7Search - My Experience

by Insite
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Hello Warriors.

After reading about 7search here and on other forums, I decided to give it a try. Here is what I found...

I made three deposits over about three weeks.
Several campaigns were created to promote affiliate offers and email/zip offers.

Did I make any sales?
Yes.
Did I make money?
No.

I made one new sale returning $12 from $75 worth of clicks.

Okay, I can hear everyone saying optimize, block, scale up the good keywords, etc. and that is what I expected to do. But here are the problems.

1) Most traffic is suspicious! I had 78% of traffic without javascript enabled. And almost all of that traffic without javascript enabled was from a single source with unlimited resource ID's. They sent traffic on almost every common keyword in every campaign using many resource ID's making it too much work to manually block every RID for that source.

2) Blocking traffic is not a function that is provided outright. You have to discover that you can block, usually by reading someones blog about it (thanks Luke Peerfly).

3) Blocking only works for resource ID's (###RID###). When resource ID's are unlimited or appear to be generated automatically, then there is no stopping the source because you cannot block the affid. Blocking the affid still sends traffic from that source. Domain blocking is not available.

4) Support (by chat) are reluctant to block a domain for you and I didn't get this domain blocked after conversing with support staff.

My overall opinion of 7search is that it would be a good service provided that there is adequate means to remove the bad clicks and sources that are of no value. When 7search develops a platform that enables us to do that, then it might be worth funding a campaign or two. But their traffic quality is currently a mixed bag of good traffic and what I suspect to be automated bot traffic. Eventually you'll get conversions and identify good keywords. But you will still have an effort to remove traffic sources who can still send bad traffic using any of their multitude of resource ID's. You can block each one as they arise, but who has time for that.

My suggestion to 7search:-
Rather than provide us with blocking, why not provide us with the ability to optimize our campaigns by using our own whitelist. We could select the sources that can provide traffic on the keywords that pay instead of the current system where we eliminate keywords and sources that haven't converted yet. It would be better for advertisers, and probably help reduce click fraud because the sources that fail to perform will not be selected for any ongoing campaign (sources that are blocked can still provide traffic using another resource id under the current system).

Finally, Would I recommend 7Search to a friend?
Yes I would, providing they were able to track all clicks, and evaluated browser function and http headers for each click. If you just track clicks alone, you'll miss the ones that do not belong to a browser or otherwise get flagged as suspicious. And I would say that 7search is probably not the best traffic source for newbies who cannot afford to lose money during the discovery period (finding sources that pay).

Last Comment:-
I haven't used 7search for long and maybe it hasn't always been this way. It would be interesting to hear from newbies who started out with 7search recently and also from those with existing optimized campaigns, just for comparison.
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  • Profile picture of the author cheapstuff
    I bought $50 worth of PPC from them and received $100 but have yet to use it. Already pot committed though so I will give it a shot and let you know how it works. Maybe it was just your industry that was having issues on it. After all it is not exactly the best ad network to display on, a lot of visitors will be on old computers and may just be browsing.
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    • Profile picture of the author Insite
      @Cheapstuff,
      Good luck with your campaign. Hope you see some good results.
      I don't think industry had much to do with it. My campaigns covered a range of industry/niche types - cpa offers for phones and gadgets, affiliate offers for job recruitment, psychics, and even an adult whitelabel. It was the adult site that got the sale.
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      • Profile picture of the author Insite
        @jdooley13,
        I'm a bit of a slow starter.... been in affiliate marketing full-time for 5 years and only just heard of 7search recently. Wish I'd known of them back then.
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  • Profile picture of the author jdooley13
    5 Years ago they were the big money making PPC secret. I made a lot of money using them (well a lot for me). Now, every affilaite in the world uses them and the value just is not there.
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  • Profile picture of the author LukePeerFly
    Great information.

    1) Most traffic is suspicious! I had 78% of traffic without javascript enabled. And almost all of that traffic without javascript enabled was from a single source with unlimited resource ID's. They sent traffic on almost every common keyword in every campaign using many resource ID's making it too much work to manually block every RID for that source.
    Interesting find on the JavaScript. I haven't tested that myself, but that could definitely be an issue. If anything, it needs to be recognized when pushing them to your own landing page.

    With my campaigns, although I typically see quite a bit of traffic spread throughout many affid and rid combinations, I'll usually see A LOT of traffic from specific affid-rids (single sources). Those usually will convert or not convert and that's how I base the decision to blacklist.

    2) Blocking traffic is not a function that is provided outright. You have to discover that you can block, usually by reading someones blog about it (thanks Luke Peerfly).
    I agree that it would be beneficial as an advertiser to have this feature on by default, but from the point of view of 7Search they want you to pay for the most clicks possible

    BTW, for those wondering, the post on how to setup blacklisting on your account is available at:
    Blacklisting Bad Performing SubIDs on 7Search

    3) Blocking only works for resource ID's (###RID###). When resource ID's are unlimited or appear to be generated automatically, then there is no stopping the source because you cannot block the affid. Blocking the affid still sends traffic from that source. Domain blocking is not available.
    You have to block the combination (affid-rid). Again, from 7Search's point of view, they want you paying for the traffic

    4) Support (by chat) are reluctant to block a domain for you and I didn't get this domain blocked after conversing with support staff.
    This is something they are not allowed to do from what I understand. However, you have to admit, the 7Search support is great (even though they wouldn't do this for you).

    Call me a 7Search fan boy, but I've had a great experience with them so far. Brad from 7Search is a great guy and overall I have been getting a ton of great feedback from my publishers. Not everything is going to convert and you'll probably spend some money on a campaign before you find some winners, but the barrier of entry is low and the traffic is cheap. That can't be said for most traffic sources these days.
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    • Profile picture of the author Insite
      Hi Luke, thanks for responding.

      I do think 7search has some good traffic in there and the fact that we are able to get sales/conversions proves that. My point was that there is also a large amount of bad traffic and without proper tracking it would go undetected. Removing the bots would undoubtedly lower your spend per conversion so its good to be aware of this.

      Regarding the blocking thing. Well I gave up and just scripted a wee database dump of the RID codes, and prefixing the affid with dash to each code. Copy n paste to the blocking form and now they're blocked. Would never be able to do it all manually. And with any luck, I won't use up the 5000 limit for blocking.

      I've funded my campaigns once again, and after blocking all those sources, I'd hope that the conversion rate climbs to a viable level.
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      • Profile picture of the author LukePeerFly
        Originally Posted by Insite View Post

        Hi Luke, thanks for responding.

        I do think 7search has some good traffic in there and the fact that we are able to get sales/conversions proves that. My point was that there is also a large amount of bad traffic and without proper tracking it would go undetected. Removing the bots would undoubtedly lower your spend per conversion so its good to be aware of this.

        Regarding the blocking thing. Well I gave up and just scripted a wee database dump of the RID codes, and prefixing the affid with dash to each code. Copy n paste to the blocking form and now they're blocked. Would never be able to do it all manually. And with any luck, I won't use up the 5000 limit for blocking.

        I've funded my campaigns once again, and after blocking all those sources, I'd hope that the conversion rate climbs to a viable level.
        Awesome. If you're interested in sharing your script I'd love to take a look. I was thinking of making something similar by allowing publishers to download their CSV report from PeerFly and import it into my script. Haven't had time to mess with it.

        Also, please keep us up to date on your campaigns!
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    This should be on CPA forum
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  • Profile picture of the author EdCanape
    i used 7search a year ago on a cpa offer, i spend 70 to 100 USD a day and i earned $180 to 250.. but it only last for 3 freaking months ... after 3 months i am getting MORE CLICKS , BUT NO SALES... i dont know what the hell happens, so stopped it...
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    • Profile picture of the author LukePeerFly
      Originally Posted by EdCanape View Post

      i used 7search a year ago on a cpa offer, i spend 70 to 100 USD a day and i earned $180 to 250.. but it only last for 3 freaking months ... after 3 months i am getting MORE CLICKS , BUT NO SALES... i dont know what the hell happens, so stopped it...
      Sounds like you should have gotten in touch with 7Search to see what happened. They support is great and I bet you could come up with a solution to the issue.
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  • Profile picture of the author Frank55
    Read a lot in terms of the bad traffic from 7Search. But why 7Search cannot work on reducing those fake or bot clicks (remove/ban those websites) so as to improve the quality of the clicks ? Instead of the advertisers paying for those useless clicks and 7Search earning the money ? But if 7Search can improve the quality of the clicks, they may get even more advertisers on their network. Meaning more business for them !
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    • Profile picture of the author leonidas32
      So I made a $125 deposit into 7search after reading PPC Quake (seemed like a legit idea, and hell of alot cheaper than Adwords or adCenter).

      I was getting plenty of clicks in 7search, especially under "weight loss" and "watch online", even when ranked at #7 or 8.

      I experimented with ad copy (even included the price in the description to minimize non-spenders), and was still attaining clicks, yet no sales.

      Reading this thread, I thought perhaps a security feature was needed.

      Also, their "7Search Affiliate Program Rules and Guidelines" for "Traffic Quality" mention how you can refund 'suspicious' traffic, or traffic that does not stay on your site for more than 20 seconds (typically crawlers/bots).


      So:

      1. I decided to convert one of my domains: aanlyn*com into a wordpress-based security firewall redirect.

      2. Changed the name-servers with CloudFlare, and set the security to 'medium'

      3. Installed the 'Wordfence Security' plugin, and enabled the firewall.

      3. Installed the 'affiliate link cloaking' plugin, and all product/offer links are now redirected through this.

      4. This method also allows for google analytics tracking.

      Sidenote: Tracking sales using Tracking ID's for keywords will have to wait until I make a sale, and analyze the traffic.

      This is a case study, will see if it works.

      Cheers.
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  • Profile picture of the author Anton543
    How do bots get into the 7Search system when they don't into Adwords and Adcenter? Isn't this something 7Search should deal with instead of waste peoples money on clicks that do not have any chance of conversions as those clicks are generated bots?
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