Your BMR sites or ALN sites drop?

Yes my sites have the dreaded message from google

"Google Webmaster Tools notice of unnatural links detected...please submit your site for reconsideration"

I think thousands of sites will be hit as there seems to be a serious crack down going on.

Dang, now I can't sleep =/. Been all high and mighty with BMR the past weeks too. What now? Manual blog commenting, post on directories with unique content? I can't think of anything else

Not from what I've found. I use BMR a hell of a lot and haven't seen any drops in the SERP's at all.

That's interesting, maybe the new unnatural link profile penalties are nothing to do with specific link sources and more to do with "unnatural".

1. Unrealistic link velocity?
2. Not enough generic anchors 'more' 'click here' etc?
3. Not enough URL links www.mysite.com?
4. Targeting keywords one at a time or in batches as opposed to random?
5. Building links to a set of keywords only to stop completely and move to a new set?
6. Not having a good balance of link sources?

Any other ideas?

There seems to be a bit more to it than that though Mike. BMR closing its doors to new clients, sites that use them falling, a number of public rental SEO networks reporting deindexings (Terry Kyle's the latest one I heard about this weekend - he is closing down his and is claiming that home page backlink networks that are not very private /specialized are dead).

Your own network might be insulating you or the ones you use just haven't been hit yet (I doubt this is an algo change but manual action is pretty easy). REALLY private networks that have real sites with decent content are as safe as can be but the nature of multiple links all kinds of content are all vunerable.

People won't want to hear it but the best networks going forward are going to be more expensive , not take everyone and insist on either great content or insist that they write the content themselves with their own writers. Only those and networks you run yourself are going to survive.

What other networks are there that don't allow spun content? postrunner? any others?

Dude, we're taking about this message that was sent to thousands of website owners over the weekend causing rankings to disappear overnight and by discussing our link building techniques we are taking responsibility.

Google Webmaster Tools notice of unnatural links detected

Dear Site Owner or Webmaster ofwww.yoursite.co.uk

We've detected that some of your site's pages may be using techniques that are outside Google's Webmaster Guidelines.

Specifically, look for possibly artificial or unnatural links pointing to your site that could be intended to manipulate PageRank. Examples of unnatural linking could include buying links to pass PageRank or participating in link schemes.

We encourage you to make changes to your site, so that it meets our Quality Guidelines. Once you've made these changes, please submit your site for reconsideration in Google's search results.
If you find unnatural links to your site that you are unable to control or remove, please provide the details in your reconsideration request.
If you have additional questions about how to resolve this issue, please see our Webmaster Help Forum for support.

Yours sincerely,

Google Search Quality Team

I hear what you're saying but this message was sent to my sites that had the greatest link building (my smaller sites are unaffected at the moment) and a loss of rankings coinciding with the Google Message that is costing me more than $1000 a day is enough to make me change.

Mav if you went by that logic then we wouldn't need to talk about algo changes either because every recent algo change has to do with what Google has "been trying to combat for years"

Fact is google hasn't been trying even a moderate amount to kill these networks in the past. Sure there have deindexings here and there but with a few hundred dollars to sign up, a backlink checker, and then cross checking other links on the sites Google could have slapped the living daylights out of most public services in a week or two.

Shucks even without signing up for any I could find huge chunks of a HPBL network sites in an afternoon and I don't even have as good a backlink database access as Google.

too many hpbl providers crying at the same time. Not likely to be a coincidence

I had taken a break from BMR then put up some articles about 10 days ago and noticed a modest but definite decrease in Google traffic.

It can't be that hard for Google to identify BMR sites:

1) EVERY article has one or two links to a fairly low ranking site
2) No adsense on the site
3) Lots of posts on diverse topics
4) Little relation of URL to topic
5) No comments
6) Only old inbound links; no inbound links to articles
7) No Google analytics on the site
8) All domains are registered anonymously
9) No pages such as ("about us", "contact us", etc.)
10) Never any outbound links to major news sites or the like
11) No blogroll; internal archives only
12) No affiliate links or product links
etc. etc.

With a little effort Google could come up with a nearly complete list of BMR sites and then find out who is heavily using them. I can't help but think that Google is doing this already.

Me too, yet other domains I purchased the same day and used different sources to link to are moving up in the rankings despite using BMR on them also. Lesson (for the 100th time): don't put all your eggs in one basket.

This is a long-running IM urban legend. The consensus is this: Using Google tracking tools like Webmaster Tools and Google Analytics gives Google a much clearer idea on the quality of your site. IE: CTR, AVG Time Spent on Site, etc.

So these people are saying since Google has all of that new information, they determine that your site isn't as good as Site B, which is below you so Site B should be ranked higher than you.

Better safe than sorry, I don't use Webmaster Tools and I only use Analytics on one of my sites.

I don't use Google Webmaster Tools or Analytics. Do you think this has something to do with some sites suddenly dropping?

I don't use these tools because I've heard rumors that it may not be a good idea. However, I'm pretty new to IM so I really don't know much other than what I've read in WSOs, IM blogs and on the boards.

Just go to your BMR account and look at the links right in front of your eyes. SEO Spyglass probably picks up about 10 percent of links that are published. NO backlink tool is even marginally accurate in picking up backlinks.

Web Analytics in Real Time | Clicky

Enjoy.

I use Google analytics and haven't found a problem. But if you really want to, go get yourself "getclicky"

I've noticed quite a few of the older link network blog posts disappear. Very few of my posts still exist from 2 or more weeks ago.

I think these networks are going to have to start getting a lot smarter. Personally, if I owned a network I would cap each blog to 1 post a day. I don't see how 6 - 10 posts a day on a blog can look at all natural. Also, I would sprinkle some random posts with no links into the mix. After all, a post with no links doesn't deplete the link juice of the blog. At least one link in every blog post, now THERE is a fingerprint.

Can't agree more that is just how it works :p I love when Google slap my sites because I know they'll be back with much better SERPs. Of course you need to build high quality sites and content and not crappy sites.

Did you do anything to help them back, or just leave them alone? Curious, because I might be in the same situation, although it's much more than the 30 to 90 days you are talking about.

Google better be doing it that way, that's about all the longer they penalized their own Chrome page for the same stuff they're harping on other webmasters about

From what I've hear from the owner, and from the case studies...they haven't had anything happen that would be completely out of the normal range...definitely the higher end of normal, but nothing crazy.