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Im scared to DO SEO with all of the changes. Anyone else feel this way?

by coreytucker
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I just thought I knew what to do. I finally figured out a solid method to rank websites. But no with all of the changes im scared it's not working anymore. I mean the whole too much on site seo, gogle panda update etc. I feel so lost and the worst part is it's still changing.

I feel like not focusing on seo anymore. I had a plan to build 10 more amazon sites but now im thinking this might be a waste of time. I mean even if they rank for a few months things could change again. What are we to do? Does anyone know what to really do now?
#feel #scared #seo
  • Profile picture of the author nik0
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    Stop letting yourself get influenced by all this talk, most techniques still work as good as they did before. Just spread the risk when building links and all is fine. I really wonder if these threads ever end, I hardly made a change to my linkbuilding campaigns and I'm still ranking as strong as before, despite all the deindexing that took place. Life continues.

    The people that got effected always scream the loudest, I bet their are tons of people who haven't seen any changes in their rankings or just kept going strong. I work on 10 client sites at the moment and none of them have dropped.
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    • Profile picture of the author deucegmarketing
      Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

      Stop letting yourself get influenced by all this talk, most techniques still work as good as they did before
      ^This. I haven't changed much with my marketing methods for myself or my clients for the past 3 or so updates and still get good results. People either blow it out of proportion or just weren't marketing in the best way in the first place.
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  • Profile picture of the author Steadyon
    Yes.

    Well at least I have been for a few days. A very profitable site of a colleague just got a major slapping a few days ago.

    This is without any black hat stuff having taken place on an old, well established site.

    The only strategy I am beginning to lean towards is diversifying our tactics in the future and trying not to put too many eggs in one basket.

    Google doesn't owe any of us anything. But I also don't like to bullied and at times it does seem that way. I feel google prefers large well established organisations/websites and that they want businesses to use PPC etc.

    They are very clever, but oh so annoying.
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    • Profile picture of the author theverysmartguy
      Originally Posted by Steadyon View Post

      Yes.

      Well at least I have been for a few days. A very profitable site of a colleague just got a major slapping a few days ago.

      This is without any black hat stuff having taken place on an old, well established site.

      The only strategy I am beginning to lean towards is diversifying our tactics in the future and trying not to put too many eggs in one basket.

      Google doesn't owe any of us anything. But I also don't like to bullied and at times it does seem that way. I feel google prefers large well established organisations/websites and that they want businesses to use PPC etc.

      They are very clever, but oh so annoying.
      No offense, but I doubt it was a "slap" the most common reason behind falling of ranks is that either you lost some backlinks, or your backlinks were devalued in someway.

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  • Profile picture of the author IM Ash
    I just replied to another thread where I said that Google has achieved what they set out to do and that is to scare all SEOers.

    I've been reading the threads here and I can understand why you feel this way! Just jump off the forum and get back to the grind. Once you begin working again you will realize that SEO is far from dead and that will motivate you to continue with your plans.
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    • Profile picture of the author seolvl1
      being scared won't get you anywhere,

      making money is all about taking risks,

      it's the most important thing i learned in this forum.
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  • Profile picture of the author n_touch
    I myself have quite a few amazon sites and have seen no problems. The one thing that I see happening right now is that people are scared, and worried that the ways that they make their money are going to go away. I can truly understand this.

    The thing that you need to remember is that if you are doing things right then you should have no problems. I would almost guarantee that your friend that got a penalty did do something that was on the shady side. Google is not in the business of going after sites that are established and doing the right things.

    My advice to everyone is to let the dust settle, actually sit back and figure out why you are scared to keep going. Is it because you may loose everything? Or is it because the ways that you were using are not going to work anymore? This is a great time to be a SEO provider, and only going to make those that keep inline with the guide lines will see their sites get stronger day by day.
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  • Profile picture of the author jinx1221
    In a way, it's more important now than ever before to keep pressing on! Dont give google the satisfaction that we all are going to tuck our tails between our legs and be good, obedient little nazis for the Fuhrer! Pardon my continual arian references, but geez louise. Stop giving in to this propaganda that Google didnt create, but everyone who used BMR and whatever else as their sole strategy. Yeah, theyre gone, move on to bigger and better things!
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  • Profile picture of the author boxoun
    You have every right to be scared. The whole mindset of this forum is to do grey hat. Even the people who responded are delusional and think they are doing things the right way.

    Spread your risk and understand that when you are in the business to manipulate ranks, then do not get emotionally attached to sites.
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    • Profile picture of the author jinx1221
      Originally Posted by boxoun View Post

      You have every right to be scared. The whole mindset of this forum is to do grey hat. Even the people who responded are delusional and think they are doing things the right way.

      Spread your risk and understand that when you are in the business to manipulate ranks, then do not get emotionally attached to sites.
      No we dont have every right to be scared. Comments like yours make people afraid and second guess what they do in the first place. Seo is supposed to be fun, and it is an ever changing learning experience for everyone. You make it sound like we are doing something illegal, like running a bunch of meth labs or something. Everyone who puts a Meta tag is technically trying to manipulate the ranks.. big, name brand, multi-billion dollar companies hire seo companies to do what we are doing.. is that criminal? I think not. Go with the flow, diversify, learn, and expand!
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    • Profile picture of the author nik0
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      Originally Posted by boxoun View Post

      You have every right to be scared. The whole mindset of this forum is to do grey hat. Even the people who responded are delusional and think they are doing things the right way.

      Spread your risk and understand that when you are in the business to manipulate ranks, then do not get emotionally attached to sites.
      The whole mindset of the world is to do greyhat, every single professional SEO company that is charging their clients $5000 a year or $5000/month are using private networks of sites to rank sites, NOTHING whitehat about that.

      Do you think that I think that I am doing things the right way? The only right way is to write content that people like so they link back to you out of their own.

      I'm realistic enough to know this isn't the way as how Google has meant it but to bad for them cause they can't do a single thing about it cause if they could it would get hugely abused. We're playing a game with Google and now and then Google slaps back.

      If it comes to a point that new sites get slapped fast,
      I'll start buying aged domains, if they figure a way to find that out
      I'll start buying complete aged websites and build them out.

      You can game Google forever and they will never be able to stop it!
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Meaney
    The foundations of SEO don't change, stick with best practices and it'll be ok.
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  • Profile picture of the author cashtree
    To the OP thanks for making this thread and thanks to you guys for the quality answers.
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  • Profile picture of the author jinx1221
    They need us just as much as we need them. Without seo, search results would be chaos. But with seo comes manipulating results. But without manipulating results, they wouldn't know where or how they need to improve. Kind of like the matrix.. the machines need us to survive, yet they need to keep us happy so we dont just up and die or revolt against the system.
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    • Profile picture of the author theverysmartguy
      The thing about Google wanting us to use PPC is sorta right. They make money on that. HOWEVER, they make most of their moneys from the large corps with million dollar advertising budgets, not so much the small guys like us.

      If all they wanted was us to use their PPC then the search engine itself would be useless. People would just do their search and they would be presented with ads.

      SEO is always going to be here, Google knows it, and we know it.

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  • Profile picture of the author JSProjects
    Originally Posted by coreytucker View Post

    I just thought I knew what to do. I finally figured out a solid method to rank websites. But no with all of the changes im scared it's not working anymore. I mean the whole too much on site seo, gogle panda update etc. I feel so lost and the worst part is it's still changing.

    I feel like not focusing on seo anymore. I had a plan to build 10 more amazon sites but now im thinking this might be a waste of time. I mean even if they rank for a few months things could change again. What are we to do? Does anyone know what to really do now?
    Don't worry about it.

    People are freaking out a little too much IMO. Just diversify your backlinks and make sure your content is high quality.
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    • Profile picture of the author Steadyon
      Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

      The people that got effected always scream the loudest

      That's not surprising is it, especially if it hits their pockets.


      Originally Posted by n_touch View Post

      The thing that you need to remember is that if you are doing things right then you should have no problems. I would almost guarantee that your friend that got a penalty did do something that was on the shady side. Google is not in the business of going after sites that are established and doing the right things.
      "Should have no problems" - the emphasis here is on the word "should".

      My friends site was totally white hat. He doesn't even know what the word black hat means.


      Originally Posted by jinx1221 View Post

      You make it sound like we are doing something illegal, like running a bunch of meth labs or something. Everyone who puts a Meta tag is technically trying to manipulate the ranks.. big, name brand, multi-billion dollar companies hire seo companies to do what we are doing.. is that criminal? I think not. Go with the flow, diversify, learn, and expand!

      I don't think he was trying to if he did. I think we all accept that seo can be sometimes a little sneaky to try and get some google love.


      Originally Posted by theverysmartguy View Post

      No offense, but I doubt it was a "slap" the most common reason behind falling of ranks is that either you lost some backlinks, or your backlinks were devalued in someway.
      -- Jeff

      Perhaps, but considering he has only ever allowed his content to get naturally linked too, over 10 years, it seems the cause is something else and who knows maybe google has over-cooked it again. He has certainly never done any link building and looking at his in coming links there is nothing shady.

      Originally Posted by jinx1221 View Post

      They need us just as much as we need them. Without seo, search results would be chaos. But with seo comes manipulating results. But without manipulating results, they wouldn't know where or how they need to improve. Kind of like the matrix.. the machines need us to survive, yet they need to keep us happy so we dont just up and die or revolt against the system.

      I don't think google needs us at all. For every site that gets seo'd, there are probably dozens more that don't. They are usually full of decent content and google would be more than happy to have those show in the prime results, for its end users.
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