Google Confirms Panda 3.3 Update

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see Google Confirms Panda 3.3 Update, Plus Changes To How It Evaluates Links, Local Search Rankings & Much More

and Search quality highlights: 40 changes for February - Inside Search

credit to snakeair for the first one to post these links.


So for everyone asking why they dropped in rankings recently...this is why. Also if anyone else has more details please share, it almost sounds like they're lowering the value of backlinks.
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  • Thanks for sharing. It seems SEO just keeps changing on us all the time.
  • My sites moved up actually. And one of them that is ranking very well all of a sudden for a pretty popular key phrase is nothing more than a thin wpazon affiliate site. Gasp!
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  • My rankings have either stayed steady or improved slightly.

    As for Google lowering the value of backlinks, I don't interpret it as that. I see it more that Google are using different factors to determine the "quality" of a backlink.

    I've just finished up a blog post where I discuss what I think are the most important points of the update at:

    Key Points Of The Google Panda 3.3 Update
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  • I've seen a slight climb up the first page for my main keyword. Excellent.

    Just goes to show ... the time for quality content and real value is truly upon us. No more cheap spammy tactics!
  • Well lot of peoples site, including mine have dropped and I don't spam! Meanwhile Google has a competitor of mine on the front page that's completely blank...so while I fight to get back links and grow they sit there happily doing nothing. Glad google's updates are helping those it should...
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    • I wish you were right Jason but I feel the exact opposite actually. Looking at sites moving up thin affiliates are doing well, why? My understanding is that the game is getting geared towards variations of keywords That means spam city. I actually feel that the articlers are screwed. Now two things, for whatever reason, I get advanced info on this stuff from Indian contacts. Second, I don't know why, but I was told to look for synonyms or variations of the keyword. Yes I know how crazy advanced info from Indian contacts sound. But I use them for SEO, and they always crush the competition.
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  • It will be very interesting to see what effects this has on websites Like Ezine Articles which copped a pretty big shellacking after the original panda update.

    -Chris
  • This is why I don't rely on SEO for traffic. Google is simply too much for me.

    However, it would be hard for me to believe that quality content doesn't rule in the search engines. But based on an earlier post about synonyms - if that is true than that means good spinner softwares will come in handy right about now
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  • Just remember.... When you think you have it all figured out, the search engines will make changes that stop you dead in your tracks! When you think you are ahead of the curve, think again! Just keep working like a good business person and keep pushing backlinks and articles and social media and then do it all again and if you have good ranking you will continue to keep it and maybe move up.... If you take a week off, look for a drop in your rankings and the competition will take over.... Just my two cents............................................. ....
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  • No surprise here, keep evolving and moving forward, oh how the game keeps changing and I love it!
  • Another Panda Update! Seems that Google is quite busy to rolling out Panda New Updates, It is quite interesting to see that what will be the Future of Duplicate Content Based Article Directories!
  • My sites have inched upward the last few days so I guess I can't complain.
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    • So who here thinks that this part in particular: ...

      "Link evaluation. We often use characteristics of links to help us figure out the topic of a linked page. We have changed the way in which we evaluate links; in particular, we are turning off a method of link analysis that we used for several years. We often rearchitect or turn off parts of our scoring in order to keep our system maintainable, clean and understandable."

      ...means that they have devalued or removed altogether the effectiveness of link anchor text? That is certainly what it sounds like. Using anchor text keywords definitely gave IM'ers a leg up on traditional sites with only natural backlinks because natural backlinks are never as keyword targeted.

      So if google is truly cracking down on SEO (serp manipulation), this would make perfect sense as it will effect people who build links much more than people whos sites have only natural links (which is what G wants). Anyone else here thinking the same?
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  • My websites ranking are falling down so i think this things happen due to Google Panda updated 3.3 or something else
  • My rankings continue to all go up for every single keyword I am working on which is dozens. It seems with every update I am weeding out the competitors and just getting stronger and stronger! I love algo updates! Go Google Go!
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    • So, Can you share your strategies?..which strategies is helpful for your website ranking?..I hope you accpet my request
  • Nice! I hope quality content keeps being rewarded and low value content keeps being screened out.
  • Rolling with the punches.. The nature of SEO..
  • Guess what guys, i'm completely exhausted and frustrated. I have two options right now, to quite, sell all my adsense sites and move on to other business ventures or stick with it, count my losses and keep going. Does anyone here think they can build a very sustainable business with adsense?
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    • I think the results are regional .... personally I think its not worth monetizing using adsense
  • Its good for users but not good for SEO guys because daily Google varying the search engine algorithm so, How its possible that SEO guys maintain website ranking??
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    • Google will always value popularity, quality links, and well constructed sites. Algorithmic changes are getting better at sniffing out bad techniques, but anyone who knows anything about SEO knows to build their site on solid SEO foundations. The important thing to remember is that the game has been constantly changing for many years, and so if you want to be able to do SEO yourself you must learn how to adapt and stay one step ahead.
  • Thanks to this update my sites started to rank high for competitive keywords . I think google put a lot more weight on contextual links
  • Anyone have an idea on what we can to to restore rankings. What really frustrates me is that google does little in education webmasters on what they need to do to correct things and restore their ranking.
  • Another great update from the masters of search. Now we will have to see what other changes happens around the web.
  • Nothing has happened. All my 10 sites are at the same position and I've checked the rankings of a few competitors who use blog networks exclusively - the same. If your rankings have dropped it's because some rankings drop every day and some rise. If 20 people who experienced a ranking drop today write in a single thread it's easy to get convinced that something is happening. I'm now waiting to see a billion fiver gigs pop up saying "beat panda 3.3 with this fiverr gig!!". What sheep some people are.
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    • If i were you, i'll be on a look out as updates don't have an immediate effect but rolls out over time. I do blog networks exclusively and still got hit. Infact i've seen people who have done the right thing and still get hit. Be on the watch.
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  • Can anyone suggest how i can get my site ranking again?
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    • How bad did you get hit? Remember sometimes when there is an update things will dance around as well. Sites with good content may still get hit but will probably bounce back.

      If your using blog networks exclusively then try some other types of link building.
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    • I don't know what works for others, but I've pretty much quit chasing the latest scheme for temporary rankings. I do backlinking, but my focus is different. I now focus on writing for my visitors and competing quality-wise with my top competitors. Ideally Google wants quality sites to cater to their customers. In the end, if you do that, you'll win.
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  • Guys, why all of you're blaming Google???

    The real truth is: internet is getting massively crowded, maybe I'm competing with all of you, maybe I have more hot content and google decided to rank my site, put yourself on the other side,when you rank another site you feel good,dont you? what about the owner of the site that been outranked? he feels exactly how you guys feel right now. And please, please don't write here your site is old and there's good content on it. bla, bla,bla...

    2 reasons for your site drop:
    - Other sites have better or hotter content than yours?
    - If your site disappears, means google caught you with bad links...And yes, BMR and those tools we are using are blackhat backlinks, if we are caught, we are done.Period

    It makes me laugh how many warriors here advice we've got to go with 3-5 sites max to make money.... WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!

    You must keep building sites with hot content, if 1 or 5 sites drop, you still have 15-20 sites doing welll.

    Regards,
  • Did you see the part about YouTube videos ranking for local search results? I know how to do that hehe :-)
  • This is why the smartest strategy is to maintain a few sites for each strategy. In other words, don't put all of your eggs in one basket. I have many sites and instead of trying all strategies on each site I stick to one distinct strategy per site.

    I have sites that are autoblogs, I have some that are unique content, I have some that I only utilize direct traffic and some that I only utilize organic SEO etc. etc. This way some go up, some go down and not only does it keep my bases covered but I can gather information much easier. Think of it like a scientific control study, if you have a ton of sites that have a mix of strategies, you'll never know which is working, but if each only utilizes one strategy then you can make informed estimations about what is working and what isn't.
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  • Pretty spot-on.

    I'm always seeing posts on various forums from people who panic after their rankings drop on their one-and-only site. I'd rather have 10 sites earning $100 a month than 1 earning $1,000.
  • what is panda. and what does google have to do with it?
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    • I think the key here to remember is quality, not just in content but in your links. Blog networks can be good but if that is what your relying on oyu need to branch out more. Also remember to keep your site fresh and up to date.

      Just because your site is aged and has been dominating does not mean that it can go stagnent. fresh content with fresh links can only help.

      I saw some drops yesterday and a couple have started to recover already so time will be a big factor here.
  • I don't think google is removing the value of anchor text as some others here have suggested, anchor text always has been and will likely always be a HUGE part of their algo, it's the easiest way for them to categorize sites, the way they view links has definitely changed in their latest algo update, and way I think it has is to do with the relevance and uniqueness of surrounding content to the link and over-optimization of a link profile, so before we would say make sure less than 50% of your links don't contain the same anchor, now that number could be 20%, and deep linking has likely become more important, i.e...don't just link to your homepage.
  • Some my keywords is dancing, I think Google panda 3.3 affect them.
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  • I love these updates because it usually knocks down the poor SEO and brings my sites nowhere but up
  • I got one site ranking for #5 and #10 for two seperate keyword and pages that's gone from serps today..not even in top 1000..not deindexed though
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    • My update:

      Some of my keywords are down but not like before when they were 350 and 250...have a site with keywords that were #3 are now #15, #14, #17

      Guess I'll have to keep building links and hopefully get them back to #3.....

      Another site keywords that were #16 are down to #289 and still there...I think it's too harsh from Google...especially when the other affiliate sites which are not as good as my site are still at their places....could it be because of BMR?

      Thanks...
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    • Not much changes happened to my sites, though keywords are there in their previous positions. Other than ranking, what other changes are going to happen due to Panda effect?
    • Google is definitely placing less importance on anchor text... that's why a lot of people noticed their websites drop in ranking so massively. Are anchor texts completely worthless now? Definitely not.

      You just have to keep your anchor texts varied (realize natural back links will not always link the same keyword(s) to your URL). Also, realize that all the high PR blog networks you are part of -- Google is also quite aware of them, and that is why I avoid these networks exclusively.

      For those of you that say you need 100's of websites ... you don't need that many if you invest the amount of time you invest into hundreds into a few QUALITY websites, it will pay off much more. I also think bounce rate will have a higher role to play on SERP's (starting now and even more in the future).
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  • Hmm I seem to have gone up in $$ so I guess my traffic went up thanks to this
  • My sites have been on a steady rise after hours of editing them the past few months, so my fingers and toes are crossed on this one! =)
  • Google has openly said and advised webmasters and businesses who only rely on Search traffic shouldn't be ranking in the first place. Youtube alone gets an estimated 400 million unique visitors a month. Other video sites millions of visitors each as well monthly. Diversifying your traffic sources is key, NOT building a million sites each rely on... again Google! Plus that's what Google wants to see as well.

    Why not have Google send me 2000 visitors and the video sites ALSO send me 1000 visitors a month...?

    If you truly care about your site(s), you will not only rely on search traffic. This is the difference between people building true authority sites and people simply building sites for cash. These days doing the latter is just recipe for disaster, and Panda is just doing it's thing...
  • Which will be never.

    James Scholes
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  • Google often changes and this will effect on our sites. Some get good results but some not.
  • I believe that the content is still king for the Panda algorithm.
  • I hate pandas.
  • Not seeing anything in terms of rankings however I have got a warning this month for one of my sites about unnatural links - I have a feeling this is because I've got a handful of sites that link to the one that's got the error, I would argue this is good usability however I will go through and add a nofollow tag to the links and see if that does it.
  • Thanks for the update. Should be useful.
  • Build quality content and quality links and all this Panda stuff won't affect you.

    As obnoxious as that sounds it's the truth
  • Didn't see much change in my positions.
  • I just don't get why people are freaking out with
    this minor Panda update.

    The only thing you need to do now is diversify
    your links with unique content. That's it. No
    rocket science!
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    • Probably because its effecting their income.

      My Amazon clicks have decreased by almost 50% in the last few days. Has anyone else here seen a reduction in clicks for their Amazon sites?

      My link building is mainly social bookmarking and article marketing.
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