New Sites Keep Ranking Then Getting Slapped Hard

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Hey what is up,

I am running into a very annoying problem with all my new sites.

I mainly use Blog blueprint and ALN. I also throw in some social bookmarking links and all the typical stuff.

The problem I am running into is ALL my newer sites have started ranking really well for there keywords in the first week (top 8 at least), and then poof vanish in all the searches I had them ranking for.

They are still indexed.

I may be backlinking to fast, but this is just getting extremely weird. I have never seen dances this drastic before.

Is anyone else noticing stuff like this
#hard #ranking #sites #slapped
  • Profile picture of the author steven Clayden
    googles playing hardball. starting to de-rank sites with unnatural links.
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  • Profile picture of the author outwest
    Why in the world would you be using ALN? Thats like saying Google please kick my ass. ALN had 5000 sites DEINDEXED a week ago. thats not a concern to you I guess
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    • Profile picture of the author maline
      I had exactly the same problem last week. 2 websites submitted to ALN and BAM. Next day 500 places down.

      Both where 1 month old. Few days ago they got back to place 20-25. But before I submitted them they where at place 9 and 10.

      At the moment Im just waiting, and praying they will at least get back to page 1.

      Also I got one other website, with only 2 private backlinks. Which are fine. From #2 place just vanished. Still indexed but 500+. I did not even do a thing. God damn it Google is really messing with us.

      Also I never got any msg so far from Google in my webmaster tools.
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  • Profile picture of the author outwest
    I think ALN and possibly BMR are both dead now, and if you used them extensively your blogs will be hammered
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  • Profile picture of the author TigerRaging
    Yeah,

    I am wondering if they are penalizing sites with links from these networks
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    • Profile picture of the author outwest
      Originally Posted by TigerRaging View Post

      Yeah,

      I am wondering if they are penalizing sites with links from these networks
      its not a rumor its true
      deindexing 5000 ALN blogs gives you a big clue

      thats 25% of their network, lost in one week (ALN)
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  • Profile picture of the author retsek
    You probably don't have Webmaster tools setup for those sites. You would have seen the notices about unnatural links.
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  • Profile picture of the author TigerRaging
    But, I am wondering if links from these networks "poison" sites.

    The searches are not competitive, so even if the links were de indexed, the few other links would hold them up.

    I have done alot of SEO in the past and never seen all of a sites searches wiped out all at once in a normal dance
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    • Profile picture of the author dburk
      Originally Posted by TigerRaging View Post

      I have done alot of SEO in the past and never seen all of a sites searches wiped out all at once in a normal dance
      Hi TigerRaging,

      "In a normal dance"?

      What exactly do you think the Google Dance is? It is term coined to describe the large scale shifting of rankings based on major algorithm update.

      If "all" of your websites lost ranking in a single day then the Google Dance would be a likely answer.

      Another explanation would be that if most of your PR and Trust for all of those same sites is derived from a single source and that source is devalued.
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  • Profile picture of the author Curtis2011
    Originally Posted by TigerRaging View Post

    Hey what is up,

    I am running into a very annoying problem with all my new sites.

    I mainly use Blog blueprint and ALN. I also throw in some social bookmarking links and all the typical stuff.

    The problem I am running into is ALL my newer sites have started ranking really well for there keywords in the first week (top 8 at least), and then poof vanish in all the searches I had them ranking for.

    They are still indexed.

    I may be backlinking to fast, but this is just getting extremely weird. I have never seen dances this drastic before.

    Is anyone else noticing stuff like this

    Google usually includes different "types" of links in their results.

    Two of the types seem to be:

    1. Old authority pages.
    2. New "fresh" content.

    The problem is that your site pages qualify as fresh content only for a short time, so they are artificially bumped up in the results because they meet the time requirement criteria. But after a certain period of time, they do not meet this requirement anymore, so they are decreased in rank to their "natural" ranking.

    If you want to increase their rank from that spot, you will have to slowly build the sites into authority sites so they naturally qualify to reach the first page results instead of being artificially bumped there solely for being fresh content.
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  • Profile picture of the author TigerRaging
    Hey Curtis,

    I have ranked multiples sites highly in the past. These drops I am seeing are not normal drops.

    The searches I target are stupid uncompetitive, where it is almost impossible not to show up.

    Most of the time, dances have been typical. I have seen it happens plenty of times

    All the pages fall off at the same time and the site stop ranking for even abstract searches. Not a typical dance.
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    • Profile picture of the author dp40oz
      Originally Posted by TigerRaging View Post

      Hey Curtis,

      I have ranked multiples sites highly in the past. These drops I am seeing are not normal drops.

      The searches I target are stupid uncompetitive, where it is almost impossible not to show up.

      Most of the time, dances have been typical. I have seen it happens plenty of times

      All the pages fall off at the same time and the site stop ranking for even abstract searches. Not a typical dance.
      This happens to every single one of my new sites starting in about October. We probably do similar link building. To me its part of the algorithm lately. I rank high for about a week then bam… totally tank for about 5 weeks. Then I come back with incredible rankings that usually stick for good. I build links consistently through the entire tanking process. This has been the pattern for about 25 of my 40 sites, all of which have shown the same pattern. All i'll say is build links through it and within a few weeks the rankings will come back I promise.

      I actually like it because I really have found a "pattern". Finding a pattern in algorithm like this is about as good as you can get.
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      • Profile picture of the author TigerRaging
        hey I appreciated your comment in my Getting Slapped thread

        Could I ask what type of linking you are doing (no specifics of course) Just wanted to compare
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  • Profile picture of the author orpaz191
    First let's talk about the reason it happens:
    1. when you build links with blog networks, your link appears on the home page than slide to an inner page of the blog. So you get a boost in serp than slide back..
    2. another optional reason is that google de-indexed a lot of the blogs on the network.

    the solution:
    1. link diversity. don't use just blog networks.
    2. build strong foundation of backlinks, with high quality contextual links with second layer from web 2.0's or press release links. youtube and ezinearticles will also do the job. do it slowly for a few weeks. you will see how your site stabilized and stop dancing so hard.
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  • Profile picture of the author avarice
    Originally Posted by TigerRaging View Post

    Hey what is up,

    I am running into a very annoying problem with all my new sites.

    I mainly use Blog blueprint and ALN. I also throw in some social bookmarking links and all the typical stuff.

    The problem I am running into is ALL my newer sites have started ranking really well for there keywords in the first week (top 8 at least), and then poof vanish in all the searches I had them ranking for.

    They are still indexed.

    I may be backlinking to fast, but this is just getting extremely weird. I have never seen dances this drastic before.

    Is anyone else noticing stuff like this
    Sounds like you asked to play in the sandbox.

    >Build a new site
    >Google treats it fairly
    >sandbox avoided
    >Wreck all the good grace by buying a ton of spammy links from services that Google loves to hate
    >Welcome to the sandbox

    See you in 1-8 months
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    • Profile picture of the author joetheseo
      Yep.. 100% on the money.

      Don't sweat it too much, I'd say at least 50% of my new sites go to the sandbox for 1-3 months.

      Usually when they come out they rank quite well however.


      Originally Posted by avarice View Post

      Sounds like you asked to play in the sandbox.

      >Build a new site
      >Google treats it fairly
      >sandbox avoided
      >Wreck all the good grace by buying a ton of spammy links from services that Google loves to hate
      >Welcome to the sandbox

      See you in 1-8 months
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  • Profile picture of the author glock67
    google is paying more attention to sites that are generating unatural backlinks
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