Advice Needed: Rankings Drop for 4 Sites (page 1 to page 6 for all keywords)

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As of today (25-26 Feb 2012) I noticed that all my rankings for each of my keywords for 4 of my sites has dropped between 35-50 places. Most of the keywords were on page 1 and are now on pages 5-7.

All 4 sites are about 6-9 months old (e.g. I add one or two pages every week) so have about 40 pages. This rankings drop has occurred to all the pages. Every single one of them. So one of my sites which averages about 600 visitors per day now gets only a fraction of that.

The websites sit on the same hosting. Here is one of the sites accountingcertificateprograms.org.

I have gone back through my spreadsheets and actions and I don't beleive I have done anything really different for the sites over the past few weeks. My SEO has been consistent and I haven't done anything out of the ordinary from what I can tell.

Also, for 2 of the sites, off page SEO (e.g. majority backlinking) stopped about 3 months ago so there hasn't been any aggressive linkbuilding or anything like that.

I have 6 other sites that sit on that hosting and they were not impacted at all.

Can someone please offer some advice as I've been looking at this for hours on end now and have no idea what happened. I've never lost my rankings ever... I have only ever improved my rankings so this is a first for me.

Is this a penalty for something? Or maybe a manual review etc.

Any advice so I can make a start to investigate would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

Steven
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  • Profile picture of the author WittyKris
    Are your sites a duplicate of the original one? I mean same design/layout ..? If yes, then you have to redesign it.

    Are you doing more backlinking activities on it? If not, then you have to double time doing good quality link building for your sites
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  • Profile picture of the author cagliostro
    A LOT of dance happens the last 2-3 weeks or so, so i would suggest you to wait a bit. And continue what you are doing.

    One of my websites was deindexed a week ago with no (apparent to me) reason and today one inner page appeared.

    wait ...
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  • Profile picture of the author singaporeasiaco
    What are some common things between the sites?

    - backlink strategy?
    - same spun articles used?

    We're these different from the blogs that were unaffected?
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    • Profile picture of the author Snap1976
      Thanks for getting back to me with some responses and questions. Here are some answers and additional bits of information.

      None of the sites are duplicates of the other sites. They are in totally different niches. The sites use 100% unique content only bought from Warriors for Hire and I check them using Copyscape. No spun content and the quality can be measured in monetary terms to about $12 per article.

      The layouts are also different per site but they use the same theme (premium theme called Thesis). I had my graphic designer create the designs (e.g. colors, layout, sidebar etc).

      For two of the sites, backlinking has stopped for about 3 months. Rankings did not drop a bit during that time and I wouldn't expect it to plummet like that in a week (I use Rank Tracker to track all my SERPs for each on of my sites).

      For the other two sites, linkbuilding has been continuing steadily. Not much automated linkbuilding, mostly manual through my group of VAs. I have a good spread of links from EDU pages, high PR blog Comments, social bookmarks, Web 2.0 properties, press releases, article networks and high PR forum profiles.

      My linkbuilding has not changed and no ranking drops for my other sites on the same and different hosts. The link velocity and link profiles have remained the same as has the anchor text variation.

      I also ruled out the Google Dance as these sites are 6-9 months old and have settled into page one for a while now (over 4-5 months ago).

      Anyone got any ideas or advice I can discuss/implement?

      Thanks... Steven
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  • Profile picture of the author singaporeasiaco
    - Are they interlinked in any way?
    - Any noindex metatags added to certain pages? (did page count fall?)
    - were the links you build 3 months ago still valid?

    Looks like the only common point is the theme..
    Is there anything else?
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    • Profile picture of the author Snap1976
      Hi singaporeasiaco,

      Thanks for contributing ideas to this issue. Here are some answers to your questions.

      The sites are not interlinked in anyway at all. No links between them.

      I also did a check on Majestic as well as my Google Webmaster and it appears that my overall link count is in tact. I think the links from 3 months ago still stand although there would be fluctuations.

      Page count has been increasing on two of the sites (at about 2 posts per week) but for the other two sites, they have not grown so the page count is steady.

      I have made changes to all my sites in terms of layout to ensure that I have very little ads above the post but I wouldn't have thought moving the Adsense blocks further down would impact rankings.

      As for the theme, the Thesis theme is a premium theme that has been around for ages and is used by thousands of websites as well as IMer's so I would be surprised if there was an issue there. Plus I have 30-40 other sites that use it and no issues with rankings thus far.

      Any other ideas or things to check?

      Thanks,

      Steven



      Originally Posted by singaporeasiaco View Post

      - Are they interlinked in any way?
      - Any noindex metatags added to certain pages? (did page count fall?)
      - were the links you build 3 months ago still valid?

      Looks like the only common point is the theme..
      Is there anything else?
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  • Profile picture of the author carljohn
    Checked your site. It is definitely a manual review penalty.
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    • Profile picture of the author Snap1976
      Hi carljohn,

      Thanks for chiming in and taking a look at the site.

      Can you let me know why you think it's a manual review and penalty? I thought it could have been but have no idea about the criteria they would use to kick off a manual review.

      And why would my site be penalized?

      Any suggestions or advice is much appreciated.

      Thanks... Steven


      Originally Posted by carljohn View Post

      Checked your site. It is definitely a manual review penalty.
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  • Profile picture of the author carljohn
    I have a lot of sites being penalized with the same pattern. It is most probably a -50 penalty. The easiest way to check is to do a search "mydomain.com" + keywords. If you are not ranking on top, then it is probably a penalty.

    Mine was probably flagged due to social bookmarking blast or it could be lack of anchor diversity. If google system sense something wrong (unatural linking) they will flag your site and a manual review will be taken. It is hard to say when they will come to check your site (maybe depends on the age of your domain and how serious it was?), I have sites done the same link building, and one was penalized in a month and another takes 2 months.

    How do I know? I have statscounter installed and before my sites were penalized, I've seen visits from Google India.

    It is great that you have whois protect, but using Google analytic might be the cause of mass penalized. I have over 10 sites in one account with no Google analytic, no Adsense but all of them has been penalized at the same time. The only thing I can think of is that I don't use whois protect. So, don't use Google analytic and make sure it is whois protect if you are hosting in the same account.

    Why would your site be penalized? Probably flagged by Google due to your link building activity. Someone could have report your site as spam, but I don't think this is the case though.
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    • Profile picture of the author Snap1976
      Hi carljohn,

      For all 4 sites, every single KW (e.g. every page) has dropped 35-50 spots. So that about 30-40 ranking drops across each site. I know this because I use Rank Tracker and track my SERPs each week.

      A few other things though:

      1. For two of the sites, I haven't done any linkbuilding for 3 months if not longer. So I can't imagine it could be a linkbuilding penalty (e.g. anchor text diversity).

      2. I have both Google Analytics and Whois but I wouldn't have thought that suddenly I'd get slapped. But your suggestion of a manual review does make sense.

      3. My site actually contains decent content (100% unique, written my native English writers and at about $12 per article... e.g. not $3-5 articles) and has been built up over time. My other sites on the same hosting have had no penalties.

      But most importantly, you mentioned this happened to your sites. Can you let me know:

      A. When this happened?
      B. Whether you have gotten your rankings back? And how long that took?
      C. What you did during this period (e.g. continue linkbuilding, changed something on the site)?
      D. If there are things I should be doing in preparation?

      Thanks again for providing me the info. Much appreciated.

      Steven


      Originally Posted by carljohn View Post

      I have a lot of sites being penalized with the same pattern. It is most probably a -50 penalty. The easiest way to check is to do a search "mydomain.com" + keywords. If you are not ranking on top, then it is probably a penalty.

      Mine was probably flagged due to social bookmarking blast or it could be lack of anchor diversity. If google system sense something wrong (unatural linking) they will flag your site and a manual review will be taken. It is hard to say when they will come to check your site (maybe depends on the age of your domain and how serious it was?), I have sites done the same link building, and one was penalized in a month and another takes 2 months.

      How do I know? I have statscounter installed and before my sites were penalized, I've seen visits from Google India.

      It is great that you have whois protect, but using Google analytic might be the cause of mass penalized. I have over 10 sites in one account with no Google analytic, no Adsense but all of them has been penalized at the same time. The only thing I can think of is that I don't use whois protect. So, don't use Google analytic and make sure it is whois protect if you are hosting in the same account.

      Why would your site be penalized? Probably flagged by Google due to your link building activity. Someone could have report your site as spam, but I don't think this is the case though.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ping Liang
    The same thing happened to my website (which is around 9 months old, too) between yesterday and today. I didn't do anything attention-causing, either. I guess what we are going to do is just "wait".
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  • Profile picture of the author carljohn
    1. That means you are still doing link building for other 2 sites? As I already mentioned, I have sites that stopped link building for 2 months (not 3 months though) but still gotten a manual review & penalized 2 months later, but some as fast as 1 month. Google system might automatically queue up sites for manual review based on the seriousness of violation. Nobody knows how Google flag a site and I'm just guessing based on my experience. But if your sites have been flagged, they will come to you sooner or latter.

    Again already mentioned and just guessing, maybe just one of your sites have been flagged. But Google employees decided to check all your sites with the same analytic account and penalized them all together.

    3. They don't care about your content. They penalized you because of your link building activities.

    A. Different period of time
    B. No. Although I heard manual penalty is time based? None of my sites come back in 6 months though.
    C. Nothing. Try to appeal but failed.
    D. You could try to appeal, but I'm not going to suggest anything here. You'll find more information about appealing by searching on the web.
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  • Profile picture of the author Snap1976
    Thanks again carljohn.

    Anyone else had the same experience or can offer any suggestions or advice?

    Is this a classic case of what people refer to as the Google Slap?

    Thanks,

    Steven
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  • Profile picture of the author moneymarker
    as carljon has mentioned, there's a posibilty your site has been manually reviewed and penalised.

    Google has algorithms designed to get the best sites to the top, but when they do get to the top, they have to be reviewed with a human eye in order to make sure the site has quality. This is the reason the review panel exists and is the reason some sites go from page one to page 10 without warning...

    "so how do i know what these Google manual review raters ( as they're called) are looking, for....how can I please them?"

    There's a confidential 125-paged "Google Quality Rater's HandBook" you can go through. The last blog i saw sharing this download link , was apparently contacted by Google and asked to stop linking from the document

    I found this one instead ( i downloaded it, scanned against my Malware, Trojan and AntiVirus before opening , so far it looked ok) . I suggest you do the same:
    Google Quality Raters Handbook (Confidential).pdf ( about 2.22MB in size)

    other than that, best to wait if your site will bounce back . If it doesn't, make a new blog post (unique, on-paged optimised) following the "intent and usefullness" criteria as per Google Rater's HandBook. Do NOT ping from your blog (disable Wp pinging). Let the bots find your link from third parties....
    web2.0 and social bookmarking sites...then go for 10 high PR ( at least PR3) contextual blog HOMEPAGE links..then wait 2 weeks. This should boost your ranking ( make sure you only use 1 kw phrase for all 10 high-PR contextual links. I assume you have already diversified the KWs with your other linking strategies)
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    • Profile picture of the author Snap1976
      A big thanks for your advice and info.

      I'll review the doc you sent and follow some of the suggestions you put forward. Hopefully the sites will bounce back.

      Just one quick question...

      The high PR home page contextual links, do I require them for each of the KWs I was ranking for or just the domain. I am assuming the domain only but can you confirm.

      Thanks... Steven


      Originally Posted by moneymarker View Post

      as carljon has mentioned, there's a posibilty your site has been manually reviewed and penalised.

      Google has algorithms designed to get the best sites to the top, but when they do get to the top, they have to be reviewed with a human eye in order to make sure the site has quality. This is the reason the review panel exists and is the reason some sites go from page one to page 10 without warning...

      "so how do i know what these Google manual review raters ( as they're called) are looking, for....how can I please them?"

      There's a confidential 125-paged "Google Quality Rater's HandBook" you can go through. The last blog i saw sharing this download link , was apparently contacted by Google and asked to stop linking from the document

      I found this one instead ( i downloaded it, scanned against my Malware, Trojan and AntiVirus before opening , so far it looked ok) . I suggest you do the same:
      Google Quality Raters Handbook (Confidential).pdf ( about 2.22MB in size)

      other than that, best to wait if your site will bounce back . If it doesn't, make a new blog post (unique, on-paged optimised) following the "intent and usefullness" criteria as per Google Rater's HandBook. Do NOT ping from your blog (disable Wp pinging). Let the bots find your link from third parties....
      web2.0 and social bookmarking sites...then go for at 10 high PR ( at least PR3) contextual blog HOMEPAGE links..then wait 2 weeks. This should boost your ranking ( make sure you only use 1 kw phrase for all 10 high-PR contextual links. I assume you have already diversified the KWs with your other linking strategies)
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      • Profile picture of the author moneymarker
        Originally Posted by Snap1976 View Post

        A big thanks for your advice and info.

        I'll review the doc you sent and follow some of the suggestions you put forward. Hopefully the sites will bounce back.

        Just one quick question...

        The high PR home page contextual links, do I require them for each of the KWs I was ranking for or just the domain. I am assuming the domain only but can you confirm.

        Thanks... Steven
        If after 1-2 weeks waiting your site haven't bounced back yet, then yes. Use only 1 keyword/keyword phrase per 10 high PR blogs. Each blog shoud also have different IPs ( rather than just unique C++, better to have different hosts for each - that makes it completely non-contiguous IPs. There's a warrior here offering that service (Kingsley) or High PR society also offers the same.... KOK from Nuclear Indexer is another....
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        • Profile picture of the author Snap1976
          Thanks for your additional advice moneymaker. Much appreciated.

          I am familiar with High PR Society so will make some purchases there if monitoring the sites for 1-2 weeks doesn't yield any bounce back in rankings.

          Regards... Steven

          Originally Posted by moneymarker View Post

          If after 1-2 weeks waiting your site haven't bounced back yet, then yes. Use only 1 keyword/keyword phrase per 10 high PR blogs. Each blog shoud also have different IPs ( rather than just unique C++, better to have different hosts for each - that makes it completely non-contiguous IPs. There's a warrior here offering that service (Kingsley) or High PR society also offers the same.... KOK from Nuclear Indexer is another....
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    • Profile picture of the author sanlee
      Originally Posted by moneymarker View Post

      as carljon has mentioned, there's a posibilty your site has been manually reviewed and penalised.

      Google has algorithms designed to get the best sites to the top, but when they do get to the top, they have to be reviewed with a human eye in order to make sure the site has quality. This is the reason the review panel exists and is the reason some sites go from page one to page 10 without warning...

      "so how do i know what these Google manual review raters ( as they're called) are looking, for....how can I please them?"

      There's a confidential 125-paged "Google Quality Rater's HandBook" you can go through. The last blog i saw sharing this download link , was apparently contacted by Google and asked to stop linking from the document

      I found this one instead ( i downloaded it, scanned against my Malware, Trojan and AntiVirus before opening , so far it looked ok) . I suggest you do the same:
      Google Quality Raters Handbook (Confidential).pdf ( about 2.22MB in size)

      other than that, best to wait if your site will bounce back . If it doesn't, make a new blog post (unique, on-paged optimised) following the "intent and usefullness" criteria as per Google Rater's HandBook. Do NOT ping from your blog (disable Wp pinging). Let the bots find your link from third parties....
      web2.0 and social bookmarking sites...then go for 10 high PR ( at least PR3) contextual blog HOMEPAGE links..then wait 2 weeks. This should boost your ranking ( make sure you only use 1 kw phrase for all 10 high-PR contextual links. I assume you have already diversified the KWs with your other linking strategies)
      guys, just to point out this is good stuff if you were just dropping by this thread.
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  • Profile picture of the author singaporeasiaco
    wow. that's why I love WarriorForum.. so many awesomely experienced and helpful Warriors!!

    I hope your issue gets resolved soon!

    Do keep us posted!!
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  • Profile picture of the author HKSEO Extropy
    The common thread here is (I believe) the same adsense account on all of your sites. Something triggered a manual review of one and the rest got dragged in together.

    The site you list looks like a made for affiliate site, which manual reviews will kill. (We have two of the 'leapforce' Google manual reviewers on staff so we're familiar with their approaches)

    My suggestion is to new sites, rewrite the content, and pray that these happen to bounce back. If you want to become an authority site and not a MFA site then you need to design it as such. But if you make MFA-style sites, manual reviews will always get you.
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    • Profile picture of the author moneymarker
      Originally Posted by HKSEO Extropy View Post

      The common thread here is (I believe) the same adsense account on all of your sites. Something triggered a manual review of one and the rest got dragged in together.

      The site you list looks like a made for affiliate site, which manual reviews will kill. (We have two of the 'leapforce' Google manual reviewers on staff so we're familiar with their approaches)

      My suggestion is to new sites, rewrite the content, and pray that these happen to bounce back. If you want to become an authority site and not a MFA site then you need to design it as such. But if you make MFA-style sites, manual reviews will always get you.
      I absolutely agree! The latest handbook will reveal all these as well...

      Off Topic: Your sig links reminded me of joining Linklicious, which I've been putting off for quite some time now. From what I've read from their site, they mainly do pinging...right? My issue with that is, 'pinging' per se doesn't actually mean your backlinks will get indexed. It simply just alerts Google of your new content/links so the bots can find them. Whether indexing occurs is another thing... it can depend on many factors e.g. sites where the bots find your links. Another thing is that, if Linklicious only does pinging, then why should i pay them monthly fee where i can do that with the free version of Sick Submitter ( i can ping unlimited number of backlinks, even let the pinging done with spun KWs, and schedule the process). I don't mean do be critical...but 'thought maybe you can enlighten me here as to whether i am missing something about Linklicious...
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  • Profile picture of the author Blakers
    Hi Snap1976, I had this exact same thing happen to me at the beginning of February. About 30 of sites, all containing Adsense, got slapped and lost about 50 spots in the ranking (-50 penalty). My conclusion is that I was manually reviewed, didn't pass the inspection and the reviewer then just mass penalized the rest of my sites with the same Adsense ID. I also had these sites in ANalytics and the Webmaster Tools. The only sites spared where the ones containing no Adsense, for example, ones monetized by Amazon or CPA.

    Some of the slapped sites were 5 pagers and others were authority type sites with 80+ pages. My guess is some of the authority sites weren't really looked at but because the site being reviewed was deemed poor and not up to Google's standards, they just figured the rest were.

    Moving forward, I've pretty much given up on all these sites and am deciding which ones I want to redo, but improve upon. I also will NOT be using Analytics or Webmaster Tools and am even limiting my exposure to Adsense.

    It's been about 3 weeks and not one has shown any signs of improvement, but nor have I tried to really build links or improve the content. Let me know if you have other questions about my experience.
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    • Profile picture of the author sanlee
      Originally Posted by Blakers View Post

      Hi Snap1976, I had this exact same thing happen to me at the beginning of February. About 30 of sites, all containing Adsense, got slapped and lost about 50 spots in the ranking (-50 penalty). My conclusion is that I was manually reviewed, didn't pass the inspection and the reviewer then just mass penalized the rest of my sites with the same Adsense ID. I also had these sites in ANalytics and the Webmaster Tools. The only sites spared where the ones containing no Adsense, for example, ones monetized by Amazon or CPA.

      Some of the slapped sites were 5 pagers and others were authority type sites with 80+ pages. My guess is some of the authority sites weren't really looked at but because the site being reviewed was deemed poor and not up to Google's standards, they just figured the rest were.

      Moving forward, I've pretty much given up on all these sites and am deciding which ones I want to redo, but improve upon. I also will NOT be using Analytics or Webmaster Tools and am even limiting my exposure to Adsense.

      It's been about 3 weeks and not one has shown any signs of improvement, but nor have I tried to really build links or improve the content. Let me know if you have other questions about my experience.
      there's this conspiracy theory about information sharing between google webmaster, analytics and hence impacting ranking results which have caught my attention. there seems to be two camps on this issue, and Matt Cutts has mentioned that the web spam division doesn't use information from other google service. anyone has the same experience?
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  • Profile picture of the author michael scott
    Your site got Panda'd.

    You may want to take a look at the articles you have in this page:
    http://accountingcertificateprograms.org/otherarticles/

    Now look at some of the articles you've got here:
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    Clearly, it's a link farm AKA "blog network" that links out to other websites. Even with the nofollow tag you've got on them it's still linking out to shady niche sites like "payday loan"

    Here's where it comes full circle:
    Some of your content is copied from other sites

    Your site got Panda'd.
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    • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
      Originally Posted by michael scott View Post

      Your site got Panda'd.

      You may want to take a look at the articles you have in this page:
      http://accountingcertificateprograms.org/otherarticles/

      Now look at some of the articles you've got here:
      More Contents |

      Clearly, it's a link farm AKA "blog network" that links out to other websites. Even with the nofollow tag you've got on them it's still linking out to shady niche sites like "payday loan"

      Here's where it comes full circle:
      Some of your content is copied from other sites
      Wow. Cannot believe you didn't know why your rankings dropped.

      You are lucky they didn't decide to ban your AdSense account too for good measure.

      Good catch Mr. Scott.
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      • Profile picture of the author Snap1976
        Hi Everyone... back from my sleep (since I live in Melbourne Australia).

        I think I need to understand this more.

        The articles that you found on those pages were a result of a technique taught in a WSO called 5MMM. The whole technique revolves around the fact that after you have built a site and created many pages that are ranking well, and the way to keep the site fresh is to get some auto unique content (in this case from UAW via a plugin) posted into a directory (e.g. other articles) which is not really visitor facing. This is done when you are no longer thinking about posting more content onto the site.

        So you would use a broader category (in this case "business") so enough articles would be posted from UAW. The whole intent is simply to keep the freshness of the site up.

        I'm not going to name the instructor who taught us this but are you guys indicating that this technique may be responsible for my rankings drop?

        I ask because I've just implemented this technique across all my sites!

        If this is the potential cause, would deleting those articles and shutting down the UAW feed help resolve this? Or is there more I need to do?

        Your advice is most appreciated.

        Thanks... Steven


        Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

        Wow. Cannot believe you didn't know why your rankings dropped.

        You are lucky they didn't decide to ban your AdSense account too for good measure.

        Good catch Mr. Scott.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jordan Kovats
    Did you check you Webmster Tools? Did you get "the letter" from Google being discussed over here ? The thing that stuck out from me was when you said;

    "For the other two sites, linkbuilding has been continuing steadily. Not much automated linkbuilding, mostly manual through my group of VAs. I have a good spread of links from EDU pages, high PR blog Comments, social bookmarks, Web 2.0 properties, press releases, article networks and high PR forum profiles."

    Perhaps there is a crackdown on networks and spun content.
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    • Profile picture of the author Snap1976
      Hi theseoguys,

      No I didn't get the letter being discussed over in the other thread. Nothing in my webmaster account.

      In my most recent post on this thread, it looks as though other warriors may have discovered the issue and the root of the problem. It appears that a technique that was taught to me which uses auto content to keep the site fresh (e.g. keep freshness score up) may have caused this issue.

      If that is the case, then my focus turns towards how I can rectify that.

      The content on my site (apart from the content from UAW) is all 100% unique and written by Warriors For Hire. The articles cost me $10-$12 per article as well. No spun content.

      Thanks... Steven


      Originally Posted by theseoguys View Post

      Did you check you Webmster Tools? Did you get "the letter" from Google being discussed over here ? The thing that stuck out from me was when you said;

      "For the other two sites, linkbuilding has been continuing steadily. Not much automated linkbuilding, mostly manual through my group of VAs. I have a good spread of links from EDU pages, high PR blog Comments, social bookmarks, Web 2.0 properties, press releases, article networks and high PR forum profiles."

      Perhaps there is a crackdown on networks and spun content.
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  • Profile picture of the author JeanneLynn
    I had one of my sites get up to Google's first page for a very competitive keyword, then it dropped all the way down to page 12. I think the site had a manual review done on it. It had 10 pages of unique content, all articles at least 1000 words. One of my articles is 7500 words, so the site isn't thin on content. All of the content was written by me; none of it was scraped, spun or copied. The site was gone for about a week and then it popped back onto page 1.

    If your content is good and unique, it will probably pop back up soon. Maybe you should add a little more content and see what happens?
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    • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
      Originally Posted by JeanneLynn View Post

      I had one of my sites get up to Google's first page for a very competitive keyword, then it dropped all the way down to page 12. I think the site had a manual review done on it. It had 10 pages of unique content, all articles at least 1000 words. One of my articles is 7500 words, so the site isn't thin on content. All of the content was written by me; none of it was scraped, spun or copied. The site was gone for about a week and then it popped back onto page 1.

      If your content is good and unique, it will probably pop back up soon. Maybe you should add a little more content and see what happens?
      No this site is not popping back up. Read post #24.
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      • Profile picture of the author JeanneLynn
        Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

        No this site is not popping back up. Read post #24.
        Yikes! I guess I should read the whole thread before commenting. I'm distracted by the Academy Award Red Carpet on television!
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      • Profile picture of the author Jordan Kovats
        Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

        No this site is not popping back up. Read post #24.

        Agreed....I would have banned it too. Accounting certificate programs...life insurance and trucking companies....yeah...that's related.
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  • Profile picture of the author michael scott
    so you are running an autoblog on your site. Do you know how Google feels about autoblogs with shady external links? If I were you, I would demand a refund from the guy who sold you the WSO. It's clearly a bigger scam than Matt Laclaire.

    The sites weren't manually penalized, they were penalized with the algo. I took a look at the site and in less than 10 minutes I found more than 5 things that led to your ranking drop. The autoblog was 1 of many things that caused the dip.
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    • Profile picture of the author Snap1976
      Thanks for chiming in again Michael. Much appreciated.

      I will definitely raise an issue with the WSO owner, that's for sure. But I guess the damage has already been done.

      In rectifying the issue, I'll be removing these autoblogs from all my sites right away.

      In relation to the other issues you identified, are you able to share those with me? I would absolutely appreciate your feedback no matter how harsh they may be. It's the only way I'll improve the sites and my overall knowledge.

      If the sites haven't been manually penalized, then I may be able to get them ranking again.

      Thanks in advance.

      Steven


      Originally Posted by michael scott View Post

      so you are running an autoblog on your site. Do you know how Google feels about autoblogs with shady external links? If I were you, I would demand a refund from the guy who sold you the WSO. It's clearly a bigger scam than Matt Laclaire.

      The sites weren't manually penalized, they were penalized with the algo. I took a look at the site and in less than 10 minutes I found more than 5 things that led to your ranking drop. The autoblog was 1 of many things that caused the dip.
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  • Profile picture of the author moneymarker
    Hello Steven....The Panda algorithm is not normally based on a single page. Several pages will need to be disapproved before all of them drop in ranking.I don't think your homepage is of low quality but it could have been affected by the other pages that are.You'll have to get rid of these pages..... As Michael has pointed out, I'd start with this one. http://accountingcertificateprograms.org/otherarticles/ As per Panda algo, this page is regarded as an "empty" content. Nothing is worse than pages that just link to other pages. With empty content, Panda will penalize a whole site. Also, you choose to have adsense ( and analytics?) so make sure your content isn’t automated. That's not to say that autoblogs don't work even after the Panda update. BUT you see, i don't use adsense, analytics or any of those webmaster tools Mage users to this date continue to profit from such blogs.

    Lastly, work out how many of your pages are of low quality and high-quality pages that are linking externally to low quality sites. Remove these links but if you prefer that you must link to some sites, then link to high authority like WikiPedia. Replace the low quality pages @ a ratio of 1:5, at least . Meaning, for every 1 crappy page, create 5 qualityones to compensate. What you're doing here is you're attempting to reduce the percentage of low quality pages by replacing them with quality pages. That may sound expensive if you're paying $12 per unique article. An alternative is curation.Curation is ethical. Curation is Google friendly and Panda LOVES it.
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    • Profile picture of the author Snap1976
      Thanks again moneymaker for your advice.

      I will go ahead and remove all low quality pages which will be all the page/posts from the autoblog.

      I will also do run a check to ensure I am not linking to any low quality sites.

      Hopefully this will help.

      Lastly, when you have some spare time, can you explain "curation" in more detail. Or perhaps point me to somewhere where I can do more research about it.

      Regards... Steven

      Originally Posted by moneymarker View Post

      Hello Steven....The Panda algorithm is not normally based on a single page. Several pages will need to be disapproved before all of them drop in ranking.I don't think your homepage is of low quality but it could have been affected by the other pages that are.You'll have to get rid of these pages..... As Michael has pointed out, I'd start with this one. http://accountingcertificateprograms.org/otherarticles/ As per Panda algo, this page is regarded as an "empty" content. Nothing is worse than pages that just link to other pages. With empty content, Panda will penalize a whole site. Also, you choose to have adsense ( and analytics?) so make sure your content isn't automated. That's not to say that autoblogs don't work even after the Panda update. BUT you see, i don't use adsense, analytics or any of those webmaster tools Mage users to this date continue to profit from such blogs.

      Lastly, work out how many of your pages are of low quality and high-quality pages that are linking externally to low quality sites. Remove these links but if you prefer that you must link to some sites, then link to high authority like WikiPedia. Replace the low quality pages @ a ratio of 1:5, at least . Meaning, for every 1 crappy page, create 5 to compensate. What you're doing here is you're attempting to reduce the percentage of low quality pages by replacing them with quality pages. That may sound expensive if you're paying $12 per unique article. An alternative is curation.Curation is ethical. Curation is Google friendly and Panda LOVES it.
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      • Profile picture of the author moneymarker
        Originally Posted by Snap1976 View Post

        Thanks again moneymaker for your advice.

        I will go ahead and remove all low quality pages which will be all the page/posts from the autoblog.

        I will also do run a check to ensure I am not linking to any low quality sites.

        Hopefully this will help.

        Lastly, when you have some spare time, can you explain "curation" in more detail. Or perhaps point me to somewhere where I can do more research about it.

        Regards... Steven
        you're more than welcome, Steven....let me search through my folders...I'll email you later....
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    Does having the same adsense account and google analytics in all your sites a problem?
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    • Profile picture of the author moneymarker
      Originally Posted by hocuspocus32 View Post

      Does having the same adsense account and google analytics in all your sites a problem?
      it does when you're playing up Google. Kind of like giving them a radar or "GPS" of what you're up to... if you're a purist and going by the rules, then you should be ok.....
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      • Profile picture of the author AlexCN
        Hey Steven,

        I know the course. Did you make sure to do a seperate WP installation for your auto blog? ( it looks like you probably did!)

        I havent done as the course instructed though I was planning to and most certainly will not be after reading this thread... thanks for all of this. It sucks for you, but we can all benefit from this information.

        I know the 5mmm guys have been very successful with this technicque in the past. The thing is, what worked in 2008/2009/2010 may NOT be working today...

        As most here probably know, the first Panda update was only the beginning. This is going to be ongoing for years, and it sounds like th most recent 'update' came about a week ago...

        I guess the lesson here is twofold:

        1. Good user content/experience with NO duplicate (poorly spun content)

        2. Do not put all your eggs in one basket!
        Leaving next months income solely in the hands of a google bot or manual reviewer is scary stuff these days!!
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        • Profile picture of the author todawg_not
          Don't worry to much just keep building backlinks naturally.

          I have a site over 12months old with 140+ posts, it dropped in traffic
          and dropped in Adense for a month, then the next month it came back and doubled in revenue.

          Just keep motoring adding good quality content and mixing up your contexual anchor text backlinks.

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          • Profile picture of the author Snap1976
            Thanks for chiming in Nigel. It's great that I'm getting all this Aussie love.

            And yep, I'll continue to keep motoring and building some strong high PR backlinks (will use some home page in content backlinks from High PR Society along with other diversified backlinks with good anchor text variation).

            I'll will use this as a bit of a case study to see if I can bring a site back from the dead. I could probably learn something from this experience so all is not lost. I'm sure I'll discover some SEO gems along the way.

            Regards... Steven

            Originally Posted by todawg_not View Post

            Don't worry to much just keep building backlinks naturally.

            I have a site over 12months old with 140+ posts, it dropped in traffic
            and dropped in Adense for a month, then the next month it came back and doubled in revenue.

            Just keep motoring adding good quality content and mixing up your contexual anchor text backlinks.

            Nigel
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          • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
            Originally Posted by todawg_not View Post

            Don't worry to much just keep building backlinks naturally.

            I have a site over 12months old with 140+ posts, it dropped in traffic
            and dropped in Adense for a month, then the next month it came back and doubled in revenue.

            Just keep motoring adding good quality content and mixing up your contexual anchor text backlinks.

            Nigel
            That is awful advice. You cannot just bury your head in the sand in this case. There are serious issues with the site brought up by Michael that need to be addressed. If they are just left unchanged, the site is not going to just come back.

            I cannot believe that somebody is selling a WSO recommending setting up this kind of garbage. What a POS.
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            • Profile picture of the author Snap1976
              Thanks for your advice Mike.

              I have already deleted the entire autoblog and deactivated the UAW plugin.

              And I agree that WSO developers should test their courses before selling them to avoid situations like this in the future.

              I just want to clarify... now that I have deleted the entire autoblog, is not building some high value backlinks (e.g. high PR home page in content backlinks) not the way to go to try and resurrect the rankings for this site? What are your thoughts on this?

              Regards... Steven

              Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

              That is awful advice. You cannot just bury your head in the sand in this case. There are serious issues with the site brought up by Michael that need to be addressed. If they are just left unchanged, the site is not going to just come back.

              I cannot believe that somebody is selling a WSO recommending setting up this kind of garbage. What a POS.
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            • Profile picture of the author cssitkt
              If you have google webmaster tools connected to your site, look for the following message:

              "Google Webmaster Tools notice of unnatural links detected...please submit your site for reconsideration"

              Thousands of sites have been affected and the sign is all rankings drop.

              Backlinks can harm your site!
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              • Profile picture of the author yc.ng
                This is the issue related to keyword over-optimization that trigger -10, -20 or more penalty from Google.

                Try de-optimization with generic keywords such as click here, find out more, domain name, url & etc.

                For SEO sustainability, naturalization is the way to go - link diversity from different sources, anchor text diversity, focus more on quality contextual backlinks.

                Hope it helps.
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                • Profile picture of the author Gwynne
                  For what it's worth, I bought the 5MMM WSO and installed an auto blog on a separate WP install as recommended. This was done on a relatively new site in a very competitive niche and relatively competitive keywords. Only did on this 1 site to see what would happen. What I discovered was that because the keyword used on the auto blog was so broad and only generally relevant to the website's topic that my site went from #9 on page 1 to page 4. When I change the keyword on the auto blog to be less broad and more relevant to the topic of the site, it is now back to page 1. Just checked it, and it's still there.
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                  • Profile picture of the author rinor81
                    Hey guys, here is an update from my end...

                    A few of my keywords from various sites got hit and crushed really hard!

                    I had a keyword on place 16-17 and now it's 250, I had keywords of a site that is for years on #3 now those different keywords are:

                    #3 -> #12

                    #3 -> #350

                    #6 -> #600+

                    and so on....

                    These are not new sites, no duplicate content, built links over time to them from BMR, social bookmarks, guest blogs and so on....


                    I really hope that is temporary because if not than Google killed my sites and my business....I really don't know what this is - no message in Webmaster Tools.

                    Ideas?
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                  • Profile picture of the author Snap1976
                    Hi Gwynne,

                    My two bobs worth after this incident is that I won't be using the techniques taught out of 5MMM. I think I can safely say that autoblogs are no good from a number of perspectives and the research and suggestions by other warriors over the past few days would confirm that.

                    Whilst narrowing the keyword or niche on the autoblog may help, in the long run there are too many risks for your site. If it is just a small site (e.g. 1 or 2 pages like the example in 5MMM) then it may be worth the risk. However, for my sites that have 40 plus pages (each costing about $10-$12 per article), it's probably not worth it.

                    Good luck with it all and thanks again for chiming in.

                    Steven

                    Originally Posted by Gwynne View Post

                    For what it's worth, I bought the 5MMM WSO and installed an auto blog on a separate WP install as recommended. This was done on a relatively new site in a very competitive niche and relatively competitive keywords. Only did on this 1 site to see what would happen. What I discovered was that because the keyword used on the auto blog was so broad and only generally relevant to the website's topic that my site went from #9 on page 1 to page 4. When I change the keyword on the auto blog to be less broad and more relevant to the topic of the site, it is now back to page 1. Just checked it, and it's still there.
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                • Profile picture of the author Snap1976
                  Thanks for chipping in the discussion.

                  I do agree that natural linkbuilding is the way to go including great link diversity in terms of types and sources, the use of in content links, to have diversity in PR etc.

                  However, I don't think it is to do with over optimization as 2 out of the 4 sites have had no linkbuilding activity for months.

                  But what I will do since I have 4 sites penalized is that I will do some testing and on one site, I will do some additional linkbuilding that includes de-optimization of the primary keywords for each page/post.

                  I'll report back and it can almost become a bit of a case study.

                  Regards... Steven

                  Originally Posted by yc.ng View Post

                  This is the issue related to keyword over-optimization that trigger -10, -20 or more penalty from Google.

                  Try de-optimization with generic keywords such as click here, find out more, domain name, url & etc.

                  For SEO sustainability, naturalization is the way to go - link diversity from different sources, anchor text diversity, focus more on quality contextual backlinks.

                  Hope it helps.
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        • Profile picture of the author Snap1976
          Thanks for the words of advice Alex. Much appreciated. And I second that motion about what worked years back may not work now.

          For your info and what it's worth, I did do a separate WP installation as instructed in the course.

          But you live and learn and hopefully the sites will bounce back even stronger. I won't give up on them yet. I've now removed the 5MMM autoblog (not only on this site but for all my sites) and will continue to do some strong linkbuilding along with adding unique and high quality content etc.

          Thanks again buddy.

          Steven


          Originally Posted by AlexCN View Post

          Hey Steven,

          I know the course. Did you make sure to do a seperate WP installation for your auto blog? ( it looks like you probably did!)

          I havent done as the course instructed though I was planning to and most certainly will not be after reading this thread... thanks for all of this. It sucks for you, but we can all benefit from this information.

          I know the 5mmm guys have been very successful with this technicque in the past. The thing is, what worked in 2008/2009/2010 may NOT be working today...

          As most here probably know, the first Panda update was only the beginning. This is going to be ongoing for years, and it sounds like th most recent 'update' came about a week ago...

          I guess the lesson here is twofold:

          1. Good user content/experience with NO duplicate (poorly spun content)

          2. Do not put all your eggs in one basket!
          Leaving next months income solely in the hands of a google bot or manual reviewer is scary stuff these days!!
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  • Profile picture of the author rosesmark
    As we all of you know that Google recently update Google Panda 3.3. There are various things we should more focus on.

    1. Change in the Search Engine Ranking Algorithm
    2. Loss of PageRank/Link Popularity
    3. Cinderella Story or "Honeymoon" Effect
    4. Malware or Hacking
    5. Penalty
    6. Canonicalization Problems
    7. Broken links
    8. Server Problems
    9. robots.txt Issues
    10. Duplicate Content
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    • Profile picture of the author bobrichards
      All very good stuff at this link below. It seems to provide very good insight, especially this issue:

      Google says: Link evaluation. We often use characteristics of links to help us figure out the topic of a linked page. We have changed the way in which we evaluate links; in particular, we are turning off a method of link analysis that we used for several years. We often rearchitect or turn off parts of our scoring in order to keep our system maintainable, clean and understandable.
      Commentator: This is probably one of the biggest and most important updates. Again, it’s very hard to know exactly what methods of link analysis that they’ve turned off. Reading between the lines, it is possible that Google is going to place less importance on the anchor text and more importance on where the link comes from. Presumably this will benefit sites with contextual links from sites that have related topics to the site where the backlink is pointing.
      My comment: this means that contextual links, so highly regarded for so long, wont mean much UNLESS from a related site.

      http://www.warriorforum.com/adsense-...-3-update.html
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      • Profile picture of the author shakers
        Hey Steven,

        I was recently hit too. I have a site blinds-emporium.com.au that is currently 6 months old. I was hitting page 1 for some KW's and for the very competitive KW's I was top of page 2.

        Since 1 March I dont even register for the more competitive KW's.

        I had been using SEO Link Vine Elite for some time and for some of the anchor text KW's I have not been penalised.

        The only thing I can think of that may have stuffed my rankings is that I recently installed Google Analytics. About a week later on 1 March I have been penalised. My theory is (and I would love to hear everyone's thoughts) is that Google thinks with the amount of links I have I should be getting x amount of traffic....and I'm not.

        If I disable my Google Analytics account would I see my rankings bounce back?

        If I disable my SEO Link Vine account would that help? Apparently as soon as I shut down my account I loose all my links.

        Would love to hear from everyone.
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  • Profile picture of the author MaverickUK
    Hi Steven,

    I noticed that before you deleted the autoblog content, the content was duplicated across your domain due to the tags each article was assigned. Whilst this probably isn't the cause of your ranking drops, it's not going to help you either.

    In the instance of having multiple copies of the same article on your own website, you need to add a canonical tag to the one you deem most important or the one you want to rank for a given keyword. A canonical tag basically tells the search engine that THIS is the page you want to be ranked - complications of not doing this include your pagerank being distributed unevenly across the multiple URL's, which in turn, can affect that articles ranking ability.

    Just a heads up!
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    • Profile picture of the author Snap1976
      Hi Maverick.

      I've now deleted the autoblog so I think the issue with the tags go away.

      I've checked to ensure there is no duplicate content anywhere on my sites as well.

      But thanks for the heads up and good advice.

      Steven

      Originally Posted by MaverickUK View Post

      Hi Steven,

      I noticed that before you deleted the autoblog content, the content was duplicated across your domain due to the tags each article was assigned. Whilst this probably isn't the cause of your ranking drops, it's not going to help you either.

      In the instance of having multiple copies of the same article on your own website, you need to add a canonical tag to the one you deem most important or the one you want to rank for a given keyword. A canonical tag basically tells the search engine that THIS is the page you want to be ranked - complications of not doing this include your pagerank being distributed unevenly across the multiple URL's, which in turn, can affect that articles ranking ability.

      Just a heads up!
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  • Profile picture of the author Gelo30
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    I suggest re-optimize your site, do onpage again and place your keywords properly and resubmit it to search engine.
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  • Profile picture of the author attorneydavid
    In this case there are other issues. But alot of people have seen these drops starting in late january.

    I don't think it's Panda 3.3. Panda isn't the cause of every shift. Since the reputed description is to come up with a core of trusted sites and build from that data.

    I think it looks like a link velocity related algorythmic filter somewhat age related. I had three sites hit. I had built links to them heavily the first part of last year and really slacked off after.

    Looking at numerous sites around anchor text is still propping up most competitive rankings . If google decided to stop using it it'd be a class 9 serp shakeup effecting sites going back forever, which it wasn't.
    Also google hasn't been using anchor text for a few years, it's like their entire algo was heavy anchor text as far back as I can remember.

    It may be a 6-12 month purgatory but I'm 80-85% the rankings will bounce back for most of the effected sites unless there are clear issues like duplicate content.
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    • Profile picture of the author rinor81
      Originally Posted by attorneydavid View Post

      In this case there are other issues. But alot of people have seen these drops starting in late january.

      I don't think it's Panda 3.3. Panda isn't the cause of every shift. Since the reputed description is to come up with a core of trusted sites and build from that data.

      I think it looks like a link velocity related algorythmic filter somewhat age related. I had three sites hit. I had built links to them heavily the first part of last year and really slacked off after.

      Looking at numerous sites around anchor text is still propping up most competitive rankings . If google decided to stop using it it'd be a class 9 serp shakeup effecting sites going back forever, which it wasn't.
      Also google hasn't been using anchor text for a few years, it's like their entire algo was heavy anchor text as far back as I can remember.

      It may be a 6-12 month purgatory but I'm 80-85% the rankings will bounce back for most of the effected sites unless there are clear issues like duplicate content.

      Like I've mentioned before, I have aged domains and sites which I do promote and their keywords got hit bad with keywords from #3 spot are now donw to #12, #350, #250 and even #6 down to #600+

      I have no idea where this come from.....link building was legit (except the use of BMR) and no duplicate content or garbage links built.....
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        Originally Posted by rinor81 View Post

        Like I've mentioned before, I have aged domains and sites which I do promote and their keywords got hit bad with keywords from #3 spot are now donw to #12, #350, #250 and even #6 down to #600+

        I have no idea where this come from.....link building was legit (except the use of BMR) and no duplicate content or garbage links built.....
        have you been able to recover from it?
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  • Profile picture of the author melahi
    our site was doing the dance appearing and disappearing but now for certain keywords its nowhere to been seen in the Google results?
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    • Profile picture of the author Snap1976
      Hi seoguru,

      Just thought I'd let you know that I don't use BMR on the 4 sites that dropped in rankings. I did use BMR in the past but not anymore.

      Thanks for chiming in on the discussion.

      Steven

      Originally Posted by seoguro View Post

      BMR coul;d be the problem! Google may be hit you due to BMR
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    Get high quality contextual backlinks and you'll be back to top in no time
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  • Profile picture of the author Fixers
    For me you should be able to get the sites back up, just build some more links and they should pick back up (especially the ones you had not been building links for).

    There have been a lot of algorithmic changes over this month and I think march will be a time for sites to settle and start to recover.

    I would also remove anything google, like analytics as using this is giving them information about your site and stats so remove these IMO.

    Hope you get them back up there just keep on building!!
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  • Profile picture of the author Serenity090
    "Here are the spam flags that you will use:

    Not Spam: If you do not believe that a page is spam, you should assign a Not Spam flag.

    Maybe Spam: If you find a page to be “spammy”, but you don’t feel comfortable saying that the page is definitely spam, you should assign a Maybe Spam flag.

    Spam: If you believe that a page has been designed using the deceptive web design techniques described in these guidelines, you should assign a Spam flag.

    When unsure which flag to use, remember to ask yourself these questions:

    Does the page provide the user with a good search experience?
    Does the page contain original content that would be helpful to users?
    Do you think the page should be included in a set of search results?
    Is the page designed for users? Is there a human element to the page?
    If you removed the PPC ads and copied text from the page, is there anything helpful left? If you answer “yes” to these questions, the page is probably not spam."

    Directly From Horses Mouth...See the Guide Shared in this thread....
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  • Profile picture of the author hocuspocus32
    Check out the latest update from Google and you will know why it has effected your site, its not just yours many have seen steep falls in rankings
    Search quality highlights: 40 changes for February


    Search quality highlights: 40 changes for February - Inside Search
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  • Profile picture of the author weddulatech
    Hey Snap1976

    Well I have just joined Warrior Forum and this is my first reply and I read this whole thread. My take on this situation is, whatever happened has happened and you should find yourself more motivated to start it over again.

    - Try to make your website more fresh with some top quality content to attract visitors and a cool theme.
    - I know its good to write lengthy content but you can start over with 500 words to 800 words content with quality. No need to write everything, just simple pointers which are easy to grab in one look. (Just one of the suggestion)
    - Write few guest posts on other sites (Squidoo, Hubs etc.) and link them together.
    - Do 10 bookmarks daily and add network to your bookmarking profiles.
    - Build your network on social media profiles and run your content there and ask for opinions, polls and reviews.
    - Create communities and groups, add people, run discussions and attract people to your website.
    - Create a video of yourself describing subject related to your website and upload it on Youtube.
    You can do so so much with your websites, that Google can't even think of putting you down. If you will go for quality then you don't have to find visitors, people will find your website.

    PS: Running a website is like running a Government. You should know how to handle the flow of people from your different properties.

    Rest of these intellectual people already suggested important measures and reasons.
    Best of luck!!

    If you need some more help you can pm me.
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  • Profile picture of the author bobrichards
    Folks,
    I just read through these comments, have had a similar experience (which I will detail in a minute) and see that everything said is conjecture. People are giving advice and others taking that advice while it is all GUESSING! We don't know why his site got slapped and the actions he took may have nothing to do with getting slapped or solving the issue.

    I have 50 or so sites in my analytics/webmaster/adsense account. Google sent me a message in webmaster tools that 2 of the sites had un-natural linking (message below) with a link in the message for "reconsideration." I responded to them via that link.

    Interestingly, these 2 sites that were singled out have had no degradation in rank or traffic yet others have. I have two other sites, Retirement Income and Retirement Blog. The first got hammered while the second is doing fine. I use the same linking activities on all sites. All content is original by me. There is no possible way to explain the inconsistency. It could be that google programmers and reviewers don't know what they are dong and much of the slapping is arbitrary. I could jump to the conclusion that the slap was because of this or that, but I have no evidence of any reason. I think we would all best serve one another with fact rather than opinio and when we dont have facts, clearly state "this is my best GUESS."

    Bob



    Dear site owner or webmaster of ,
    We've detected that some of your site's pages may be using techniques that are outside Google's Webmaster Guidelines.
    Specifically, look for possibly artificial or unnatural links pointing to your site that could be intended to manipulate PageRank. Examples of unnatural linking could include buying links to pass PageRank or participating in link schemes.
    We encourage you to make changes to your site so that it meets our quality guidelines. Once you've made these changes, please submit your site for reconsideration in Google's search results.
    If you find unnatural links to your site that you are unable to control or remove, please provide the details in your reconsideration request.
    If you have any questions about how to resolve this issue, please see our Webmaster Help Forum for support.
    Sincerely,
    Google Search Quality Team
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  • Profile picture of the author Snap1976
    Hi Everyone,

    As the OP I will now post the outcome of this whole saga.

    So a few days after my site lost it's rankings (all pages dropped in rankings by 30-50 positions across the board - e.g. most pages on page one of Google dropping to page 5) I received a message from Google in my Webmaster account and it read the below.

    You should note the subtle difference between the note posted below and the other messages many other warriors have been receiving. The note posted below refers to "bad" links on my site linking out to other sites AS OPPOSED to the other messages warriors have been receiving which is about unnatural links pointing to their site.

    Dear site owner or webmaster of http://www.accountingcertificateprograms.org/,
    We've detected that some of your site's pages may be using techniques that are outside Google's Webmaster Guidelines.
    Specifically, look for possibly artificial or unnatural links on your site pointing to other sites that could be intended to manipulate PageRank. Examples of unnatural linking could include selling links to pass PageRank or participating in link schemes.
    We encourage you to make changes to your site so that it meets our quality guidelines. Once you've made these changes, please submit your site for reconsideration in Google's search results.
    If you have any questions about how to resolve this issue, please see our Webmaster Help Forum for support.
    Sincerely,
    Google Search Quality Team


    This message absolutely confirms the advice provided by some of the other warriors on page one of this thread that the culprit of my rankings drop was the 5MMM technique used (e.g. create an autoblog with a keyword in the wider niche to keep the site fresh).

    So I have deleted the UAW plugin, deleted all the pages and continued to do only some manual high PR link building.

    After the above actions and a thoughtfully written email to Google, I submitted my request for reconsideration. I received a response from Google yesterday and they have reinstated my rankings.

    This has occurred across all 4 of my sites that were penalized. Yes, you read that right! I have successfully gotten my site back into the index and ranking again. The rankings have dropped slightly but in the most part the site is back up in the Google SERPs.

    This experience has taught me:

    1. That you need to understand well Google's guidelines and play by all the rules.
    2. Do not just buy a WSO and blindly follow the advice of so called gurus. What works for them may not work for you or their techniques may be outdated or flawed.
    3. Do not participate in black hat linkbuilding exchange/schemes and it appears that the value of using some of the established link networks may be diminishing.
    3. There are always options if you have created a genuine site that has unique written content, adds at least some value to visitors and that is well optimized.

    I hope that my experiences and the advice of helpful warriors on this post will help others that are in the same or similar situations.

    Thanks... Steven
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    • Profile picture of the author cssitkt
      awesome and glad you got your site back!
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    • Profile picture of the author hocuspocus32
      Originally Posted by Snap1976 View Post

      Hi Everyone,



      2. Do not just buy a WSO and blindly follow the advice of so called gurus. What works for them may not work for you or their techniques may be outdated or flawed.


      Thanks... Steven
      Hi Steven
      Its very good that you got your site back, and Congrats on that.

      I liked your above statement, Nowdays even tom, dick and harry is a guru with WSO

      No idea how many are loosing money buying in.
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      yolo


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  • Profile picture of the author Snap1976
    Hi Everyone,

    I have received a flood of PMs in my inbox around providing advice on this issue of losing and then regaining my rankings with Google (e.g. what has been discussed in this thread). I'm just getting through them now but wanted to make this post to ensure that Warriors are PM'ing me for the right reasons.

    The notification I received in Google Webmaster and the issue for my 4 sites was NOT the backlinks I built to them. The message (which I have pasted into Post 72) clearly states that the issue was the outgoing links from my sites. So it was the sites I was linking to from my own sites and also the way I was linking out to them that the Google Quality Team had issues with. You have to read the message from Google very carefully as only a few words differ from the message many Warriors have received around improper backlinking or linkbuilding techniques.

    So I don't have any real advice for Warriors that have had their sites de-indexed or penalized for off page SEO and linkbuilding activities and problems.

    I do have some advice for Warriors around internal linking and the quality of sites to link out to. I also have advice for the message to written to the Google Quality Team when completing the reconsideration for indexing request. Here they are.

    1. Do not link out to sites that are irrelevant to the niche of your site/page/post.
    2. Only link out to sites that add value to your site/page/post.
    3. It is recommended to link out to high authority sites that are relevant to your niche.
    4. Do not link out to low value and spammy sites.
    5. Do not have hundreds of outgoing links per page/post.
    6. Do not link out to sites as part of link schemes.
    7. You can also be penalized for cloaking your affiliate links.

    In your message to the Google Quality Team:

    1. Be honest. I told them everything I did that led to the penalty.
    2. Be detailed. I provided them step by step and my response was two pages long.
    3. Make sure you write your understanding of the issue (e.g. your interpretation).
    4. Ensure you state the specific actions you took to rectify the identified issues.
    5. Mention that you've read the guidelines (and make sure you have)

    I also did quite a bit of reading at the Google Webmasters Forum about the problems as well and cited some information provided by some of the analysts.

    I hope this post helps out those that are currently having issues with their rankings being dropped by Google.

    Thanks... Steven
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