Fiverr Gigs Leave a CLEAR FOOTPRINT

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A warning for you all running Analytics or Adsense and order Fiverr gigs:

Fiverr gigs leave TWO clear footprints, one when you order and one when the gig owner manage the gig.

The first footprint is a check (CURL something) from a Fiverr standard IPm just after you pay.

The second footprint includes the Fiverr url and the GIG owner NAME (userid) plus MANAGE word, so it is VERY easy for Google to know what you are doing.

Just FYI.
#clear #fiverr #footprint #gigs #leave
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    • Profile picture of the author cagliostro
      Originally Posted by retsek View Post

      ^ Bull****
      Bull is what you write and not mine. So edit your post please.
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      • Profile picture of the author styledoesmatter
        I second the BS. This makes no sense.

        If I buy a blog post review/link from a webmaster on Fiverr where is the footprint for Google exactly?
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        • Profile picture of the author cagliostro
          Originally Posted by styledoesmatter View Post

          I second the BS. This makes no sense.

          If I buy a blog post review/link from a webmaster on Fiverr where is the footprint for Google exactly?
          Guys you have NO IDEA what you are saying.
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      • Profile picture of the author cagliostro
        Here is the first footprint:

        2012-04-03 17:21:09 W3SVC433 WEB34 00.000.0.00 HEAD / - 80 - 50.56.250.5 HTTP/1.1 curl/7.19.7+(x86_64-pc-linux-gnu)+libcurl/7.19.7+OpenSSL/0.9.8k+zlib/1.2.3.3+libidn/1.15 - - www.mywebsite.com 200 0 0 561 162 561


        Here is the second footprint:

        2012-04-03 17:16:49 W3SVC433 WEB34 00.00.000.0 GET / - 80 - 87.194.102.68 HTTP/1.1 Mozilla/5.0+(Windows+NT+6.1)+AppleWebKit/535.19+(KHTML,+like+Gecko)+Chrome/18.0.1025.142+Safari/535.19 - Login to Fiverr.com/FO32C4766267 www.mywebsite.com 200 0 0 10745 460 920


        (50.56.250.5 is Fiverr)

        and the zeroes are the website IPs (i have edited them to hide them) !!
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    • Profile picture of the author orpaz191
      Originally Posted by retsek View Post

      ^ Bull****
      Like :p hh
      They don't track what you buy and they don't connect it to your website.
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  • Profile picture of the author JSProjects
    I'm not following.

    I'm sure plenty of gigs can leave a footprint depending on the tactics used to build the links. but I'm not sure what you mean, exactly. ??
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    • Profile picture of the author cagliostro
      Originally Posted by JSProjects View Post

      I'm not following.

      I'm sure plenty of gigs can leave a footprint depending on the tactics used to build the links. but I'm not sure what you mean, exactly. ??
      Read my post with the logs proof from my IIS server.
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  • Profile picture of the author Entrecon
    IF this is true, then you could see the same thing when someone orders one of my gigs and I don't do anything with SEO or link building. I just do site reviews and navigation videos.
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    • Profile picture of the author cagliostro
      Originally Posted by Entrecon View Post

      IF this is true, then you could see the same thing when someone orders one of my gigs and I don't do anything with SEO or link building. I just do site reviews and navigation videos.
      Yes, what you say is correct. But Fiverr definitely leave a HUGE and CLEAR footprint, i wanted to inform everybody because i consider this a problem IF you run Analytics or Adsense when you order.
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  • Profile picture of the author SpiderZq
    ok, if google will know this then whats wrong for us?
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  • Profile picture of the author cagliostro
    What is wrong with you guys !!

    I spend my time to give you some information, you say that is Bull* and after my proof you ask me what could that harm !

    Are you serious ? Do you have any idea about what you are doing ?
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  • Profile picture of the author Entrecon
    Based on the data from the log, this just looks like referral information. All that is getting logged is the visitor came from that IP. So, if I request something and say it looks like something on your site, you would also see it in your logs. One thing I suppose google could do if they were so inclined, is add it to their algorithm when identifying unnatural links.
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    • Profile picture of the author cagliostro
      Originally Posted by Entrecon View Post

      Based on the data from the log, this just looks like referral information. All that is getting logged is the visitor came from that IP. So, if I request something and say it looks like something on your site, you would also see it in your logs. One thing I suppose google could do if they were so inclined, is add it to their algorithm when identifying unnatural links.
      Also the full GIG is logged (name of seller).

      Well i don't know if google cares or not, but the refferal full details are there. It is very easy to see what we are doing.

      I'm not saying google does this right now but with all those "panda" updates we better be safe than sorry.

      And i'm sure it is not only footprint from Fiverr but also from all such websites or services.

      So many ask why the are deindexed, banned or punished, well ... that could be an explanation.
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      • Profile picture of the author aygabtu
        It only shows you went to fiverr. You could be going to fiverr for any number of services. Also, unless you host on the same network that you are accessing fiverr, google can't make a connection between you and your domains.
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        • Profile picture of the author cagliostro
          Originally Posted by aygabtu View Post

          It only shows you went to fiverr. You could be going to fiverr for any number of services. Also, unless you host on the same network that you are accessing fiverr, google can't make a connection between you and your domains.
          NO it shows your GIG Seller Name. And shows you ordered SOMETHING.
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          • Profile picture of the author aygabtu
            Originally Posted by cagliostro View Post

            NO it shows your GIG Seller Name. And shows you ordered SOMETHING.

            Your IIS logs are only for pages your website served. Google analytics DOES NOT track where you surfed so neither IIS or google analytics would show that you used your browser to go to fiverr and placed an order.

            Relax.
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            • Profile picture of the author cagliostro
              Originally Posted by aygabtu View Post

              Your IIS logs are only for pages your website served. Google analytics DOES NOT track where you surfed so neither IIS or google analytics would show that you used your browser to go to fiverr and placed an order.

              Relax.

              Analytics shows the REFERRER. That's all it needs.

              You have all that mixed in your mind, i never talked about MY VISITS to Fiverr (the buyer). I talked about the SELLER and FIVERR that check your website before the order.
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              • Profile picture of the author aygabtu
                Originally Posted by cagliostro View Post

                Analytics shows the REFERRER. That's all it needs.

                You have all that mixed in your mind, i never talked about MY VISITS to Fiverr (the buyer). I talked about the SELLER and FIVERR that check your website before the order.
                So, someone came to your site from fiverr. Do you really think google cares? Really? Maybe you hired them to build a logo, a video tutorial, do some coding, write a press release, etc.

                You're right though. I would suggest you stay away from fiverr. It's not for the faint of heart.
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  • Profile picture of the author InternetMillions
    How can google check your IIS server log?
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    • Profile picture of the author cagliostro
      Originally Posted by InternetMillions View Post

      How can google check your IIS server log?
      Google doesn't need to check your IIS logs.

      It has all that data in Analytics and in Adsense.

      That is why i said that IF you use one of them (or both). IF. IF.
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  • Profile picture of the author googlepanda
    Originally Posted by cagliostro View Post

    A warning for you all running Analytics or Adsense and order Fiverr gigs:

    Fiverr gigs leave TWO clear footprints, one when you order and one when the gig owner manage the gig.

    The first footprint is a check (CURL something) from a Fiverr standard IPm just after you pay.

    The second footprint includes the Fiverr url and the GIG owner NAME (userid) plus MANAGE word, so it is VERY easy for Google to know what you are doing.

    Just FYI.

    THANKS FOR THE IDEA!! :rolleyes:
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  • Profile picture of the author RyanLB
    This doesn't do anything SEO wise? It's just ref data as far as I can tell
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  • Profile picture of the author markowe
    Ha, OP, you bit off more than you could chew with this thread, I think 90% of people just didn't get what you were saying.

    It's a pretty far-out theory, even though I appreciate the idea. I mean, here's another one - what if Google looked at the keywords you researched in the Adwords keyword tool (you are logged into Google then, right?) and then analysed the sites you create (if you have Analytics or Adsense on them, or if they are registered in Webmaster Tools) - it could see whether you were just creating sites based on specific keywords and therefore just out to game the rankings.

    I mean, I guess what I am saying is, there is only so far you can take the theory of Google's omnipotence - and then it gets a bit pointless, you just have to get on with life...
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  • Profile picture of the author looking4adsense
    Surely Fiverr has other uses other than SEO? I'd bet SEO gigs are just a tiny portion of total Fiverr gigs. If google devoted any man power to write an algorithm to analyze this "foot print", I'd laugh in google's face.
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    • Profile picture of the author DPM70
      Originally Posted by looking4adsense View Post

      Surely Fiverr has other uses other than SEO? I'd bet SEO gigs are just a tiny portion of total Fiverr gigs. If google devoted any man power to write an algorithm to analyze this "foot print", I'd laugh in google's face.
      Really? Fiverr has become pretty important in the world of SPAMMY SEO in the last couple of years. Bigger than BMR and most of the other networks put together, in terms of Brand. If I was google I'd be looking at exactly what cagliostro has been talking about in this post. It would not take a Google employee a minute to rack up this kind of data and see the correlation between fiverr sellers and a site that had already been flagged for spammy backlinks.

      Of course, as googlepanda hints above - another possibly worrying scenario asserts itself.

      The boogeyman visited me today and I have Captain Paranoia sitting on my shoulder. I told him he was wrong - but I kept getting these niggling feelings.
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  • Profile picture of the author rjd1265
    No ****...what did you expect for $5.

    All you clowns out there who think paying a few bucks to get thousands of backlinks and get your site ranked should just take down your site and get a 9-5'er.

    Fiverr is a great place to get cheap videos made and a slut singing happy birthday to you....That is IT!

    Dont you think "Get 1,000 backlinks for $5" is too good to be true????
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  • Profile picture of the author markowe
    Oh, I just realised OP is definitely wrong about this, if the theory had any credence at all - those pings from Fiverr wouldn't trigger JavaScript, so that eliminates both Adsense and Analytics. They would only be registered by server-side logs, so it's OK, the danger is passed
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    • Profile picture of the author cagliostro
      Originally Posted by markowe View Post

      Oh, I just realised OP is definitely wrong about this, if the theory had any credence at all - those pings from Fiverr wouldn't trigger JavaScript, so that eliminates both Adsense and Analytics. They would only be registered by server-side logs, so it's OK, the danger is passed
      Again: it seems you have no idea about all that. That is not bad since with so many ignorant people here, some of us could do better business and eliminate some of the "competition".
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      • Profile picture of the author markowe
        Originally Posted by cagliostro View Post

        Again: it seems you have no idea about all that. That is not bad since with so many ignorant people here, some of us could do better business and eliminate some of the "competition".
        OK, please enlighten me - I am sure the competition won't harm you that much.

        If I fetch a page from a remote site using cURL or another method, that fetches the complete HTML content (+headers etc.) of the page in question, the JavaScript for Adsense and Analytics is just a bunch of letters sitting in the HTML code, completely dead. At what point does Fiverr execute the JavaScript on the client side and trigger Adsense and Analytics?

        Where are you seeing those pings from Fiverr? In Analytics? I really doubt that - I bet you are seeing them in a server-side stats program based on PHP or something, or in your server logs. But unless Analytics or Adsense are executed on the client side there is no way they can register those pings.

        If I am wrong then I will humbly admit I have learned something new.
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        • Profile picture of the author cagliostro
          Originally Posted by markowe View Post

          OK, please enlighten me - I am sure the competition won't harm you that much.

          Where are you seeing those pings from Fiverr? In Analytics? I really doubt that - I bet you are seeing them in a server-side stats program based on PHP or something, or in your server logs. But unless Analytics or Adsense are executed on the client side there is no way they can register those pings.

          If I am wrong then I will humbly admit I have learned something new.
          I see those in Analytics as Refferer, in my IIS (webserver logs) AND in my CMS events log (this is how i found out about it, since i don't check the huge webserver logs).

          I think i have said all i had to say about all that.
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  • Profile picture of the author Slaughter
    I don't think anyone would bother with these things for 3 bucks (after PP fee).

    Ignore it.
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    • Profile picture of the author markowe
      Originally Posted by Slaughter View Post

      I don't think anyone would bother with these things for 3 bucks (after PP fee).

      Ignore it.
      Bother with what things?

      (Hey, OP, at least we were having a proper discussion about the technical aspects of your theory, even if I disagree with you! Most people on this thread still don't understand what you were actually trying to say )
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      • Profile picture of the author Slaughter
        Originally Posted by markowe View Post

        Bother with what things?

        (Hey, OP, at least we were having a proper discussion about the technical aspects of your theory, even if I disagree with you! Most people on this thread still don't understand what you were actually trying to say )
        Bother with what these footprints are, and what they mean.

        Frankly, I have no idea what OP said. But I'm sure he did highlight something useful (for some).
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  • Profile picture of the author BigNorm
    I highly doubt Google is going to penalize someone for using fiverr. Fiverr in it's simplest form is nothing but any outsourcing service, there is no difference paying someone $5 to bookmark your site than there is to pay an SEO company hundreds or thousands of dollars a month for the same type of service or hiring a VA, the only real difference is professionalism in how they conduct their business, spam vs quality. That being said, I'm not saying that all fiver gigs are spammy either.

    How you use fiverr to outsource your business is entirely up to you. I use them for manual submission to bookmark sites, having simple videos created, having those videos uploaded to video sites, creating web 2.0 accounts...etc. The kind of jobs I don't want to have to deal with myself.
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    • Profile picture of the author shutterspeed
      Originally Posted by BigNorm View Post

      I highly doubt Google is going to penalize someone for using fiverr. Fiverr in it's simplest form is nothing but any outsourcing service, there is no difference paying someone $5 to bookmark your site than there is to pay an SEO company hundreds or thousands of dollars a month for the same type of service or hiring a VA, the only real difference is professionalism in how they conduct their business, spam vs quality. That being said, I'm not saying that all fiver gigs are spammy either.

      How you use fiverr to outsource your business is entirely up to you. I use them for manual submission to bookmark sites, having simple videos created, having those videos uploaded to video sites, creating web 2.0 accounts...etc. The kind of jobs I don't want to have to deal with myself.
      This is what I was thinking too.
      Lets assume that op is right, and G is tracking our use of Fiverr. Is there something in the rules that says you're not allowed to hire out SEO services? My guess would be "hell no", and in that case... I'm not sure I understand the danger here.

      Google dictates the requirements and rules for promoting your site.. not the implementation of those rules. Whether I order a spammy gig from Fiverr, or whip up a spammy script on my own.. the end result is the same: possible sanctions.

      That being said.. thanks to the OP for bringing it up.
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  • Profile picture of the author cardine
    It is not worth Google's time to manually check every fiver referrer and determine which ones are SEO gigs and which ones aren't. Furthermore judging something like that just off of referrer data is stupid because that sort of information can be faked very easily.

    I can just about guarantee you that this referrer data will not make a bit of a difference towards your Google rankings. Google has far more concrete things it can use to analyze whether you are buying links or not.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jordan Kovats
    So if I order a fiverr gig under Account name A and from IP 1.1.1.1, and, do the wise thing and not link the ordered service back to my money page, but some of my off site content instead, and my analytics is on a totally unrelated other account name, say, B2B, and my money site is hosted on ip 2.2.2.2 and is in a total different physical location then from where I ordered, and I only check my analytics from ip 3.3.3.3...where is the trouble?
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  • Profile picture of the author fitzpatg
    Better move this over to the "Tin Hatter" thread, LOL
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    • Profile picture of the author Steadyon
      Originally Posted by markowe View Post

      I mean, I guess what I am saying is, there is only so far you can take the theory of Google's omnipotence - and then it gets a bit pointless, you just have to get on with life...

      Not quite.

      You protect your ass.

      You don't order anything when using your normal IP address or when you are logged in to anything google related.

      Don't make it easy for the b@st@rds.
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      • Profile picture of the author Scott Lyons
        I'm with you guys. I just don't see a problem. So what if I order 5000 hits to my site from someone on Fiverr. The seller doesn't deliver the hits to my site through Fiverr, he just goes in and enters my URL into his traffic source. At that point, Fiverr is out of it. As far as Google and the Adsense (I don't use their analytics) on my site is concerned, maybe I made a funny post to my 5000 friends on Twitter or Facebook, etc. If they have a problem with that, then there's no point in ever using Adsense.
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  • dun dun duuuun.
    Is google once again closing in on marketers just out to make a simple living online?
    Will this maniacal battle against google ever end?
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  • Is this what some individuals referred to when they said that google "doesn't like 'likes' by Fiverr"?
    Because if google had access to Fiverr... well then Fiverr would quickly die from all the SEO work that would be sought for somewhere else
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  • Profile picture of the author harry911
    Google won't start penalizing people based on referral data. If it does then we can simply buy fiverr gigs for our competitors' sites !
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  • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
    The silliest thing about this thread is that where the response should have been a collective yawn

    "I don't use fiverr because the links themselves are a footprint and because they suck for SEO to begin with"

    You have obvious users of fiverr for SEO crying the OP down.

    Some of you will never learn and you will be back here in the new year starting crap threads about SEO being dead and Google getting the little guy because the same links you are placing with fiverr gets your pages sent to serp siberia.
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    • Profile picture of the author Becker13
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      Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

      The silliest thing about this thread is that where the response should have been a collective yawn

      "I don't use fiverr because the links themselves are a footprint and because they suck for SEO to begin with"

      You have obvious users of fiverr for SEO crying the OP down.

      Some of you will never learn and you will be back here in the new year starting crap threads about SEO being dead and Google getting the little guy because the same links you are placing with fiverr gets your pages sent to serp siberia.
      SEO is like....sooooo....dead...and Google doesn't want anyone to make money...ever

      o.m.g.
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  • Profile picture of the author Becker13
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    Originally Posted by cagliostro View Post

    A warning for you all running Analytics or Adsense and order Fiverr gigs:

    Fiverr gigs leave TWO clear footprints, one when you order and one when the gig owner manage the gig.

    The first footprint is a check (CURL something) from a Fiverr standard IPm just after you pay.

    The second footprint includes the Fiverr url and the GIG owner NAME (userid) plus MANAGE word, so it is VERY easy for Google to know what you are doing.

    Just FYI.
    HES HAS LE TRAFFIC FROM EL FIVVERROOO

    BURNNNNN HIMM NOOWWWW

    lol jeezles christ
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  • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
    Penalizing what?

    What if I have 300 sites? Or work on a client's site? How would Google even know that i ordered some "evil gig" and then for what site? Sorry...what you say doesn't make sense.
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