Building new links to penalized pages will drop your rankings further

by nik0 Banned
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As you can see in my signature I provide SEO services and I was like many a huge fan of public blog networks like ALN, High PR society, Article Ranks, Unique Article Wizard and My Article Network, just to name a few...

Now after the huge deindexing of the blog networks, multiple clients have seen drops in rankings and my own sites as well, it sucks but it's the risk of getting fast results and we've almost all became victim of it in some way. A few weeks ago I took distance from all blog networks as it's only a matter of time to see the next deindexing as networks are rebuilding.

To make a long story short I have some interesting details to share, that I gathered cause I work on many sites and so see a lot of different things and start to notice certain trends so here a few examples:

EXAMPLE 1: Worked on a huge site with 1000's of indexed urls and we decided to target 30 url's. This site used ALN for 5 months and distributed 1000's of articles during that time before he contacted me. His drop in rankings stabilized and I started to build a wide variety of non blog network links with a large anchor variety as well. ONLY these 30 url's started to drop even further, while his other url rankings remained the same.

EXAMPLE 2: Worked on a site for a couple of months, few months ago the owner added a new url, most links that I builded before were pointing at his strong main url that had a wide diversity of lnks already. After the deindexing these rankings stayed the same. However his relative new innerpage url dropped back to page 4. We decided to add some really strong homepage links from sites with max 10 outbound links and real legit sites. This innerpage dropped to page 8. Again an example of a page that got many links from public blog networks and that dropped in rankings further after we start to build new strong links to it.

EXAMPLE 3: I got a few pages on my own site that are a few months old and I only used ALN and HighPRsociety on these innerpages. Obvious my rankings dropped from page 1 to page 2. Two weeks ago I started to build new non blog network links like bookmarks, web2.0's, forum posts, press releases and more but all in small portions with a good variety of anchor txt's. These pages have now dropped to page 5. At the same time my rootdomain also dropped, which has a huge variety of diverse links build in over a year. On this root url I hardly used any blog networks although the rankings did drop a bit, but I didnt build any links to it for 3 months cause I was busy with clients and kind of forgot about it. Anyway after building new linsk to the root the rankings climbed up again, but the same links to the inner url's caused a drop cause they only had blog network links before.

So what does this show you?


Pages that had many blog network links and hardly any other type of links dropped after the deindexing and after building brand new links to these pages the rankings drop even harder.


So my advice is to NOT build any new links to pages that are penalized. Give it a few months and start to rebuild links again but right now it's a very bad idea to build new links.

Ofcourse there will be people jumping in and saying you should only build quality links right now. Well as you can see in example 2, those very strong relevant homepage links moved the innerpage from page 4 to page 8, so long for the great high quality links.

Use this info as you like, I could write down another 7 examples that show the exact same as explained here but I think it's enough to prove my statement.
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  • Profile picture of the author LarryHaywood
    Interesting results my friend... How do you know a page has been penalized? Are you assuming this because of the rankings drop? I'm just curious b/c I'd like to find a way to see if pages are penalized or not...
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    • Profile picture of the author nik0
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      Originally Posted by LarryHaywood View Post

      Interesting results my friend... How do you know a page has been penalized? Are you assuming this because of the rankings drop? I'm just curious b/c I'd like to find a way to see if pages are penalized or not...
      Well there is not an exact way to tell, but all those clients had in common that they used ALN , HPRS , BMR or a mix of those before and they all dropped even harder after building new links.

      My other clients who didn't use any of the blog networks before climbed up in the rankings after using my service.
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  • Profile picture of the author danblinman
    Some very useful information here, thanks for sharing your experiences.

    I work for an SEO agency and have about 20 clients; whilst i have never used blog networks, your research will be useful anyway.
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  • Profile picture of the author adrixe
    Im really interested in this study about using blog networks.

    I only use AR, UAW, BI and BE now for my clients sites and all of them are doing good rankings.

    I also used SEOLV and TLJ a couple of months back.
    Got all my rankings for SEOLV and TLJ + Backlinks Energizer exclusively and did good.

    Now should I stay away from blog networks at all?
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    • Profile picture of the author nik0
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      Originally Posted by adrixe View Post

      Im really interested in this study about using blog networks.

      I only use AR, UAW, BI and BE now for my clients sites and all of them are doing good rankings.

      I also used SEOLV and TLJ a couple of months back.
      Got all my rankings for SEOLV and TLJ + Backlinks Energizer exclusively and did good.

      Now should I stay away from blog networks at all?
      I dont think AR, UAW and the others are hurt that much, simply cause they were very far from effective like BMR, ALN and HPRS were, so it seems Google leaves those alone a bit. I did some minor linkbuilding with those uaw, man, ar and such and never saw any increasements in rankings to be honest. Perhaps I didnt stick to them long enough to really say something about it.

      What is BI, BE and TLJ btw? I can't figure it out
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      • Profile picture of the author adrixe
        Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

        I dont think AR, UAW and the others are hurt that much, simply cause they were very far from effective like BMR, ALN and HPRS were, so it seems Google leaves those alone a bit. I did some minor linkbuilding with those uaw, man, ar and such and never saw any increasements in rankings to be honest. Perhaps I didnt stick to them long enough to really say something about it.

        What is BI, BE and TLJ btw? I can't figure it out
        I hope they wont touch ar!

        BI - Backlinksindexer
        BE - Backlinks Energizer
        TLJ - The Linkjuicer

        All of my clients are local business owners and give really unique contents everytime so it does help. all of them are in a medium-high competition kws. I never tried to rank any site that is build for adsense or anything like that so AR and UAW is doing it for me. I just like to use UAW for disctribution to get more links, I'm pretty sure they dont give any link juice but just to spread the links around.
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  • Profile picture of the author minigem
    Thanks for the useful information mate. Most blog networks these days, so I remove it on my link strategies
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  • Profile picture of the author ThatAblaze
    Hmmm.. you're probably not familiar with medical treatments but this case study of yours has a LOT in common with them.

    One of the biggest problems that doctors struggle with is that often a patient will either get better or get sicker in a week all on their own but if you prescribe a new medication then it is hard not to attribute that change to the new medication that you prescribed. Doctors often prescribe a placebo, which does nothing, and just see how the condition changes with the placebo. Because of the extremely complex interactions that are involved, and because many of the interactions are poorly understood, case studies, like the case study you have posted, are actually found to be wrong more often then right.

    You need to take a page from medical research. None of us know how your sites would have changed in the rankings if you had done nothing. It is very possible that your backlinking helped, but that the sites in question are not done dropping ranking. Some spiders may take months to process and adjust your site's new ranking. You just don't know.

    What you do know is that the interactions involved are extremely complex, have a large random element, and that none of us fully understand them. In a situation like that "test and check" has proven over time to produce unreliable data.
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    • Profile picture of the author nik0
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      wow this forum has some issue's with my posts not showing up
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    • Profile picture of the author nik0
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      Take it as you like. Perhaps you can explain me why the hundreds of other url's on the same site did not drop further in rankings. And why the site that got the new homepage links was stabilised for 2 full weeks and started to drop again after adding the homepage links. And the same counts for all the other sites, 10 case studies can't lie.
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  • Profile picture of the author ThatAblaze
    Google uses many web spiders that do many different jobs. It often takes them a long time to communicate with each other effectively. Their bots are also programmed with an "attention span." It is very possible that there were spiders that had not updated their portion of your web page's index yet. New high quality links could easily have attracted the attention of these bots and caused them to update the rankings. In this case you were always destined to lose those rankings eventually, but the new links triggered an update to the database sooner then would otherwise have been done.

    So the new links might have made a positive impact, but also updated your sites ranking for a greater negative effect. Since the only information you have access to is the end result you can't really make a determination.
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    • Profile picture of the author nik0
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      Originally Posted by ThatAblaze View Post

      Google uses many web spiders that do many different jobs. It often takes them a long time to communicate with each other effectively. Their bots are also programmed with an "attention span." It is very possible that there were spiders that had not updated their portion of your web page's index yet. New high quality links could easily have attracted the attention of these bots and caused them to update the rankings. In this case you were always destined to lose those rankings eventually, but the new links triggered an update to the database sooner then would otherwise have been done.

      So the new links might have made a positive impact, but also updated your sites ranking for a greater negative effect. Since the only information you have access to is the end result you can't really make a determination.
      You sure got a point there. Doesn't take away that new links cause a drop in rankings, and that specific case of the page that dropped to page 8 doesnt fit it really cause it had only 50 HighPRsociety links and those 4-5 homepage links that I builded are WAY stronger then those 50 links from them.
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  • Profile picture of the author ThatAblaze
    Absolutely, it's a great observation and thank you for posting it. I just think that it isn't a reason to give up.
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    • Profile picture of the author nik0
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      Originally Posted by ThatAblaze View Post

      Absolutely, it's a great observation and thank you for posting it. I just think that it isn't a reason to give up.
      We never give up but I think it's best to slow down a bit.
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  • Profile picture of the author LifeIsGood
    @nik0 Thanks for the insight, seriously.

    @ThatAblaze Brilliant observations and analogies. Thanks.

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