No More Homepage Links For BMR

by dp40oz
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As the title states. My take is it will severely reduce the effectiveness of their network, hence killing their reputation. I have a $100 a month plan, I think i'll stick it out this month and see, but I think this is a terrible move. A way more logical move would be to stop giving the option to see your post URL so easily. Thoughts, opinions...
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  • Profile picture of the author nik0
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    I use high PR society right from the beginning and they offered home page links right from the beginning as well. It seems they are the least affected of all blog networks cause I'm still getting great results and haven't seen any drops in rankings.

    So I see no reason why it would affect BMR in a negative way.
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  • Profile picture of the author boxoun
    Makes no sense. Why not just close up shop?
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  • Profile picture of the author JeanneLynn
    Originally Posted by dp40oz View Post

    As the title states. My take is it will severely reduce the effectiveness of their network, hence killing their reputation. I have a $100 a month plan, I think i'll stick it out this month and see, but I think this is a terrible move. A way more logical move would be to stop giving the option to see your post URL so easily. Thoughts, opinions...
    Is this just a temporary thing because they are trying to be discreet with Google? Will BMR still be effective if you don't have any homepage links anymore?

    I haven't received any emails from BMR regarding this change. I also checked their blog. It doesn't mention anything so I'm thinking that it may be a temporary thing or even a software glitch.
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    • Profile picture of the author technog33k
      Originally Posted by JeanneLynn View Post

      Is this just a temporary thing because they are trying to be discreet with Google? Will BMR still be effective if you don't have any homepage links anymore?

      I haven't received any emails from BMR regarding this change. I also checked their blog. It doesn't mention anything so I'm thinking that it may be a temporary thing or even a software glitch.
      I have just checked and noticed that there seems to be no links from the homepages either. Something strange going on there. There is no way the links are going to be effective if they are not coming from the page with the actual PR, especially for the amount of time it takes to create a unique blogpost and have it appear on a PR N/A inner page.. It is more than just a software glitch as I have just checked multiple pages and they are all the same.. Has anyone received any communications from BMR explaining this?
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  • Profile picture of the author boxoun
    Lol. They really think that will be a successful business model? Maybe they are just being cautious for now. I'll be canceling next month.
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  • Profile picture of the author Berkinb
    I noticed the same thing; I opened up a ticket and am waiting for their response.

    As it stands, this approach completely defies the logic behind a High PR network. Spending $1 a link on a PR0/NA page is definitely not a good investment. I am curious how BMR will defend their decision but it is very likely that my membership will come to an end before the next billing date if this stands!
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    • Profile picture of the author technog33k
      Originally Posted by Berkinb View Post

      I noticed the same thing; I opened up a ticket and am waiting for their response.

      As it stands, this approach completely defies the logic behind a High PR network. Spending $1 a link on a PR0/NA page is definitely not a good investment. I am curious how BMR will defend their decision but it is very likely that my membership will come to an end before the next billing date if this stands!
      I have received a response to the support query I sent them that basically says that the performance that we have seen isn't from the post being on the homepage but is due the the link juice that flows through the entire site so having the link on the homepage is not important. Unfortunately though if there was a reasonable amount of juice flowing through the site we would see our post pages having a PR higher than 0 especially for posts that are 6 months or older. It also states that the move has been made to preserve their network which essentially means they have disabled the feature that actually gets us the ranking performance we have been seeing from them..

      I think many people will find it very hard to justify the effort it takes to create unique content that is filtered by their editors to never actually see our posts hit pages with any decent PR.
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      • Profile picture of the author Berkinb
        Thank you for the info mate; I was expecting something similar to what you have got

        Unfortunately, such a logic will not cut it. Almost any other link we create (bookmarking, article marketing, etc.) ends up on sites with high PR and we all know the difference between the PR of the actual page linking to our sites and the PR of the home page.

        Sadly the bells are tolling for BMR... Well, it was good as long as it lasted I guess Let us pack up and move on.

        Originally Posted by technog33k View Post

        I have received a response to the support query I sent them that basically says that the performance that we have seen isn't from the post being on the homepage but is due the the link juice that flows through the entire site so having the link on the homepage is not important. Unfortunately though if there was a reasonable amount of juice flowing through the site we would see our post pages having a PR higher than 0 especially for posts that are 6 months or older. It also states that the move has been made to preserve their network which essentially means they have disabled the feature that actually gets us the ranking performance we have been seeing from them..

        I think many people will find it very hard to justify the effort it takes to create unique content that is filtered by their editors to never actually see our posts hit pages with any decent PR.
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  • Profile picture of the author pdrs
    ahhh what a shame, I just checked and mind are all like this as well. I've been with them for over a year now and have spent tons on having links created, they were truly the best service I've ever used but I won't be sticking with them if this is the case, it's just too easy to get links like this for far cheaper.
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    • Profile picture of the author Architex
      They are done. They actually had the nerve to tell me it is the link on the blog and not the one on the home page that carries the weight. Yeah, I do not think so. I will be cancelling my subscription after this month is up. And if ppl think this is a quirk and they will change back here is their response to my support tickets. Their responses are in bold.


      I noticed on the recent posts that have gone live there are no active links on the home page but they are active on the actual post page. This is not the way it has been in the past. Is this going to be the way BMR does the posts from now on? This is a major issue since all of the links will be on inner pages with no PR.


      Hi XXXXX, BMR is not a HPBL network and never has been. Any PR benefit your posts get from being on the homepage for 2-3 days is incidental to the primary purpose.

      Best regards,


      John

      BuildMyRank.com


      So are you saying this is how the posts will be from now on?

      XXXXX, that is correct. This will help to insure that posts remain indexed longer which is where the actual value is, not from having a PR link for 2-3 days.

      Please reply to this ticket if you have additional questions regarding this issue.


      Best regards,


      James

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  • Profile picture of the author bhuff85
    Back when I initially joined BMR about a year ago, I had a feeling this would come sooner or later. Looks like the gravy train is coming to a stop, though.

    I planned on cancelling this month anyway with all of the public blog networks getting smacked around, but this is an even bigger reason to leave. I imagine that many members are thinking the same thing. They may as well just consider it done.
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  • Profile picture of the author Berkinb
    From what I can see, BMR has taken a lot of actions based on pure panic over the course of this last week and actually shot themselves dead. I was going to stick with them until this happened. Now they have made their own service useless.

    This is a very big strategic mistake that will cost them dearly in my opinion (read losing almost all their customers).
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    • Profile picture of the author 1stpage
      Riddle me this...

      What is the difference between a HPBL network and a guest blog network?

      Why wouldn't BMR, ALN, etc simply relaunch and re-label themselves as a matchmaking service to connect guest bloggers to blogs looking to accept guest posts?

      Wouldn't that mean that they are no longer considered paid links since users are not paying for links but rather the matchmaking service it's self? And, it's evident that Google <3's guest blogging.

      What the heck, ramp it up a notch - they can even splash "This service is not intended / not to be used to increase your backlinks" all over the front page.

      Does changing the semantics change the outcome? Perhaps what we really need a better PR spin because personally I see no difference between those two animals other than user intent (assuming no spun content & good QC).
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  • Profile picture of the author JeanneLynn
    Will this hurt their effectiveness? I have stuck with them too, but it takes a lot of time to create all of this unique content. Will it still be worth it to use BMR?

    Also, why didn't BMR send me an email to let me know about this?
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    • Profile picture of the author pdrs
      Originally Posted by JeanneLynn View Post


      Also, why didn't BMR send me an email to let me know about this?
      My point exactly
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  • Profile picture of the author pdrs
    The simple fact that they would make such a DRASTIC change to the service (i.e. no backlinks on the homepage) without informing their customers first is enough for me to call it quits.

    I just reupped for another month and definitely would not have had someone let me know this was going to happen - instead I found out about it on the WF. Poor service all around.
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    • Profile picture of the author bhuff85
      Originally Posted by pdrs View Post

      The simple fact that they would make such a DRASTIC change to the service (i.e. no backlinks on the homepage) without informing their customers first is enough for me to call it quits.

      I just reupped for another month and definitely would not have had someone let me know this was going to happen - instead I found out about it on the WF. Poor service all around.
      Agreed. I just paid my sub fee about 5 days ago, but after seeing this here and not getting any notice from BMR about it, I just cancelled my subscription.
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  • Profile picture of the author rodanglee
    That's terrible news for BMR.. my keywords got smacked and nowhere to be found in google, at least for the first 100 results.
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    • Profile picture of the author pauly99
      Originally Posted by rodanglee View Post

      That's terrible news for BMR.. my keywords got smacked and nowhere to be found in google, at least for the first 100 results.
      I'm holding hands with you my friend. The main site (a 3 month old site) I was concentrating on went from having one keyword in the top 10 of Google to having 8 after a month of using BMR. My main keyword was ranked #2.

      Then I knew something happened. My main keyword is now #79 and my highest ranked keyword is #24. Traffic dropped to near zilch.
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  • Profile picture of the author aa411853
    You guys are certainly entitled to your opinions, but we have a business to run and there are always be tough decisions to make. The quickest way to become irrelevant is to always go the popular route. We have to run the business to deliver the best long-term results for the majority of our user base, not try to please everyone. The reality right now is we're faced with a no win situation. Either adapt and piss off a portion of the user base, or don't change and become irrelevant.


    We're always testing changes, that's the beauty of a private network like this. And are we always going to let members know about these changes? Of course not. Does Google publish their algos for everyone to decode?


    We've now scaled back the size of this test to only utilize a smaller part of our network. As we collect more data over the coming months we'll adjust as necessary.
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    • Profile picture of the author dp40oz
      Originally Posted by aa411853 View Post

      You guys are certainly entitled to your opinions, but we have a business to run and there are always be tough decisions to make. The quickest way to become irrelevant is to always go the popular route. We have to run the business to deliver the best long-term results for the majority of our user base, not try to please everyone. The reality right now is we're faced with a no win situation. Either adapt and piss off a portion of the user base, or don't change and become irrelevant.


      We're always testing changes, that's the beauty of a private network like this. And are we always going to let members know about these changes? Of course not. Does Google publish their algos for everyone to decode?


      We've now scaled back the size of this test to only utilize a smaller part of our network. As we collect more data over the coming months we'll adjust as necessary.
      Sure… but the way to adapt is not to completely destroy the most powerful aspect of your network in one fell swoop. A good portion of your networks power is Google initially giving you credit for that high PR homepage link.

      Now I understand that there is power when posts fall off the homepage but without Google seeing that the link was once "trusted" to be on the homepage you are massively reducing the effectiveness. You are not going against what is "popular" you are making a knee jerk reaction that WILL kill your business. Your network is not worth the unique content and the monthly fee if Google never sees that initial high PR link and passes that trust. You guys are making a huge mistake if you think people will stick around for this new, much less effective service.
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    • Profile picture of the author Talen
      Originally Posted by aa411853 View Post

      You guys are certainly entitled to your opinions, but we have a business to run and there are always be tough decisions to make. The quickest way to become irrelevant is to always go the popular route. We have to run the business to deliver the best long-term results for the majority of our user base, not try to please everyone. The reality right now is we're faced with a no win situation. Either adapt and piss off a portion of the user base, or don't change and become irrelevant.


      We're always testing changes, that's the beauty of a private network like this. And are we always going to let members know about these changes? Of course not. Does Google publish their algos for everyone to decode?


      We've now scaled back the size of this test to only utilize a smaller part of our network. As we collect more data over the coming months we'll adjust as necessary.
      This type of piss poor response is exactly why I quite using BMR.

      #1. the quickest way to become irrelevant is to not communicate important changes with your PAYING customers. It doesn't matter what Google does as we don't PAY them.

      Aside from that your new editors need to actually be schooled on proper English and grammar as they don't have the first clue.
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      • Profile picture of the author bhuff85
        Originally Posted by Talen View Post

        #1. the quickest way to become irrelevant is to not communicate important changes with your PAYING customers. It doesn't matter what Google does as we don't PAY them.
        And that sums it up right there.

        As a paying customer, I think it's only fair to expect a notice when there is a significant change in a service I use. I think the team who runs BMR knows that it is going to lose members due to the change regardless, so why send out a mass notice when they can do this under the radar to retain some revenue? He even said its a "no win situation", so you might as well grab the bull by the horns and run with it while you can. That's why I said goodbye to it today.

        Look - I understand it may be stressful running a network that is having issues at the moment, but there is no reason to have a "like it or not" attitude with customers who PAY to use a service you provide. That just digs an even larger hole for you to stand in.
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        • Profile picture of the author Dellco
          Simple logic - Whenever ANY service gets too popular, it loses its effectiveness and edge. BMR has fallen victim to its popularity - and so will any service that get too popular...that is just the way it is.

          The more private the network, and the higher their quality bar, the longer they will stay relevant. As for public networks, well...it's anybody's guess.....

          And many people are just too damn lazy and don't give a rat's ass about the integrity of the network they are using, because I still see a TON of spam, spun, practically unreadable JUNK on many a network even now, and trust me, that is going to degrade the network sooner or later - which is why BMR has their rules. People just never learn!
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      • Profile picture of the author mjohnson2009
        Originally Posted by Talen View Post


        Aside from that your new editors need to actually be schooled on proper English and grammar as they don't have the first clue.
        Yes. Apparently BMR does not own a word processor. You also don't understand that KWs "bankruptcy attorney" are relevant to chapter 13. Chapter 13 is what bankruptcy attorneys do. I'm not talking about the graders that get paid ten cents (another dubious business decision). I talking about BMR HQ that does not follow its own published post submission guidelines. There's been 5 or so posts in recent days about this on WF. Some probably aren't native speakers, but others are. Apparent stuff written for school kids and Little Golden Books is the new era of "quality content."
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    • Profile picture of the author pdrs
      Originally Posted by aa411853 View Post

      You guys are certainly entitled to your opinions, but we have a business to run and there are always be tough decisions to make. The quickest way to become irrelevant is to always go the popular route. We have to run the business to deliver the best long-term results for the majority of our user base, not try to please everyone. The reality right now is we're faced with a no win situation. Either adapt and piss off a portion of the user base, or don't change and become irrelevant.


      We're always testing changes, that's the beauty of a private network like this. And are we always going to let members know about these changes? Of course not. Does Google publish their algos for everyone to decode?


      We've now scaled back the size of this test to only utilize a smaller part of our network. As we collect more data over the coming months we'll adjust as necessary.
      I understand you're in a tough situation, but just making a wide sweeping change like that without giving your members the option to opt-out before you implement it is a kin to stealing my money.

      We pay for a certain service, I just paid for that service as well as paid to have a whole bunch of links created and I probably wouldn't have had I known what was coming - are you issuing refunds for the current billing period?
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by aa411853 View Post

      You guys are certainly entitled to your opinions, but we have a business to run and there are always be tough decisions to make. .
      Yeah but putting it like that is NOT the way to address and explain it to your customers. Plus I trust you do know how domains get deindexed. They get reported by competitors alot of the time after the competitors do backlink checks. It won't matter if the page is on the home page or not. Google isn't just deindexing pages they are deindexing domains.
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      • Profile picture of the author dp40oz
        Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

        Yeah but putting it like that is NOT the way to address and explain it to your customers. Plus I trust you do know how domains get deindexed. They get reported by competitors alot of the time after the competitors do backlink checks. It won't matter if the page is on the home page or not. Google isn't just deindexing pages they are deindexing domains.
        Exactly! I have been very surprised lately at some of the choices BMR has been making. They seem like they are coming from guys with no SEO experience which I know can't be true. Thinking that removing links from the homepage is going to stop Google from deindexing is such an uneducated way of thinking. I mean the only reason it would help with deindexing is that BMR would lose so much effectiveness that Google won't care to deindex it anymore.
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        • Profile picture of the author Berkinb
          Spot on! This is what I meant by saying they were making a huge strategical mistake. They are practically forcing all members to cancel their subscription. This is worse than anything Google could have done to them.

          I also wonder how clueless can they be about their member base. I mean, really, how could they imagine to keep their subscribers after such a change? You pay a full month's price and 4-5 days later you find out that the service you paid for is no longer available!

          Like you said, they created such an awful situation in which G wouldn't have to bother with deindexing or anything else.

          Now I see they took a step back (I see links on the home pages again) but I seriously lost confidence in them. Acting with such a panic, hiring a bunch of new editors who can't make heads or tails of any long sentence, making drastic changes without even bothering to inform their paying members...

          Originally Posted by dp40oz View Post

          Exactly! I have been very surprised lately at some of the choices BMR has been making. They seem like they are coming from guys with no SEO experience which I know can't be true. Thinking that removing links from the homepage is going to stop Google from deindexing is such an uneducated way of thinking. I mean the only reason it would help with deindexing is that BMR would lose so much effectiveness that Google won't care to deindex it anymore.
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          • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
            Originally Posted by Berkinb View Post

            Now I see they took a step back (I see links on the home pages again) but I seriously lost confidence in them. Acting with such a panic, hiring a bunch of new editors who can't make heads or tails of any long sentence, making drastic changes without even bothering to inform their paying members...

            Well I predicted they would have to make changes but like I said I don't see how that is any big protection. I am not a subscriber but I have recommended their use (IF you are going the public rental network route with all its inherent weaknesses) but seriously? My confidence just went way down.

            Anyway there are two things I think I can take away.

            A) nothing new here but it was kind of strange to finally see it admitted that the links on the home page don't stay long enough to get much benefit anyway - that was the argument why it wouldn't matter much

            B) It just doesn't seem rational to me that that was part of the planned upgrade like they said was the reason they closed their doors to new subscribers. So the likelihood that they were hit by some deindexing seems much more likely now.

            For anyone from BMR reading this - Sorry - none of those protections will work. You have to go back to the content and it has to be written by you. The content model has to be changed. Yes alot of your subscribers will complain even louder but theres no other way to protect your business. PM if you wish and I can give you some suggestions (but you can figure it out yourself as well). I've yet to have anyone I work with get a deindexed domain but I admit they are nowhere even close to having a network as public as yours.
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            • Profile picture of the author JDIZM
              Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

              Well I predicted they would have to make changes but like I said I don't see how that is any big protection. I am not a subscriber but I have recommended their use (IF you are going the public rental network route with all its inherent weaknesses) but seriously? My confidence just went way down.

              Anyway there are two things I think I can take away.

              A) nothing new here but it was kind of strange to finally see it admitted that the links on the home page don't stay long enough to get much benefit anyway - that was the argument why it wouldn't matter much

              B) It just doesn't seem rational to me that that was part of the planned upgrade like they said was the reason they closed their doors to new subscribers. So the likelihood that they were hit by some deindexing seems much more likely now.

              For anyone from BMR reading this - Sorry - none of those protections will work. You have to go back to the content and it has to be written by you. The content model has to be changed. Yes alot of your subscribers will complain even louder but theres no other way to protect your business. PM if you wish and I can give you some suggestions (but you can figure it out yourself as well). I've yet to have anyone I work with get a deindexed domain but I admit they are nowhere even close to having a network as public as yours.
              nice post man, I am not a subscriber of BMR myself but I did recommend its use.

              But after reading what you said I guess the homepage links weren't much benefit after all
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  • Profile picture of the author SeoKnightsInc
    Ya thats why i hate BMR there over demand of good unique and quality content which they reject anytime and when my post get published its on PR n/a page. It consist of dropped domains so almost no internal page have any PR value, For me it was complete waste of money and time. I am happy that at last Google is treating them the right way.

    Originally Posted by aa411853 View Post

    Does Google publish their algos for everyone to decode?
    Lol comparing BMR to GOOGLE !!!

    Mr. BMR one thing you should know that we dont PAY GOOGLE a monthly subscription. Your already SO OVER-DEMANDING rules has wasted our lot of time.
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  • Profile picture of the author JeanneLynn
    I'd like to know if this new change will impact BMR's effectiveness? It's time consuming to write the posts; will it still be worth the investment in time and money?
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  • Profile picture of the author mrtrance
    So now with BMR we no longer get a link on homepage wirh high PR, but just a regular post on a site that is N/A. Is that correct? So then it is pretty much useless and we can achieve the same thing by just posting to web20s and backlinking those correct?

    So any alternatives now that we can switch to?
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  • Profile picture of the author JeanneLynn
    I'm glad they added the links back to the homepages again. That makes me feel better. I'm paid until March 22 (but cancelled the auto-renew, just in case) and I'd keep using the service if things remain the same and BMR is still effective. I've been happy with BMR, for the most part.

    Although I am concerned about the recent rash of post rejections. I hope that will be resolved soon as well.
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  • Profile picture of the author ericbryant
    So then, what are the top options to consider in light of this? Where are you guys headed?
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  • Profile picture of the author boxoun
    So what bmr is trying to say is...because of the risk and the refusal to put our profits at risk, we will try to milk our customers for the remainder of our network. Thank you come again.
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  • Profile picture of the author GGpaul
    Damn, and I'll never forget when everyone was flaming that guy Cheekugames in regards to BMR -_-.
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    • Profile picture of the author yukon
      Originally Posted by GGpaul View Post

      Damn, and I'll never forget when everyone was flaming that guy Cheekugames in regards to BMR -_-.
      Ha, ha, I remember that forum thread, he was determined to bring BMR down, the guy was getting a little nutty about it.

      I suppose it only takes one guy to nark out a BL network.
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  • Profile picture of the author retsek
    You guys are kinda overacting. Before this the longest posts would last on the homepage of BMR's site was 1 day. 2 at the most.

    The real power of the BMR's links were that they were placed on a high PR domain with a structure that allowed the PR/link juice to flow around the site and to the articles. That is/was the real magic, the real reason BMR works.

    If you think it'll be no longer effective because links no longer appear on the homepage, then i'm sorry, you must be a flippin noob.
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    • Profile picture of the author RayW
      Originally Posted by retsek View Post

      The real power of the BMR's links were that they were placed on a high PR domain with a structure that allowed the PR/link juice to flow around the site and to the articles.
      Then why don't links from ezinearticles, squidoo, hubpages, etc have the same effect?
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      • Profile picture of the author retsek
        Originally Posted by RayW View Post

        Then why don't links from ezinearticles, squidoo, hubpages, etc have the same effect?
        BMR has thousands of sites.

        All the major article directories and web2's worth submitting to are under 50.

        -not to mention many of them are nofollow.
        -not to mention there's value in being linked to from a wide range of domains rather than a few.

        There's no comparison.
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        • Profile picture of the author RayW
          Originally Posted by retsek View Post

          BMR has thousands of sites.

          All the major article directories and web2's worth submitting to are under 50.

          -not to mention many of them are nofollow.
          -not to mention there's value in being linked to from a wide range of domains rather than a few.

          There's no comparison.
          Not true, I have seen major differences in rankings after just 1-3 BMR posts, I have never seen any difference after 1-3 dofollow links from web 2.0s or article directories; hell, I have rarely seen any difference after 100s of dofollow links from web 2.0s or article directories.
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          • Profile picture of the author retsek
            Originally Posted by RayW View Post

            Not true, I have seen major differences in rankings after just 1-3 BMR posts, I have never seen any difference after 1-3 dofollow links from web 2.0s or article directories; hell, I have rarely seen any difference after 100s of dofollow links from web 2.0s or article directories.
            You misunderstand my post.
            Read it again. I am saying article directories are no comparison to BMR.
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            • Profile picture of the author rinor81
              So now I'm having second thoughts and don't know what to do...

              Continue with them or save money and cancel the subscription? Read all the posts here and I am very confused.

              The best and most "loved" (if you can call it this way) by Google is contextual links and I'm thinking keep focusing on guest blogs which are powerful and won't get us worried about grey or black hat...

              So I have am confused now and it irritates me....any suggestions?

              Thanks guys,
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              • Profile picture of the author rodanglee
                Originally Posted by rinor81 View Post

                So now I'm having second thoughts and don't know what to do...

                Continue with them or save money and cancel the subscription? Read all the posts here and I am very confused.

                The best and most "loved" (if you can call it this way) by Google is contextual links and I'm thinking keep focusing on guest blogs which are powerful and won't get us worried about grey or black hat...

                So I have am confused now and it irritates me....any suggestions?

                Thanks guys,
                Well, BMR and most of the blog networks are kinda out for the season right now, so it's better to wait till another major update.

                You can continue your subscription but don't hold your breath... Who knows? BMR will get their network back and will reward all those who stayed with them during their times of despair....
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  • Profile picture of the author JDIZM
    wow this is pretty shocking tbh. No homepage link isnt good..
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  • Profile picture of the author RayW
    So what are some good alternatives to BMR?
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  • Profile picture of the author GGpaul
    I should just do a case study and have one domain that's purely BMR, and see if it works. I have a lot of time in my hands so I might as well .
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    • Profile picture of the author theverysmartguy
      Why did they not tell anyone? Well, they have a NO REFUND policy. So that means if they change their entire structure and don't tell anyone then their customers don't have time to cancel a sub before they realize what is going on.

      When you are a paying a monthly fee for something, that company has an obligation to tell their customers that they are going to be changing how things are run. Considering that you are paying for the membership specifically for a certain reason, if they take that reason away they really should tell people.

      This is very shady businesses practices for sure.

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    • Profile picture of the author theverysmartguy
      Originally Posted by GGpaul View Post

      I should just do a case study and have one domain that's purely BMR, and see if it works. I have a lot of time in my hands so I might as well .
      Don't bother. I had a couple of sites like that, they lost about 60% of their backlinks and ALL of their rankings.

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      • Profile picture of the author RayW
        Originally Posted by theverysmartguy View Post

        I had a couple of sites like that, they lost about 60% of their backlinks and ALL of their rankings.
        After how many days/months did this happen?
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  • Profile picture of the author MaverickUK
    There is only three people in this entire thread that even have a slight clue as to what they're talking about, seriously guys if you don't have a clue please keep quiet and stop acting like fools.

    Links only stay on the homepage for a MAXIMUM of 2 days, the power you're receiving is in the post that gets published, not the pagerank of the homepage giving you any real advantage. If this was the case you would notice HUGE unnatural up and down motions in the rankings and I'm pretty sure nobody experiences this, I certainly do not - use your brains for just a moment.

    Sites I've previously used solely BMR on (test sites more than anything else) don't have their rankings lower over a period of time, even after link building has stopped completely for weeks.

    People should take a moment to research the affect of link juice, this is the important factor here and how it's utilised on a site by site basis - in specifically referring to its use on the BMR network.

    On the other side of the coin though I don't see how BMR think this is going to make them any safer, plus why did they even decide to make this change if a big part of their network wasn't deindexed? Did they give in to all of the scare stories posted around the Warrior Forum or what?

    And why the frick wasn't we notified? I understand that the majority of the ranking factor is in the post itself and not the link being on the homepage as people have always believed, however I think a change like this should be email notification worthy at the very least - the lack of this alone makes me want to unsubscribe and I've forever defended BMR.

    Cheekugames who whined a while ago probably wasn't talking about this issue and if he was, he's still as retarded now as he was then - what's changed? Someone please tell me - Yukon, anyone?

    Anyway, the amount of clueless people on this forum is embarrassing and annoying at the same time.
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    • Profile picture of the author yukon
      Originally Posted by MaverickUK View Post

      There is only three people in this entire thread that even have a slight clue as to what they're talking about, seriously guys if you don't have a clue please keep quiet and stop acting like fools.

      Links only stay on the homepage for a MAXIMUM of 2 days, the power you're receiving is in the post that gets published, not the pagerank of the homepage giving you any real advantage. If this was the case you would notice HUGE unnatural up and down motions in the rankings and I'm pretty sure nobody experiences this, I certainly do not - use your brains for just a moment.

      Sites I've previously used solely BMR on (test sites more than anything else) don't have their rankings lower over a period of time, even after link building has stopped completely for weeks.

      People should take a moment to research the affect of link juice, this is the important factor here and how it's utilised on a site by site basis - in specifically referring to its use on the BMR network.

      On the other side of the coin though I don't see how BMR think this is going to make them any safer, plus why did they even decide to make this change if a big part of their network wasn't deindexed? Did they give in to all of the scare stories posted around the Warrior Forum or what?

      And why the frick wasn't we notified? I understand that the majority of the ranking factor is in the post itself and not the link being on the homepage as people have always believed, however I think a change like this should be email notification worthy at the very least - the lack of this alone makes me want to unsubscribe and I've forever defended BMR.

      Cheekugames who whined a while ago probably wasn't talking about this issue and if he was, he's still as retarded now as he was then - what's changed? Someone please tell me - Yukon, anyone?

      Anyway, the amount of clueless people on this forum is embarrassing and annoying at the same time.
      Out of #45 comments in this thread, why did you single me out, because I made a joke about the older nutty BMR thread? It was funny, why wouldn't I make a joke?

      All jokes aside, If you don't think that a single person can expose an entire private BL network your living in a dream world. Which BMR wasn't even private to begin with.

      I've defended BMR in the past & actually recommended them without any financial gain (nothing), so why are you getting so irate?
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      • Profile picture of the author MaverickUK
        Originally Posted by yukon View Post

        Out of #45 comments in this thread, why did you single me out, because I made a joke about the older nutty BMR thread? It was funny, why wouldn't I make a joke?

        All jokes aside, If you don't think that a single person can expose an entire private BL network your living in a dream world. Which BMR wasn't even private to begin with.

        I've defended BMR in the past & actually recommended them without any financial gain (nothing), so why are you getting so irate?
        Yukon I'm not being irate, I think you are (now at least). I just assumed you thought cheekugames now had some sort of legitimacy and was wondering why, that's all - chill man, I wasn't aiming anything at you with malice or something.

        I only asked a question, I wasn't meaning to sound like I'm angry or something lol, it appears that's how it come across so in which case I'm sorry oh and where I mention your name, it simply relates to cheeku and that whole siutation solely, the entire post isn't aimed at you
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      • Profile picture of the author anistars
        so, what would you guys, suggest? Should I stay with them or find someone else?
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        • Profile picture of the author RayW
          Originally Posted by anistars View Post

          so, what would you guys, suggest? Should I stay with them or find someone else?
          I just unsubscribed from BMR and signed up on LinkAuthority yesterday; I'm paying $18.60 per month instead of $59 for the same number of posts, but I don't know if the results will be similar. I'll report back my results to this thread later on.
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          • Profile picture of the author Berkinb
            Ray,

            How many posts are you getting for $18.60? When I enter something like 10 a day I see $80 a month.

            Originally Posted by RayW View Post

            I just unsubscribed from BMR and signed up on LinkAuthority yesterday; I'm paying $18.60 per month instead of $59 for the same number of posts, but I don't know if the results will be similar. I'll report back my results to this thread later on.
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            • Profile picture of the author RayW
              Originally Posted by Berkinb View Post

              Ray,

              How many posts are you getting for $18.60? When I enter something like 10 a day I see $80 a month.
              60 posts/month (or 2/day). I don't have very many sites and the sites I do have are micro-niche sites that don't need many posts to rank well so I don't need very many posts. I guess for people who need 10/day or more, LA isn't much cheaper than BMR...
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    • Profile picture of the author bhuff85
      Originally Posted by MaverickUK View Post

      There is only three people in this entire thread that even have a slight clue as to what they're talking about, seriously guys if you don't have a clue please keep quiet and stop acting like fools.

      Links only stay on the homepage for a MAXIMUM of 2 days, the power you're receiving is in the post that gets published, not the pagerank of the homepage giving you any real advantage. If this was the case you would notice HUGE unnatural up and down motions in the rankings and I'm pretty sure nobody experiences this, I certainly do not - use your brains for just a moment.

      Sites I've previously used solely BMR on (test sites more than anything else) don't have their rankings lower over a period of time, even after link building has stopped completely for weeks.

      People should take a moment to research the affect of link juice, this is the important factor here and how it's utilised on a site by site basis - in specifically referring to its use on the BMR network.

      On the other side of the coin though I don't see how BMR think this is going to make them any safer, plus why did they even decide to make this change if a big part of their network wasn't deindexed? Did they give in to all of the scare stories posted around the Warrior Forum or what?

      And why the frick wasn't we notified? I understand that the majority of the ranking factor is in the post itself and not the link being on the homepage as people have always believed, however I think a change like this should be email notification worthy at the very least - the lack of this alone makes me want to unsubscribe and I've forever defended BMR.

      Cheekugames who whined a while ago probably wasn't talking about this issue and if he was, he's still as retarded now as he was then - what's changed? Someone please tell me - Yukon, anyone?

      Anyway, the amount of clueless people on this forum is embarrassing and annoying at the same time.
      The fact that they chose to approach the entire situation with a "we'll do whatever and you can deal with it how it is" mindstate made me open up my eyes a little wider.

      Yeah, it's their business - they can operate it how they want to. That doesn't mean I'll give them any more of my money, though. I understand the frustration, but c'mon - approaching it like that isn't helping much, is it?
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by MaverickUK View Post

      Links only stay on the homepage for a MAXIMUM of 2 days, the power you're receiving is in the post that gets published, not the pagerank of the homepage giving you any real advantage. If this was the case you would notice HUGE unnatural up and down motions in the rankings and I'm pretty sure nobody experiences this, I certainly do not - use your brains for just a moment.
      Some of us are using our brain :rolleyes:

      How fast post rolls off the page by itself is immaterial the issue is how fast does the link with PR from the home page fall out of GOOGLE's link index and that depends also on how often the page is crawled.

      SO the link can stay on the home page for a day or two but then say its not crawled again for another day or two (or more) then google will continue to hold the link in the ranking algo. SO OBVIOUSLY people did get some links indexed in Google with high PR at least for while. This is why people say they get better results if they keep posting. Even for those pages that don't get crawled regularly some part of the successful users (in any given day or week) of BMR would be those who had links on the front page when the bot last crawled.

      In fact for people who posted regularly (and those ARE the people who say they have had the most success) at any given time they WOULD be likely to have at least some or one link being counted while still on the front page and THAT could be the reason in some serps for their success and their continued success as they keep posting.

      Yes there was/is the benefit of juice flowing through the pages but first I don't see BMR (but perhaps they have changed) using the proper navigation to dispense that juice optimally for other pages AND second I think you have overlooked another reason why a Network would tell you they will not post on the home page where the PR routinely is higher.

      AND I AM NOT ACCUSING BMR OF ANYTHING but its a logical possibility

      If your network has lost juice its harder for people to notice if you are telling them not to expect their link pages to have have high PR. I have to think of that possibility because the idea that a site is protected because it has no links on its home page is kinda weak.

      Anyway, the amount of clueless people on this forum is embarrassing and annoying at the same time.
      Before making such statements always make sure you have a complete understanding of the issue you are calling people clueless about.
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      • Profile picture of the author rinor81
        Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

        Some of us are using our brain :rolleyes:

        How fast post rolls off the page by itself is immaterial the issue is how fast does the link with PR from the home page fall out of GOOGLE's link index and that depends also on how often the page is crawled.

        SO the link can stay on the home page for a day or two but then say its not crawled again for another day or two (or more) then google will continue to hold the link in the ranking algo. SO OBVIOUSLY people did get some links indexed in Google with high PR at least for while. This is why people say they get better results if they keep posting. Even for those pages that don't get crawled regularly some part of the successful users (in any given day or week) of BMR would be those who had links on the front page when the bot last crawled.

        In fact for people who posted regularly (and those ARE the people who say they have had the most success) at any given time they WOULD be likely to have at least some or one link being counted while still on the front page and THAT could be the reason in some serps for their success and their continued success as they keep posting.

        Yes there was/is the benefit of juice flowing through the pages but first I don't see BMR (but perhaps they have changed) using the proper navigation to dispense that juice optimally for other pages AND second I think you have overlooked another reason why a Network would tell you they will not post on the home page where the PR routinely is higher.

        AND I AM NOT ACCUSING BMR OF ANYTHING but its a logical possibility

        If your network has lost juice its harder for people to notice if you are telling them not to expect their link pages to have have high PR. I have to think of that possibility because the idea that a site is protected because it has no links on its home page is kinda weak.



        Before making such statements always make sure you have a complete understanding of the issue you are calling people clueless about.

        Mike,

        At the end...what do you think?

        Paying $59 a month for a service that does not allow links from home page anymore is worth? I'm not so sure....I mean guest blogs are safe and free and I get the same result.

        What do you think?

        Thanks,
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      • Profile picture of the author MaverickUK
        Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

        Some of us are using our brain :rolleyes:

        How fast post rolls off the page by itself is immaterial the issue is how fast does the link with PR from the home page fall out of GOOGLE's link index and that depends also on how often the page is crawled.

        SO the link can stay on the home page for a day or two but then say its not crawled again for another day or two (or more) then google will continue to hold the link in the ranking algo. SO OBVIOUSLY people did get some links indexed in Google with high PR at least for while. This is why people say they get better results if they keep posting. Even for those pages that don't get crawled regularly some part of the successful users (in any given day or week) of BMR would be those who had links on the front page when the bot last crawled.

        In fact for people who posted regularly (and those ARE the people who say they have had the most success) at any given time they WOULD be likely to have at least some or one link being counted while still on the front page and THAT could be the reason in some serps for their success and their continued success as they keep posting.

        Yes there was/is the benefit of juice flowing through the pages but first I don't see BMR (but perhaps they have changed) using the proper navigation to dispense that juice optimally for other pages AND second I think you have overlooked another reason why a Network would tell you they will not post on the home page where the PR routinely is higher.

        AND I AM NOT ACCUSING BMR OF ANYTHING but its a logical possibility

        If your network has lost juice its harder for people to notice if you are telling them not to expect their link pages to have have high PR. I have to think of that possibility because the idea that a site is protected because it has no links on its home page is kinda weak.



        Before making such statements always make sure you have a complete understanding of the issue you are calling people clueless about.
        Okay clever cloggs, what didn't I understand properly? The part that mentions the link staying on the homepage for a day or two max is under the assumption that the homepage gets re-crawled on a regular basis, which one would assume is the case as BMR use a lot of social networks et al to get their posts indexed - surely the fact that Google keeps revisiting website on a per-page basis gives an indicator to Google the popularity of the domain, thus the higher likeliness the homepage gets recrawled on a regular basis?

        Why are you even talking to me about BASIC stuff such as that in the first sentence of your post? Lol. I wasn't born yesterday.

        The point I was making is that the majority of the reasoning for ranks people get from BMR are related to the number of 'votes' and the minimal amount of link juice flowing through to the individual posts as opposed to the (in my opinion) small affect you get from the link being in the homepage for such a ridiculously small amount of time.

        And no, if you read the entire post you would of noticed that I wonder why BMR never decided to tell us the reasoning behind it and yes, it seems a bit suspect to me as mentioned. In your reply, assuming there will be one, please be specific in regards to what you're claiming I don't have a total understanding about, I'm very curious. If its what you mention at the start of your reply then you're obviously mental!

        I'm pretty sure you nitpicked at my post to make yourself look like a clever authorative chap than to have an actual healthy debate on the topic. Wonder why you'd do that! *points to sig*.
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        • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
          Originally Posted by MaverickUK View Post

          I'm pretty sure you nitpicked at my post to make yourself look like a clever authorative chap than to have an actual healthy debate on the topic. Wonder why you'd do that! *points to sig*.
          wrong again. I posted on it because you dared to imply everyone was stupid without showing a very deep understanding yourself of how things work. The rest of your posts and yada yada yada is just verbage that I dont need to respond to further.

          Bottom line is people do at times gets link indexed from the home page and that PR does help. Plus anyone that has done a lick of SEO work knows that you can remove some links to a site that are important and yet the rankings do not always drop immediately. The ranking will in fact hold for days on MANY occasions.

          Again before making the accusation that people are clueless make sure first that you have a good understanding of issues

          Plus for the record calling people mental is not within the rules of this board but having a sig is whether you like it or not.
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          • Profile picture of the author bbncu
            Seems like the BMR guys are keeping tabs of this thread and numerous others that popped up when they unlinked their main page....as of time that I checked, the links on the home page are live again...I did unsubscribe yesterday but will probably continue if they will not change anything anymore...
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          • Profile picture of the author MaverickUK
            Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

            wrong again. I posted on it because you dared to imply everyone was stupid without showing a very deep understanding yourself of how things work. The rest of your posts and yada yada yada is just verbage that I dont need to respond to further.

            Bottom line is people do at times gets link indexed from the home page and that PR does help. Plus anyone that has done a lick of SEO work knows that you can remove some links to a site that are important and yet the rankings do not always drop immediately. The ranking will in fact hold for days on MANY occasions.

            Again before making the accusation that people are clueless make sure first that you have a good understanding of issues

            Plus for the record calling people mental is not within the rules of this board but having a sig is whether you like it or not.
            Actually I didn't imply that everyone was clueless, however if you take a moment to read some of the replies not only in this thread, but the forum, you'd notice yourself that there is far too much misinformation going on. Unsurprisingly you didn't mention what it is you believe I don't have an understanding of. Do you make these things up as you go along?

            I didn't even say that links on the homepage don't help, but rather the effectiveness they offer in relation to the actual links actually being posted anywhere on the domain is not as comparable as everyone is trying to suggest - at least NOT in the case of the BMR network - that's the important factor here.

            And as you so cleverly point out, yes, rankings can hold for days AFTER they've rolled off the homepage, but I didn't once say that it doesn't or wouldn't.

            Again you're making things up as you see fit - buy why? Lol. Jeez Mike you're such hard work.
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            • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
              Originally Posted by MaverickUK View Post

              Actually I didn't imply that everyone was clueless,
              No just most of the people in this thread. I make it up as I go along???? WHo wrote this?

              Originally Posted by MaverickUK View Post

              There is only three people in this entire thread that even have a slight clue as to what they're talking about, seriously guys if you don't have a clue please keep quiet and stop acting like fools..........................Anyway, the amount of clueless people on this forum is embarrassing and annoying at the same time.

              :rolleyes:

              Unsurprisingly you didn't mention what it is you believe I don't have an understanding of.

              LOL. I've said it point blank now three times. Last time - You don't understand how long a link on a PR page will hold in the index as a ranking factor otherwise you would not have downplayed the importance of no longer getting a home page link at all.

              anyway enough back and forth. This is my last post on this.
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  • Profile picture of the author rodanglee
    Links only stay on the homepage for a MAXIMUM of 2 days, the power you're receiving is in the post that gets published, not the pagerank of the homepage giving you any real advantage. If this was the case you would notice HUGE unnatural up and down motions in the rankings and I'm pretty sure nobody experiences this, I certainly do not - use your brains for just a moment.
    That's the reason why you need to keep submitting articles. The more articles you submit, the better chance that when google bot crawls that article site, it had your links in the homepage.
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  • Profile picture of the author rodanglee
    ....and, of course , you need to put in your links up high in the upper fold of your article.. BMR is showing only the first paragraph or so in the homepage.
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    Read the rest of the post
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  • Profile picture of the author dp40oz
    Homepage links pass trust regardless if they're only on the homepage for one minute. As long as Google crawls the page it has a positive impact. The service will be less effective without homepage links. Will it still work?... Yea sure but the point here is that it's much easier to get links from high PR domains that don't give you any homepage time. So the service should become cheaper and less strict if this is going to be the case because it no longer warrants $59 a month. Hell I can find 100's of high PR sites in a day that will let me write some content and place a link, but wont give me a link on the homepage.
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  • Profile picture of the author SeoKnightsInc
    Anyway, the amount of clueless people on this forum is embarrassing and annoying at the same time.
    I think some people have really got a very high amount of brain and best understanding in the world .

    Dont know why such intellectual peoples are wasting there time here with amateurs and poor brains :confused:
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  • Profile picture of the author evelyng
    Here's what I don't understand. Nobody (well most people) didn't notice a thing until they read it here on the forum. So, if you didn't notice your ranks dropping, why get so excited? My ranks have not dropped, and I'm going to continue using BMR until I actually NOTICE something. . .
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    • Profile picture of the author RayW
      Originally Posted by evelyng View Post

      Here's what I don't understand. Nobody (well most people) didn't notice a thing until they read it here on the forum. So, if you didn't notice your ranks dropping, why get so excited? My ranks have not dropped, and I'm going to continue using BMR until I actually NOTICE something. . .
      Your current sites/rankings will obviously not be effected; any posts you make after the change was implemented will only be effected (duh)...
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  • Profile picture of the author Mercusio
    When it comes to ranking sites, I've found BMR still to be effective lately. I've noticed a couple more post than usual not getting indexed, however for $59 for five sites, It's still one of the best deals around.
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  • Profile picture of the author rodanglee
    Hope BMR won't do anything drastic.. like making all those links we made into a nofollow
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  • Profile picture of the author tylerlam
    wow interesting development here. I am just glad I dodge a bullet I was contemplating joining BMR and was just about to but was just 2 days late before it was shut down to the public. This is a a really good lesson for me that things can change really quickly in the SEO world. I think it is time for me to buckle down and really concentrate on my content rather than just finding back links and shortcut methods.
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    • Profile picture of the author rinor81
      Originally Posted by tylerlam View Post

      wow interesting development here. I am just glad I dodge a bullet I was contemplating joining BMR and was just about to but was just 2 days late before it was shut down to the public. This is a a really good lesson for me that things can change really quickly in the SEO world. I think it is time for me to buckle down and really concentrate on my content rather than just finding back links and shortcut methods.
      Content has always been an important part of SEO and getting your site up and popular but keep building links as it is still part of SEO today, I would suggest guest blogs as an honest and good way to spread your links...

      Good Luck!
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  • Profile picture of the author mrtrance
    So those that have left BMR what are the alternatives? Are other services like BMR still valid or is it back to tools like SenukeX, blog comments, article directories, etc. to build backlinks?
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  • Profile picture of the author Adam James
    I would like to know some other alternatives as well because up untill now BMR has been the rolls Royce. I will continue to use BMR on all my sites until I know for sure it is no longer effective.
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  • Profile picture of the author Janet Walker
    Has everyone not seen the new G algo being released. BMR will be the only one standing in 6 months from now because they only use original content and no spun crap. Its all over the major seo forums about the changes for over optimization and irregular link building.
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  • Profile picture of the author AnnaSEO
    As for me,I have tested BMR,I have got results.But i was able to get the same kind of results in other networks who accept spinned articles.Stressing on a unique article is good,But not accepting a unique article pointing out a small grammar mistake? FAIL#
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