What I realized about all the 0-2000 in 2-3 months threads

You can fund the start up with what you make on CPA offers if you are really smart. Never invest thousands if you do not know exactly what range your profit is going to be. That by the way will never happen.... But using what you make while still working at your regular job is the smart way.

This is the cruel truth, to make money you have to spend money.

I agree with Goxbee on this one. Build a couple sites on the cheap/free using some proven strategies, and use the profit realized from those sites to invest in bigger opportunities and scale everything up.

Conversely for the beach resort our family owns here, I put the site up with standard html one year ago, I rank Number 3 on most of the terms I am interested in ranking on


this is summer here in the phils so for march april and most of may its swamped
I sometimes get one email an hour for reservations this week
one hour today I got 4 emails requesting rooms, or picnic tables

too bad that level of business doesnt maintain year round

The other problem I've found is that I can quite easily produce 10 sites and rank them, but its often not until you reach 50 sites that you find a few golden nuggets that make money. As such.. it becomes 'all in or nothing'.

I'm quite wary of all these 'i made 2000 in 3 months' threads.. they get loads of attention due to the nature of the forum, but I reckon they're just list building, or building up to a WSO.


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$500 will get you started building adsense sites too...

You may have to spend a little money but I've found you can spend less money and devote more time into it and do better.

For the cost of a domain name, autoresponder, and hosting account, I started building lists and made my first money in a few days and grew it from there. It has been 5 months now and I am making what most people would probably consider a living.

If you are going after getting your traffic on search engines, then picking a profitable niche and keyword are an essential first step.

If you have other ways of getting traffic (which many including myself have posted on this forum many times) then it is important to get a profitable niche.

It is that beginning step where I see a lot of newbies fail. The same amount of work in an easier niche can make money faster and with the same or less amount of work.

Those few posts that describe how those people did it is by no means an indication of how everyone is doing it.

There is a ton of free information on this forum on how to make money with little upfront costs. Pick one or create your own and get started.

It may take work but it all does.

With all respect if you are going to do this properly you need to look at it as starting up a business not trying to make some money. Starting a business and running it will inevitably cost you money.

You are not going to get very far with little to invest upfront. You will have to grind it out, one site at a time, writing everything yourself manually and back linking yourself manually. Your money investment will be low but so will your return on investment.

These guys claiming thousands of dollars a month have not found a magic trick to make money flow into their bank accounts, they have invested in their businesses, grown them and are seeing a return on that investment. It's not a secret that it has cost them money to make the figures they claim, it is naive to think otherwise, that's the way things work.

As others have said you really need money to make money when it comes to the big numbers. It can be done if you put your time into it instead. Avoid falling into the trap of browsing these and other forums looking for the secret, wasting your valuable time and actually put the time to use making your sites and back linking your way to your first income. Put that back into the business and grow from there.

Good post. It's good for IM newbies to realize that very point. It's threads like that that get so many people discouraged from IM right off the bat. They'll start halfway, get no results and then look back at that thread and be like, "What the crap? I did everything you said and I'm not in debt rather than making $5,000/mo."

You still need traffic ? Eyeballs on offers man. Does it fall out of the sky?

As marketers we can either engage brain or open wallet. Ive spent a fortune in time chasing down adsense riches ... as well as themes, outsourcers, links , software, content ... its been crazy investment when all told.

However; the notion of clicks = $ is just too attractive.

If you've every sold affiliate products and / or your own - conversions is a mofo too.

Look if 1 guy can make $300-500 a "DAY" with Adsense - so can you. I can assure you there are regular joes doing it who struggled too. Its hard man. All things worth doing are ... at first.

Lose the scarcity mindset get to work and pick some good niches and get some damn content and rank it. Eyeballs on offers ...

1. no employees
2. next to no overhead
3. build and work on in spare time
4. no limits

Checks from Google will make you smile - at any size, but bigger is always better in this context.

yes, it requires money to make money. nothing is new here.

ha ha, good point. With enough money, anyone can get $2000 a month... with a bank account.

I am not saying its too much money , or that it doesnt take money to make money. I am saying MOST of these threads kind of brush the money invested part to the side and they focus on I MAKE 2000 A MONTH WITH ADSENSE AFTER 3 MONTHS (forgot to say it cost me thousands to get there)

Most newbies are not aware of the costs involved. That is why I posted this thread

First I'm not knocking this thread, it's a good subject to talk about IMO.

Now then, I know you can get larger returns (faster) from investing money upfront. I also know for a fact that you can start with literally zero dollars & build up your IM income.

IMO, it's 100% smarter to start with nothing, no money, nothing!

Hear me out...

When you start with no upfront money, you have nothing to lose, you can take risk that you would be hesitant to take when your spending money. Who cares If you fail on your first few sites, didn't cost you anything more than your time.

Take advantage of free tools, including free hosting for your first few sites, test the hell out of what you think will work. If the site looks like crap, so what, didn't cost you a penny!

You can take every single Warrior forum thread, comment, WSO, whatever & none of it matters more than targeted traffic, the most basic necessity of IM is targeted traffic, everything else is just little details here & there.

In the words of Metallica - Nothing Else Matters!

I know what thread he is referring to.

The thing is, now that is he bringing in $2,000 he can reinvest it into more sites. Lets say he takes 50% and reinvests it. That is $1000, which will make him 20 sites. And with his current income average per site, that will give him at least another $600 increase in his income.

Hell, just do that, take $1000 from the profits, reinvest, and do that for a year. You will then have an income of about $7200. Actually, that is an increase in $7200 from his current income. That is no too shabby really.

So in essence, after he starts to bring money in, he doesn't have to use his "OWN" money again, he uses "Google's money".

And for starters, he even mentioned that he didn't start with his own money. He got some money from the bank, and then used that to reinvest. I personally wouldn't have done that unless I was already making money and just wanted to expand quicker.

But yes, like Yukon said, you can start from almost nothing. It just takes a hosting account, and a domain name and you are in business.

There were plenty of guides out there that showed systems on using free websites to make an income. I know that the Bum marketing Method was one of them. And Potpiegirl has a guide that mentioned using free sites to test out markets.

There are quite a few people who have made some good money from squidoo. Hell, even I get some money from squidoo every month.

Yes, he used money to speed up his process. But all he was doing was telling people that it could be done. He would have still done it even if he hadn't invested so much money into it at first, it would have just taken him longer.

I am testing out several methods that start off using just money for domains and hosting to create a sizable income with. Each method takes about 90 days. Each of them uses a different way, so it should be interesting what I find out. I will be testing 4 different methods over the next year actually.

The ONLY way people can make money online is to take ACTION and lots of it. You can only learn so much before you need to take action with that knowledge.

Knowledge that isn't used is knowledge that is wasted. People who have the knowledge to take action but do not, do not deserve the knowledge they possess.

So get to work, ALL OF YOU!!

-- Jeff

Which board would amazon affiliates fall under? CPA?

First of all don't believe anyone on here. Second, see if they have agenda..hint, signature. 3rd don't believe anyone.

Time=Money so you need to invest one of them into your business to get it off the ground.

You could write articles yourself and manually promote your sites and it would only cost you the price of domains + hosting. This of course means you will be spending all your time writing content when you could be doing something else.

I find you should focus on what you are good at and outsource the rest if you have the money for it. If you don't have the money then just focus on one site at a time and build them up.

I agree, manual work is SEO friendly and it doesn't cost you instead of your time.

I do believe what the people who post the success threads, their numbers are correct

They all seem to follow a similar pattern of earnings and timeline.

Well, most people started out on the cheap, doing EVERYTHING themselves. However, once you have a few successes and learn what works you have the opportunity to either carry on like that, grinding it out yourself, or start investing the money back in. I kind of assume that part when I read a success thread like that, but I suppose it could be misleading to newbies. But you have to quickly get into that business mindset anyway, or probably IM is not for you.

50 sites at roughly $50 per site...so a budget of $2500...sounds just like my plan

Well that's pretty much the hard truth to it in my opinion. If you want to make a lot of money fast, you're going to need some capital. If you want to make money without spending much, it's gonna take you a lot of man hours - and I mean a LOT! All the money spent goes into tools that save you time, and outsourced workers that save you time.

To build 50 sites, i'll need about 600+ "Work hours" - and that's using all the best tools I know of! There's no way I can work that many hours in one month on my own...so the solution = outsource.

Outwest, i'm a noob too, only started seriously considering IM a few months ago. I have approx 5 sites, all of which are less than a couple of months old.
If i were to reach number 1 on G for their respective keywords the results would be this -

Site 1 - 250,00 visitors per month, cpc approx 1 dollar
Site 2 - 18,000 visitors per month, cpc between 50 cent & 1 dollar
Site 3 - 6000 visitors per month, cpc approx 1 dollar
Site 4 - 800 visitors per month, cpc approx 50 cent
Site 5 - as above

Sites 1,2 & 3 are going to be very difficult to rank for short term as the competition is high, however i'm planning on having these 3 as authority sites so thats ok, plus they're ll things i am interested in so i don't mind working on them. They are also completely unrelated so if i get bored of working on one site i simply move to another, a change is as good as a break .

Sites 4 and 5 however are low competition. They are also action based ie buyxxxxxx.com, purchasexxxxx.com, xxxxxxforsale.com etc.
Also the the product in the domain name is fairly expensive, ranging from just under 100 dollars up to 500 dollars so when someone buys something through my amazon link i get a decent commission. One of the sites is currently on page 2 in G and the other is on page 1 position 7 and slowly moving up every week or so, this is all with virtually no back linking, no paid software and no "i'll help you get to the top of G in a week" products, just on page SEO keyword finding and tweaking. Based on my analytics data i've started to receive traffic which is my EMD and also my main keyword so hopefully i'll start making some amazon sales soon . Once site 4 and 5 have found a decent position in G i think i'll start making some more small niche sites to get me through while i work on the larger sites. I hope i'm making sense to you, as i said i'm a noob too and i'm not completely sure what i'm talking about yet .
I think the major difference to doing it that way ^^ and spending some dollars is that it takes a lot longer. Unfortunately i'm unemployed at the moment so one thing i have is time, i'll just keep on going and see what happens.

If you don't have the capital why not go a cheaper route and purchase the tools you need to get it done, rather than thinking you have to outsource?

Ie, Paying $70 for AMR rather than $20 every time you want sometime to run a service for you.

Ie, Paying $5-10/500 word article when you can write it yourself in 30 mins?

If you want to be successful there's always a way around every obstacle.

Personally I dont' like CPA so I removed that part from the quote, but you are 100% right. It's very easy to make a monthly income with micro niche sites but it does require quite a bit of investing yes.

I have a few standard things to add that are very relevant to IM:

- Time is money
- Money makes money
- Learn from the mistakes from others
- No guts, no glory
- Doing is the best practise

If you have the money, spent the money, don't waste your time on slow/free methods, you only live once.

Exactly my thinking. If you weigh in the return you get after starting up just one site. You can easily multiply that effort by 2-3 fold just using the income that single site of yours is generating. And this in my opinion is the key to getting started on building your Internet Empire.

I did buy Market Samurai, IMO the best investment I have made so far. was 97bucks,
without that IMO I am lost on kw research

I reduce my cost by developing the contents myself. And also do my KW research(I dont beleive anyone except me for this...LOL) I outsource the boring backlinking works to VAs...

All I have to say is all the people had to start somewhere, most likely at the bottom and work their way up!

You can try making a few bucks on Fiverr to fund your startup, they've already done half of the equation for you, send hungry buyers to your offer

While Outwest is a bit grumpy, he brings up some good points, I think:

1. Scaling it's not cheap - Anyone creating a bunch of these niche sites with a manual process is spending a good amount of money to get there. We were in (I think) about 10K before we started to see a return. While I did start off creating the sites myself, I quickly shifted it to some of our agents as it would have been a huge waste of my time. We did this BEFORE we'd proved the model...putting ourselves at much risk.

2. If you continue production at a high level, you're taking a big risk - It might take us 2-4 months to realize something wasn't right with our sites, our process, etc. Even right now...if something were to get screwed up...it might be hard to catch it until we'd blown quite a bit on the niche sites we were creating. While the rewards are fairly high at scale...the risks are larger as well.

3. It ain't easy and it's lots of work - I see some people talking about earnings that we think are a bit aggressive for their estimates and Outwest has called them out on it. While there are DEFINITELY those who can create $90/month sites like clockwork...I think it would be QUITE difficult to do on a $50/site budget. I can't say for sure...but I know that it doesn't happen for us.

4. Outsourcing is a skillset - We're lucky in that our MAIN job has been running our outsourcing company from the Philippines! Many that are running strong, legitimate businesses online still don't know the first thing about working with offshore agents...not to mention all of the new people who just want to "outsourcing everything" because of a book they read or video they watched. It doesn't exactly work that way...quite a learning curve here.

Outwest - You seen a bit skeptical and/or frustrated with this part of IM. You're in Manila, right? You have an open invitation to come down to Davao, hang out with us, review our process, and see what you think about what we're doing.

Is our process sustainable? Will we ultimately take a huge hit/fall? I really don't know. We hope we can continue, but it wouldn't be our first failure...we have some experience there! hehe Doing our best to figure it out, keep our doors open, and make some money in the process.

Justin thanks for the offer may take you up on it if I can ever drag my wife and 3 kids away from the resort in batangas

My CPA mentor lives now in Mindanao

LOL i trust the banca boats way more than those ferrys, You could not pay me to get on one, Thanks for the video
just watch the guys who grab your bags

Like I've said, its a business...gotta look at it like a job and businesses have overhead. Its just the nature of things.

No there are no resorts in Manila
Its in Batangas, Just the family runs it yes

The area is close to Taal Volcano and Tagaytay, so the beach is black sand
gotta love it

Ok. I have to disagreed. I made $10,000+ with Adsense in 11 months then flipped my network for $11,500. I only bought a seo link building service once I had money from adsense. The only thing I paid for was hosting... I did outsource content later but for $2 an article. You just have to know where to look.... like fiverr. Fiverr is great.

Anyways. I was successful because I ranked quickly. Why? My keyword research. Which is a secret... ish... I am going to post it in my own thread documenting my journey.

But I will say one thing to agree with you. Because I didn't spend a ton of money to make it happen, it cost me time. I put it A LOT of work. Building one Adsense niche site doesn't take to much work... but building 50 TOOK EFFORT. I might be crazy but I saved cash.

I do sell that correct. But what I said is true and if you read what I said I wrote in all caps " A LOT OF WORK" and " TOOK EFFORT"... I'm not pitching an over night solution here. I just have the drive to build site after site and do all the work from the ground up. It paid off. Believe me or not, I don't care. But if you wan't to make money with Adsense and NOT PAY then you are going to have to live in front of your computer screen day and night.

You need to spend money to gain money. You also need to realize it is important to tackle your websites as a business. But the truth is, you can also earn earn more than $3000 from one website.

The thing to remember with most business's is if you break even in the first year your doing well. Online we have a massive advantage (I believe) than offline business's.

Where else can you get your money back in 3 months and start turning a profit.

It's a lot easyier to make money online when you treat it like a business and invest the amount of money and time that's required.

It's like the saying "money makes money" and it's totally true. It took me almost a year to get above the £100 a day mark. Now instead of just creating one niche site I will create 25 or 50 or 100.

The things that are missed out of these threads is "How i made $3,000 to invest into my 50 adsense sites to make $2,000 a month" Lol

Adsense Flippers sell for 20x to 25x, because people have trust in them.

It's true most of the time you need to invest to earn more from adsense.But the problem is your keyword research methods.Once you find the right keyword,You'll easily hit your target.

You do know that Carl openly posts that he spends around $50 per site right?
He doesn't hide anything from anybody.

I use his same EXACT method and only spend $14 per site. $9 for domain and $5 for the fiverr gig.

That's $700 for 50 sites, over a few months time. You don't need to start off with that much, but even then, it isn't impossibly hard to come up with that much money over 3 months time.

I don't pay for content because I don't have the money to pay for content. Instead of moaning and complaining on the forums I sit down and write. You don't need to be an expert on the niche, you just need to voice your opinion on the niche.

Also, I don't know why your having trouble finding niches. I find new niches like nobody's business. It's all a matter of doing, and not complaining.

So let's look at my expenses:

I make 15 sites per month at $14 each. (I don't need to make any more than this, I'm not trying to get rich quick here)

Plus $67 for UAW

Plus $10 a month for hosting.
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= $287 per month

That's not so bad is it?

In two years I'll have 360 sites making at MINIMUM an average of $10 per site per month.

That will put me at base minimum of 3,600 a month in only two years. I'll be getting paid that entire time leading up to it.

Like any business, you have to put time and money into it vbefore you can pull money out of it. There ain't no free lunch.

"You need to spend money to make money" is the single worst advice I ever see promoted as gospel.

No you don't. You need to make money. There are tons of ways you can 'get around' spending a ton of money to accomplish the same task.

But what if the 100s of sites you build after 2 yrs for the 3600/month income, your acct gets banned with adsense? you are sht out of luck then since its impossible to monetize these sites with other revenue

why put yourself as a target like that, all your income can be taken away in 20 seconds by google