Seriously guys, do you REALLY spend all day creating web 2.0 sites etc. for linkbuilding purposes?

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Ok, I know linkbuilding is a very time consuming process and I just hate this part when it comes to internet marketing.

I guess forum posting, blog commenting and submitting articles to article directories (I prefer automation) and some other linkbuilding methods are fairly do-able, but problem is I get too stressed out and bored if I have to do these tedious tasks for hours in a row on a daily basis for each site that I own and for every page within the site...

Another thing many SEO courses tell you to do is to go around signing up for TONS OF WEB 2.0 SITES like Squidoo etc. and adding content to these sites with a link back to your site. I mean, I don't want to complain, but isn't that just TOO overwhelming?

What if I have more than one site? I can't possibly be creating these web 2.0 sites for every site I own on my own. :rolleyes:

Anyway, luckily so far I NEVER attempted to do so and create these little web 2.0 sites and I'm really wondering whether this really has any value and is necessary for ranking purposes.:confused:

Still wondering how you guys do it? Do you really sit around all day building backlinks or do you have a clever way of automating most of the process? I know most software/automation tools are just spam and can hurt your rankings in the end, but I don't doubt there is something out there that can make life easier.

I really want to master SEO, but I don't like the idea of sitting around all day long building backlinks manually!!!
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  • Profile picture of the author rjd1265
    Here is what I do.
    I build 5 Web 2.0/Blog Sites (Wordpress, Blogger, HubPages, Squiddo and Live Journal)

    I add unique content to each of them with picutes and youtube Vids. you can get one off of YT or go to fiverr.com and have someone make you a simple one with your web name in it.

    I of course have links that point back to my money site.

    I then use SERobot to send mass amounts of links back to my web 2.0/blog sites.

    This way my money site is protected and i pass good link juice to my money sites.

    I found that just 5 sites work although you could do more if you wanted I guess.

    I also have several sites so i keep an excel spreadsheet of each site and what pages I have built, the date, if they were pinged and bookmarked and so on.

    This keeps me very organized and I always know where I am at...
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  • Profile picture of the author DPM70
    Honestly, look for the best links. The one's that cost in time and/or effort (and possibly remuneration . You have to have the best content to be able to do this. You can forget most of the spammy web 2.0s and all the other guff if you do this.
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    • Profile picture of the author KatyaSenina
      Originally Posted by rjd1265 View Post

      Here is what I do.
      I build 5 Web 2.0/Blog Sites (Wordpress, Blogger, HubPages, Squiddo and Live Journal)

      I add unique content to each of them with picutes and youtube Vids. you can get one off of YT or go to fiverr.com and have someone make you a simple one with your web name in it.

      I of course have links that point back to my money site.

      I then use SERobot to send mass amounts of links back to my web 2.0/blog sites.

      This way my money site is protected and i pass good link juice to my money sites.

      I found that just 5 sites work although you could do more if you wanted I guess.

      I also have several sites so i keep an excel spreadsheet of each site and what pages I have built, the date, if they were pinged and bookmarked and so on.

      This keeps me very organized and I always know where I am at...
      Thank you! This sounds great and very do-able...but bear in mind some of these web 2.0 sites are no-follow. And although you need to have a variety of no-follow and do-follow links pointing to your money site, just so it appears natural to the search engines... in this case, I don't see any benefit in sending mass links to no-follow web 2.0 sites as they won't pass along link juice to your money site anyway. Or am I wrong on this?

      Originally Posted by DPM70 View Post

      Honestly, look for the best links. The one's that cost in time and/or effort (and possibly remuneration . You have to have the best content to be able to do this. You can forget most of the spammy web 2.0s and all the other guff if you do this.
      Yeah I agree, in the end it's all about the quality of the backlinks and 14 of those quality links can do more than 1000s of spammy links. But it's hard to find these links. I guess I have to live with the fact that SEO & getting your sites ranked is a very, very slow and boring process.
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  • Profile picture of the author DPM70
    Oh, it's far from boring. It can sometimes be slow. It's a bit geeky. I love it
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    • Profile picture of the author paulgl
      I use squidoo to the max.

      Completed a lens 4 days ago, it was 100% in 2 days.
      Picked for a highlight in one of their "magazines."
      Yes, I backlink from my lenses like an animal. I create
      lenses for backlinks, but they look like lenses on regular
      subjects. Like gardening. I make a tidy sum on their
      revenue share as well.

      I abuse squidoo to the max. Granted, I am level 60+ so
      it gets easier.

      Forget your private blog networks boys. (And girls) And
      start creating a squidoo empire.

      Just started to learn the power of pinterest as well.

      True, I use twitter and facebook as an adjunct for
      the lenses. Funneling traffic is highly profitable.

      Facebook has proven to be quite good at funneling to
      the lenses.

      No, I'm not really hating on private blog networks.
      Just tossing in other options.

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  • Profile picture of the author DPM70
    Hey Katya, you write well. I imagine you put up sites with great content. Do you get any income in from doing that? If you do, you should put a percentage of your profits into outsourcing SEO if you find it dull.

    Personally, the greatest challenge to me is interacting personally with a webmaster or web editor at a site where I can secure a good backlink. This is where due diligence in your business equates the writing of great content with the securing of great backlinks.

    I keep saying "great" and I know that's not helpful...to some.
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  • Profile picture of the author dadamson
    That's what outsourcing is for!

    Sure, you should put in the time and effort initially because this will allow you to understand the exact process and amount of work involved in ranking your webpages for your keywords.

    But once you know the exact procedures you can write them down and create PDF instructional documents and outsource to oDesk or similar, ensure your instructions are black and white with no room for error as this will be the difference between your outsourcing success or failure.

    Once you can profit from your websites you can repeat the process and spend your time developing new websites or whatever you like doing best.
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  • Profile picture of the author DPM70
    Kind of went off squidoo, never had that longevity to hit the master ranks. Pinning things on a webwall, however...lol
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  • Profile picture of the author DPM70
    dadamson, this is where you and I differ. There are no "exact procedures". Not in many disciplines are there exact procedures. This isn't a set it and forget it scenario. I know you know that, but I wish you'd come across clearer. What's here and written in the latest .pdf this month will have changed by the next.
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    • Profile picture of the author dadamson
      Originally Posted by DPM70 View Post

      dadamson, this is where you and I differ. There are no "exact procedures". Not in many disciplines are there exact procedures. This isn't a set it and forget it scenario. I know you know that, but I wish you'd come across clearer. What's here and written in the latest .pdf this month will have changed by the next.
      Yes, there are definitely no exact procedures to SEO that anyone can know, but when you find things that work, and I mean things that can work long term, not just the latest SEO fad that may work for a couple of months, it might be better off to outsource the time-consuming bits so that you can focus on marketing or new developments.

      I admit, my post did come across as though there are exact procedures to ranking websites, but I meant to say that you can work out your own methods and come up with a system that works for you.

      As long as your system is full of related content, unique content, good exposure, and links from established websites you can almost be sure that your techniques will work for many months to come.

      Sure, monitoring and slight tweaking will be needed at least once per month to keep up with the game but giving the search engines quality content will always prove fruitful for you.

      If you don't have enough time to dedicate yourself to SEO for hours and hours per week on multiple websites, it might be time to record the exact methods that you use yourself to rank your sites and outsource them to someone who would be capable of taking on the exact actions that you would be undertaking, ie; replacing yourself.

      Cheers,
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  • Profile picture of the author sovereignn
    backlinking is my life o.o

    I find it fun actually, usually do it from the beach
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  • Profile picture of the author 808glass
    One mans garbage is another mans treasure.

    You may hate it but this is how we pay the bills. We actually get a lot of clients like you who have multiple websites that just don't have the time to build back links all day. Not trying to sell you anything lol just being honest.

    PLEASE don't automate either!!! Especially with google's Panda update wreaking havoc on website owners who took the easy path and previously automated it.

    The WHOLE entire point of link building and letting the amount of links contribute to the factor of where you place in search results was NEVER intended for website owners to build links all day. It's suppose to be built for customers or traffic to find your site helpful and THEY link to your site. NOT you link to your site all day at your desk.

    If you do decide to build your own links put some useful content in their with it too. Google likes to see you contribute to the web instead of bog it down with useless linking sites.

    Happy Linking
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  • Profile picture of the author iklanbaris33
    Yes..I did and I always do... Why...? Because Creating web 2 sites has been proven as one of the best and easy way to get high quality backlinks...This is one of my favorite free backlinks sources. Besides free, backlinks from web2 will boost our site's rank...Of course it's very hard to create web 2 sites if we have many sites..but that's the risk we must take if we want to succeed..You can also outsource it if you don't want to work hard....Many people/sites offer he service I think..Just search in Google..Good luck..
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  • Profile picture of the author Slaughter
    I outsource it.

    I get cheap VA's that can make like ~40-50 manual, quality, 0-footprint web 2.0's per day.
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    • Profile picture of the author sovereignn
      Originally Posted by Slaughter View Post

      I outsource it.

      I get cheap VA's that can make like ~40-50 manual, quality, 0-footprint web 2.0's per day.
      But there are only so many 2.0s what do you do
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      • Profile picture of the author dadamson
        Originally Posted by sovereignn View Post

        But there are only so many 2.0s what do you do
        Yea, there are only 93455494587409579043893 web 2.0 websites out there, and 673 being created per minute, what happens when I run out of them

        LOL, trust me, you will never have that problem
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      • Profile picture of the author Slaughter
        Originally Posted by sovereignn View Post

        But there are only so many 2.0s what do you do
        New emails + new private proxies
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    • Profile picture of the author piinc
      Originally Posted by Slaughter View Post

      I outsource it.

      I get cheap VA's that can make like ~40-50 manual, quality, 0-footprint web 2.0's per day.
      Slaughter, I haven't had the greatest luck with a source for VA's. Where and how do you get your VA's assuming you have a source to recommend?

      I'm Looking for someone that can perform "post panda" quality SEO like what you describe. PM if you'd like any details.

      I appreciate the help.

      Thanks!
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  • Profile picture of the author Mae Rose
    That is boring for me as well.

    So, I find people that love to do it and pay them.
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  • Profile picture of the author Tjalling
    Another Person from The Netherlands, good to see that hehe!
    I know Link Building is a slow and rather boring process, but in the end it's all worth it. Watching your site go all the way up to that #1 spot in Google is simply awesome.

    First make sure your on site SEO is all set. I like to use Traffic Travis for this, to check if i'm doing things right.

    Then, Just pick a few of the the Web 2.0 sites that you find the most comfortable and easy to work with. Combine this with some of the other common link building techniques (such as Blog posting and Video marketing)

    If you have chosen to rank a site for competitive keywords you should chose for a linking wheel. This will make the Blog posts linking back to your main site even stronger.

    Tip: When submitting articles to article directories you could just use the articles on your site that you already made! Just twist them around and use synonims for words so it's still sort of unique!

    Hope this helped!
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    • Profile picture of the author scottmacair
      Ranking with web 2's as the main SEO link juice supply can be done but it's time consuming, unless you opt for the reckless automated spun rubbish route which isn't as effective and is more risky.

      You can rank for most keywords with a small network of quality blogs that fit your niche. Sure it takes some time to set up but it's worth it in the end
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  • Profile picture of the author Saito
    I would make the content and outsource ALL, and I mean ALL, the linkbuilding, except for announcing your posts on social media yourself. Maybe submitting videos but I don't do that to more than 3 video sites anyway.

    If it's a low or medium competition niche, just wait until you have $50/month to spend for the next 6 months on a package from a Warrior or select Fiverr linking gigs.

    If you don't have the money they go make it through affiliates or something less expensive and lengthy.

    I would get a part-time job at McDonalds making $8/hour for 8 hours/month and hire outsourcers for SEO before I would do the linkbuilding myself.
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  • Profile picture of the author MarcusHichens
    There is also Fiver Gigs to build Web 2.0 and spamming those 2.0s with links. some will even spin the article for you. And lol @ I would get a part-time job at McDonalds making $8/hour for 8 hours/month and hire outsourcers for SEO before I would do the linkbuilding myself. awesome
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  • Profile picture of the author computron
    Katya there has been a lot of mention about fiverr gig's in this thread but I thought I would give you some more insight. I recently read an amazing thread on someone who is having a case study about using only fiverr gig's to create backlinks:

    warriorforum com/adsense-ppc-seo-discussion-forum/504651-fiverr-linkbuilding-case-study-nowhere-page-1-a.html

    In the thread people have reviewed gig's that they themselves have purchased. There are gig' on their that will create link wheels (using web 2.0 properties) from over 30+ sites link them to you and then mass submit those 2.0 properties to 5000+ articles, for only five buck's. If you bought something like this for one of your site's once every one or two week's it would help you improve tremendously!
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    • Profile picture of the author bitriot
      After my best authority blog got smacked in the BMR de-index, i employed the tried and true web 2.0 / article method to stabilize and claw back *some* rankings for that site.

      Basically, I used as my tier 1:

      4 youtube videos,
      15 manually submitted articles
      6 web 2.0 (tumblr, squidoo, hubpages, wordpress, blogger, livejournal)

      and am in the process of beating them down with links from dripfeed links - that are then scanned by linklicious.



      The next steps in my strategy are:

      100 high pr bookmarks (fiverr)
      100 high pr 2.0 pages (fiverr)
      500 wiki pages (fiverr)

      All of which will be beat down with links from Drip Feed Links.

      And then a Free Press Release submission to roughly 200 sites.
      And then finally a paid PR web submission for $200.


      After all of this I hope to be sitting pretty in my rankings.


      One other thing I am working on for SEO rankings is trying to learn Magic Submitter and see if that provides results.

      And in the end, if this isn't enough, I will probably outsource for $50-$100 my SEO to someone on WF.
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      • Profile picture of the author bilaldsa
        I recently came across this software
        BlogBot Express released | CelestialBots
        its free and supposedly make around 15 web 2.0 website (I only got like 8). Its not alot but its better than nothing .

        BTW I am not an affiliate
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        • Profile picture of the author KatyaSenina
          Originally Posted by bilaldsa View Post

          I recently came across this software
          BlogBot Express released | CelestialBots
          its free and supposedly make around 15 web 2.0 website (I only got like 8). Its not alot but its better than nothing .

          BTW I am not an affiliate
          OMG, thank you so much, you're a savior! Will definitely test this one out... see how it works. I simply don't have the time to register for all these sites and create them one by one. Hope this is something.

          Is this software FREE? At least that's what their site says.
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          • Profile picture of the author bilaldsa
            Yeah BlogBot Express is free, they also have BlogBot Standard which they sell.
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          • Profile picture of the author StevenJones
            Originally Posted by KatyaSenina View Post

            OMG, thank you so much, you're a savior! Will definitely test this one out... see how it works. I simply don't have the time to register for all these sites and create them one by one. Hope this is something.

            Is this software FREE? At least that's what their site says.
            Sweetheart,

            We meet again if you go about your business manually creating such profiles yeah that would take loads of time. But as stated earlier a small network is enough. Think about 4-6 sites then blast these sites that are pointing to your money site with an automated tool. Do the latter with care though

            Steven
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            • Profile picture of the author KatyaSenina
              Originally Posted by StevenJones View Post

              Sweetheart,

              We meet again if you go about your business manually creating such profiles yeah that would take loads of time. But as stated earlier a small network is enough. Think about 4-6 sites then blast these sites that are pointing to your money site with an automated tool. Do the latter with care though

              Steven
              Haha, yeah, the last thing I want is a burn out. But I think I get it now! Somehow I've always had this weird idea that I've to create dozens of these sites, obviously not! Anyway I will try that out. AMR should do the trick.
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        • Profile picture of the author cooler1
          Originally Posted by bilaldsa View Post

          I recently came across this software
          BlogBot Express released | CelestialBots
          its free and supposedly make around 15 web 2.0 website (I only got like 8). Its not alot but its better than nothing .

          BTW I am not an affiliate
          When you submit an article to those web 2.0 sites, does it have to be unique for each site so you'd need 8 seperate articles or do you post the same article to all 8 sites?
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          • Profile picture of the author jetsetter883
            Originally Posted by cooler1 View Post

            When you submit an article to those web 2.0 sites, does it have to be unique for each site so you'd need 8 seperate articles or do you post the same article to all 8 sites?
            i am wondering about this as well. anyone?
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            • Profile picture of the author piinc
              Originally Posted by jetsetter883 View Post

              i am wondering about this as well. anyone?
              Your article needs to be re-spun (using sofware) for each site thus making each one unique and passing copyscape.

              Duplicate content can really hurt you.
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              • Profile picture of the author dracoboar
                Originally Posted by piinc View Post

                Your article needs to be re-spun (using sofware) for each site thus making each one unique and passing copyscape.

                Duplicate content can really hurt you.

                Off site duplicate content cannot hurt you as quality content syndication is expected.

                Think of it this way lets say there was a scandal with the president and AP had the early story, you would expect FOX, CNN, CBS,ABC,NBC and everyone else to run the story.

                What we do know also is that google can see spun content which may cause you more problems than it is worth.
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      • Profile picture of the author bitriot
        Originally Posted by Alyona The Publicist View Post

        Just make sure that the press releases you submit make it to google.com/news otherwise the press releases won't have much authority in google's eyes and the backlink juice to your site (in seo terms) would be near zero.

        But if you manage to get your press release in google.com/news then that would be a comletely different story. I have seen sites jump 2 or 3 pages in the serp overnight after getting a good press release.

        oh and $200 for a press release.... they are ripping you off buddy! shop around. anything over $85 is way too much!
        My price came from PRweb which many users here have recommended. What do you recommend as an alternative?
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        • Profile picture of the author markowe
          Originally Posted by bitriot View Post

          My price came from PRweb which many users here have recommended. What do you recommend as an alternative?
          There was a Warrior for Hire had a really good PR writing and submission service - using a major network, not crappy PR sites, for even less than 85, I think, have a look around that section, can't remember the details but you'd know it if you saw it. It had very good reviews.
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  • Profile picture of the author NXmarketeer
    nothing better than some quality web 2.0s to support your sites nowadays
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  • Profile picture of the author sackboy127
    In the case of Web 2.0s, quality sometimes counts more than quantity, you don't have to create tons of them, but make sure you really flash out the ones you have (unique content, images, videos, etc - really don't want to advertise here, but someone has a service you might want to check out. )

    You can also later expand these properties with more articles to make them even more powerful and let them gain more authority. Social bookmarking them, and for example doing a Wiki blast on them also helps.
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  • Profile picture of the author GyuMan82
    That's what automation is for. Look into software/scripts to take care of this for you and combine this with your own manual work.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mantasmo
    You don't need loads of these properties to get nice backlinks. Think about it for a bit.
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  • Profile picture of the author The A
    learn about some backlinking strategy and outsource the work. People at fiverr will do almost anything for 5 bucks. Or you can hire some freelancers at odesk or elance. ask them to build the links manually. It can save you lot of time
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  • Profile picture of the author piinc
    The A. Manually...I like that. Most people promise thousands of links and it's obvious that it's automated.
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  • Profile picture of the author ishuvonet
    I also dont prefer to pass all day by creating backlinks.I would prefer to build backlinks 3 or 4 hours everyday.If I feel bored in creating backlinks that certainly it keeps bad effect on quality of backlink.
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  • Profile picture of the author wushumaro
    I never spend time on these things. I just rely on quick and easy link building methods such as fiverr gigs, or Social Monkey-like sites, etc.

    Social Monkey does have a free 25 daily link building setup, for those of you who haven't signed up, you can use my affiliate code (even though i don't get any money, but if i refer 12 people, i get upgraded to the premium account for free, and get to submit 100 daily links)

    Anyways, here it is:

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  • Profile picture of the author chihuahua
    I have been trying day after day till I give up and outsource the SEO stuff. I guess those professionals have the manpower and can do a better job.
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  • Profile picture of the author Natlex
    At first it's kinda like that. Over time you I bought software with what I found was most effective such as to submit articles and social bookmarking.
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  • Profile picture of the author bo4610
    Originally Posted by KatyaSenina View Post

    Ok, I know linkbuilding is a very time consuming process and I just hate this part when it comes to internet marketing.

    I guess forum posting, blog commenting and submitting articles to article directories (I prefer automation) and some other linkbuilding methods are fairly do-able, but problem is I get too stressed out and bored if I have to do these tedious tasks for hours in a row on a daily basis for each site that I own and for every page within the site...

    Another thing many SEO courses tell you to do is to go around signing up for TONS OF WEB 2.0 SITES like Squidoo etc. and adding content to these sites with a link back to your site. I mean, I don't want to complain, but isn't that just TOO overwhelming?

    What if I have more than one site? I can't possibly be creating these web 2.0 sites for every site I own on my own. :rolleyes:

    Anyway, luckily so far I NEVER attempted to do so and create these little web 2.0 sites and I'm really wondering whether this really has any value and is necessary for ranking purposes.:confused:

    Still wondering how you guys do it? Do you really sit around all day building backlinks or do you have a clever way of automating most of the process? I know most software/automation tools are just spam and can hurt your rankings in the end, but I don't doubt there is something out there that can make life easier.

    I really want to master SEO, but I don't like the idea of sitting around all day long building backlinks manually!!!
    These link building strategies are all helping you in your SEO campaign. Indeed it is a tedious thing to do link building manually but in my opinion building links manually is a lot better than using softwares or automated robots, the growth of your backlinks may be slow but consistent and that matters to search engines, consistency.

    I suggest you hire a VA.
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  • Profile picture of the author srh41
    Check this out before you build any more backlinks, it just might save you alot of time.
    What Went Down?
    Some 700,000+ webmasters received a little “how ya doin” note in their Google Webmaster Tools (GWT) account over the last 2 months. The purpose of the note was to inform them that they had a site(s) with “unnatural links.”

    Here’s what the note looked like:

    Dear site owner or webmaster of IANA & mdash; Example domains
    We’ve detected that some of your site’s pages may be using techniques that are outside Google's webmaster Guide Lines. Specifically, look for possibly artificial or unnatural links pointing to your site that could be intended to manipulate PageRank. Examples of unnatural linking could include "buyinglinkstopasspagerank" or participating in link schemes.
    We encourage you to make changes to your site so that it meets our quality guidelines. Once you’ve made these changes, please submitt your site for consideration in Google’s search results.
    If you find unnatural links to your site that you are unable to control or remove, please provide the details in your reconsideration request.
    If you have any questions about how to resolve this issue, please see our Webmaster help fourm for support.
    Sincerely,
    Google Search Quality Team

    Find out why this happened [HERE for source]
    This is not spam, nor am I affiliated with this source in any way. My intent is to just help everyone before they get into serious trouble not to mention all the time lost spent on these types of projects.
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    Strike where their is lots of Competition!!!!.....If you don't........... it's like opening a business in the country.....
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  • Profile picture of the author Bond Girl
    You are not the only one, I do not like back linking either but it is necessary so I do it, once there are enough resources(money) it is worth it to outsource it because your productivity will go up because you will not be bogged down with doing work you hate and you can spend more time on Building your business.
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    • Profile picture of the author socomplete
      From my experience when I simply create a quality site, with enough valuable content on it, it does well with very little links, especially if the competition isn't stiff.
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  • Profile picture of the author humboldt
    Hold on .... how are you supposed to have 100% control what links are pointing to your site ? That's just silly.
    Google should just discount 'invalid' links if they want, they are hinting to unscrupoulus peolple that there is a chance of sabotage ?
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    if not now, when ?

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  • Profile picture of the author Roosje
    I normally create around 30 web 2.0 properties monthly then I outsource the link building part in Odesk; all the link building is directed to the properties to give them some link juice.
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  • Profile picture of the author igl0w
    we use software we dont sit days doing stuff.
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  • Profile picture of the author cooler1
    Just wondering, is a link from a Squidoo lens more powerful than a link from somewhere like a Blogger blog or is the power of the link determined by the backlinks you've built to the lens/blog?

    The reason I ask is because Squidoo seem very picky. They require you to add content, get traffic, etc.. to keep your lens featured and not revert back to WIP (Work in progress), but with Blogger you just add what content you want and it remains featured.
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