Perennial "What SEO Routine Really Works" Question

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I know this has been asked before in many threads, but after trying many backlinking services and self-run SEO routines, we find ourselves back up against the question of "What's the best complete SEO routine to follow to "guarantee" pg 1 rankings that get there quickly and stay there."

Seems many services that promise stellar results actually don't produce much SERP movement, and even DIY solutions like doing exhausting work with SENukeX AND follow-up 2nd-tier backlinks-to-your-backlinks, often do not produce hard-won results.

Just to clarify: we're starting with 3-6 month old, well-laid-out affiliate sites, with meticulously-chosen keywords, search volume and competition-wise, and well-executed on-page optimization.

Like others, we've tried LOTs of backlinking services, some which focus mostly on (supposedly) high PR blog networks, some which throw in "x" number of blog comments, social signals, and Web2.0s...mostly with disappointing results.

Either our pages never move much in the SERPS, or they shoot up to page 1 or 2 quickly, with tons of backlinks, then 2-4 weeks later, they drop like Newt Gingrich's approval rating after a sex scandal, to a very low position, and all the backlinks seem to disappear (Matt LaCLear's service was a good example of the latter.)

Sometimes it feels like we're playing a game with all these different backlinking services and Asian VAs, where they promise great ranking just from their service, then later say things like, "Well your site was too new, you gotta give it 8-12 months," or "Well it's the Google dance," or "Well you gotta compliment our service by generating a lot of your own links & tiers, or it doesn't work."

Meantime, all we want is to get our well-researched pages on pg 1, in about 6 months max, 2-3 months much better, and have them stay there. We're hard workers, and won't shy away from a daily or weekly routine that requires much hands-on labor, just as long as it works, reliably, just about every time, without 99 different components & tiers to manage and hundreds of little complications that could blow the whole thing if you don't pick up every stitch.

So if you're someone who really knows how to do this, streamlined & true, and you're not just promoting your own service, we'd love your best response...thanks everybody
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  • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
    Originally Posted by Seth Stewart View Post


    Either our pages never move much in the SERPS, or they shoot up to page 1 or 2 quickly, with tons of backlinks, then 2-4 weeks later, they drop like Newt Gingrich's approval rating after a sex scandal, to a very low position, and all the backlinks seem to disappear
    Actually that may help answer your question. In context links really work particularly if they are from high PR/authority pages. One of the reasons you may see a drop off is because the links roll off the pages where Google can find them as more people add their links after you on those pages. IF you can find networks where the pages don't roll off and that are controlled for quality so that google does not zap the site for selling links then you will see lasting effect. Thats also the case if you can exchange links with another site where it won't roll off or do some guest blogging.
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  • Profile picture of the author mattlaclear
    Our links disappear from our blog networks? That's news to me. Why am I always the last one to find out about these things?

    That would take a lot of work on our end to delete links we already placed. In fact it would take 25 times the amount of labor to do that than it did to place the links in the first place.
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    • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
      I think he was simply referring to them not staying indexed. Pages fall out of Google's index all the time. I don't think he was implying that you guys were physically removing posts or links from your network.
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      • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
        Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

        I think he was simply referring to them not staying indexed. Pages fall out of Google's index all the time. I don't think he was implying that you guys were physically removing posts or links from your network.

        Yeah Its kind of inevitable with alot of networks not singling out Matt's. The links continue to roll away from the front page and at some point google drops them from their index. No network owner really bothers with deleting links - they don't have to - the value is going to tend toward nil after anyway.

        With thw unnatural link warning and penalty that might even be a good thing since as long as the link stay indexed it will make it nearly impossible to win a reconsideration request.
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        • Profile picture of the author Mantasmo
          Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

          Yeah Its kind of inevitable with alot of networks not singling out Matt's. The links continue to roll away from the front page and at some point google drops them from their index. No network owner really bothers with deleting links - they don't have to - the value is going to tend toward nil after anyway.

          With thw unnatural link warning and penalty that might even be a good thing since as long as the link stay indexed it will make it nearly impossible to win a reconsideration request.
          Got to be some weak ass blogs if inner pages get de-indexed so easily. :rolleyes:

          I think you're right about the penalty/de-indexing thing. Like with ALN blasts - lots of people get auto penalized for those, but over 1-2 months all of the blogs get de-indexed and the sites come back up. I really think that this design works well for Google. Go after the source of the problem and let the algorithm figure out the rest.
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  • Profile picture of the author cheapstuff
    So you are saying you are ranking a website which does or does not have a blog? Sounds to me like you have a blog updated with unique and well written content.

    Fact is you do not need to utilize crazy backlinking services or guest post on pages that will push you off the high PR page within a short amount of time.

    I would focus on building highish PR backlinks for yourself by utilizing Hubpages and Squidoo to name a couple of web2.0 pages. If you do it right these pages can pass SEO juice and PR to your website quickly. The key is to get your posts on these pages featured somewhere in the categories so they may pass their PR to your hub or lense, then you pass that to your site in the form of a dofollow contextual backlink for your keyword. Seems to stick well for me.

    Another thing is utilizing technorati and zimbio for deep linking to your articles on your blog. Just make sure you manually submit to zimbio.

    These are just a couple of techniques I use that seem to work well and hit harder than the rest although I use them alongside many other SEO techniques but they seem like the most beneficial.
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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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    It's not normal for an internal page to be de-indexed just because the link rolls off the Index page, actually that's very unlikely to happen.

    Most blogs link from the Index page to the internal page when the backlink/article is first submitted, so Google knows about the internal pages URL & should index that internal page long before the backlink/article rolls off the Index page.

    I've never understood why people have such a problem with getting pages indexed, let alone keeping a page indexed in the SERPs. What the H are you guys doing, lol?
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    • Profile picture of the author Mantasmo
      Originally Posted by yukon View Post

      I've never understood why people have such a problem with getting pages indexed, let alone keeping a page indexed in the SERPs. What the H are you guys doing, lol?
      Yea, hence my previous comment, lulz.

      Networks like ALN lose blogs left and right because the use spun garbage for content, post loads of posts every day and are set up poorly. Basically, people buy up cheap PR2 domains, slap WP on them and add them to ALN. That's it.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by yukon View Post

      It's not normal for an internal page to be de-indexed just because the link rolls off the Index page, actually that's very unlikely to happen.
      Well yes and no. Technically you are right - being Deindexed is different than just not appearing in the search results at all but pages do fall out of Google's index without a penalty. and I think some people are calling that deindexing. Its the same as if you take down your site -after awhile of google not finding it it won't show it anymore in the results.
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