Google Just Wiped Out Over 700 of My Sites

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I have about 1200 sites with EMD and most of it are 5 pages and above and built using a different range of ips and backlink strategy. All sites are written by top notch writers and never a duplicate.

About 3 hours back, I noticed about 20% are no where to be found. A huge drop from page 1-2 and there are no longer in page 50 also. The sites are still indexed. All of the sites are built using various services rotated monthly so backlinks are not a problem as they are a lot of links as I checked.

So what I can gather;

1. google is doing manual review on top pages and if they look ugly and thin they will be flagged and gone.

2. I still have sites which ranked to top position for EMD today and they will receive the initial boost and will drop if no updates done.

3. I checked all the sites which is still ranking and found one thing in common. They not only write good quality unique content, they have nice images to complement with graphs, videos and also facebook pages and opt in. So google is looking at overall site and no longer just backlinks and unique content. Some sites have poor lousy or little content but they interact a lot with users in terms of comments and still rank very high in Google.

Gone are the days you can build EMD sites + articles + backlinks and earn a good income with Google. Authority sites with actual work put in will give you the blessings of Google and ranked highly.

So today if your site is using same theme, thin sites with MFA, 100% you will be flagged, just a matter of time.

Just my 2 cents worth.
#700 #google #sites #wiped
  • Profile picture of the author dadamson
    Great case study.

    Yes, google is takin more notice of the complete package, fast tactics with EMDs, a few unique articles and some hands off backlinks just don't cut the mustard these days.

    It is always hard to find out the hard way, I hope you manage to flesh out your websites and have them ranking again without too much of an expense.
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    • Profile picture of the author humbledmarket
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      Thanks for the feedback. Have you checked your webmaster to see if there have been any notification? Sometimes they might let you know the exact reason there.

      Also I just read another thread by another warrior that google made a mistake dropping his sites and then fixing it later after talking with a google employee on google webmaster group.

      Originally Posted by dadamson View Post

      Great case study.

      Yes, google is takin more notice of the complete package, fast tactics with EMDs, a few unique articles and some hands off backlinks just don't cut the mustard these days.

      It is always hard to find out the hard way, I hope you manage to flesh out your websites and have them ranking again without too much of an expense.
      Also a very expensive case study lol
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  • Profile picture of the author JEasy
    Google is lame. Sorry to hear, but stop bowing down to Big G. They've made it clear that they don't want the average person's business. They want corporate money. They're crushing people's businesses left and right and folks STILL keep trying to deal with this nonsense. I don't understand it.
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    • Profile picture of the author dadamson
      Originally Posted by JEasy View Post

      Google is lame. Sorry to hear, but stop bowing down to Big G. They've made it clear that they don't want the average person's business. They want corporate money. They're crushing people's businesses left and right and folks STILL keep trying to deal with this nonsense. I don't understand it.
      Google still is and will be for a long time the number 1 source for traffic to Internet marketers websites.

      Average people can still rank websites very easily if they know what to do and actually put a little time into their SEO.

      If you are referring to people who build low quality sites and then use backlinking tools to spam out unnatural links in the hope for page one rankings then sure, Google traffic may not be a likely traffic source for you.
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      • Profile picture of the author JEasy
        Originally Posted by dadamson View Post

        Google still is and will be for a long time the number 1 source for traffic to Internet marketers websites.

        SEO.

        This is what Google is out to destroy. They don't like that people can find ways to rank their sites. They just don't like it /shrug.
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  • Profile picture of the author Diice
    Affiliate sites are being hit hard, thin ones like you said. I very much doubt Google are checking sites "Manually" however i agree they are certainly increasing their standards for ranking a website.

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  • A friend of mine was complaining a few days ago that he's having no luck trying to find and buy cast iron garden furniture using Google. Many of the search results are garbage and filled with ads. He thought Google was selling these pages and making money that way, and he was mad at Google.

    I told him they are Made For AdSense sites put up by people hoping he'll click on their ads. Since they obviously damage the user experience (the last thing he wants to see are more ads for cast iron garden furniture), Google is working on eliminating them.

    Are you really surprised? If a user types in "buy cast iron garden furniture" the first result should be a website where he can buy cast iron garden furniture. When that doesn't happen, Google's brand is harmed and they're at risk of losing search engine share. The big G moves slowly but inexorably, like a glacier, and I wouldn't want to get caught in its path.

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  • Profile picture of the author csgcsg
    Yes you can still build EMD sites MFA, but with lots of contents updated regularly, a fan page perhaps, opt in list will be great.

    I am waiting to hear is there anyone with authority site got hit by the latest Google updates earlier?
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  • Profile picture of the author madison_avenue
    I checked all the sites which is still ranking and found one thing in common. They not only write good quality unique content, they have nice images to complement with graphs, videos and also facebook pages and opt in. So google is looking at overall site and no longer just backlinks and unique content. Some sites have poor lousy or little content but they interact a lot with users in terms of comments and still rank very high in Google.
    Sorry about your problem!

    The sort of sites you describe as ranking well, do not look like made for adsense or thin affiliate sites, although these sites may even have less content, they will appear to look more 'natural' with a unique look. And they may not be on EMD, which is becoming to look like a red flag these days.

    The lesson may be is that we should individualize our sites more, and develop our own brand names rather than using EMD's. And if we do use EMD's make sure the sites look unique.
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  • Profile picture of the author Luuk
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    That sucks dude I hope they come back in Google. Heart about a new panda update, that sites with good content will rank higher then sites with a good SEO.

    Luuk
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  • Profile picture of the author 100k
    Thanks for sharing. Sorry to hear about your misfortune!

    I think sites need to be of high quality (i.e images + videos here and there + social proof i.e FB fan page / twitter / linkdin / digg it / reddit links / plus + / etc.) and update the site once every month at least twice and consistent fresh links every month.

    How much were you making from 700 sites? $1K per day?
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  • Profile picture of the author Eduard Stinga
    That's great news, it's about time they do this! I'm not talking about you losing your sites (it's nothing personal), but about the practice in itself.

    As fLufF explained above, I'm personally sick and tired of seeing crap all over the Internet. But I'm ok, because I've got experience with Internet; but I see my parents falling for stupid traps, like .gif ads on a site that have a "x" in the corner, which is a trap to click there to close them, but in fact it just makes you click the ad and take you to another page to sell you some more CRAP

    I'm with Google on this one
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    • Profile picture of the author JEasy
      Originally Posted by Eduard Stinga View Post

      That's great news, it's about time they do this! I'm not talking about you losing your sites (it's nothing personal), but about the practice in itself.

      As fLufF explained above, I'm personally sick and tired of seeing crap all over the Internet. But I'm ok, because I've got experience with Internet; but I see my parents falling for stupid traps, like .gif ads on a site that have a "x" in the corner, which is a trap to click there to close them, but in fact it just makes you click the ad and take you to another page to sell you some more CRAP

      I'm with Google on this one
      This is all good until your sites are affected. You'll see things differently then because you would have put in hours building those sites up with the best of intentions. You'll then experience what Google is really all about. It's called Adwords.

      Oh and make sure you put a full site together so you can pay them to advertise and if you don't...low quality score.
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  • Profile picture of the author GeeWhiz1
    Yup, I've noticed a few of my own thin sites being indexed. Especially satellite and "feeder" sites. Seem's as though we need to build out more pages on our sites.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rick Britton
    I set out a year ago to make good quality, authorative sites full of good content, images and user experience

    not coz I am smart - far from it I am a newbie - but a guy I know who is smart warned me of exactly all these things you are all talking about

    only thing is it is slowwwwwwwwwwwww
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  • Profile picture of the author kindsvater
    I think it is premature to panic and start making assumptions. Sometimes sites come and go in the rankings as updates are made. If they are not back in a week then you have something to really worry about.

    You suggest not making thin MFA sites. Assuming these were Adsense sites, you are wasting your time putting them on different IPs. You have already given Google all of your websites. So it doesn't matter about the IPs, backlinking, dupicate content, etc. If Google decides it does not want your sites can simply delete anything with your Adsense ID on it.


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  • Profile picture of the author csgcsg
    No I am not offended as I know the way to go is authority sites with social media proof and even put in an auto responder and build a database of users. Having those said, its so much easier to build thin sites and duplicate it many many times like a money printing machine. Been doing it for almost 2 years and yes not a problem until today and somehow I don't feel panic nor angry just calm as I know its time to move on. Ive enjoyed the fruits of my labour so I know I can move on building authority sites.

    I still love Google, we had a good relationship and it will last long. I meant almost all my thin sites which is optimized are rank top pages in Bing and Yahoo and that search engine gives crap results. I am not complaining I still get good Adsense clicks from those search engine but if I am a genuine user and seeing those kind of sites, yes I will get piss off. Kinda oxymoron but if you were doing this from 2 years ago MFA sites, you will know how easy to earn. You can get back your cost of domain + outsource articles in about 1 week.

    Appreciate the feedbacks, thanks.
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    • Profile picture of the author Zack5
      Yup I got hit as well, I don't it's manual review. Must be an algo update. Have a feeling it's targeting EMDs with over "anchor text" backlinks. Or perhaps they're discounting certain links from blog networks. 50% of my sites got sandboxed on Sunday. I'm hoping them to rebound in a few weeks time because I'm noticing many sites much worse than mine are still ranking.

      @csgcsg, are you using UAW by any chance?
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      • Profile picture of the author csgcsg
        Originally Posted by Zack5 View Post

        Yup I got hit as well, I don't it's manual review. Must be an algo update. Have a feeling it's targeting EMDs with over "anchor text" backlinks. Or perhaps they're discounting certain links from blog networks. 50% of my sites got sandboxed on Sunday. I'm hoping them to rebound in a few weeks time because I'm noticing many sites much worse than mine are still ranking.

        @csgcsg, are you using UAW by any chance?
        Yes its part of arsenal, I rotate domains to use diff networks but I doubt its the backlink that matters. Its just the way sites are built, simple, 4-5 pages and perfect adsense placement that gets you good CTR. Those mini sites are the ones being target. If algo updates, it should be more % I got hit, but I don't know, need more datas and I still do believe cause of manual reviews.
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        • Profile picture of the author Zack5
          Originally Posted by csgcsg View Post

          Yes its part of arsenal, I rotate domains to use diff networks but I doubt its the backlink that matters. Its just the way sites are built, simple, 4-5 pages and perfect adsense placement that gets you good CTR. Those mini sites are the ones being target. If algo updates, it should be more % I got hit, but I don't know, need more datas and I still do believe cause of manual reviews.
          The % is gradually increasing for me... 50% on Sunday, just checked and it's up to 70% dead.
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  • Profile picture of the author WittyBlogger
    You'd suddenly wonder if Google sends people down to the Warrior Forum and other SEO black hat places to do some little "research".

    I think it might have to do with the Panda update. Google now treasures sites with "social chatter" and high quality discussions. Huge amount of content, good following, good repeat traffic.

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  • Profile picture of the author TopKat22
    My sites look fine and as a matter of fact, some raised in ranking on several keywords. It seems that every time they do the algo. change and get rid of sites, it gives an increase to the sites that they left alone.

    However, since you never know with Google, this is really the time (if you haven't already) to diversify how you get your traffic so that the sites don't just depend on Google traffic.
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  • Profile picture of the author Fernando Veloso
    C'mon now.... We all knew this was coming. The EMD era is over - for now... cause Google will bring them back - how can't they?

    But this was a annunciated war. We knew it as soon as people started trashing it with thin sites, and the ability to bring them to Top rankings in a matter of days/weeks. Google is aware of WHAT we are doing - especially HERE in this forum...

    Heads up folks... when you find your gold @ Google keep it to yourself.
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  • Profile picture of the author mayankgangwal
    The link building you have done may be link wheel because the latest google panda doesn't support link wheel. You links may be posted on banded sites or porn sites which is banded
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    plays foul game.Mainly against affiliates.
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    • Profile picture of the author Zack5
      I've also noticed a few sites which were penalized on Sunday came back this morning. A buddy of mine sent me this article, it could be some scare tactics deployed by Google. -
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      blog.iacquire. com/2012/04/10/googles-2012-phishing-expedition/
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  • Profile picture of the author paul nicholls
    sorry to hear about your sites getting tanked

    google are certainly clamping down a lot more than they use to but as i said in a previous thread, in time the google algo is getting smarter so we just have to create sites that people actually like to be on and have it more engaging with videos, images and social media interaction

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    It is obvious that google must help users experience, but should also encourage the google adwords and Adsens for his business model ....
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  • Profile picture of the author jivens
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    adsense flippers just put out an article about how spencer from nichepursuits got banned from adsense today. Maybe there's some sort of big change in the air? There seems to be a lot of MNF sites getting de-indexed or penalized as of yesterday.
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    • Profile picture of the author Zack5
      Originally Posted by jivens View Post

      adsense flippers just put out an article about how spencer from nichepursuits got banned from adsense today. Maybe there's some sort of big change in the air? There seems to be a lot of MNF sites getting de-indexed or penalized as of yesterday.
      Really? Damn, I can't seem to load both NichePursuits.com and AdsenseFlippers.com
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      • Originally Posted by Zack5 View Post

        Really? Damn, I can't seem to load both NichePursuits.com and AdsenseFlippers.com
        I was about to post the same thing. Must be getting hammered by worried folks today.

        The AdSenseFlippers guys are smart and nimble. They've also got a dedicated workforce. I truly think they could abandon the MFA model and build out authority sites with great content monetized in a variety of ways.

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        • Profile picture of the author TryBPO
          Originally Posted by fluffythewondercat View Post

          I was about to post the same thing. Must be getting hammered by worried folks today.

          The AdSenseFlippers guys are smart and nimble. They've also got a dedicated workforce. I truly think they could abandon the MFA model and build out authority sites with great content monetized in a variety of ways.

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          Hey Fluff,

          Thanks for the vote of confidence! Although we had a setback the last time we tried to build out an authority site, I think we'll get back on that horse soon. In addition to testing out authority sites, though, we'll be continuing with niche sites. Ultimately, I'd like our niche sites to EXACTLY match the searcher's intent. Ultimately, if someone's looking to "buy door handles" we'd like our mini-niche site to offer them real opportunities and selection to do so. Ultimately, that's what Google wants, right?


          Lisaann - We DID have one of our authority sites deindexed...and it was a truly quality site. That was quite a bummer...we wrote about it in one of our income reports.
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          • Profile picture of the author jivens
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            Originally Posted by TryBPO View Post

            Hey Fluff,

            Thanks for the vote of confidence! Although we had a setback the last time we tried to build out an authority site, I think we'll get back on that horse soon. In addition to testing out authority sites, though, we'll be continuing with niche sites. Ultimately, I'd like our niche sites to EXACTLY match the searcher's intent. Ultimately, if someone's looking to "buy door handles" we'd like our mini-niche site to offer them real opportunities and selection to do so. Ultimately, that's what Google wants, right?


            Lisaann - We DID have one of our authority sites deindexed...and it was a truly quality site. That was quite a bummer...we wrote about it in one of our income reports.

            Why do you think it was de-indexed?? It's a strange game we play with Google.

            NEVERMIND FOUND ARTICLE HERE: http://adsenseflippers.com/niche-web...y-site-failure
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          • Profile picture of the author SuzanneH
            Originally Posted by TryBPO View Post

            Hey Fluff,
            Ultimately, if someone's looking to "buy door handles" we'd like our mini-niche site to offer them real opportunities and selection to do so. Ultimately, that's what Google wants, right?

            IMO, I don't think that's what Google wants. I would think Google wants somebody searching for "buy door handles" to land on a page for a business that directly sells door handles -- and ultimately, if they don't want to buy online, a website belonging to a store somewhere near the searcher's location where the person can buy door handles.

            Not that I know what Google wants, of course!

            Suzanne
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            • Profile picture of the author TryBPO
              Originally Posted by SuzanneH View Post

              IMO, I don't think that's what Google wants. I would think Google wants somebody searching for "buy door handles" to land on a page for a business that directly sells door handles -- and ultimately, if they don't want to buy online, a website belonging to a store somewhere near the searcher's location where the person can buy door handles.

              Not that I know what Google wants, of course!

              Suzanne
              Hey Suzanne!

              So you think they only want sites that actually manufacture and ship the product? What if you're dropshipping? (Someone else manufactures/ships and white-labels it under your company name) Would that be better?

              Also...if they wanted to show results for you locally, they've got that covered with Google Places...but it does require you to be logged in or to include a geo-modifier. (i.e. buy door handles Sacramento, CA) That will get the local results you're looking for.

              I dunno...I would imagine if a site has a decent selection, describes the product well, and has it available for purchase if your keyword was "buy door handles"...why would Google care about your delivery method? Still...thanks for sharing your thoughts...none of us REALLY know this stuff for SURE, eh? hehe
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        • Profile picture of the author yukon
          Originally Posted by fluffythewondercat View Post

          I was about to post the same thing. Must be getting hammered by worried folks today.

          The AdSenseFlippers guys are smart and nimble. They've also got a dedicated workforce. I truly think they could abandon the MFA model and build out authority sites with great content monetized in a variety of ways.

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          I think I've suggested the authority approach to them in another older thread.
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          • Profile picture of the author Morphius
            Stupid question...What is EMD?
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            • Profile picture of the author tyang
              Originally Posted by Morphius View Post

              Stupid question...What is EMD?
              Exact Match Domain

              Ex: Keyword: Dog Training
              URL: dogtraining.com
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            • Profile picture of the author mosthost
              Originally Posted by Morphius View Post

              Stupid question...What is EMD?
              Exact match domain.

              Google is using 'secret police' techniques to get people to make 'confessions' about their activities. There's no guarantee tattling on yourself will improve your rankings. My suggestion, have your attorney present before making any statements that tend to incriminate you.
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    • Profile picture of the author mosthost
      Originally Posted by jivens View Post

      adsense flippers just put out an article about how spencer from nichepursuits got banned from adsense today. Maybe there's some sort of big change in the air? There seems to be a lot of MNF sites getting de-indexed or penalized as of yesterday.
      Any idea why both of the website are down? Did the owners take them offline for some reason?
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      • Profile picture of the author jivens
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        Originally Posted by mosthost View Post

        Any idea why both of the website are down? Did the owners take them offline for some reason?
        That's strange, I just read the article maybe 30 minutes ago. Adsenseflippers was working fine but niche pursuits hasn't been working all day. They've been tweeting the news, so maybe they had a ton of visitors all at once?? Anyway, adsense flippers put out a great article on what to do if they lose their google account and what advertisers they would use instead.
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  • Profile picture of the author TryBPO
    Yeah, we were shocked to hear about Spencer from NichePursuits having his AdSense account shut down. We put out a post detailing our strategy if this were to happen to us. We're currently slammed with traffic (As is NichePursuits) and both sites are up and down right now because of the traffic surge.

    We haven't noticed anything particularly out of the ordinary yet, but we'll definitely see what happens. It would be odd, I think, for him to have his AdSense account disabled rather than just taking a hit on his sites...weird, right?
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    • Profile picture of the author jivens
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      Originally Posted by TryBPO View Post

      Yeah, we were shocked to hear about Spencer from NichePursuits having his AdSense account shut down. We put out a post detailing our strategy if this were to happen to us. We're currently slammed with traffic (As is NichePursuits) and both sites are up and down right now because of the traffic surge.

      We haven't noticed anything particularly out of the ordinary yet, but we'll definitely see what happens. It would be odd, I think, for him to have his AdSense account disabled rather than just taking a hit on his sites...weird, right?
      Weird and terrifying lol. I took my adsense ads off of all of my sites except three. I have three sites with 20+ pages of content and growing and that's the ones that I kept the ads enabled on. I disabled ads on about 10 sites, that's how seriously I'm taking this.

      BTW, any idea how to DELETE ads within your account instead of just "hiding" them??
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      • Profile picture of the author JeanneLynn
        Originally Posted by jivens View Post

        Weird and terrifying lol. I took my adsense ads off of all of my sites except three. I have three sites with 20+ pages of content and growing and that's the ones that I kept the ads enabled on. I disabled ads on about 10 sites, that's how seriously I'm taking this.

        BTW, any idea how to DELETE ads within your account instead of just "hiding" them??
        That's a smart idea. I wouldn't want to leave Adsense on a thin website. It would be terrible to lose your Adsense account.
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  • Profile picture of the author lisaann
    Sorry to hear about your sites. Not that I've seen your sites, but they sound like they fit into the doorway page category.

    Google has labelled sites like what you described as 'doorway pages'. You can read more about it here:

    http://support.google.com/webmasters...answer=35769#3

    So that means if you've just got MFA-type sites up, they can kick them completely out of their index or give you a manual penalty where you don't show up anywhere near the top for any of your keywords.

    They are working really hard at getting these filtered out by algorithms, but if you do manage to slip through that, then you're always at risk of a manual penalty (especially the higher you rank and the higher competition phrases you're going after).

    I've also seen them aggressively go after people with many domains. I knew someone pretty recently who had 300 high earning adsense sites (all MFA) lose them all on one day. Your 700 must have been tied together by something (adsense, GWT, same hosting, etc...).

    It really sucks and I do wish they were more clear on their guidelines for what they count as a doorway page/thin affiliate. I also think if they were kind/smart they'd make this clear when people sign up for their Adsense program as if more people knew the rules I think they'd try to follow them. Right now it's better to try to overdo the whole adding value thing and make it so no one can put your site into the thin affiliate/MFA box.

    Authority sites are the way to go, I'm glad you had some of those built. I can guarantee unless you had those segregated in some way that if you had a manual review (which it sounds like you did) someone from the webspam team looked at those sites and decided they met the quality guidelines. So at least you're not starting from zero and you know exactly what to do.

    All the best...

    Lisa
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    • Profile picture of the author TopKat22
      Originally Posted by lisaann View Post

      Sorry to hear about your sites. Not that I've seen your sites, but they sound like they fit into the doorway page category.

      Google has labelled sites like what you described as 'doorway pages'. You can read more about it here:

      Webmaster Guidelines - Webmaster Tools Help

      All the best...

      Lisa
      Lisa,

      Thanks for this link. It helps to know why or what is happening rather than just be afraid and take action when none might be required.

      As always, it appears once again that Google is just trying to make it a better searching experience for the end user.

      In that list at the link above, it doesn't say anything about EMD domains exactly and I've searched some highly competitive keywords this morning and the EMD that where on page one that have a lot of great content are still there.

      Read the post Lisa posted above to determine where your sites may be.

      Even affiliate sites won't be a problem if you actually add value.

      The bottom line is that you just can't "game" the system and get away with it for long.

      The answer is now as it has always been, imho, which is to create real value for real people and grow your site just like you would have to grow any business you would start and that way, you can reap some short term but also more long term success in your IM business.



      P.S. I posted earlier in this thread that when I first read this, I checked and many of my sites raised in rank again for different keywords just like they did during the last several google changes.

      Since I don't concentrate on getting my targeted traffic directly from Google or SEO these increases have been a welcome surprise as my traffic stats showing traffic from Google now match my traffic from all my other sources this morning. That is quite a large increase and a pleasant surprise.
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  • Profile picture of the author JohnRozario
    Sorry to hear it buddy!

    Google is definitely hitting hard on MFA sites. After the first panda roll out, I have shifted all my Micro niche sites to mini authority sites(20-25 articles site). Its hard, but its worth it
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  • Profile picture of the author thehobbster
    I had a lot of sites disappear out of the top 100 this morning, and several other people I talk to are seeing the same thing. Dunno what's going on but let's hope it's a very temporary thing.
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    • Profile picture of the author socomplete
      Ok, so I have been testing out thin websites vs thicker websites and overall, I've noticed that Quality, original content wins every time!

      Thin Websites

      I created a one page site, that receives good traffic from search engines, that's because it

      A. Provides a good user experience and

      B. I added facts, links to resources, images, personality, and researched what information could be the most useful based upon a search query.

      Today it received 12 visitors from search engines, and the article is over .

      With that being said, I had Google pause the ads to one of my websites, and I understood why. Some of the content could have been better.

      Thicker Websites

      I have a passion for one of the sites I built, and because most of the articles are 500 words or more, and I link to definitions of keywords, add images, video, facts with bullet points, and I separate my content from other types of sites, I have achieved days where search engines sent me 41 visitors just for that 1 site alone.

      As long as you keep the user in mind and provide enough useful information, you should be fine. Don't just depend on adsense only though.
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      • Profile picture of the author Doctor Derp
        Panda strikes again. We've got an inside source @ Google saying this is not the last of it.

        Originally Posted by Green Moon View Post

        For anyone who doubts that Google takes manual action against violations of its quality guidelines, please spend the 4 minutes to watch this video that Google released today:

        Does Google take manual action on webspam? - YouTube
        Thanks for posting this... everyone with a website should watch this video.
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      • Profile picture of the author joetheseo
        I was affected... Ironically... these money sites were hosted on SEO Hosting servers ... all HG dedicated/shared servers, and non-HG servers had no negative impact.
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    • Profile picture of the author paulgl
      Originally Posted by thehobbster View Post

      I had a lot of sites disappear out of the top 100 this morning, and several other people I talk to are seeing the same thing. Dunno what's going on but let's hope it's a very temporary thing.
      So..............if they do come back, does that mean the sites that
      temporarily were on top will now scream sandbox?

      For the sites that are there now, they certainly hope it's
      not temporary. Ahhhh the laws of physics.

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  • Profile picture of the author luane
    W O W - what a bummer! I would take the ones that have been most successful and make them authority sites with "curated" content. Those seem to be Panda and other changes to come - proof. I know how disheartening it can be to lose out when you've invested a lot of time/money or both. Just take a little break, and get those sites up and running again! You've probably got lots of golden nuggets in there!
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  • Profile picture of the author JeanneLynn
    I could see Google doing this to really thin MFA sites, but it appears that they are doing this to some very good sites too. I'm not sure what is going on. It's scary. You can put hundreds of hours into writing good content and Google can just wipe you out instantly. I only used BMR on my sites for about 3 weeks and I've done no other backlink blasts. I'm working on new sites now and I'm never backlinking my sites again. However, it appears that a competitor might be able to take your website down with a $5 blast gig. I'm really disgusted.

    When my traffic completely died this weekend, I thought it was something that I did. I had recently put a pretty new header graphic on the site and I thought that caused my rankings to drop. Then I come to the boards and see that there is a new Google bloodbath in progress.
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  • Profile picture of the author lisaann
    Try BPO,

    I can't really comment as I haven't seen your site that you're saying is an authority site that was deindexed. But even if you've got a lot of content and a lot of pages, that doesn't make your site an authority. The original poster could have taken all the content he had on his 700 sites and combined it into one and it would probably still look like a thin affiliate/doorway page.

    So just poor to marginal content written around keyphrases that doesn't offer a whole lot of value is on their radar. Doesn't matter if you have 1 page or 100+ pages.

    And this isn't a recent thing. But I do think the webspam team has gotten more aggressive, maybe they hired more people, because it does seem more common.

    Also if you look on that same page I had a link to there are other reasons for google to rain on your parade; buying links, link schemes (which almost anything people on this forum are doing to get links can possibly be considered), and other stuff.

    If you've really got a manual penalty on a site the best thing to do is try to figure out what it's for so you can avoid that in the future. You can bring them back if it's worth it to you.

    So anyway, long story short, offer some value. Don't think just because you've got a big site it's the type of site google really wants at the top of their search engines. Really think about whether it's the type of site people want to land on to solve their problems, find their solution, whatever. ra

    And yeah, build a list so you've got a long-term asset from all the hard work you're doing. And try to find additional methods of generating traffic for your sites too (youtube, direct traffic from links, paid traffic, etc...). Google has a lot of the traffic share so I think you're crazy to at least not try SEO, but at the same time you're crazy not to look for traffic in other places.

    It makes things more of a pain for us as business owners because we've got to be good at a lot of things and got to deal with a company like google who's got a monopoly on search, but that's the reality.

    Plus by building a high quality site that has real authority you're just following a good business model of offering value.

    All the best...

    Lisa
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    • Profile picture of the author TryBPO
      Hey Lisaann,

      I definitely hear what you're saying and your information is helpful to probably 95% of the people that would come across it (including us) so it's definitely helpful...but I can assure you that this particular site was an authority site based on the quality, not quantity, of information.

      We have QUITE a few sites that are much less so...but this particular site was one that I painstakingly poored some love into...researching the subject from other authority sources, putting together high-quality content sourced from several different places, providing links and alternatives, etc.

      The site had just a fair amount of content, but the quality of the content was quite high, as was the information included. This would most likely not be a site you or I would bounce from if we were to come across it or be interested in the particular subject.

      That being said and in full disclosure, the linkbuilding was NOT squeaky clean...some BMR links mixed into the linkbuilding structure. Not to say that's necessarily the reason it was deindexed... (We'll NEVER know for SURE, of course)

      I don't believe it was a manual penalty as we had other less-authority sites affected as well, but it was a bit scary to see that ANY kind of site could potentially be deindexed.
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      • Profile picture of the author TopKat22
        Originally Posted by TryBPO View Post

        Hey Lisaann,

        I definitely hear what you're saying and your information is helpful to probably 95% of the people that would come across it (including us) so it's definitely helpful...but I can assure you that this particular site was an authority site based on the quality, not quantity, of information.

        We have QUITE a few sites that are much less so...but this particular site was one that I painstakingly poored some love into...researching the subject from other authority sources, putting together high-quality content sourced from several different places, providing links and alternatives, etc.

        The site had just a fair amount of content, but the quality of the content was quite high, as was the information included. This would most likely not be a site you or I would bounce from if we were to come across it or be interested in the particular subject.

        That being said and in full disclosure, the linkbuilding was NOT squeaky clean...some BMR links mixed into the linkbuilding structure. Not to say that's necessarily the reason it was deindexed... (We'll NEVER know for SURE, of course)

        I don't believe it was a manual penalty as we had other less-authority sites affected as well, but it was a bit scary to see that ANY kind of site could potentially be deindexed.
        Since you put so much into this site, I would highly suggest you have Google reconsider it.

        Go here to find out what Google saw as wrong with your site and get it repaired if need be:

        Webmaster Guidelines - Webmaster Tools Help

        Once you go through everything on this site, there is a link at the very end to have Google reconsider your site.

        Webmaster Guidelines - Webmaster Tools Help

        Good luck.
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        • Profile picture of the author TryBPO
          Thanks for the link TopKat22.

          We're pretty sure the reason is under the "Quality Guidelines" and would most closely be associated with "tricks intended to improve search engine rankings". We pulled our BMR links...we're waiting a while and will request reinclusion. It wouldn't surprise me if they did accept the site again in the future...
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          • Profile picture of the author TopKat22
            Originally Posted by TryBPO View Post

            Thanks for the link TopKat22.

            We're pretty sure the reason is under the "Quality Guidelines" and would most closely be associated with "tricks intended to improve search engine rankings". We pulled our BMR links...we're waiting a while and will request reinclusion. It wouldn't surprise me if they did accept the site again in the future...
            You are welcome.

            Yes, that is probably the case. I have another feeling, no facts to back this up though, that since Google really is just trying to get rid of fluff sites or sites that appear to be "gaming" the system, then I have a feeling that they would consider a site more legitimate if the webmaster DID contact them in a nice way and not complaining saying that you are working on your site and have made changes to be more in alignment with their TOS and would like reconsideration.

            Who knows, that may even help you from future changes.

            There are far too many websites for Google to handle looking at them all manually so they just change their algo.

            Probably the ones that contact them and want to work on their sites to improve the quality for the end user, which is what Google wants, would even be beneficial to the site.

            Who knows.....but it can't hurt.
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  • Profile picture of the author mosthost
    I would like to point out this trend is not new. I lost many 'micro-sites' as far back as 2010. In 2011, many of them were deindexed.

    This trend is going to continue.
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  • Profile picture of the author codecreative
    I think certain micro sites have there place and are valid.

    For example what do you if your are the victim of a certain type of fraud/crime. You may want to know about the proper procedures to go down and who you can contact for help. And how to find a good company to represent your interests. Some times a site presenting un bias use information for someone who needs advice is what a micro site can be useful for. And if all that site has is just one single adsense advert running along the top to help fund its hosting and domain name where is the harm.

    Think about it. Why has ezine become so popular at first it wasn't just for backlinks. I myself found useful results from searching on google and finding useful articles and answers to my questions appear on an ezinearticle.

    Would you not agree that informative sites like this have a place? There is another side to it. I've seen some terrable sites today on page 1 ranked for certain kw, and im telling you all they had was just adverts all over the page, and no content. It was awful.

    I think it boils down to one thing. If you look at the site you make think it has geniune content that is really informative and useful to a user and helps the overall user experience of an individual using google then you should not expect a deindex. I think the days of automateing stuff are coming to an end. Maybe fleshing them out a bit and making a fb page are needed. So it may take a little work to get your five figure monthly cheque.
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  • Profile picture of the author jacksonlin
    I don't think so. Thin affiliate MFA sites are still everywhere and dominating the SERPs. I think the problem had to do with maybe the same link you were using? Same adsense code? Same clickbank hoplink? There's got to be something they traced.
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    • Profile picture of the author Green Moon
      Originally Posted by jacksonlin View Post

      I don't think so. Thin affiliate MFA sites are still everywhere and dominating the SERPs. I think the problem had to do with maybe the same link you were using? Same adsense code? Same clickbank hoplink? There's got to be something they traced.
      None of us really knows what goes on at Google but we do know that they have revealed that they DO use human reviewers. They have said so. Google has also said that the purpose of the human reviewers is to help perfect their algo, not to take a step back to the early days of Yahoo creating hand-generated lists. So while manual penalties ARE possible, it is likely that it was something built into the algo that triggered the change.

      But it is a trend that will continue. Who among us can honestly say that a thin affiliate site or a 5 page MFA site is what you are looking for when you initiate a Google search? No one wants to see that cr*p in their own search results, not even the people who create the sites and profit from them.

      If you can't honestly say that your site is the one you would want to find yourself if you were looking for an answer on the internet, then you should worry more about making it the best site on your subject matter and less about getting it there. Google will figure it out, even if it takes a while.
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  • Profile picture of the author Gozang
    I really was mad at first to know that they completely deindexed my #5 ranking site over night and after 2 months they also suspended my adsense account stating that my sites were generating invalid clicks. I had few sites with quality content on the home page and the sites were built on adsense ctr theme.

    Looks like google is hunting down these types of sites. Two of my sites were ranked #4 and #5 for their respective keywords. Both the sites were built on EMD's and they both had more than 5k posts and would update everyday. Both the sites are completely gone along with other sites. Those sites were getting 40 to 50 visits a day in an average.

    Now I really don't know what to do next as I have bought so many EMD's. It looks like the days of EMD's gone.
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  • Profile picture of the author fiberoptic
    Originally Posted by csgcsg View Post


    1. google is doing manual review on top pages and if they look ugly and thin they will be flagged and gone.

    Google uses an algorithm called Information Retrieval (IR) to determine whether your site looks ugly or not. The Panda algorithm is designed to use all of the variables in the meta tags and provide an adjusted IR score based on quality of the content.

    This will affect a webpage if it has:

    - Empty content on web pages
    - High Ad ratio
    - Too many repeated keywords
    - Template footprint
    - Grammitcal errors

    Every web page’s content and every backlink that a webpage points to, is run through the Crawler and anylized by the IR algorithm and then given an IR score. This score is then combined with Pagerank to produce a final ranking.
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    • Profile picture of the author tyang
      Originally Posted by fiberoptic View Post

      Google uses an algorithm called Information Retrieval (IR) to determine whether your site looks ugly or not. The Panda algorithm is designed to use all of the variables in the meta tags and provide an adjusted IR score based on quality of the content.

      This will affect a webpage if it has:

      - Empty content on web pages
      - High Ad ratio
      - Too many repeated keywords
      - Template footprint
      - Grammitcal errors

      Every web page's content and every backlink that a webpage points to, is run through the Crawler and anylized by the IR algorithm and then given an IR score. This score is then combined with Pagerank to produce a final ranking.
      I don't think this is the case, one of my sites that just has the standard WP theme, 1 weak article and YT video just got bumped to the first page. Ulgyness doesn't matter in SERP.
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  • Profile picture of the author Green Moon
    For anyone who doubts that Google takes manual action against violations of its quality guidelines, please spend the 4 minutes to watch this video that Google released today:

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  • Profile picture of the author Baadier Sydow
    At the OP, were the sites in a general niche that was going through a clean up or a wide variety of core niches?
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  • Profile picture of the author zaco
    I don't think it is manual reviews, it is a whole change that Google rolled after 10PM EST yesterday, I checked my sites and they were moving up in the serps and today they are no where in the first 10 pages, my 2 sites are 8+ years old but I developed them recently..
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    • Profile picture of the author Doctor Derp
      Originally Posted by zaco View Post

      I don't think it is manual reviews, it is a whole change that Google rolled after 10PM EST yesterday, I checked my sites and they were moving up in the serps and today they are no where in the first 10 pages, my 2 sites are 8+ years old but I developed them recently..
      Yeah, it's definitely another Panda update, some pretty well-known sites were affected over the last 2 days.
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      • Profile picture of the author zaco
        Originally Posted by Doctor Derp View Post

        Yeah, it's definitely another Panda update, some pretty well-known sites were affected over the last 2 days.

        I just checked another site that I have on the same shared account and also added to my webmaster tool, the serps rankings didn't change but this website has good backlinks from .edu and well known sites that were build more than 10 years ago
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      • Profile picture of the author wolfmmiii
        Originally Posted by Doctor Derp View Post

        Yeah, it's definitely another Panda update, some pretty well-known sites were affected over the last 2 days.
        I suspect this is the case and mentioned this on another thread earlier today. Has anyone seen anything from Google confirming this?
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  • Profile picture of the author savedbyhim01
    This problem has the same answer to almost every other one where sites are dropped. Build good quality content for users not for search engines. If you have great content everything will work itself out and the "thin" websites dropping in the rankings will help you.
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    • Profile picture of the author zaco
      Originally Posted by savedbyhim01 View Post

      This problem has the same answer to almost every other one where sites are dropped. Build good quality content for users not for search engines. If you have great content everything will work itself out and the "thin" websites dropping in the rankings will help you.
      It has nothing to do with thin websites, did you take a look at Google's webmaster forum? alot of the sites that got hit are famous and provide good content..

      Google tells you to create what they cannot control, if its about thin websites then why I am looking at a 10 pages site with BS content and links from a link farms that is ranking at the top? lol
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  • Profile picture of the author auslaw2
    I think it has more to do with the linking than the EMD. I have a local site and a nationwide site that both got hit. The linking was done in a organized and progressive manner (just like many of the WSOs on this site recommend).
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    • Profile picture of the author domainmadness
      Does anyone have sites affected in non-english search results?
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  • Profile picture of the author slix
    From what I've heard, non-english serps are not affected at the same time as global results. FYI, I've never seen much movement in serps for domestic sites, it seems like panda is not even implemented for serps in my country.
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    • Profile picture of the author Jordan Kovats
      Originally Posted by slix View Post

      From what I've heard, non-english serps are not affected at the same time as global results. FYI, I've never seen much movement in serps for domestic sites, it seems like panda is not even implemented for serps in my country.
      Past Panda updates were applied locally, i.e. google.com before being rolled out to other areas. Once they see the affect of the algorithm changes, they are then rolled out to other countries. That has been my observation.
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  • Profile picture of the author giseo
    Sorry to hear bro.
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  • Profile picture of the author jivens
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    This is weird lol. We probably won't know what's going on for another couple of weeks when everything settles (wildly guessing).

    All of my sites moved UP today so I guess that's a good sign lol. I had one site move up 324 positions after being in no mans land for six months and that site only has THREE pages of content. It has no ads on it however.

    There have been warnings for over a month now of an impending "search winter"
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  • Profile picture of the author Newbieee
    hahaha

    Ya, im not a fan of MNS.

    You know why?

    Because its unlikely when you have 700 sites that you would bother to spend time and money to build each site PROPERLY.

    Thus people who come to me for SEO on MNS just makes me laugh.
    They want to rank for keywords for $50. $30. LOL!!

    Even if i did it for that amount, it wouldnt be worth your while.
    Because mini sites dont earn much.

    That is why people are churning out or spamming MNS so they can multiply their earnings. but in the cause of doing that, they reduce the overall individual effectiveness of their MNS.

    So even $50 will not break even for you for 1 long tail keyword that is easy to rank. Before you break even, your rankings drop and you have to pay for SEO to rank again.

    so it doesnt make sense.
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  • Profile picture of the author JimSEO
    Content is definitely king at the moment.
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  • Profile picture of the author mocca
    Well let me tell you now, it is not just made for adsense or thin content sites or Exact match domains that are being affected.
    I think Google has gone crazy - 4 of my client business sites have been deindexed, and when I talk about client sites, these are web design clients. They have not been promoted with blog networks, they have been promoted through article marketing only and this a few years back already. The sites are just gone.
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  • Profile picture of the author csgcsg
    Just spent time reading Google's forum, its not MFA sites, its not EMD sites, since Google just wiped out about 30-40% of their top rankings for no apparent reasons, good sites, bad sites, new sites, old sites, authority sites, all been wiped out.
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  • Profile picture of the author Zack5
    It's penalizing sites that are over-optimized based on the stuff I've read, still not sure if it's on-page or backlinks related... or it could be a just a scare tactic to let us confess that we've done some link-buying. Let's wait for a few weeks and see what happens.

    Not sure why the hate, just because our sites get hit, doesn't mean they're of no quality. I've spent a lot of time nurturing my sites.
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  • Profile picture of the author jivens
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    They've seriously gone nuts. I have been looking over the internet and some solid and well built sites with good content that didn't have any adsense on them at all are GONE. In fact, I'm seeing MORE spammy looking sites
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    • Profile picture of the author LloydC
      Lots of people(including me) got hit today, I really don't know what they're trying to achieve with these updates, I wasn't shocked to see my thin sniper sites go down, but when i checked my authority site rankings and saw they'd all dropped i was shocked.

      I only used directories, article directories, social bookmarking, web 2.0 and guest posts for backlinks, my content was all good and structured. I really don't know what's going on. I just hope that everything returns to normal otherwise it'll be article writing for me from here on out.

      Another thing that irritates me is the sites that are now on the first page are utter BS. I'm through with being Googles bitch, everyones said it i just disregarded it, but now they've come for me(reminds me of that poem, can't remember what it's called).
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      • Profile picture of the author LloydC
        Originally Posted by LloydC View Post

        Lots of people(including me) got hit today, I really don't know what they're trying to achieve with these updates, I wasn't shocked to see my thin sniper sites go down, but when i checked my authority site rankings and saw they'd all dropped i was shocked.

        I only used directories, article directories, social bookmarking, web 2.0 and guest posts for backlinks, my content was all good and structured. I really don't know what's going on. I just hope that everything returns to normal otherwise it'll be article writing for me from here on out.

        Another thing that irritates me is the sites that are now on the first page are utter BS. I'm through with being Googles bitch, everyones said it i just disregarded it, but now they've come for me(reminds me of that poem, can't remember what it's called).
        Scratch that, all sites are back with a vengeance! *puts sunglasses on*
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        • Profile picture of the author Zack5
          Yeah, apparently, many of my sites are back.
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  • Profile picture of the author imwarrior84
    You can still build and rank so called micro sites of about 5 pages or more, but you need to write great content and the articles must be over 700 words.
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    • Profile picture of the author TopKat22
      Originally Posted by imwarrior84 View Post

      You can still build and rank so called micro sites of about 5 pages or more, but you need to write great content and the articles must be over 700 words.
      This is not necessarily true.

      There are still sites that have less content and shorter word articles that are still ranked number 1 or on page one of Google for their keywords.

      There are also still those with many domains on a single hosting account with hostgator whose sites have not lost rank.

      Check your own site out here if you have been de-indexed and find out what is going on, do the steps to improve it and apply for Google to reconsider your site.

      https://www.google.com/webmasters/tools/home?hl=en

      And go here to get what Google is looking for so that if your site hasn't been de-indexed yet, you can do things to keep it the way Google wants it:

      Webmaster Guidelines - Webmaster Tools Help

      Finally, if SEO is your only source of traffic, start now to create other sources of traffic outside of SEO.

      You should NOT have all your traffic dependent on one source.
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    • Profile picture of the author remodeler
      Originally Posted by imwarrior84 View Post

      You can still build and rank so called micro sites of about 5 pages or more, but you need to write great content and the articles must be over 700 words.
      Where in ANY Google guidelines can this be found?
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  • Profile picture of the author seankaye
    Yeah, I'm reading similar results everywhere - seems Google has either rolled something back or the changes they've made took some time to implement.
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  • Profile picture of the author hocuspocus32
    I just had two sites which where ranking in top 10 for 10 keywords lost there rankings between april 14 and april 17th, Today morning one of my sites is back to where it was, but one is still no where. Its an EMD (BOTH) , and i dont think Google is penalizing or anything, sites will bounce back, its just the site has reacted to the new algo changes that G made. One of mine is back and I hope to see the 2nd one also back soon, it was at rank 1.

    I have not used BMR,ALN or any other stuff like that in any of these sites

    Both are hosted in hostgator as well
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  • Profile picture of the author hocuspocus32
    i find a lot of discussion today in the google webmaster forum, and the problem was the shared hosting account:

    https://groups.google.com/a/googleproductforums.com/forum/#!msg/webmasters/p-14-ZbK5uc/y4ck-Zz9GGAJ

    Google problem, not ours.
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    • Profile picture of the author Zack5
      Go read the article I've shared... (blog . iacquire . com) . Every single word of it. It will make much more sense now.

      1. Google - sends message via GWT.

      2. A few weeks after receiving the message, "flash crash".

      3. Sites rebound after 4 days.

      *Edit* I spoke too soon... my sites are gone from the SERPs again!!
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      • Profile picture of the author JeanneLynn
        Originally Posted by Zack5 View Post


        *Edit* I spoke too soon... my sites are gone from the SERPs again!!
        That's crazy! What is going on now?
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  • Profile picture of the author lancejeffersons
    Have you guys read this stuff about Google penalizing sites that are over optimized - Too Much SEO? Google
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  • Profile picture of the author MortgageLender
    I've seen some big drops in a couple of my thinner sites. When I say thin, these sites still have 20+ pages. My authority sites with 100+ pages are killing it though.

    The shortcuts are gone it seems. I am fine with that.
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  • Profile picture of the author hicksdelight
    My understanding of 'thin' sites isn't the amount of articles, according to that Google human review document that got 'leaked', thin sites = content you can get elsewhere, i.e you aren't offering anything new to the searcher.

    Dunno if it's right or wrong but I still see loads of 1/2/3 page sites ranking, but they do offer decent content even if it isn't much, and all be it these are low competitive keywords, too.
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  • Profile picture of the author MSC
    I guess you got hit by so called "over optimization penalty". If all your internal and external links had anchor text your EMD, then this is the main reason you got hit.
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