If you use BMR -- has your rankings dropped yet?

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I use BMR heavily on 2 sites.. and the rankings have not dropped yet even though i heard that the BMR sites have been deindexed.

Have your BMR-ed sites moved in rankings?
If not, when should we expect them to drop?
#bmr #dropped #rankings
  • Profile picture of the author outwest
    If you used BMR extensively on any site, (assuming the site was well ranked) since BMR is now closed and deindexed, be prepared for those sites rankings to tank

    the penalty is not permanent, but it will be at least 30 days I think
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    • Profile picture of the author singaporeasiaco
      Originally Posted by outwest View Post

      If you used BMR extensively on any site, (assuming the site was well ranked) since BMR is now closed and deindexed, be prepared for those sites rankings to tank

      the penalty is not permanent, but it will be at least 30 days I think
      I guess it will tank when google accesses the site links again.
      Sigh, hopefully my sites don't fall too far behind
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  • Profile picture of the author IM Ash
    The penalty will usually hit within a few weeks or a month. The things is that many who have experienced a penalty due to been part of a deindexed network are not seeing a recovery, yet!

    Some have actually filed reconsideration requests but to my knowledge they too haven't had the penalty lifted. Google is asking webmasters to literally go out and remove all 1000 links to their site, if they have that many! Insane!
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    • Profile picture of the author singaporeasiaco
      Originally Posted by Eleva8 View Post

      The penalty will usually hit within a few weeks or a month. The things is that many who have experienced a penalty due to been part of a deindexed network are not seeing a recovery, yet!

      Some have actually filed reconsideration requests but to my knowledge they too haven't had the penalty lifted. Google is asking webmasters to literally go out and remove all 1000 links to their site, if they have that many! Insane!
      Would it then be a "penalty", or will it be a "devaluation of BMR links" from the link profile?

      The first of course would be a lot worst than the second.
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    • Profile picture of the author RustyBrown
      How can people have filed reconsideration requests for BMR when it was only de-indexed on March 19th. At the moment people are losing their link juice and if they just replace with new links its no big deal, just costs alot more money thats all.
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  • Profile picture of the author jdooley13
    My highest ranking, most heavily promoted keyword dropped from page 1 position 2 at 5pm yesterday to page 5 position 1 this morning. A couple of others have dropped a couple of spots but nothing major. Keeping my fingers crossed.
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    • Profile picture of the author singaporeasiaco
      Originally Posted by jdooley13 View Post

      My highest ranking, most heavily promoted keyword dropped from page 1 position 2 at 5pm yesterday to page 5 position 1 this morning. A couple of others have dropped a couple of spots but nothing major. Keeping my fingers crossed.
      ouch. so you're saying that Google picked out the most promoted keyword for an penalized it... and that nothing has happened for the rest?

      I hope mine will be ok too! i've got 2 sites heavily marketed by BMR... but their rankings are still steady at the moment.

      Sigh, we'll see...
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      • Profile picture of the author IM Ash
        Originally Posted by singaporeasiaco View Post

        Would it then be a "penalty", or will it be a "devaluation of BMR links" from the link profile?

        The first of course would be a lot worst than the second.
        Yeah, the first (penalty) will be worse and that is exactly what is going to happen to many who have used BMR. I went through this a month back as a result of a network that was deindexed.

        Originally Posted by jdooley13 View Post

        My highest ranking, most heavily promoted keyword dropped from page 1 position 2 at 5pm yesterday to page 5 position 1 this morning. A couple of others have dropped a couple of spots but nothing major. Keeping my fingers crossed.
        I'm sorry to be the bearer of bad news but the algorithm is still at work and you going to find over the next couple of weeks that your KWs are going to be jumping around, back and forth, and then after a while bang - they all fall off the first page.

        For your sake I hope this does not happen and if it doesn't please let me know!
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        • Profile picture of the author RustyBrown
          Your BMR links are no more
          It is hard to believe everyone is going to also receive a penalty from google seeing literally thousands of big ecommerce sites were using blog networks as atleast part of their seo strategy. It is bad enough we lost thousands of pounds worth of permanant links.
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      • Profile picture of the author jdooley13
        Originally Posted by singaporeasiaco View Post

        ouch. so you're saying that Google picked out the most promoted keyword for an penalized it... and that nothing has happened for the rest?

        I hope mine will be ok too! i've got 2 sites heavily marketed by BMR... but their rankings are still steady at the moment.

        Sigh, we'll see...
        I think it may be just that I lost the most backlinks with that keyword since I had built the most backlinks to that keyword. I just checked and that keyword had dropped 5 more spots but I have actually risen on a couple of others (only a spot or two). So, right now is main keyword tanked, two others slight drop and a couple higher.
        I am hoping no penalties are coming just a drop from losing the backlinks. I have been doing a lot of manual blog commenting since yesterday so maybe at some point, that will offset somewhat the loss of the backlinks. I have also posted a lot of indexed articles from my website to ezinearticles, goarticles and made one squidoo lens. I am just hoping some of this will help.
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  • Profile picture of the author OliviaSSLGuru
    You should stop BMR as Google is being penalizing those web site and getting dropped from top ranking of Google.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kevin McNally
    I have a few sites with hundreds of links from BMR, not noticed any rankings change yet but for sure the penalty will come. The sites I promoted recently with BMR have not increased in rankings so the penalty was probably applied some time last month.
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  • Profile picture of the author DPM70
    "The sites I promoted recently with BMR have not increased in rankings so the penalty was probably applied some time last month. "

    I've also noticed that with sites worked on more recently with BMR. I wonder if there is a penalty as such or simply a de-valuing of the links, as they didn't seem to do anything much in the first place.
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    • Profile picture of the author singaporeasiaco
      Originally Posted by DPM70 View Post

      "The sites I promoted recently with BMR have not increased in rankings so the penalty was probably applied some time last month. "

      I've also noticed that with sites worked on more recently with BMR. I wonder if there is a penalty as such or simply a de-valuing of the links, as they didn't seem to do anything much in the first place.
      Have your rankings fallen at all?
      The keywords that I have been promoting in the last few weeks have been Google dancing and have not stabalized yet.
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  • Profile picture of the author dp40oz
    Haven't fallen yet. But its coming folks. It takes a few days for Google to start realizing all these links are gone.
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    • Profile picture of the author RustyBrown
      adwords wins again lol (evil laugh)
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  • Profile picture of the author RayW
    No "penalty" is going to come. The sites will just drop in rankings because their backlinks from BMR have been deindexed, not because they are penalized by Google (duh)...
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    • Profile picture of the author rjd1265
      Originally Posted by RayW View Post

      No "penalty" is going to come. The sites will just drop in rankings because their backlinks from BMR have been deindexed, not because they are penalized by Google (duh)...
      Correct. Everyone talks about penalty. Your sites drop because all the backlinks you created are now gone. Once you build more backlinks your stie will rise again. There is not penalty here...
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    • Profile picture of the author RustyBrown
      Originally Posted by RayW View Post

      No "penalty" is going to come. The sites will just drop in rankings because their backlinks from BMR have been deindexed, not because they are penalized by Google (duh)...
      I know, can you believe the nonsense that some people come out with on here.

      So what have you all been doing? Watching your keywords drop like a stone or buying new links quick to keep them propped up? Why just give in?
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  • Profile picture of the author Rukshan
    My rankings are same for used sites. BMR worked well. That's why Google took an action.
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  • Profile picture of the author outwest
    Backlinks disappearing, penalizes your site, so you are saying thats not a penalty? then what is it? a bonus?
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    • Profile picture of the author jdooley13
      Originally Posted by outwest View Post

      Backlinks disappearing, penalizes your site, so you are saying thats not a penalty? then what is it? a bonus?

      Backlinks disappear all the time. Just because google took action against BMR that resulted in my loss of backlinks is not a penalty against me. It is no different than if 100 blog owners decided to remove my blog comments today. If all google does is deindex the sites and cause me to lose the backlinks, I can replace them and move back up the SERPS. On the other hand, if I receive a penalty from them, nothing I can do will remove that penalty until google decides to remove it.
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  • Profile picture of the author yoshi74
    There may actually be a strange twist about to happen here for those who used BMR to bolster their sites.

    It depends on how you actually view the progression of Google updates.

    From what I have read on 'good authority' the previous Google updates in Feb placed a number of penalties on over optimised keywords in link building. So for example if you built 100 links to a site with 'blue widgets' then you would get penalised for unnatural linking.

    My guess is that for many who were suffering from this over optimization penalty and used BMR it could prove actually prove a blessing.

    With all the BMR sites being de indexed you might suffer a loss of link juice but could in some cases actually help to balance out your link profile.

    This assumes that BMR was used to repeatedly target hard keywords (typical usage) and you have other link variations from other sources in existence.
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  • Profile picture of the author outwest
    Yes but if you are losing backlinks that are HIGH PR, thats not the same as bunch of PR0
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  • Profile picture of the author bgordon
    I was wondering if anyone in this thread has considered having BMR actually drop the posts from their sites. I would have thought that they just deleted all the sites themselves but they offer you a way to submit your domain names to have all the posts for just that domain immediately deleted.
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  • Profile picture of the author mrtrance
    So I went in and requested all links to be removed, but is there a way to tell if the links were removed? I mean you can go in there and do it multiple times and it will the same message that the links to be deleted have been queued, but nothing really that say there were deleted.

    Do we need to just delete all the domains from our accounts as well? Anyone done this yet?
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    • Profile picture of the author aktommy
      My new site I built 3 months ago has tanked from the number two spot to the 500+ rank. I used BMR as the primary link building source. I am kind of devastated although it is a learning lesson for me. I will never use just one service for link building, ill be going back to article submissions and guest posting, and maybe some fiverr edu gigs etc. It is really painful seeing my site that is full of great content sitting in the abyss of google. Not sure how to proceed at this point, scared my site is in the sandbox forever now.
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      • Profile picture of the author razorhound
        Originally Posted by aktommy View Post

        My new site I built 3 months ago has tanked from the number two spot to the 500+ rank. I used BMR as the primary link building source. I am kind of devastated although it is a learning lesson for me. I will never use just one service for link building, ill be going back to article submissions and guest posting, and maybe some fiverr edu gigs etc. It is really painful seeing my site that is full of great content sitting in the abyss of google. Not sure how to proceed at this point, scared my site is in the sandbox forever now.
        It could be Google Dancing for a 3 month old site.
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        • Profile picture of the author Architex
          My main KW is gone. Luckily I suck at KW research and I never got that much traffic from it anyway. I did get the unnatural link message so I will be curious what happens when it is all said and done. I have always gotten more traffic form a lot of different KW that I never built links for. I guess my on page stuff and them not being high competition KW and low search KW is why I rank for them. I will be curious if I drop for these as well. If I do, time to start over.
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        • Profile picture of the author aktommy
          Originally Posted by razorhound View Post

          It could be Google Dancing for a 3 month old site.
          Yea it could be dancing right now, I still have a lot of organic backlinks out there. I think I had around 50 BMR 150 worders submitted over the 3 month period since this site went live.
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        • Profile picture of the author AndyBlackSEO
          Originally Posted by razorhound View Post

          It could be Google Dancing for a 3 month old site.
          Pretty big dance though... 2 to 500+ :-) That's more like a 24hr non-stop Foxtrot.

          My advice would be to continue building links slowly, using conventional methods and monitor your rank weekly. In time you could get back to your top spot, and probably in a more 'permanent' fashion too.
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  • Profile picture of the author TKay1
    I have 3 sites that all depended quite heavily on BMR links. 2 of them have not seen any change in SERP yet (still #3 and #5 respectively). The third site has fallen from #2 to ~#30. Should have diversified the links, but i got greedy...
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  • Profile picture of the author Kelvin12
    All you need to do now is start building links from other sources.
    I've analyzed some of my competitors and discovered that a few of them have links from blogs too (as well as article directories).
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  • Profile picture of the author Robert Brauer
    Bump. Anyone else seen rankings drop?

    Only one of my sites has taken a hit (about 4 places from #1 to #5)...but we'll see....
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  • Profile picture of the author dp40oz
    It'll be a slow process but sites will drop. Search engines are notoriously slow for discounting backlinks. They are much faster in counting links then discounting them. They don't always discount them on the first pass of a page. There used to be link building strategies where guys would wait for links to get indexed then trade them around tons of different sites. So at one time your site would only have 5-10 links actually pointing to it but you'd be trading and switching with 1000's of sites so Google thought you had 1000's of indexed links. It works but becomes a never ending strategy.
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  • Profile picture of the author JeanneLynn
    I have two sites that I used BMR on. They haven't dropped yet, but I'm sure that they will eventually. I haven't removed the BMR links. I don't plan to remove the BMR links either. I made the mistake; I'll go down with the ship. I'm not sure what will happen with the sites.

    I'm just moving on to a couple fresh sites now. I'm not going to do any additional work on the sites that I used BMR right now. I'll just wait and see how the penalty plays out. Maybe they'll be okay, maybe they won't. I guess we'll see.

    In the meantime, I'm just doing manual blog commenting for backlinks. And I'm going to make sure that they're good and long comments. Live and learn, I suppose.
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  • Profile picture of the author danb12
    So if your site has already had a rank drop, then you remove the links, do you still have a chance of recovering?????
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  • Profile picture of the author tylerjaysen
    you know it's too early to tell how this BMR shutting down will effect your ranks.
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    • Profile picture of the author CyberAlien
      Originally Posted by tylerjaysen View Post

      you know it's too early to tell how this BMR shutting down will effect your ranks.
      I think it's pretty safe to say that it will hurt your ranks
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  • Profile picture of the author Rukshan
    Today, MNS which used BMR posts dropped to #10 from #5th. This is the only site that i used BMR posts as backlinks.
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  • Profile picture of the author josephseeley
    One of my competitors who's backlink profile was largely BMR has actually gone up in rankings recently. Maybe they'd drop soon, or maybe everyone else was using BMR even more... but there's really no way of knowing how this will affect any given site's ranking until it actually does.
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    • Profile picture of the author Dellco
      It's really strange, because it's all over the place for me right now. Some keywords promoted with BMR have actually improved, and dropped for others (not a large drop).

      But I did not really use BMR like crazy (I always wrote everything everything myself, never outsourced)....so I am hoping that with the deletion of the links from the BMR sites, that it should solve the problem.

      Also, keywords that were NOT promoted with BMR are better than ever....which means that the "penalty" is just from the loss of links. There is no need to freak out from the GWT messages.

      Unless Google wants to get personal with you and openly encourage negative SEO, which I doubt....

      Actually..... it would be great if the BMR owner would come here and let us know how long it would take for us to delete the links, because it just says "queued".....

      Or better still, just delete all the sites himself from the network, and consign the deindexed domains to, well,.....the bin. Deleting the blogs would also delete all the links.

      I do believe Google may have developed a crawler to trawl ALL the deindexed sites and then send out the GWT messages to the sites linked from them. That is why deleting the deindexed sites completely, is the best thing that BMR and other blog network owners should be doing NOW. Those deindexed sites shouldn't even be staying up.
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  • Profile picture of the author AshleyTurner
    Hey guys, I've used BMR heavily on 6 of my sites and this is the feedback from what's happened to me:

    SITE RANKING CHANGES
    Received a 'notice of detected unnatural links' on 18th March for 4 out of 6 domains.
    22nd March 1 website dropped between 1 to 8 spots for the target keywords
    23rd March 2 more websites experienced similar drops

    MIGHT NOT BE A PENALTY
    When doing a rank check on around 200 keywords it seems there was a lot of ups and downs on the whole list, consistently though the BMR post keywords were the ones that dropped the most (or contained long/short tail variations), however, some terms that I had good natural links on have held. This suggests to me that the so called penalty or drop to the keywords was just related to the link juice passed from BMR Keywords and maybe we will suffer a bit from the authority passed on too on a smaller scale.

    Time will tell if the notice in webmaster tools is actually a penalty that is coming in the weeks to come.

    ALGO UPDATE
    Keep in mind the release Cutts did this week on 'targeting over optimized sites', this is coming in a week or so, be prepared for that too otherwise your rankings will go bananas and you won't know what to fix, links, keywords the lot.

    ROUGH IDEAS
    Get rid of the BMR links ASAP
    Continue building quality links to the site to maintain velocity
    MASSIVELY diversify anchor text, using domain name, generic terms, long tails etc
    Use tools to bring down on-site keyword density to a green level

    Hope my thoughts were helpful! I may try submitting one of the sites for reinclusion that had not traffic anyway, worth a punt on something thats not my money site
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  • Profile picture of the author nicedood
    I have one site that was being promoted heavily on BMR over the last 3 months. The site had risen to #1 for almost all my targeted keywords and I started working on some new keywords.

    The same day that BMR was deindexed my site dropped out of the SERPS for the newer keywords but remained strong for the main keywords. This is probably because I have a good amount of backlinks from other sources to those pages as well.

    Today, I got the "unnatural links" message, but the site is still in the top 3-5 for my main keywords.

    I deleted my posts at BMR and am waiting for that. Should I respond to the "unnatural links" message? Does getting this message indicate an impending de-indexing? Should I just chalk this one up to experience and abandon this site? I guess only time will tell.
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  • Profile picture of the author RustyBrown
    hat is why deleting the deindexed sites completely, is the best thing that BMR and other blog network owners should be doing NOW

    > BMR should think of their customers and nuke their entire network. People having to wait for links to removed is rediculous.
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  • Profile picture of the author RustyBrown
    It could be Google Dancing for a 3 month old site.

    > there is no Google dancing anymore, his site tanked to 500 as without incoming links on the same anchor text it looks to Google like your sites got the plague.
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  • Profile picture of the author RustyBrown
    MASSIVELY diversify anchor text, using domain name, generic terms, long tails etc


    > No point, only direct match keyword achor texts work effectivly, making loads of long tail ones just costs loads of money to try and please Google. I doubt they will penalise on anchor text but rather on sites held up with links that have a high bounce rate, i.e implies poor content. I am not going to be diversifying my anchor text it costs too much money and doesnt work.
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  • Profile picture of the author RustyBrown
    So what are you all doing to get unnatural link warnings?
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  • Profile picture of the author StanTman
    I have not seen any movement yet on 2 of my sites I used in BMR. I had about 60% BMR links on one site and 100% on another.
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    • Profile picture of the author snuguy
      What does BMR mean? and how does it work?

      thank you guys...

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  • Profile picture of the author RustyBrown
    Stan, turn your cookies off and look again.
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  • Profile picture of the author RustyBrown
    My advice would be to continue building links slowly, using conventional methods and monitor your rank weekly. In time you could get back to your top spot, and probably in a more 'permanent' fashion too.


    > We bow before you OH GOOGLE
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  • Profile picture of the author RustyBrown
    the penalty is not permanent, but it will be at least 30 days I think



    > What? Google going to give you all your BMR link juice back in 30 days lol?
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  • Profile picture of the author RustyBrown
    Why do you all think its acceptable for Google to penalise you for using BMR?

    Everyone was paying top dollar to get professional writers to write unique articles for the benefit of Google and everybody to read in which we advertised a link within that article that we bought and paid for to be displayed on someone elses site. What the hell is wrong with that? Why the hell should anyone be penalised for that? Its not like we were spamming Google with spun crap like everybody else, we were contributing to the overall content on Google and why shouldnt we get a bit of link juice back as a return for that effort?

    Google should apologise to BMR and give us all our link juice back.
    This is all about getting people on adwords. You all have every right to demand a refund from Google. If they applied a penalty on top of that I for one would never use adwords again out of principle. I chose BMR as I thought Google would actually like them in comparison to the rest as they insist on good, readable, useable, unique content.
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    • Profile picture of the author mosthost
      Originally Posted by RustyBrown View Post

      Why do you all think its acceptable for Google to penalise you for using BMR?

      Everyone was paying top dollar to get professional writers to write unique articles for the benefit of Google and everybody to read in which we advertised a link within that article that we bought and paid for to be displayed on someone elses site. What the hell is wrong with that?
      You were paying writers to write articles for 'Google' and 'everyone' to read. I guess that's one way of putting it!
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  • Profile picture of the author RustyBrown
    You were paying writers to write articles for 'Google' and 'everyone' to read. I guess that's one way of putting it!



    >> well of course it is! Thats exactly what we were doing. Blimey, the BMR articles were well written unique content, if I pay for the article and its good why the hell cant I be allowed to put one link in it and pay to put it on someone elses site? Google have lost the plot, everyones spinning garbage 300 times and spamming it to directories and Google goes and slaps down BMR!
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  • Profile picture of the author RustyBrown
    Listen guys, get a backbone!
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  • Profile picture of the author RustyBrown
    BMR was reputable blog network for people who wanted to post great unique content, but Google nuked it because some people were using it to Build their Rank for SEO.

    BTW, if BMR didnt have an affiliate program and werent shouting from the rooftops I think they would still be here. I bet all those link networks they took down had affiliate programs. Lets make a deal with Matt Cutts, as their is nothing wrong with posting great unique content on Google with a link in and even paying to put that great article with a link in on someones elses site, will You leave private blog clubs alone if they are not boasting they are doing it for SEO reasons and have affiliate programs with big banners boasting the same?

    Yes or no?.....
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  • Profile picture of the author Buyseech
    I believe that if you used BMR and have fallen drastically now that its gone, that you are in luck. I believe that BMR was not a good option to begin with. You will easily rank there again, if you use quality content with far less backlinks.

    I used BMR myself but quit after I got the reports for the 1st month.

    I wrote a post about my view on the entire subject just a few hours ago, so I invite you to check out my view on how Google declares war on paid backlink services.

    Hope it helps and clears up some issues.

    Sincerely, Buyseech
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  • Profile picture of the author RustyBrown
    Google declares war on paid backlink services.


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    its been a long war then.
    Two way links dont work, people will only naturally link to stupid comical stuff like blogs, so what is a great commercial site to do that is far better than some blog slagging off George Bush that has 20.000 links from Bush haters when the commercial site is in a different league, but can only get a fraction of that share of natural links, unless they buy them or atleast post great unique content on services like BMR? Google hasnt a clue, needs to rethink the whole thing. Matt.
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  • Profile picture of the author RustyBrown
    Google declares war on paid backlink ser



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    silence is golden
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  • Profile picture of the author Jeff Snyder
    I used BMR on about 5 sites. Each site dropped a few spots in the rankings for certain keywords, stayed the same for a few, and moved up for a couple kws.

    I never received a message in Webmaster tools and have a variety of link sources to all of the sites.

    None of them were deindexed or anything, but it makes sense that they would drop a few spots. The kws that dropped were the ones that had a large # of exact-match links from BMR, which makes perfect sense.

    I don't believe this is a penalty but just a result of those links no longer passing juice, so the sites dropped to the space they would be without ever having BMR links. This shows the importance of link diversity. If you were 100% reliant on BMR, i'm sure your hit was much worse than mine.
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    he kws that dropped were the ones that had a large # of exact-match links from BMR, which makes perfect sense.


    >> What would you say your percentage of exact match keywords/anchor text was? Do you not find only exact match really works?
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    “What am I bringing to the table with this article? What value does this content add?”. If the answer is “None!”


    > if blogs with loads of professionally written content cant get search traffic thats as much googles fault as it is BMR. I know people spent thousands of pounds getting top quality articles written for that blog network, it should have been respected in Googles eyes atleast for that reason.
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