$10,000 a month Adsense Accounut Banned

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I always enjoy reading this guys blog. He is very transparent about what he does. But, his business just got smacked! $10,000 a month down to zero. This is the same guy who created Longtail pro keyword search software.

OUCH! OUCH! DOUBLE OUCH!

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  • Profile picture of the author fedor50
    that sucks.that's one reason why I refuse to put all of my eggs in one basket.
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  • Profile picture of the author fin
    I really find it hard to believe why anyone would base their business of Adsense.

    When I first found out what it was, common sense told me it was crazy.

    It's worse than building your business on quicksand. It's like building your business on the middle of an ice cube in the Sahara and waiting until it melts.

    Feel sorry for the guy. $10,000 per month must have been a lot of effort.
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    • Profile picture of the author boxoun
      The same reason why people base their business off adwords.

      Adsense publishers drive traffic for advertisers. If done properly, I see no reason why it shouldnt be a valid business model but with Google and their lack of interest to guide us on quality or fixing certain issues..you are correct. It is a business built on quicksand.

      Originally Posted by fin View Post

      I really find it hard to believe why anyone would base their business of Adsense.

      When I first found out what it was, common sense told me it was crazy.

      It's worse than building your business on quicksand. It's like building your business on the middle of an ice cube in the Sahara and waiting until it melts.

      Feel sorry for the guy. $10,000 per month must have been a lot of effort.
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    • Profile picture of the author mrjosco
      Originally Posted by fin View Post

      I really find it hard to believe why anyone would base their business of Adsense.

      When I first found out what it was, common sense told me it was crazy.

      It's worse than building your business on quicksand. It's like building your business on the middle of an ice cube in the Sahara and waiting until it melts.

      Feel sorry for the guy. $10,000 per month must have been a lot of effort.
      He will tell you why he based it on adsense: It made him 10k a month for a LONG time.

      There is no such thing as a business that is 100% independent. You need vendors, customers, distributors, etc for any business.
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  • Profile picture of the author rmolina88
    He's part of the club now!
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    I had my adsense account banned years ago just before I would have gotten my first payment. They said that the clicks were fake. I have no idea why they thought that - I didn't click them even once. Nothing you can do to appease the adsense gods once they decide to be angry at you.
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  • Profile picture of the author Des Lau
    YOUCH.

    I think the image suits it to a tee:

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  • Profile picture of the author ltrain_riders
    Diversify.

    I like how he's now giving away how he made $125k in 2011 from AdSense. I wonder if this giveaway is before or after his method tanked.
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  • Profile picture of the author Premier Plugins
    Yea, I really don't understand Google's Adsense department. From all the stuff I've read, it seems as though they do NOT want anyone using adsense on websites and if you do, they'll get mad at you and eventually ban you.
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  • Profile picture of the author ltrain_riders
    His wisest words of wisdom:

    I’ve always known that a better strategy is to build a larger site that you are in love with and provide unique tools or other value to the end user.
    It's the ol' Quality vs Quantity. Higher quality is the way to go. The people who make legitimate long term money are the ones who provide a valuable service. This guy had 200 sites. I'm going to say only 20% of them were making him 80% of his money. If he focused on the top 40 sites and dropped the rest maybe things would be different?
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    • Profile picture of the author Raydal
      Interestingly, advertising is the major part of Google's income
      but they don't seem to like when other people make Adsense
      a major part of their income.

      If they sense that you are building website just for Adsense
      then they frown on that. A little hypocritical if you asked
      me.

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  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
    Banned
    Wow ... that's a lot of money to lose. In his post, he mentioned a list of others who are banned also. It looks like Google is doing more than just deindexing "thin affiliate sites" ... but also banning their Adsense accounts for those type of sites.
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  • Profile picture of the author MarvinRivera
    ...Sad to hear about that, I also got my Adsense Account banned last year I think and the funny thing is I have never yet used that account on any sites whatsoever yet they send me the same message and disabled my account,
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    • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
      Banned
      Originally Posted by MarvinRivera View Post

      ...Sad to hear about that, I also got my Adsense Account banned last year I think and the funny thing is I have never yet used that account on any sites whatsoever yet they send me the same message and disabled my account,
      Now that's pretty funny. How can you generate invalid clicks if you're not using it on any of your sites? Only Google knows the answer to that.
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      • Profile picture of the author Raydal
        Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

        Now that's pretty funny. How can you generate invalid clicks if you're not using it on any of your sites? Only Google knows the answer to that.
        They studied his site ownership trend (remember they are Google) and banned him in anticipation of getting invalid clicks.

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      • Profile picture of the author paulgl
        Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

        Now that's pretty funny. How can you generate invalid clicks if you're not using it on any of your sites? Only Google knows the answer to that.
        LOL!!!!!!!!!! The invalid activity here at the WF speaks volumes!

        This thread is just more of it.

        For your consideration:
        Originally Posted by Adem3 View Post

        I hate when big companies like Paypal and Google screw genuine people!
        I hate it when genuine people screw paypal and google. Makes them have a take
        no prisoners attitude. Seriously. Use it or don't use it. It's not a friggin right
        to allow you in. Or keep you.

        I wonder how much publicity I could generate on an otherwise
        lame blog, posting, "Just had a $50,000 a month adsense account banned!"

        In fact, If I read that on some blog, I'd immediately stop reading it
        and ignore any and all advice on it!


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  • Profile picture of the author MrMonetize
    Ive read Spencers blog for a while, he seems knowledgeable but ive never followed his guides. To base your entire business model on one Adsense ID seems naive. I know he's started to diversify, but that is something i've done from the beginning. Ive got my fingers in multiple pies to generate my income. I'm not earning 10k per month just yet but i'd hate to have that sort of income stopped without warning, especially after working for years to perfect the business model. Isn't Google cutting its nose off to spite its face? Don't they earn massively too by every ad that is clicked on?
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  • Profile picture of the author Eyetrap
    Google canceled his llc adsense accounts too. He had multiple Adsense accounts but they were all with his name under llcs.
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    • Profile picture of the author kindsvater
      $10k is a lot of money. I don't want this to appear self serving, but he should see an attorney.

      Here is why, using a hypothetical:

      If you have 100 websites each making $100 per month ($10,000 per month) and 5 have an increased risk of invalid activity (risk does not mean in fact there is a problem) then the amount at risk should be $500.

      Yet Google took $9500 that was unquestionably legitimately earned - in this hypothetical.

      Of course we have not seen the sites, know of any warnings, and do not have anything to evaluate this one way or the other except a blog post.

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      • Profile picture of the author jordan08
        Originally Posted by kindsvater View Post

        $10k is a lot of money. I don't want this to appear self serving, but he should see an attorney.

        Here is why, using a hypothetical:

        If you have 100 websites each making $100 per month ($10,000 per month) and 5 have an increased risk of invalid activity (risk does not mean in fact there is a problem) then the amount at risk should be $500.

        Yet Google took $9500 that was unquestionably legitimately earned - in this hypothetical.

        Of course we have not seen the sites, know of any warnings, and do not have anything to evaluate this one way or the other except a blog post.

        .

        Thanks for weighing in on this.

        As mentioned earlier in this thread, it really is an injustice that Google is not being held accountable for their actions, but at the same time wants to hold others accountable.

        I wonder what the Big G would do with a class action suit that included all of the IMers that have gotten the shaft??
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        • Profile picture of the author mosthost
          Originally Posted by jordan08 View Post

          Thanks for weighing in on this.

          As mentioned earlier in this thread, it really is an injustice that Google is not being held accountable for their actions, but at the same time wants to hold others accountable.

          I wonder what the Big G would do with a class action suit that included all of the IMers that have gotten the shaft??
          They would have no problem because of their TOS. They don't guarantee anything. In fact, they disclaim EVERYTHING. They can terminate who they want, how the want, when they want. And they do.
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          • Profile picture of the author Nathan251
            micro niche sites are not dead

            you may as well say that people with specific interests, hobbies or concerns will not have them catered for in Google

            I think google will ban you only if a series of things are going on

            a) thin site

            b) poor quality content

            c) artificially created backlinks

            d) overly optimized page with heavy concentration of ads

            e) little variation in the sites, i.e. 5 or 6 pages of text-based articles, no video, few images etc etc


            if google sees that a to e are going on with your sites and the pattern is repeated in multiple sites they may shut you down although I believe the least they should do is give you a warning first to modify your sites

            so micro niche sites are not dead - what is in danger is low quality mfa sites, there is a difference there

            make a good site and you shouldn't have too much to worry about

            for example if I make a site about dog grooming techniques and have loads of videos and images and real original content and if i make it personal, say I have a photo of my own dog on the home page and one section of the webpage is about how I took him to various competitions etc etc - well then google are going to think that I actually care about the niche and they won't ban me.....I think that is a key point that people often overlook, make things more personal if possible, try to convince google that you have a passion about the niche and actually care about it rather than giving the impression that you stuck the site up in a few hours with outsourced or spun articles with over optimized SEO because if so google will smell the whiff of "this site is only here to make money" from a mile away
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          • Profile picture of the author looking4adsense
            ToS does not protect them from lawsuits, it's just a weapon, but does not guarantee they will win such lawsuits.

            Originally Posted by mosthost View Post

            They would have no problem because of their TOS. They don't guarantee anything. In fact, they disclaim EVERYTHING. They can terminate who they want, how the want, when they want. And they do.
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            • Profile picture of the author Ant B
              Originally Posted by looking4adsense View Post

              ToS does not protect them from lawsuits, it's just a weapon, but does not guarantee they will win such lawsuits.
              The amount of money they earn and the lawyers they have at their disposal pretty much protects them from the majority of lawsuits, particularly those from a small to average adsense publisher...
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  • Profile picture of the author veheme
    Did he mention anything about why he was banned?
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  • Profile picture of the author godoveryou
    Google's lack out accountability while demanding everyone else should be 100% accountable for things out of their control is basically the whole reason I started a forum, among other reasons.

    When they got in the business of hurting families by pulling the rug out from underneath them, I got into the business of embarrassing their search engine.

    I know this might draw some anger but really, it's just meant to be matter-of-fact. If you ask 'why' something happened ... They tell you to contact their legal department when ignoring you fails...
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  • Profile picture of the author Mirque
    Google Adsense is a really good way to monetize a website, but you shouldn't base all your business on this. The good prices include that they ban very easily.
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  • Profile picture of the author PPC-Coach
    That's actually a good thing, now he can make 3 to 5 times that amount per month just by putting up ads for CPA offers to replace the adsense garbage.

    I still don't understand why anyone uses that crap. There's much more profitable ways to monetize niche sites.

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    • Profile picture of the author jimnastics
      Originally Posted by PPC-Coach View Post

      That's actually a good thing, now he can make 3 to 5 times that amount per month just by putting up ads for CPA offers to replace the adsense garbage.

      I still don't understand why anyone uses that crap. There's much more profitable ways to monetize niche sites.

      You are spot on... I always stick Adsense on my sites just for the chance of clicks, but I always give the best slots to CPA / affiliate offers that will bring in bigger bucks.
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  • Profile picture of the author OmarNegron
    This happened to me as well. Banned an account that was owed nice money and weird it happened on the 16th of March (around the same time).

    I've been following Spencer for a long time now and he is a great guy. Even though this happened NO ONE can take away what he has learned and the skills he has gained throughout the process such as picking the right keywords, rankings sites etc.

    But yeah, this just shows don't rely on adsense at all. Ever. Have other streams.

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    • Profile picture of the author netmondon
      Yea the same exact thing happened to me on the same day... It's very weird that a lot of people got their accounts banned around that time... And what a coincidence that google didn't payout before the termination.... They are nothing short of thieves
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  • Profile picture of the author giseo
    So his sites were micro niche? Seems like the writing has been on the wall for such sites for awhile now.
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  • Profile picture of the author nicolasodc
    I've been following Spencer's blog for a while now and it also came as a shock to read that he had been banned...
    This really proves Google just do what they want when they want... but one thing though, one of the comment to his post mentioned that Google also inexplicably shut downs large auth sites respecting their rules... i mean sites with valid and useful content, not micro niches...
    So i think the problem is really about Google, not about building up micro niches or whatsoever.

    I've read in the ocmments that media.net could be a good alternative option? what do you guys think?
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    • Profile picture of the author Legit SEO
      Originally Posted by nicdo77 View Post

      I've been following Spencer's blog for a while now and it also came as a shock to read that he had been banned...
      This really proves Google just do what they want when they want... but one thing though, one of the comment to his post mentioned that Google also inexplicably shut downs large auth sites respecting their rules... i mean sites with valid and useful content, not micro niches...
      So i think the problem is really about Google, not about building up micro niches or whatsoever.

      I've read in the ocmments that media.net could be a good alternative option? what do you guys think?
      Media.net, Infolinks, and CJ.cm are all great alternatives.

      Google is the worst run business in the world and I can't wait to watch it burn. They are complete idiots for handling their publishers like this and it's only a matter of time before they are replaced (media.net, FB PPC and bing's search engine are great contenders). They got one thing right, their search engine, then they tried to take over the world with 50 different spinoffs (buzz, G+, wave, G labs, G coupons, etc,etc, etc) now they are trying to make up for it by spamming users with ads, banning adsense users left and right, and providing terrible SERP's results to push their adwords service. Okay maybe they're not doing that on purpose but why the heck are horribly spun 2.0 posts and bookmarks outranking authority sites now?? Seems like Google is determined to destroy itself and they are doing a great job so far!

      /rantover
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  • Profile picture of the author yoedi
    Ohhh! how sad! How did all this happen..

    This is probably the reason why some IM prefer to choose other adsense to earn money..
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  • Profile picture of the author Rukshan
    What we have to learn is "Don't depend on 1 Method to Earn"
    I know this guy have many ways to earn via mail list, Products and affiliate.
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  • Profile picture of the author Al amin
    Its really sad. i have also lost my Google adsense account ban with $1000+ on it. I don't know what's wrong with Adsense. They think them self god.
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  • Profile picture of the author EdCanape
    ah google adsense... i also learned it the hard way.... i am making $3k to $5k a month for my 6 website using 1 account and then Google hammer!!! kaboom!!! they told me it was an invalid click WTF!!! 90% of their traffic are from google organic!!! LOL

    so what the hell i do? Diversify revenue stream & Multiple accounts.
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  • Profile picture of the author ElTrabajo
    People who make sites only for money on adsense are likely to be banned. That guy opened 200 sites just to make money and he was targetting keywords and micro niches.

    It's common sense that this sort of thing wont last very long.

    I'm myself making 4 000 USD per month with Adsense, 3000 USD for one site, 700 for another and 300 USD for two other small sites.

    I have more than 125 sites but Adsense only on a few of them, why ? Because it's too difficult to manage Adsense on so many sites, check for fake clicks and bombings (yes i had bombing attacks on my sites but i reported them with IP, StatCounter logs, actions takens, etc.)

    Google Adsense don't like micro sites, they don't like them, don't put Adsense on those sites or you are at risk of being banned. They want quality traffic, quality content sites, large sites, authority sites.

    I have a friend who was making 30K USD with adsense with micro sites, he got them all banned from Google and now he's crying everyday as he lost his business.
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    • Profile picture of the author nicolasodc
      Originally Posted by ElTrabajo View Post


      Google Adsense don't like micro sites, they don't like them, don't put Adsense on those sites or you are at risk of being banned. They want quality traffic, quality content sites, large sites, authority sites.
      Would you guys say its ok to build micro niche sites and try to make them appear in the first page of Google searches... WITHOUT monetizing it via Adsense? (for example using CPA offers, affiliate banners, media.net...)

      Or are micro niche sites also in danger in the Google search results, independently from having or not having Adsense ads on them??
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      • Profile picture of the author ElTrabajo
        It depends on what you call a micro niche site, give an example.

        I have some micro niche sites that have hundreds of pages with good content and are ranking #1 on Google, yet i still don't use Adsense on those sites as i have something else to sell.

        My first advice is : Don't use Adsense on any site that have less than 200 NEW unique organic visitors per day.

        Then don't use Adsene on any site that make less than 100 USD per month in revenue.

        And of course read the Adsense rules and don't try to cheat Google, you wont like the result. Even if you make some good money for a few months or years you will get banned when you don't expect it and that's rude.
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        • Profile picture of the author nicolasodc
          Originally Posted by ElTrabajo View Post

          It depends on what you call a micro niche site, give an example.

          I have some micro niche sites that have hundreds of pages with good content and are ranking #1 on Google, yet i still don't use Adsense on those sites as i have something else to sell.

          My first advice is : Don't use Adsense on any site that have less than 200 NEW unique organic visitors per day.

          Then don't use Adsene on any site that make less than 100 USD per month in revenue.

          And of course read the Adsense rules and don't try to cheat Google, you wont like the result. Even if you make some good money for a few months or years you will get banned when you don't expect it and that's rude.
          Well i was talking about the "typical" micro site niche, with 6-8 pages of not so great content and full of Adsense ads. Do you think this kind of site are also meant to be deindexed from Google search results, independently from the impossibility or the risk to put Adsense on them.

          Here we are saying that Spencer's Adsense account has been banned, but do you think he will also lose all the incoming traffic (i.e. his micro site will be deindexed by Google).
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          • Profile picture of the author ElTrabajo
            Originally Posted by nicdo77 View Post

            Well i was talking about the "typical" micro site niche, with 6-8 pages of not so great content and full of Adsense ads. Do you think this kind of site are also meant to be deindexed from Google search results, independently from the impossibility or the risk to put Adsense on them.

            Here we are saying that Spencer's Adsense account has been banned, but do you think he will also lose all the incoming traffic (i.e. his micro site will be deindexed by Google).
            Google want quality content and quality sites, one day they will get rid of the crap and it would be better for you to switch as fast as you can to real sites that are useful to people.
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            • Profile picture of the author todawg_not
              I've watched Spencer for awhile too and he's the real deal. From what he learnt from Niche pursuits I'm sure he'll bounce back with something bigger and more BadAss soon.

              Regardless of what the reason Google said to shut his acc down whether it was

              • invalid clicks
              • or they don't like micro sites
              • or they don't like people building adsense sites purely for profit
              • or they don't like publishers revealing adsense inner secrets
              that does not excuse them from acting like ****ing dogs. They would not be the billion dollar company it is today if it wasn't on the backs of thousands of small time publishers (to feed the adwords machine).

              Why should we be surprised?, they did it with Adwords too.

              Just because they've made they're billions all of a sudden it's ok to treat people different.

              PWFFfttt.....

              rant over and out
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            • Profile picture of the author heymonkey
              Originally Posted by ElTrabajo View Post

              Google want quality content and quality sites, one day they will get rid of the crap and it would be better for you to switch as fast as you can to real sites that are useful to people.
              I agree with ElTrabajo, the people who are cursing at Google are the ones polluting the Internet with junk sites optimized for their own profits. Niche blogger had 200 over sites, all his sites were created with the sole intention of making money, not providing true value. I'm not the least sympathetic.
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              • Profile picture of the author mosthost
                Originally Posted by heymonkey View Post

                I agree with ElTrabajo, the people who are cursing at Google are the ones polluting the Internet with junk sites optimized for their own profits. Niche blogger had 200 over sites, all his sites were created with the sole intention of making money, not providing true value. I'm not the least sympathetic.
                It's easy to be judgmental, as you prove here. The problem is, who gets to judge whether someone is adding 'true value' to the web? Google apparently, who remains the sole arbiter of good taste, and true value.

                The problem is, they're imperfect, as their algo proves countless times every day.

                More likely, Google shuts down accounts that get to $10,000 per month because they have additional paperwork to do. Let's say the close 500 such accounts a month and pocket the money. That's a cool $60,000,000.00 USD per year.

                Such a small number would hardly go noticed.
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                • Profile picture of the author heymonkey
                  Originally Posted by ElTrabajo View Post

                  Google want quality content and quality sites, one day they will get rid of the crap and it would be better for you to switch as fast as you can to real sites that are useful to people.
                  Originally Posted by mosthost View Post

                  It's easy to be judgmental, as you prove here. The problem is, who gets to judge whether someone is adding 'true value' to the web? Google apparently, who remains the sole arbiter of good taste, and true value.

                  The problem is, they're imperfect, as their algo proves countless times every day.

                  More likely, Google shuts down accounts that get to $10,000 per month because they have additional paperwork to do. Let's say the close 500 such accounts a month and pocket the money. That's a cool $60,000,000.00 USD per year.

                  Such a small number would hardly go noticed.
                  I'm not going to argue with you over the internet, it's fruitless. On a related note, Google should rid Gmail of the spam filter, who are they to decide whether those blue pills and penis englargement ads are adding true value for the email recipient.

                  p.s. Your ballpark figures are unsubstantiated, and reframing a situation doesn't work on a fellow internet marketer.
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                  • Profile picture of the author mosthost
                    Originally Posted by heymonkey View Post

                    I'm not going to argue with you over the internet, it's fruitless. On a related note, Google should rid Gmail of the spam filter, who are they to decide whether those blue pills and penis englargement ads are adding true value for the email recipient.

                    p.s. Your ballpark figures are unsubstantiated, and reframing a situation doesn't work on a fellow internet marketer.
                    Okay, as long as you're just going to comment and not argue

                    I didn't claim my 'ballpark figures' were accurate. Only Google knows how many publishers they shut down and how much money they keep. Since no one is watching them, I'm sure the numbers are stunning.

                    Since you're an 'IM,' you don't get to decide what true value is. Any website 'built for profit' could be criticized, whether it's a micro-niche site or not.
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            • Profile picture of the author socomplete
              Ok so, here's the thing: I wrote an article: Adsense should not be your primary income because I feel as if I could be next.

              From what I notice, a lot of people are being banned, so dividing revenue streams is a must right now. If your goal is $10,000 per month, make $1,000 in adsense, $1,000 in clickbank, $1,000 In pay per Call, $1,000 in from commission junction, $7,000 with your own products and services, and so forth. Then you could take each revenue stream, 1 at a time.

              There is an entire world outside of Google + adsense blogs.

              From the work I've put into my small business, it's just easier to rank in the search engines when you have a larger, more targeted website, then little small sites.

              I still don't think that niche marketing is over, I just feel that the larger niche blog, large eCommerce sites, large membership sites where you are the merchant, give you much more control.

              With all of this internet censorship, Google bans, paypal freezes going on, control is a must in 2012 and beyond.
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      • Profile picture of the author Dellco
        People, a very simple question to ask yourselves...

        Would you yourself visit your own micro niche sites and consider them to be a great resource?

        If you know the answer to that, then stop pushing that sort of thing onto web surfers, jamming up Google's SERPs, and then giving them a great excuse to ban, or penalize you.

        Google does a lot of wrong, but internet marketers collectively do themselves absolutely no favors at all, whatsoever. If Google is sued in a court of law, I think Google will win most of their cases easily.
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  • Profile picture of the author shab
    the moment he started to build micro niche sites was already a suicide.
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  • Profile picture of the author the goat
    Originally Posted by robsterhews View Post

    He is very transparent about what he does.
    There's his biggest problem right there. I never understood people who make good money with Adsense that scream the details from a mountain top complete with earning reports and posts on how to manipulate search engine rankings.

    Adsense doesn't like micro niche sites, he has a website named "niche pur$uits".

    Adsense doesn't like people sharing their revenue details, he has a category named "my earnings" on his site.

    Etc. etc.

    Talk about poking a Grizzly Bear with a short stick.
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    • Profile picture of the author MrMonetize
      Originally Posted by the goat View Post

      There's his biggest problem right there. I never understood people who make good money with Adsense that scream the details from a mountain top complete with earning reports and posts on how to manipulate search engine rankings.

      Adsense doesn't like micro niche sites, he has a website named "niche pur".

      Adsense doesn't like people sharing their revenue details, he has a category named "my earnings" on his site.

      Etc. etc.

      Talk about poking a Grizzly Bear with a short stick.
      I couldnt agree more with this, why would you advertise to the world and effectively gloat about how to game Google and make a mint using Adsense and then wonder why they close you down. All you've done is alert them to your ventures and probably encouraged a manual review of your sites / adsense ID.
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    • Profile picture of the author Rndmals
      Originally Posted by the goat View Post

      There's his biggest problem right there. I never understood people who make good money with Adsense that scream the details from a mountain top complete with earning reports and posts on how to manipulate search engine rankings.

      Adsense doesn't like micro niche sites, he has a website named "niche pur".

      Adsense doesn't like people sharing their revenue details, he has a category named "my earnings" on his site.

      Etc. etc.

      Talk about poking a Grizzly Bear with a short stick.
      Agree totally.

      Why put a bull's eye on your back like that? Him and his other "blogging" buddies, standing on the top of the mountain "hey look at me, I make this and this much, I do this and this to manipulate the rankings" - pure silliness. I understand they probably want to peddle some other crap through the "blogs" but come on, use your brain!

      And then they wonder why they get banned.
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  • Profile picture of the author jimnastics
    A lot of people have a problem with using micro niche sites + Adsense to make a quick buck... I don't. I would quite happily build 200 x 3 page sites, get them ranking, stick Adsense on them and earn the money whilst it's there. If Google shut my Adsense and I lose all the cash still in the account that month, of course I would be gutted, but it would be offset by the many thousands I've creamed from them over the months and years before (like the guy in this thread). Take your medicine whilst looking at your bank account, then monetize all your great ranking sites in any other ways you like.

    Some people should climb down from their high horse... IM is a cut throat business, we're not all here to fill the internet with stunning content and hope to make some cash on the side. I'm here to make cash in the quickest, easiest way I can find, and I'm happy to roll with the punches.
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    • Profile picture of the author Dellco
      Originally Posted by jimnastics View Post

      A lot of people have a problem with using micro niche sites + Adsense to make a quick buck... I don't. I would quite happily build 200 x 3 page sites, get them ranking, stick Adsense on them and earn the money whilst it's there. If Google shut my Adsense and I lose all the cash still in the account that month, of course I would be gutted, but it would be offset by the many thousands I've creamed from them over the months and years before (like the guy in this thread). Take your medicine whilst looking at your bank account, then monetize all your great ranking sites in any other ways you like.

      Some people should climb down from their high horse... IM is a cut throat business, we're not all here to fill the internet with stunning content and hope to make some cash on the side. I'm here to make cash in the quickest, easiest way I can find, and I'm happy to roll with the punches.
      Well at least you're being honest, LOL.

      But precisely why IM is getting harder and harder, and rapidly, I might add. Within the past 6 months, Google initiated more changes than the past 6 years.

      Newcomers to this are going to find the going very tough, and perhaps impossible, one day.... Even the oldies are getting a lot of surprises....

      I'm here for the long run and i want to make money for a very long time.
      Same here.
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    • Profile picture of the author hammertorch
      Originally Posted by jimnastics View Post

      A lot of people have a problem with using micro niche sites + Adsense to make a quick buck... I don't. I would quite happily build 200 x 3 page sites, get them ranking, stick Adsense on them and earn the money whilst it's there. If Google shut my Adsense and I lose all the cash still in the account that month, of course I would be gutted, but it would be offset by the many thousands I've creamed from them over the months and years before (like the guy in this thread). Take your medicine whilst looking at your bank account, then monetize all your great ranking sites in any other ways you like.

      Some people should climb down from their high horse... IM is a cut throat business, we're not all here to fill the internet with stunning content and hope to make some cash on the side. I'm here to make cash in the quickest, easiest way I can find, and I'm happy to roll with the punches.
      now that sounds like a real warrior! bravo!
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  • Profile picture of the author ElTrabajo
    jimnastics you are likely to be banned from adsense one day or another, if you know it and don't care it's up to you. I'm here for the long run and i want to make money for a very long time.
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  • Profile picture of the author Oranges
    If he makes $10,000 with adsense....he'll surely find some other and better ways to monetize his traffic. Majority of adsense slapped people end up earning more with affiliate and other methods....so not a big deal.
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  • Profile picture of the author socialbookmark
    If he could earn $10,000 monthly from adsense his traffic is a lot and he still can make money from other networks or using another way. Adsense is the best ppc network but its not the only way for making money through the net.
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  • Profile picture of the author ElTrabajo
    In fact when you make money with adsense it's because all the other ways are not working on your site. That's why i build my business equitably concerning my sources of income.

    Adsense today is too high in my balance with 50% of my revenue that i couldn't afford to lose if something went wrong, i'm counter balancing this by building more traffic & sites in niches where i don't use Adsense at all.
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    • Profile picture of the author nicolasodc
      Originally Posted by ElTrabajo View Post

      In fact when you make money with adsense it's because all the other ways are not working on your site. That's why i build my business equitably concerning my sources of income.

      Adsense today is too high in my balance with 50% of my revenue that i couldn't afford to lose if something went wrong, i'm counter balancing this by building more traffic & sites in niches where i don't use Adsense at all.
      So what do you use? other ad networks?
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  • Profile picture of the author vipinlalla
    why to cry, if you have that huge amount of traffic, you can easily make tons from other networks too, but yeah adsense is best among them
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  • Profile picture of the author TryBPO
    Interesting thread here...

    We've followed Spencer for quite a while and have had a few chats with him in recent months. He's helped countless people in getting their IM business up and running and given away a TON of free tips, tricks, and info for free on his site. It's been mentioned here that he's earning $10,000/month in AdSense...that's way to low. He STOPPED reporting his income when he was up to $13,000 per month and that was quite a few months ago. I'm sure it's much higher than that now.

    I think it's easy to say, after the fact, that he should have done this, done that, etc. I would go so far as to guess that a huge majority of people in this thread so far aren't making that kind of money in IM...and you really don't know what you would do if you were actually in that situation. It's easy to say now that he should scrap what he's doing, build true authority sites, Google hates micro-niche, etc...but I promise it would be difficult to dump what you're doing when you're (probably) making 15K or more per month in AdSense.

    The other thing that's funny is that so many people are claiming Spencer should have diversified. Except...he DID! He created LongTailPro which has done extremely well in sales. (We've sold quite a few of the licenses ourselves and we're one of MANY affiliates for the product) Additionally, he just came out with a theme that made like 25K or so in the first several days of launching...not too shabby. Niche sites are just a portion of his income and his portfolio...

    I think it's a bit premature to say that Google is banning AdSense accounts that are attached to niche sites. Way premature, actually. NOBODY knows (including Spencer) why his account was disabled...or those of other prominent AdSense earners recently. There are a ton of options:

    - Multiple AdSense accounts
    - Clickbombing from competitors
    - Clicks not performing well for advertisers
    - Google AdSense program looking to thin out their low-level publishers

    ...and many more potential reasons.

    Either way, we're extremely grateful for some of the great content and information Spencer has put out. As one of the commenters on his blog mentioned...his site will most likely get even MORE interesting now that he has to scramble to find other networks to use to replace (or increase?) his earnings from AdSense.
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  • Profile picture of the author ElTrabajo
    The problem are not niche sites but to build doggy sites for revenue. You can make a niche site with great content and be the authority for that niche, that's what i'm doing myself and i'm making 9K USD with only ONE niche site (3K with adsense only, 4.5K for direct display advertisers who want to be there and the rest with an affiliate program).
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    • Profile picture of the author DBracey
      Google is forcing a new paradigm shift in the way their search engine is viewed. This wave of Adsense bans and Penguin implementations and so on is, I believe, just a volley. If I were a betting man, I'd bet that Google's shifting approach as we're seeing it now will become even more radical in due course.

      I might be wrong, but for now I'm willing to wager that in the next few years SEO will be a term that's gone the way of the Dodo. We might refer to it as SEP (Search Engine Presence) or something similar that denotes our presence in the search engines rather than our tactics to make best use of their algorithms. That's the kind of paradigm shift Google are pushing for I think, and a lot of people are going to get burnt in the process as they force it to work.

      The trick is to try and think SEP now rather than later, and position yourself so that whatever Google does won't harm you. Yes, as some people here have said, diversifying is one way, but I somehow think in the end that alone won't protect you if your income has any form of reliance on traffic from indexation.

      Just dumping my thoughts.
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    • Profile picture of the author bengirwb
      If Google closes your account and refuses to pay $9,500 it owes you -

      And if Google claims that you made that $9,500 with invalid clicks -

      Then because the clicks were invalid, Google will return that $9,500 to the advertisers -

      Right?

      Fair is fair. Right?
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  • Profile picture of the author DesignWizz
    Harsh stuff.

    I'm sure he will be back
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  • Profile picture of the author prbindia
    if you are doing nothing wrong then you don't have to worry i have adsense account from last 8 months
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  • Profile picture of the author ElTrabajo
    My adsense account is almost 10 years old, never got a warning.
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  • Profile picture of the author john-7665
    i think they use some mathematics to know if clicks are real or fake
    now when a website has 3000 visitors per day it is not correct to get 3000 clicks on ads
    usually 3000 visitors might generate 100 - 1000 clicks on ads but not 3000 clicks
    there might be some percentage/method they use it to know if clicks are real or fake
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  • Profile picture of the author Dayes
    Google does not want sites that are created for the sole purpose of making a profit via Adsense. They want high quality sites that would still be around; even without Adsense on it.

    Not only did this guy create hundreds of 'Made for Adsense' sites, but he also actively encouraged others to follow in his footsteps.

    Keep this in mind, there is no such thing as an 'authority' or 'micro niche' site, there is only a 'high quality' site and a 'low quality' one.
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  • Profile picture of the author looking4adsense
    For small/unknown publishers, it's almost inevitable that your adsense account will be banned eventually. Because once your site is popular, there will be someone who hates you for some reason, and he will try to mass/repeat click your ads, google will pick this up and ban your account. Maybe not on first offense, but eventually they will ban it and will not listen to your appeal. I know, because I too had my $15k/month adsense account banned, for "invalid" clicks. Google why the fuk would I invalid click my $15k/month adsense account?

    Google Inc has missed revenue estimates for the past 2 quarters, and they are scratching their heads wondering why? because you banning huge accounts for retarded reasons, that's why.
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    Really feel sorry for the guy
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  • Profile picture of the author phans
    it really kinda shocked me :O

    at the moment i am building nichesites that would be monetized with adsense but i am not anymore sure if i should continue with the project :/
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  • Profile picture of the author timpears
    What the hell does this mean "After reviewing our records, we've determined that your AdSense account poses a risk of generating invalid activity." Any web site that has AdSense ads and traffic, has a chance of generating invalid clicks. Because there are so many jerks in the world that get a kick out of doing mischief.

    Google can be a real pain in the arse. They never tell anyone what needs to be done so their siet doesn't pose such a risk. You can't win with them.
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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
    Banned
    New title: Drama Drives Traffic!


    Anywho...

    Most of the list (link in OP) of so called Adsense alternatives that the blog post is considering isn't great.

    I mean people use AdBrite for driving low cost traffic (PPC). If the PPC guys are getting low cost bids on Adbrite, what's that tell you about the publishers income, best be driving some massive traffic.

    If the sites are useful & still have traffic, create your own product, or lease the traffic to the sites/pages ranked below you in the SERPs.

    As long as you have traffic, you still have money/options.
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  • Profile picture of the author imwarrior84
    google is banning all the microniche sites, better to change it as fast as you can.
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  • Profile picture of the author perfect
    The rate google bans accounts this time around is disturbing, making some guys out there to be afraid of unknown.
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  • Profile picture of the author ThatGuy1
    ouch that hurts.. He seems like a clever guy though, he can bounce back
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  • Profile picture of the author WillBeRich
    Does the nichepursuits-guy sell any ebook, WSO or something on how to build successful microsites?
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  • Profile picture of the author ryanvroman
    I don't get why everyone is blaming Google here. You build hundreds of trash sites, with no other purpose than to generate AdSense revenue.

    Google offers a search engine already - with results that may even include the same links/ads that your AdSense site does. Then you build tons of spammy links to boost up the rankings of this trash site. Then Google visitors click on the listing, then click on the ad. It's a double click to get to the information Google is trying to supply first.

    These are thin, junk sites, and you wonder why Google frowns upon it? You guys are mad at Google, claiming they don't understand business, but for what? Getting rid of trash sites and spam that is making their SERP suck? Like the Blog Networks, these AdSense sites will be gone soon enough.
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    • Profile picture of the author mrjosco
      Originally Posted by ryanvroman View Post

      I don't get why everyone is blaming Google here. You build hundreds of trash sites, with no other purpose than to generate AdSense revenue.

      Google offers a search engine already - with results that may even include the same links/ads that your AdSense site does. Then you build tons of spammy links to boost up the rankings of this trash site. Then Google visitors click on the listing, then click on the ad. It's a double click to get to the information Google is trying to supply first.

      These are thin, junk sites, and you wonder why Google frowns upon it? You guys are mad at Google, claiming they don't understand business, but for what? Getting rid of trash sites and spam that is making their SERP suck? Like the Blog Networks, these AdSense sites will be gone soon enough.
      So many people keep talking about all of his "trash" sites - but have you seen a single site of his? Do you know any of his webpages?

      Do you have any idea what you are talking about - or are you standing on a high horse shouting assumptions with no basis or backing for your blind, blanket statements?
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  • Profile picture of the author Kael41
    Many people who I know have suffered the ban hammer, had GOOD full content sites. Not thin client sites, but enough content to provide value. Who's to say that 12 page site about acid reflux which has above the fold adsense links to acid reflux adwords providers, doesn't offer up the same level of "quality content" and "good user experience" as an about.com or some other mega authority site? See, that's what gets me in all of this.

    Without a clear definition of what's acceptable and NOT (yes, I know all about the posted guidelines by Google..I do have over 400+ sites still going strong with Adsense), it is going to be a tough road to march down for many people who have no idea if and when the arbitrary ban hammer materializes...
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  • Profile picture of the author daweelmac
    Better not mess with Google. Once they decided to ban your account, you can do nothing about it.
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  • Profile picture of the author MeetMe@TheTop
    wow that sucks, I could only imagine what he felt like when he woke up and saw that. Big G is getting ****tier and ****tier to work with.
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  • Profile picture of the author hammertorch
    I don't know what's really the new algorithm of google or how can they check the site, are they checking it manually?? there are thousands of micro niche sites all over the web, i dont know if a real person would be checking those sites manually.. any idea?
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  • Profile picture of the author glock67
    there are alternatices to adsense such ad adbrite and chitika
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    • Profile picture of the author yukon
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      Originally Posted by glock67 View Post

      there are alternatices to adsense such ad adbrite and chitika
      Those are PPC alternatives, not Adsense alternatives. In order to be an Adsense alternitive they would have to produce an income for publishers, lol.

      I've tested chitika with my existing well converting Adsense traffic, chitika didn't convert anything into profit, it was a waste of time/money.
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  • Profile picture of the author footfoot
    Guaranteed it was his high profile that got him banned. If he would been simply more discreet, he'd still be banking.
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  • Profile picture of the author Troyman
    Sad. I would definitely recommend that everyone should issue payments every month. Know a guy who saved up 5k and when he asked for payment, it got completely wiped off.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dr.faizan
    Depending on his niche if the niche is something which can make money through lead generation then probably he can make much more than adsense. Sometimes things happen for our benefit.
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    • Profile picture of the author victimofghoogle
      Re the item from the guy who hadn't activated his account and still got banned for fraud clicks and the comment that it was done in anticipation. That actually happened to me last month:

      "After reviewing our records, we've determined that your AdSense account
      poses a risk of generating invalid activity. Because we have a
      responsibility to protect our AdWords advertisers from inflated costs due
      to invalid activity, we've found it necessary to disable your AdSense
      account. Your outstanding balance and Google's share of the revenue will
      both be fully refunded back to the affected advertisers."

      Fact is after some 2 years account had $24 in it ($6 of which was actually from commission on a sale of shoes through the google affiliate program NOT adsense so intrigued how and to whom they will refund that) I hadn't had a click since December 2011 and the clicks I had received were not fraudulent. There was no warning, nothing just bang.

      The really funny thing is google adwords operation has just been found to have "engaged in false and misleading advertising" by the Federal Court of Australia!!!!!
      Part of the news item states:
      "Google is in fact much more than a mere conduit," the court found. "Several features of the overall process indicates that Google engages in misleading conduct."
      The ACCC appeal centred on four ads for Harvey World Travel, Honda, Just 4X4 magazine and Alpha Dog Training, whose business names had been bought by rivals in Google's AdWords.
      "This is an important outcome because it makes it clear that Google and other search engine providers which use similar technology to Google will be directly accountable for misleading or deceptive paid search results," ACCC chairman Rod Sims said.
      Richard Hoad, a partner with law firm Clayton Utz, described the ACCC's victory as a significant one.
      "The decision places Google in a difficult position," Mr Hoad said. "While it will presumably look to impose further obligations on AdWords customers, based on this decision that may not be sufficient to protect Google from legal action. It can be expected to seek special leave to appeal to the High Court and possibly to agitate for some degree of legislative protection."
      In its judgment, the court said Google's AdWords allowed rival advertisers to buy words that returned sponsored results that, when clicked on, took consumers to websites of rival companies."


      The full item is on
      theaustralian(dot)com.au
      then add string
      /media/google-ads-ruling-hands-win-to-watchdog/story-e6frg996-1226317978370





      Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. Maybe they will ban themselves.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dinospider
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    it's such a shame that google are this harsh on legitimate publishers. The problem is too many people on the dark side have pushed google this far to keep banning adsense publishers that are legitimate with little to no answers on the reason why people are banned.
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  • Profile picture of the author brettb
    Guys - we're in recession. Ads just aren't converting. Google's automated processes will be taking a long hard look at publishers who aren't making money for their advertising clients.

    Anyone specifically targeting just $1+ click keywords in their AdSense account is in a risky place. Diversify guys!
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  • Profile picture of the author TheProgrammer
    oh that's very bad, Google doesn't care about our business, they only thinks about their own profit.
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  • Profile picture of the author JakeTech
    I wonder why Nichepursuits.com Site Info doesn't remotely agree with his story, that looks more like what alexa says when most of your site traffic comes from directcpv RON.
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  • Profile picture of the author makemoneyinlife
    this is really sad thing that happened, I'm his visitor too, if you're going to put all your eggs in one basket then you need to watch very good on it. But with google it can be hard sometimes.
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