I got is a bit older but I didn't do much work on it so it's still a PR0... and even if I posted hundreds of posts (it's an autoblog) the cache is still stuck to 5 days ago.
          So if you are posting to a lot of websites which are PR0-2, you might have to wait a long time before they are recached.
          You have a lot of posts/pages in a short amount of time. Just curious if you personally wrote all those articles. Also because I'm very curious I checked out your about me and was wondering if you are related to Vin Di Carlo? From the Pandora's box dating system?

          Haha that would be very interesting since you are both internet marketers.
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          • Profile picture of the author ShivaLingam
            Originally Posted by dsbusiness23 View Post

            You have a lot of posts/pages in a short amount of time. Just curious if you personally wrote all those articles. Also because I'm very curious I checked out your about me and was wondering if you are related to Vin Di Carlo? From the Pandora's box dating system?

            Haha that would be very interesting since you are both internet marketers.
            I have a lot of posts where? Anyway in my main product website I tend to write most of the reviews since you usually know something about a product just less than 24 hours before its release so it could be messy to hire an outsourcer with such a short notice... maybe when I'll find a good, reliable outsourcer (hey, I have trust issues! lol). Anyway I usually don't write more than 1-2 reviews per day so it's something like 20-30 minutes I spend doing that.

            And no, I'm not related to Vin DiCarlo (he spells his surname without spaces) mainly because I think his is an alias (extremely common in the dating community, maybe more than in the internet marketing world).
            His products are good, but I don't think he's my long lost cousin whose grand grand parents emigrated to the United States while mine remained in Sicily to manage the "family business" lol
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            • Profile picture of the author dsbusiness23
              Originally Posted by ShivaLingam View Post

              I have a lot of posts where? Anyway in my main product website I tend to write most of the reviews since you usually know something about a product just less than 24 hours before its release so it could be messy to hire an outsourcer with such a short notice... maybe when I'll find a good, reliable outsourcer (hey, I have trust issues! lol). Anyway I usually don't write more than 1-2 reviews per day so it's something like 20-30 minutes I spend doing that.

              And no, I'm not related to Vin DiCarlo (he spells his surname without spaces) mainly because I think his is an alias (extremely common in the dating community, maybe more than in the internet marketing world).
              His products are good, but I don't think he's my long lost cousin whose grand grand parents emigrated to the United States while mine remained in Sicily to manage the "family business" lol
              LOL reading this made me laugh so much. Yes I was referring to the website in your sig. Some reviews were shorter than others but definitely a plethora of good Content. Using the Google Sniper recommended theme inove also a plus. I used it before I got my favorite theme Thesis because of all its customization.

              You are probably right about Vinny LOL Most likely an alias. I found one of his product landing page videos and honestly was laughing through the entire thing. I mean yes good advice for sure, but it was just so amusing.
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  • Profile picture of the author mdsurf
    no it is not possible, i blasts my sites with thousands upon thousands of links per day and have never been penalized or deindexed
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    This thread gives me more insights in using these tools Thanks for the tips..
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  • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
    You can be blacklisted/banned/deindexed with (almost) all forms of link building, simply if you don't use common sense and make mistakes.

    This forum is full with "complaints" almost every day where people are blaming whatever software or linkbuilding service...for THEIR OWN mistakes.

    Those mistakes could be you have a very crappy, thin, bad site to start with...to over-doing it with links on a new site...not varying anchor texts...submitting unreadable junk content etc..
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  • Profile picture of the author TourPlanet
    if we just summerize the whole discussion is that, back links should be get in a natural way then you would not be banned
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  • Profile picture of the author dsbusiness23
    Well Mike I will go search for these threads. So I can come up with the right answers and not lead subscribers, clients, etc. astray. I have never received one of these notices and I always create high quality links focusing on quality vs. quantity. I also advise everyone I talk to about SEO to do the same.

    I tell them to always focus on quality, do not do scrapebox blasts etc. and I have never created such software myself. So I am not biased trying to sell my service or anything like that. There are in fact several ways to cause tons of high quality links to be pointed to your site without automated tools and that's why I asked if you used them.

    I assume if you don't, then you instead set up viral campaigns using those other methods?

    One final point though is that I do feel that some of these complaints are from people who order a service or use a tool and when after a week they do not rank. They blame that program, service, etc. SEO takes time. There are many threads claiming it's even dead. The truth is it can take months of work or lots of money to rank for keywords and most people do not really understand that.
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  • Profile picture of the author dsbusiness23
    Yeah but this is not a discussion about any penalty called the sandbox. penalties exist. I hope you know that. Thats not debatable. Have my doubts about what people call sandbox as well though.
    Well at least we can agree on having doubts about the Google Sandbox. I have had websites that hit PR 4 within about 2-3 months in the past. So I know that Google likes my linking strategies. I do use automated tools, but I also do a lot of manual linking and creating the "viral effect" for my websites. I assume that is what you do with yours as well?

    Is the link in your sig, your newest website?
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      I use some automated tools and I do get into automation quite a bit but its not to the same slammed sites as in the software vendors. I use scrapebox to find such sites not to spam them. If you mix in manual and contextual links then you will be more insulated than others but that shouldn't do anything to prove that its not possible to tank sites if you don't.

      regarding your question -The site in my sig is for WF and forums only. Its a new design we are switching over to with some additional content. I do no SEO to sites I connect here due to it being notorious for people here to try and reverse engineer sites. I use directories (most people think they are done and they are if you don't know how to use them), press releases, a few well placed articles, my own seo network, guest posting , some article writing and a couple other techniques that I have no interest in sharing on an open forum. None of my sources are ever revealed in a site I link to WF.

      Unfortunately even when people can't get a link on a site connected here they try to spam either the site or the webmaster. Pain in the neck to either me or a webmaster I have built a relationship with me even if it gets them nowhere so I just put up a site just for For WF and other forums like it I participate on.
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      • Profile picture of the author dsbusiness23
        Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

        I use some automated tools and I do get into automation quite a bit but its not to the same slammed sites as in the software vendors. I use scrapebox to find such sites not to spam them. If you mix in manual and contextual links then you will be more insulated than others but that shouldn't do anything to prove that its not possible to tank sites if you don't.

        regarding your question -The site in my sig is for WF and forums only. Its a new design we are switching over to with some additional content. I do no SEO to sites I connect here due to it being notorious for people here to try and reverse engineer sites. I use directories (most people think they are done and they are if you don't know how to use them), press releases, a few well placed articles, my own seo network, guest posting , some article writing and a couple other techniques that I have no interest in sharing on an open forum. None of my sources are ever revealed in a site I link to WF.

        Unfortunately even when people can't get a link on a site connected here they try to spam either the site or the webmaster. Pain in the neck to either me or a webmaster I have built a relationship with me even if it gets them nowhere so I just put up a site just for For WF and other forums like it I participate on.
        Oh I wasn't doubting your credibility at all. I understand exactly what you are saying about websites being reverse engineered. What a headache. Directories and especially Press Releases are very powerful, but I do personally believe that there is no one shot link building strategy for SEO.

        You need to create links from dozens of sources in a variety of ways. What's your take on Google finding footprints? Also I use Scrapebox to do the same. I have several different software that I can load my own sites into to post to. This helps me keep quality. You were right of course before when you talked about how you need the quality links to cover up the low quality, bad ones.

        I agree with everything you stated in this post.

        "It's an interesting design btw Your website in your sig. Very clean and pleasing to the eye. I like it."
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        • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
          Originally Posted by dsbusiness23 View Post


          You need to create links from dozens of sources in a variety of ways. What's your take on Google finding footprints? "
          hard to say. they will never come out and say they use footprints but I think the forum profile ones are pretty easy. You can probably cover about 90% of forum profiles signatures etc with just 6-7 forum software providers footprints. Vbullettin, mybb, phpbb etc. Unlike Wordpress there isn't that much plugins, theming and mods that change those footprints. I kinda lean to the idea they have the blog comments thing covered in some ways but I don't think they have it down fully . Web 2.0 are just too varied and custom programmed but My best guess is they have some criteria on how much material surrounds a link and they definitely have weights based on where the links appear (footer etc).

          The only thing we know for sure is there are metrics in place to measure how much content is on a page , if its original (not copied form some other indexed site), where a link is placed in that content (what they call editorial), and some measurements for authority based on PR (others authority metrics probably exist but are not as attested to as PR).

          they are coming after links more this year no doubt. they didn't start sending out those notices about unnatural links TO your site until June of last year. Before that the assumption that you can't tank a site with links was on good ground - not anymore.
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  • Profile picture of the author dsbusiness23
    they are coming after links more this year no doubt. they didn't start sending out those notices about unnatural links TO your site until June of last year. Before that the assumption that you can't tank a site with links was on good ground - not anymore.
    Have you received a letter from Google? Is it Google that is sending these letters out? I guess I must have been under a rock I have heard of people talking about de-indexing and such, but never actually seen the letters.

    I guess in one way this is good news. While I can't say I have never spammed blogs, forum profiles, etc. I can say that I do not like the idea of doing it. To me it feels like I am just putting more useless information onto an already overcrowded interwebs.
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  • Profile picture of the author patco
    You could be blacklisted by Google, if you do a lot of things in a very short period of time! Just be smart and do all the proccesses constantly (now, wait 1 hour, do it again!) If you are blacklisted by google, you can wait your IP to be UNblacklisted or you can also change your IP
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  • Profile picture of the author linkbuildr
    Of course you're at risk for getting slapped...you're spamming and manipulating your rankings artifically. Google's TOS says this will result in a loss of rankings.
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  • Profile picture of the author anes amrani
    use all of that software with your 2nd tire and never use it in your site.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mark Hoffman
    No absolutely not, no matter what anyone says, you will not get deindexed for these links. Otherwise go get your competitors deindexed all day long
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    • Profile picture of the author ShivaLingam
      Originally Posted by Mark Hoffman View Post

      No absolutely not, no matter what anyone says, you will not get deindexed for these links. Otherwise go get your competitors deindexed all day long
      True, at best you can make your competitor bounce a bit if his website is pretty fresh or you really build tons of links and have Google spider them all in just a matter of hours, but he'll be gone for a while and then come back stronger... you're going just to help him! (unless you want to get rid of him just before a big launch... lol)
      But I won't advise anyone to use this technique since most quality websites can take the hit and just stay there in their rankings or even if hit they'll come back after just a while, stronger than before while you wasted your time (and money!) helping him getting better rankings instead of building links to your websites!
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      • Profile picture of the author dsbusiness23
        Originally Posted by ShivaLingam View Post

        True, at best you can make your competitor bounce a bit if his website is pretty fresh or you really build tons of links and have Google spider them all in just a matter of hours, but he'll be gone for a while and then come back stronger... you're going just to help him! (unless you want to get rid of him just before a big launch... lol)
        But I won't advise anyone to use this technique since most quality websites can take the hit and just stay there in their rankings or even if hit they'll come back after just a while, stronger than before while you wasted your time (and money!) helping him getting better rankings instead of building links to your websites!
        Right! See I agree with this train of thought, but I do feel some people in this thread have made some very valid points to consider as well. I have never received one of these "unnatural links are pointing to your sites" letters from Google, but I do feel that if I did a couple of things I know how to do. I would receive one of these letters in a matter of days.

        I am a person who actually really likes Google Webmaster Tools. Although I have heard marketers recommend not using it. There are so many tools that are extremely helpful especially if someone is new to the business and doesn't have all the tools that us marketers have been using for years to rank sites.
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        • Profile picture of the author ShivaLingam
          Originally Posted by dsbusiness23 View Post

          Right! See I agree with this train of thought, but I do feel some people in this thread have made some very valid points to consider as well. I have never received one of these "unnatural links are pointing to your sites" letters from Google, but I do feel that if I did a couple of things I know how to do. I would receive one of these letters in a matter of days.

          I am a person who actually really likes Google Webmaster Tools. Although I have heard marketers recommend not using it. There are so many tools that are extremely helpful especially if someone is new to the business and doesn't have all the tools that us marketers have been using for years to rank sites.
          you know, reading around I found out that many people got those messages because of their own mistakes...
          some just bought links outright from websites (which google can more or less figure out) like blogrolls from crappy websites, or built tons of backlinks with no keyword diversity (it's not a big deal if you target just one keyword for a page, but just the same keyword for 10000 links pointing to different pages is obviously a bad strategy -.-) while others received it for websites they didn't even build backlinks to...!
          Some were using adsense on the website (which can explain why google was more uptight with them) while other didn't.
          So there isn't any real common thread there, but it might be just a notice without any consequence since many report not losing rankings.
          Even if everything is possible I don't think that Google can really think of penalizing people with backlinks from spammy sources since you have no control over them and well... I could just grab the worst, spammiest list add some malware/spyware affected website to the mix and then destroy any competitor and dominate with 10 links! Unless they start doing the same to me...
          That's why it can't happen, it would be total SE War and total SE Anarchy and Google likes just plain good user experience.
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          • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
            Originally Posted by ShivaLingam View Post

            you know, reading around I found out that many people got those messages because of their own mistakes...
            some just bought links outright from websites (which google can more or less figure out) like blogrolls from crappy websites, or built tons of backlinks with no keyword diversity (it's not a big deal if you target just one keyword for a page, but just the same keyword for 10000 links pointing to different pages is obviously a bad strategy -.-) while others received it for websites they didn't even build backlinks to...!
            You haven't done much reading is all. the notices have been around since June of last year and has included people using various kinds of links and setups. As the notice itself states it targets unnatural links not just bought links or blogroll links. Many people who thought just like you who knew about anchor text diversity as well got dinged. Not everyone of course but thats the nature of all penalties anywhere in life .Some people never get caught. So you are kind of clutching at straws and claiming to know things that you really don't know.


            That's why it can't happen, it would be total SE War and total SE Anarchy and Google likes just plain good user experience.

            like I said you are in denial it not only can it happen the evidence is all over that it has happened. There is no need for Total SE anarchy because you erroneously assume that bad links would affect every site in the same way which is false. As has been stated several times if a site is well established , has solid natural looking links that causes it to rank you could send whatever you want at it and not tank it. However most imers are trying to use those unnatural links to establish themselves and get rank. They are not established and if you think google cares AT ALL whether an imer gets their site ranked or not then you are way off. Frankly they would rather not seeing them indexed much less.

            So can you and would you be able to tank a competitor? depends on the competitor. Established sites with good authority natural looking links no. Not established with a good portfolio of high authority natural looking links? Yes

            and that if you think about it is exactly what suits Google anyway. They are not in the business of protecting Imers so they can rank their sites.
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            • Profile picture of the author ShivaLingam
              Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

              like I said you are in denial it not only can it happen the evidence is all over that it has happened. There is no need for Total SE anarchy because you erroneously assume that bad links would affect every site in the same way which is false. As has been stated several times if a site is well established , has solid natural looking links that causes it to rank you could send whatever you want at it and not tank it. However most imers are trying to use those unnatural links to establish themselves and get rank. They are not established and if you think google cares AT ALL whether an imer gets their site ranked or not then you are way off. Frankly they would rather not seeing them indexed much less.
              I'm not saying it can't happen, just that it's odd that a company like Google would something this stupid that that leaves a website open to manipulations from competitors. An the other hand people and companies always do stupid things, so...
              Another thing that seems strange is that there is no consistency in the websites hit by this - even websites with no linkbuilding done were hit!
              That's why I'm taking this "penalty" with a grain of salt.
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              • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                Originally Posted by ShivaLingam View Post

                Another thing that seems strange is that there is no consistency in the websites hit by this - even websites with no linkbuilding done were hit!
                That's why I'm taking this "penalty" with a grain of salt.
                The notice that I am talking about is specifically for unnatural links. You are probably mixing and matching penalties and perhaps some are too. Google has more than one kind of penalty. The only people I have seen say that their sites got hit that didn't have links and got the unnatural link notice had other sites connected (for example by webmaster tools) which VERY MUCH did have unnatrual links. Pretty easy to see how related sites were affected.

                Plenty of people have reported loss in serps. However if you are just hearing about this now you probably haven't read up very much on it. This has been going on since July of last year but there have been a rush of people here on WF getting them recently.

                The consistency and pattern is there for anyone to see. Nothing about it is random - they were all utilizing questionable links. finally there is nothing stupid about it. The kinds of sites that Google wants to see ranking high in their listings get a healthy portion of their links naturally or that at least look natural. Creating an algo or manual process that identifies sites without many of them (say a minimum threshold) but with a high percentage of suspect ( in Google's eyes) links and penalizing them makes perfect sense. So like it or not believe it or not it doesn't mean you can tank any and every site but it does mean that it can potentially tank alot of Imers sites who do rely on such kinds of links- and Google will smile ear to ear the more that happens.
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                • Profile picture of the author ShivaLingam
                  Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                  The notice that I am talking about is specifically for unnatural links. You are probably mixing and matching penalties and perhaps some are too.
                  Oh yes, I'm so dumb I confused "unnatural links" with the "duplicate content" or the "feeder page" notices, you know they are so similar...

                  (NOTE: I'm being sarcastic)

                  Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                  Plenty of people have reported loss in serps. However if you are just hearing about this now you probably haven't read up very much on it. This has been going on since July of last year but there have been a rush of people here on WF getting them recently.
                  I didn't hear about it because since July of last year I built so many websites and used the same tactics and nothing like this happened to me... go figure, I must be doing something right!
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      • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
        Originally Posted by ShivaLingam View Post

        True, at best you can make your competitor bounce a bit if his website is pretty fresh or you really build tons of links and have Google spider them all in just a matter of hours, but he'll be gone for a while and then come back stronger... you're going just to help him!

        Anyone still believing this with all the notices and rankings being lost by Imers is in deep denial. This thread was timed perfectly. the threads are all over this forum right now of people who have lost rank and have gotten notices from google precisely as stated should close the issue for any reasonable person. They prove that the idea that links cannot hurt only help you is utter nonsense.
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  • Profile picture of the author dsbusiness23
    I find it very strange that it has been so random as well. Most strange to me however is that many people did not have their rankings affected. Almost like this was Google's mistake? I agree I am taking this with a grain of salt as well.
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  • Profile picture of the author dsbusiness23
    I didn't hear about it because since July of last year I built so many websites and used the same tactics and nothing like this happened to me... go figure, I must be doing something right!
    Haha that's exactly how I feel,.. there are methods I stay away from on purpose, because a year or so back when I heard about this it was obvious what could cause you to get these letters. But I do feel bad for people who thought they were doing everything right then one day saw this notice
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