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time to rethink linkbuilding strategies post BMR closing

by high_plains_drifter
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I know this is a bit of a no brainer but quality links are very very important and even more so in todays internet, with google clamping down on public blog networks its probably going to make a lot of people loss some ranking.

Im really starting to think that i might just start all over and go back to the beginning and start practicing how to gain truly high quality links.

Which basically means scrap buying pretty much any service from WF, coz most of them just offer the same ol low quality sh*t.

Also stop -

link building with tools
link building with blog networks (unless they are private or i own them myself)

I would like to just concentrate on organic link building which starts with high quality content.

The problem is, keeping all my sites loaded with quality content AND doing high quality linkbuilding for every site is just simply too much time MONEY

Which leads me to think that i should just go right back to the drawing board, pick ONE site and stick with it.

what are your thoughts on this, anyone else had the same thoughts?

I want a sustainable site, not something thats jumping around on googles beg and call. I havent lost rankings yet, and my earnings are only slightly lower but i have a feeling we will all see a broad drop in ranks from using BMR

its not all i used but it was certainly a healthy chunk of my monthly link building efforts
#bmr #closing #linkbuilding #post #rethink #strategies #time
  • Profile picture of the author high_plains_drifter
    no thoughts anyone?
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  • Profile picture of the author sovereignn
    I think you may be over thinking it for the moment at least... There hasn't been too much evidence of major link devaluation

    Right now the huge problem is just deindexed backlinks from the blog networks



    Although as always when using tools make sure you're being careful as well as smart with your strategies
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  • Profile picture of the author mosthost
    Link building could end up being a waste of money in the long run.

    Building websites isn't as lucrative as it used to be, especially for websites that rely solely on Google traffic. Selling a product and building a customer base/list is more work, but worth more in the long run.

    Even 'high quality' content is no guarantee of a successful money making website. Plan to build a whole business this time and put all your efforts into it.

    That way you can plan on promotions other that through search engines.
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  • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
    Nothing has changed. SEO is no different this week than it was last week.

    Getting top rankings is all about getting good high quality backlinks. Nothing has changed about that in a long time.
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    • Profile picture of the author nik0
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      Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

      Nothing has changed. SEO is no different this week than it was last week.

      Getting top rankings is all about getting good high quality backlinks. Nothing has changed about that in a long time.
      A good amount of BMR and High PR society article posts were a great replacement for quality links.

      You know just as well as me how hard (or expensive) it is to find quality backlinks when you don't own your own network.

      - A professional Press Release will cost somewhere around $300,-
      - Guest blogging isn't for everyone and requires a lot of time to find some + cost for writing the article
      - E-mailing webmasters is also a lot harder then it looks at first sight, most ignore the mails
      - A PR3 link through linkbrokers cost on average $15 up until $30/ month

      So what's left? These sites where you can rent 100 homepage links for $100/month with 100 Outbound links on each site?

      Personally I'm just waiting till the storm settles a bit and just continue what I'm doing, finding the article distribution networks that DO work. After all ALN only had a 25% deindex rate and high PR society are building up their network again, and there are a few others that are hardly touched, LinkVana for example.
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      • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
        Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

        A good amount of BMR and High PR society article posts were a great replacement for quality links.
        I'll disagree. They were great for IP diversity. Nothing else.
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        • Profile picture of the author nik0
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          Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

          I'll disagree. They were great for IP diversity. Nothing else.
          If you havent used BMR or HighPRsociety yourself and witnessed the huge ranking increases with your own eye's you have no right to say anything about it.

          Not talking about the people who do 1 post a day. Talking about people like me who post a minimum of 300 posts a month for each site
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          • Profile picture of the author high_plains_drifter
            Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

            A good amount of BMR and High PR society article posts were a great replacement for quality links.

            You know just as well as me how hard (or expensive) it is to find quality backlinks when you don't own your own network.

            - A professional Press Release will cost somewhere around $300,-
            - Guest blogging isn't for everyone and requires a lot of time to find some + cost for writing the article
            - E-mailing webmasters is also a lot harder then it looks at first sight, most ignore the mails
            - A PR3 link through linkbrokers cost on average $15 up until $30/ month

            So what's left? These sites where you can rent 100 homepage links for $100/month with 100 Outbound links on each site?

            Personally I'm just waiting till the storm settles a bit and just continue what I'm doing, finding the article distribution networks that DO work. After all ALN only had a 25% deindex rate and high PR society are building up their network again, and there are a few others that are hardly touched, LinkVana for example.
            yes this is exactly my problem, is all good and well people saying, just concentrate on high quality backlinks but i sometimes think they forgot how hard and expensive it is to get HQBL

            like you said, $300 for a press release, and then you are looking at $100 minimum for a decent article.

            marketing that article will cost $100-200

            thats just one bit of content on one site.

            If i want to go this route, and i really do want to create a very high quality website im going to have to put all my money and time into just 1 site
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            • Profile picture of the author nik0
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              Originally Posted by high_plains_drifter View Post

              yes this is exactly my problem, is all good and well people saying, just concentrate on high quality backlinks but i sometimes think they forgot how hard and expensive it is to get HQBL

              like you said, $300 for a press release, and then you are looking at $100 minimum for a decent article.

              marketing that article will cost $100-200

              thats just one bit of content on one site.

              If i want to go this route, and i really do want to create a very high quality website im going to have to put all my money and time into just 1 site
              Absolutely, when taking this approach there is no money/time to invest in sites that will make $100/month or less.

              The ****ty thing is, I was thinking about PPC and other paid advertisment options, but with this Google terrorizing more people will be forced to chose that path, which will higher the PPC auction type of systems higher and higher till no one can afford it but only the HUGE companies that make the largest margins of all.

              Is that what they mean with "Globalization", making it the normal people impossible to make a decent income.
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          • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
            Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

            If you havent used BMR or HighPRsociety yourself and witnessed the huge ranking increases with your own eye's you have no right to say anything about it.

            Not talking about the people who do 1 post a day. Talking about people like me who post a minimum of 300 posts a month for each site
            Whoever said I didn't use them? I used BMR up until about October. And I was posting closer to 500 times a month there.

            I never touched High PR Society because I always stay away from networks that allow spun garbage to be posted.

            I still stand by what I said. Networks biggest benefit was in the IP diversity they provided.
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            • Profile picture of the author nik0
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              Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

              Whoever said I didn't use them? I used BMR up until about October. And I was posting closer to 500 times a month there.

              I never touched High PR Society because I always stay away from networks that allow spun garbage to be posted.

              I still stand by what I said. Networks biggest benefit was in the IP diversity they provided.
              Earlier you said: "I'll disagree. They were great for IP diversity. Nothing else."

              Now you say their biggest benefit is IP diversity, while I do agree that IS a huge benefit, you must have also experienced the ranking benefit (especially if you've been doing 500 BMR posts a month).
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              • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
                Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

                Earlier you said: "I'll disagree. They were great for IP diversity. Nothing else."

                Now you say their biggest benefit is IP diversity, while I do agree that IS a huge benefit, you must have also experienced the ranking benefit (especially if you've been doing 500 BMR posts a month).
                I stopped using BMR back in October. Of course it was not the only thing I did for the sites I used it on. That would be foolish.

                But my rankings for those sites have not changed since I stopped using BMR (long after the posts rolled off the high PR homepages). So yeah, I still say the biggest advantage was the IP diversity offered.
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  • Profile picture of the author lukemeister
    If somebody plans on using stuff like BMR to cut corners, they need to be ready to find another way to cut corners when that is done. Nothing wrong with that if that's the way you want to operate.

    For me, the shut down of these blog networks shows me that contextual links in blog posts do definitely work, and tells me that Google plans on keeping contextual links as a rankings signal for a while to come so they wanted to shut down some of the easy ways to abuse that. So just find better ways to get contextual links from blog posts. Guest blogging is one idea that would work.
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  • Profile picture of the author tylerherman
    I think niche sites are more tests than anything. If you find a subject that is getting traffic fairly easy and makes money, you should then ramp it up and turn that into an actual authority website. Personally, I think the current niche market is going to begin to dry up

    You may only have 2-3 website that fit the description out of 100. Let the 97 others rest and build on the ones you know you can make profitable.

    And like mosthost said above, you should be building a business not just throwing some content, as great as it may seem, up on a website and hope it makes money.
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  • Profile picture of the author mosthost
    Nothing has changed?

    54% of my referrers are now hidden, meaning the searchers are 'logged in' when they search.

    That means personalization went WAY UP in the last 30 days. Google consolidated everyone's privacy policies from all of their different properties and now know EVERYTHING about surfers.

    In a few months Google might not rely on backlinks at all, at least not to the degree they do now.

    If you're still getting Google traffic (like I am), you need to set up your sales funnel and collect as much data as you can and serve your visitors and turn them into clients.

    Lots more loopholes are going to be shut down by Google soon. The blood bath is just getting started. IMHO, of course
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  • Profile picture of the author razza
    you can do manual link building by finding prospects and writing guest posts
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  • Profile picture of the author Letsurf
    So will posting high quality content of 500+ words on various sites like the following work?

    1. Wordpress.com
    2. blog.posterous.com
    3. squidoo.com
    4. hubpages.com

    Couldn't you then go out and do forum profiles, posting, blog posting, bookmarking to build the authority of those?
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    • Profile picture of the author nik0
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      Originally Posted by Letsurf View Post

      So will posting high quality content of 500+ words on various sites like the following work?

      1. Wordpress.com
      2. blog.posterous.com
      3. squidoo.com
      4. hubpages.com

      Couldn't you then go out and do forum profiles, posting, blog posting, bookmarking to build the authority of those?
      Exactly what I'm planning to do more and more, figuring out which free blogs don't remove your blog cause they think it is spam, and then building as many diverse automated backlinks to it. BUT watchout with scrapebox, they will hurt your blogs just as they hurt your money site.
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      • Profile picture of the author Letsurf
        Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

        Exactly what I'm planning to do more and more, figuring out which free blogs don't remove your blog cause they think it is spam, and then building as many diverse automated backlinks to it. BUT watchout with scrapebox, they will hurt your blogs just as they hurt your money site.
        When you're referring to scrapebox you're talking about posting 100's of blog posts right? But... Using scrapebox to find High PR blogs to post to manually would be OK right?
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        • Profile picture of the author nik0
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          Originally Posted by Letsurf View Post

          When you're referring to scrapebox you're talking about posting 100's of blog posts right? But... Using scrapebox to find High PR blogs to post to manually would be OK right?
          Yeah those blogpages with 2000 comments indeed. Manual commenting would be better, especially if you do it at relevant blogs, or at blogs with a high PR that are protected by the need of registering an account first (or filling in a captcha).
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  • Profile picture of the author josephseeley
    The fact that Google is going after these sites so hard pretty much proves that building links still works. Just find less obvious ways and continue ranking!
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  • Profile picture of the author martyJames
    All this talk about quality content doesnt NOT add up. Search for just about ANY term you think of any most of the no.1 ranked sites have VERY thin content. They are there because of backlinks and nothing else (i think!).

    Question for MikeFriedman , what are your recommendations to find quality backlinks?

    Cheers

    Marty
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  • Profile picture of the author boxoun
    Use varied linking sources. That's best practice for now. Too early to come up with new strategy. Time will tell what we need to do.
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  • Profile picture of the author dotgirish
    I always use link pyramids and other social signals and that is the one I sell too. What ever which we can make it a bit natural is what i am trying and its been working too..
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