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12 years ago

If you know what XRumer is and how it works,
what kind of results do you think it is going to get?

How long do you think that cheating is going
to be profitable for you?

Just build your business right the first time.

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MidlandsMarketer

12 years ago

Originally Posted by MikeTucker

If you know what XRumer is and how it works,
what kind of results do you think it is going to get?

How long do you think that cheating is going
to be profitable for you?

Just build your business right the first time.

Look, I don't agree with using Xrumer, but calling it 'cheating' and suggesting that only a certain way of doing business is the 'right' way is unfair.

A mark of a succesful entrepreneur is that they take advantage of every opportunity presented to them. Using XRumer isn't illegal, it may not be considered 'ethical' by everyone's taste and its usefulness is debateable, but using it to promote a legitimate, quality site is not cheating.

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MikeTucker

12 years ago

Originally Posted by MidlandsMarketer

Look, I don't agree with using Xrumer, but calling it 'cheating' and suggesting that only a certain way of doing business is the 'right' way is unfair.

A mark of a succesful entrepreneur is that they take advantage of every opportunity presented to them. Using XRumer isn't illegal, it may not be considered 'ethical' by everyone's taste and its usefulness is debateable, but using it to promote a legitimate, quality site is not cheating.

Yeah, OK... cheating your way past CAPTCHA's and "blasting" your SPAM across thousands of forums, that isn't cheating, it's being a "successful entrepreneur"?

FYI that is illegal in the USA and UK and violates several SPAM laws (and sometimes anti-fraud laws), which is why you are routed through a cloaked link to a Russian host when you want to purchase it, and you have to us proxies just to utilize the software if you don't want your host to shut you down.

Here is the thought-process that goes on,
from a business perspective:

Black Hat
Hmm, I want some money. Let me think of a way to SCAM people.
Yes, this is a neat method for cheating, let me set it up.
OK, ready to go, let me make some money.
Awesome! I made some money. What a rush!
Oh damn, I got caught. They shut me down. Hope I don't get in legal trouble.
Thank goodness, no legal trouble, but now I am broke again.
I know, I'll try another method of cheating.
Let me set it up.
OK time to launch.
Finally, making a little money again. Hope this lasts!
Damn, got caught again. Shut down.
Being broke sucks.
Let me think of another way to cheat the system.
...And on and on.

White Hat
I would like some money, I think I'll start an Internet business.

Wow, I didn't know it would be this hard.
I am like the architect, construction company, advertising agency,
salesperson, inventory, management, and every other job
all in one person. Well, at least when the work is done I will
get all of their paychecks!

Hmm... That took longer than I wanted to.
I invested more money than I planned.
And I made a lot of mistakes, that cost me time and money.
But, at least I made a dollar in profit.
It sucks doing all of that work for a dollar, but now I know it can be done.

Wow, I'm working so hard and this is so slow, maybe I should quit?
Or maybe I should cheat?
NO! I won't quit and I won't cheat.

Finally, a real, live paying customer. Not much profit but it was nice.
Oh look, there is another one.
Another customer, well at least my monthly expenses are being paid now.

Oh, you want to refer your friends to me? That was nice of you.
Ah, more customers. So glad I didn't quit or cheat!
Another customer...
Oh, you want to refer your friends to me? Thank you!
Oh you want to refer your friends to me? Thank you!
Oh you want to refer your friends to me? Thank you!

Here is a little bonus for your referral, I really appreciate it!
Oh you want to refer more customers to me?
I promise to treat them as good as I've always treated you!

Oops... I'm getting too many customers. I need help!
Here, let me hire someone to do the tedious work for me...
Oh look, another customer...

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MidlandsMarketer

12 years ago

Originally Posted by MikeTucker

Yeah, OK... cheating your way past CAPTCHA's and "blasting" your SPAM across thousands of forums, that isn't cheating, it's being a "successful entrepreneur"?

FYI that is illegal in the USA and UK and violates several SPAM laws (and sometimes anti-fraud laws), which is why you are routed through a cloaked link to a Russian host when you want to purchase it, and you have to us proxies just to utilize the software if you don't want your host to shut you down.

So far as I'm aware in the UK, this isn't illegal.. perhaps you're thinking of email spam? I'm not sure about the rules in the US being unfamiliar with the legal system stateside, but I imagine it's similar.

And no, perhaps I didn't make my point well. Of course using XRumer and submitting great quantities of links isn't being a "successful entrepreneur", what I'm saying is that to be one, you have to grab every (legal) advantage that you can over your competition. If that made the difference between (hypothetically) 10 visitors a day or 1000 a day, why on earth would you not take it?

Again, I would like to stress that I personally disagree with XRumer and forum profile backlinking in general- all I'm saying is that there are different ways to conduct a business. Just because it doesn't fit in with what you may consider ethical, it doesn't make it any less 'right'.

Black Hat
Hmm, I want some money. Let me think of a way to SCAM people.
Yes, this is a neat method for cheating, let me set it up.
OK, ready to go, let me make some money.
Awesome! I made some money. What a rush!
Oh damn, I got caught. They shut me down. Hope I don't get in legal trouble.
Thank goodness, no legal trouble, but now I am broke again.
I know, I'll try another method of cheating.
Let me set it up.
OK time to launch.
Finally, making a little money again. Hope this lasts!
Damn, got caught again. Shut down.
Being broke sucks.
Let me think of another way to cheat the system.
...And on and on.

White Hat
I would like some money, I think I'll start an Internet business.

Wow, I didn't know it would be this hard.
I am like the architect, construction company, advertising agency,
salesperson, inventory, management, and every other job
all in one person. Well, at least when the work is done I will
get all of their paychecks!

Hmm... That took longer than I wanted to.
I invested more money than I planned.
And I made a lot of mistakes, that cost me time and money.
But, at least I made a dollar in profit.
It sucks doing all of that work for a dollar, but now I know it can be done.

Wow, I'm working so hard and this is so slow, maybe I should quit?
Or maybe I should cheat?
NO! I won't quit and I won't cheat.

Finally, a real, live paying customer. Not much profit but it was nice.
Oh look, there is another one.
Another customer, well at least my monthly expenses are being paid now.

Oh, you want to refer your friends to me? That was nice of you.
Ah, more customers. So glad I didn't quit or cheat!
Another customer...
Oh, you want to refer your friends to me? Thank you!
Oh you want to refer your friends to me? Thank you!
Oh you want to refer your friends to me? Thank you!
Here is a little bonus for your referral, I really appreciate it!
Oh you want to refer more customers to me?
I promise to treat them as good as I've always treated you!

Oops... I'm getting too many customers. I need help!
Here, let me hire someone to do the tedious work for me...
Oh look, another customer...

I think you're looking at in too much of a black and white (no pun intended!) manner. Building a white hat (ie, valuable) business and using every possible method to promote it is completely different from building a business based on scamming people.

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MikeTucker

12 years ago

Originally Posted by MidlandsMarketer

So far as I'm aware in the UK, this isn't illegal.. perhaps you're thinking of email spam? I'm not sure about the rules in the US being unfamiliar with the legal system stateside, but I imagine it's similar.

And no, perhaps I didn't make my point well. Of course using XRumer and submitting great quantities of links isn't being a "successful entrepreneur", what I'm saying is that to be one, you have to grab every (legal) advantage that you can over your competition. If that made the difference between (hypothetically) 10 visitors a day or 1000 a day, why on earth would you not take it?

Again, I would like to stress that I personally disagree with XRumer and forum profile backlinking in general- all I'm saying is that there are different ways to conduct a business. Just because it doesn't fit in with what you may consider ethical, it doesn't make it any less 'right'.

I think you're looking at in too much of a black and white (no pun intended!) manner. Building a white hat (ie, valuable) business and using every possible method to promote it is completely different from building a business based on scamming people.

Yeah OK.

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chukcha

12 years ago

Originally Posted by MidlandsMarketer

Look, I don't agree with using Xrumer, but calling it 'cheating' and suggesting that only a certain way of doing business is the 'right' way is unfair.

A mark of a succesful entrepreneur is that they take advantage of every opportunity presented to them. Using XRumer isn't illegal, it may not be considered 'ethical' by everyone's taste and its usefulness is debateable, but using it to promote a legitimate, quality site is not cheating.

Totally agree with you.

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LegitIncomes

12 years ago

Originally Posted by olimits7

Hi,

I'm looking to hire someone to do an XRumer blast on keywords relating to my website. However, for people with experience with XRumer:

- Will doing an XRumer project have a negative effect on my website on Google or other search engines?
- What type of results could I expect in traffic and keyword position?

Thank you!

My advice would be if you want to build a business that is legit, a business that will last, don't use it.

If you don't care about that, go for it.

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MidlandsMarketer

12 years ago

Originally Posted by LegitIncomes

My advice would be if you want to build a business that is legit, a business that will last, don't use it.

If you don't care about that, go for it.

Again, playing devil's advocate, I can't understand the viewpoint that part of a backlinking strategy somehow affects the legitimacy and longetivity of a business.

Relying on SE traffic in itself is a mistake- and if the only reason you build links is to game the SERPS then I agree, your business is subject to those links being discounted or worse, penalized, by the search engines and losing all of your traffic.

If however you have a quality plan for driving traffic from multiple sources, and simply want to boost your SE traffic, then why not?

Yes, in the 'not' column, profile backlinks probably mean zilch in terms of rankings, but operating for a minute under the assumption that they could help- how many marketers here would use them to get an leg-up over the competition?

Essentialy, (and, MikeTucker I apologise if you were in someway offended or brassed off by my taking this side for the sake of debate) it all boils down to 'judge not lest ye be judged'. If someone wants to build their business one way and it's not breaking any laws, live and let live. If it all goes to hell and collapses upon them, I guess you can feel vindicated.

At the end of the day though, in any industry, a long-lasting business comes from diversity.

Diverse revenue streams, diverse customer sources, diverse product range etc.

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MikeTucker

12 years ago

Originally Posted by MidlandsMarketer

Again, playing devil's advocate,

Always a sensible thing to do, along with check your references... Which I did, and as it turns out there have been some cases of people filing trespassing charges against XRumer users, but there are no specific laws against Spamming forums. (Yet)

Originally Posted by MidlandsMarketer

(and, MikeTucker I apologise if you were in someway offended or brassed off by my taking this side for the sake of debate) it all boils down to 'judge not lest ye be judged'. If someone wants to build their business one way and it's not breaking any laws, live and let live. If it all goes to hell and collapses upon them, I guess you can feel vindicated.

Not offended. Don't need vindication... Just annoyed with the fact that so many people waste so much time and effort, asking for help and still trying to game the system. If they would just take the time and put in the effort to build a real business, they wouldn't have this problem.

Originally Posted by MidlandsMarketer

At the end of the day though, in any industry, a long-lasting business comes from diversity.

Diverse revenue streams, diverse customer sources, diverse product range etc.

My turn to play Devil's Advocate. Off the top of my head, I could list quite a few businesses that are very focused on a single product and even a single customer, and they have been around for decades.-- I'm sure most other people could, too.

...

Anyway, the point is that rather than trying to make a few quick bucks with XRumer, go cut someone's grass or get another idea from the What to Do if You're Desperate thread.

When you're ready to make real money and build a business that will last you the rest of your life, ignore the tricks and the games and just do the work, and do it right the first time.

That's my opinion, based on my own personal experience and the experience and advice of people like Ed Whitacre Jr, Neil Austrian, Michael White, Steve Orr, Rory Reed, Brian Roberts, Hans Vestburg, James Ziemer, Greg Steinhafel, and e few other people who probably know what they are talking about.

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olimits7

12 years ago

Ok; I guess...thanks for the replies!

My business is not cheating anyone; it's providing users with a valuable service and it is a legit business. I want to use Xrumer, as another marketing method, to mainly promote and drive traffic to my website; I don't think your "black hat" example relates to what I'm trying to accomplish.

I agree with you that the way Xrumer works is most likely viewed as unethical, but that's not stopping the millions of people that are using it on a daily basis. And if using Xrumer brings traffic to my website and people end up signing up; then I have no problem using Xrumer along with any other marketing/advertising methods.

I agree with MidlandsMarketer, as an entrepreneur I will look at any type of marketing/advertising method including using Xrumer to drive traffic to my website. There are millions of websites out there that I'm competing against and I will use any method to get my website noticed.

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greatgemsgreatprices

12 years ago

it damaged my site a member here gives away 1000 free backlinks they are not worth it buying it is a disaster stay away from it. Will hurt your site out of the 1000 backlinks couple hundred showed up most where notification that my site was spamming and was registered as that

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footfoot

12 years ago

Geez, the pompous !@#wipe shows up and trashes the thread. Go away!

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MikeTucker

12 years ago

"Trashing" the thread? You are aware this
is a public forum, where people voice their
opinions and experiences?

Again, my fundamental problem with programs
like Xrumer and using their "blast" is that you
are cheating your way past catpcha and posting
things that people don't want in their forums.

It's as if you are going to random businesses
with a "No Soliciting" sign and posting up your
cheap, ugly flyers.

At best, you are trespassing. And do you know
the real problem is here, in my opinion? How
much people are being led to believe they should
spend so much of their time, effort, and money
on posting this trash.

There are much, much better ways to build a
business-- Methods that leverage every ounce
of your time, effort, and money for years and
years to come. Even the $100 or whatever it
is for someone else to do a blast like this for
you can be used in much, much better ways!

Don't take my word for it-- Guys like Jeff Bezos
and Allen Says have credited their success to
their ability to make connections with people,
to earn trust and do things right.

In fact, Mr. Bezos said that a single referral
from a trusted friend was worth about $1,000
profit... Knowing that, why would you waste
so much time on inferior methods? Why in
the world wouldn't you spend all of your time
going out and making as many quality friendships
as you possibly can?! You could work a lot
less, and it costs nothing to make a couple
of friends per day... But its certainly not going
to happen by cheating your way past Captcha
so that you can post your links against the
rules people have set up for their own businesses.
...links that are not even going to last very long,
in most cases, and are certainly not going to
become more profitable as time goes by, like
friendships do.

Listen, it has nothing to do with being "pompous".
It is just my opinion, based on my experiences.
When it becomes a rule that we can't do that
around here, or if I cross a line, I'm sure the
mods will let me know.

FYI, when I first participated in this thread, it
was in the main discussion forum... I didn't come
into the SEO forum just to disagree with you.

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aygabtu

12 years ago

What happens when the competition has over a million backlinks and I can guarantee they didn't all come from white hat? Probably the majority were from black hat techniques?

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MikeTucker

12 years ago

Originally Posted by aygabtu

What happens when the competition has over a million backlinks and I can guarantee they didn't all come from white hat? Probably the majority were from black hat techniques?

I'm still subscribed to this thread, so I'm
going to answer... But it will probably be
the last time because it's been moved
to the SEO forum now and nobody here
is going to like what I say:

Do something else.

To begin with, manipulating your search
engine ranking is against the rules...
You aren't supposed to be manufacturing
backlinks of any kind in order to get your
site listed higher in the search engine.

Secondly, why on Earth would you compete
to be listed first in what is essentially the
Yellow Pages of the Internet?

It's like naming your company something
stupid like "AAA 123 Plumber" to get listed
before the other plumbers. And the "traffic"
you are going to get from this might be
slightly targeted (or even well targeted)
but it is not high quality. If it were, you
wouldn't need tens of thousands of visitors
to make good money.

Now, so what if you cheat against your
"guaranteed" black hat competition, and
get yourself listed above him. Say you
have a million-and-one backlinks. Now
he is going to get more, then you have to
get more, then he does... Really? Why invest
so much time and effort (and probably money!)
on something that has to constantly be
updated, but never really improves your
results?

Nevermind what happens when the rules change,
and you have to adapt your entire site and
sometimes even your entire strategy. WTF?

So rather than trying to put up more cheap
yellow flyers in No Soliciting sites than your
competition, why don't you try actually connecting
with people, both customers and other business
owners. Build real, profitable friendships that
will continue to grow stronger as the years
go by, no matter what how the rules change
and no matter what your competition is trying
to do.

Sure, you still have to "maintain" your friendship,
invest time and effort by listening to their whiny
dribble sometimes, and giving them advice or
helping them in some way.

But, unlike "backlinks" a friendship grows stronger
and stronger (and more profitable) and can last
your entire life... Why try to rank a site in Google
this year when you can influence a real person
(you know, those humans who actually give you
their money) for the next 30 or 40 years?

All that time spent on anything less, from my
point of view, is a waste.

Hey, you don't like my answer, that's great.
Good luck with your backlinks and your Xrumer
blasts... Let me know how that is working for
you ten years from now, and how much money
the resources (money, effort, and especially time)
you invested today are still making you then...

--Mike Tucker

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HDHarper 11 years ago

I need to build a referral downline quickly. Would an xrumer blast work for quick traffic to a referral landing page?
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