You just need to use softwares intelligently.Here are some tips and you will never blacklisted.

Do not overuse 1 software.

Do not create 1000 of links in one go.Create links constantly and uniformly.

Here is a strategy I use and I never get banned


1st day use social network module of senuke.
2nd day create profile links using xrummer
3rd day create forum posts using xrummer
4th day amr blast
5th day bookmarkings using BMD
6th day scrapebox comment blast

Repeat this every weak

Enjoy top rankings

I agree with CaptailJack...just be smart...BUT...

No, Google is not going to blacklist you for generating crappy backlinks. Think about this...

...If Google would blacklist you from using XRummer...than the first thing a nasty IM'er would do is go to Fivver.com, buy several campaigns against your worst competitors, and get them blacklisted. Google is smarter than that.

Not going to get you blacklisted but you need to make sure your link building campaign is natural. If you have 10,000 backlinks the 3rd day your site is up...Google will realized that you are up to no good.

Michael

your backlinking strategy should seem as organic as possible and never use such tools directly on your website. i would use them on 2-tier backlinks instead

Yes they can and will penalize you, a banning outright is very unlikely but you will appear in like the very last pages of rankings. And yes this has been used as a weapon in the past.

It's all about moderation, but any artificially create link with no relevant content is considered BH by Google.

If your site is new, build Web 2.0 properties linking to your site, and run Xrumer/Scrapebox blasts on the Web 2.0's.

Also, drip feed links as it looks more natural.

There are always a risk when you use automation.In case of building links Google always prefer natural ways.If you try to get blast of backlinks to a new site or you build many backlinks to your site in short time that can harm you so badly by Goolge.So keep it natural and keep it regular.

It may or may not penalize your website using the Blackhat SEO tools for building backlinks.

But you get one thing right If Google detects that you are using s/w for building backlinks then you will surely not get any benefits from those backlinks. And as Venturetothetop mentioned your website can get sandboxed.

You would practically have to build Hundreds of Thousands of the same type of links within a day to get penalized by Google. Think of it this way: as website owners, we have no control over how many people link back to our sites everyday. Now, suppose you were to post classified information, or breaking news, about President Obama on your website. How many backlinks do you think you would get within a day? You'd most likely get thousands of links pointing back to your site from a variety of sites. This phenomenon happens everyday with popular websites that have great content. People love to link back them, and Google expects this natural occurrence. Google is aware that you cannot control or slow down backlinking. What is not considered normal backlinking by Google is when your site receives hundreds of thousands of backlinks in the same day from sites in the same niche.

Also, suppose it were the case that Xrumer backlinks could cause your site to be penalized (don't worry, it's not). Well, wouldn't that be fine & dandy! :rolleyes: All you would need to do to knock your competitors out of the #1 spot would be to start up Xrumer and blast their site with thousands of links! Boy, wouldn't that be nice, if it were only that simple!

Even if some of the sites that link to you are bad or "link farms", this will not hurt your site. Google may determine that those backlinks are of a lesser importance and they might not count as much towards your ranking, but they will not damage your site. Think of it this way: if it were possible to destroy a site's ranking this way, then we'd all be looking around for the next link farm to place our competitors' links on. Google realizes this, so it would be unfair to every website owner if backlinks (links on another website that point back to your site) could harm your site.

However, you're right: Google is getting more severe with linking these days: with Outbound Links (which are completely different from Backlinks). Google has shown us with the new Panda Update that it doesn't like link farms. Meaning: If you want your website to rank highly you should Not have thousands of links ON your site pointing to other sites. Any links that are physically on your website are Outbound Links, which are not the same as backlinks.

So, to summarize: Google will Not penalize you for the links that your website Receives, but it will penalize your site if it has too many Outbound Links (aka a Link Farm). Here is a very informative video showing that backlinks, which are also called "Incoming Links", cannot hurt your site:

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

Some great and correct comments here. If you use them wisely you should be ok just don't send 1000's of xrumer links on the first day and then wonder why your site has been sandboxed.

You can build a gazillion backlinks (which I do!) and not have any problem whatsoever except maybe for an occasional google dance if your site is new.
It's always better to build the gazillion backlinks and then drip feed them slowly at first and faster later rather than trying to get them all crawled/indexed at the same time so Google doesn't make your site bounce around.
For all that matters I haven't seen any penality on my websites for building too many backlinks.
Consider that my new main website is less than 2 months old and it's already a PR4, all my new posts get indexed in less than half an hour by google and usually given the top spots for low competition keywords and decent positions for high competition keywords as soon as they are published
Anyway, in my opinion the only thing you risk is just the google dance which can be avoided or limited by using some tricks...

Very interesting, I was always led to believe that getting an infinite amount of backlinks from Scarpebox or Xrumer did no harm to a site.
Then Venturetothetop comes back with proof that it actually does do harm.

If this is the case we can easily destroy any competition we have.
What about authority sites including Google, Yahoo and Bing can we destroy them with Scrapebox and Xrumer?

Why not play it safe and do what most do, point these types of links at your tiers and not your sites themselves?

Save the quality, manually created, backlinks for your main sites.

no it is not possible, i blasts my sites with thousands upon thousands of links per day and have never been penalized or deindexed

This thread gives me more insights in using these tools Thanks for the tips..

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You can be blacklisted/banned/deindexed with (almost) all forms of link building, simply if you don't use common sense and make mistakes.

This forum is full with "complaints" almost every day where people are blaming whatever software or linkbuilding service...for THEIR OWN mistakes.

Those mistakes could be you have a very crappy, thin, bad site to start with...to over-doing it with links on a new site...not varying anchor texts...submitting unreadable junk content etc..

if we just summerize the whole discussion is that, back links should be get in a natural way then you would not be banned

Well Mike I will go search for these threads. So I can come up with the right answers and not lead subscribers, clients, etc. astray. I have never received one of these notices and I always create high quality links focusing on quality vs. quantity. I also advise everyone I talk to about SEO to do the same.

I tell them to always focus on quality, do not do scrapebox blasts etc. and I have never created such software myself. So I am not biased trying to sell my service or anything like that. There are in fact several ways to cause tons of high quality links to be pointed to your site without automated tools and that's why I asked if you used them.

I assume if you don't, then you instead set up viral campaigns using those other methods?

One final point though is that I do feel that some of these complaints are from people who order a service or use a tool and when after a week they do not rank. They blame that program, service, etc. SEO takes time. There are many threads claiming it's even dead. The truth is it can take months of work or lots of money to rank for keywords and most people do not really understand that.

Well at least we can agree on having doubts about the Google Sandbox. I have had websites that hit PR 4 within about 2-3 months in the past. So I know that Google likes my linking strategies. I do use automated tools, but I also do a lot of manual linking and creating the "viral effect" for my websites. I assume that is what you do with yours as well?

Is the link in your sig, your newest website?

Have you received a letter from Google? Is it Google that is sending these letters out? I guess I must have been under a rock I have heard of people talking about de-indexing and such, but never actually seen the letters.

I guess in one way this is good news. While I can't say I have never spammed blogs, forum profiles, etc. I can say that I do not like the idea of doing it. To me it feels like I am just putting more useless information onto an already overcrowded interwebs.

You could be blacklisted by Google, if you do a lot of things in a very short period of time! Just be smart and do all the proccesses constantly (now, wait 1 hour, do it again!) If you are blacklisted by google, you can wait your IP to be UNblacklisted or you can also change your IP

if you use it wisely , its possible

Of course you're at risk for getting slapped...you're spamming and manipulating your rankings artifically. Google's TOS says this will result in a loss of rankings.

use all of that software with your 2nd tire and never use it in your site.

No absolutely not, no matter what anyone says, you will not get deindexed for these links. Otherwise go get your competitors deindexed all day long

I find it very strange that it has been so random as well. Most strange to me however is that many people did not have their rankings affected. Almost like this was Google's mistake? I agree I am taking this with a grain of salt as well.

Haha that's exactly how I feel,.. there are methods I stay away from on purpose, because a year or so back when I heard about this it was obvious what could cause you to get these letters. But I do feel bad for people who thought they were doing everything right then one day saw this notice