Google is now Finished

by situ08
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I think the whole internet can agree that Matt Cutts has done more to destroy Google than he has to help it. Google is now officially the most non-relevant search engine on the market thanks to the "Optimize Penalty" they just rolled out today. Forums everywhere are now poking fun at the junk that is ranking in Google top 10; such as countless abandoned sites with blank or little content. This is what Google calls "Quality??"

To read more about which sites are preferred by Google see here Wake up Google!! There's no such thing as Over Optimized. - Main Backlinks/SEO Discussion - Traffic Planet
#finished #google
  • Profile picture of the author Noel Cunningham
    Man, I'm glad I was never any good at all that SEO stuff or rely too much on Google for traffic. It would drive me crazy trying to keep up to date with all the changes they roll out...

    I think IMers can no longer depend on search engine traffic to fuel their businesses - we need to Diversify our traffic sources and not be too dependent on Big G..
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  • Profile picture of the author lassy715
    The changes over the past couple of days are pretty crappy.

    Have to adapt and diversify your traffic...relying too heavily on google hurts...big time.

    *Edit: Noel Beat me to it
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  • Profile picture of the author Warrior X
    Hmmm, let me guess, your sites got hurt by the last update (just taking a wild stab in the dark)
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  • Profile picture of the author trafficmasters
    Can always try paid traffic, I think thats what google is pushing towards anyway
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  • Profile picture of the author situ08
    According to me, Google is hurting the rank of well optimized sites just to promote adwords.
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    • Profile picture of the author hilarious89
      Originally Posted by situ08 View Post

      According to me, Google is hurting the rank of well optimized sites just to promote adwords.
      What make you think that? Does google offering you to add your site to Adwords?

      Anyways I think google wants all site to look natural.
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    • Profile picture of the author xxxJamesxxx
      Originally Posted by situ08 View Post

      According to me, Google is hurting the rank of well optimized sites just to promote adwords.
      I've got no problem using Adwords but they banned me there!

      Personally I think you're crazy if you build a business around Google, whether it's Adwords, Search and/or Adsense. Gotta diversify guys - learned that the hard way years ago.

      James Scholes
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      • Profile picture of the author Charles Harper
        Originally Posted by xxxJamesxxx View Post

        I've got no problem using Adwords but they banned me there!

        Personally I think you're crazy if you build a business around Google, whether it's Adwords, Search and/or Adsense. Gotta diversify guys - learned that the hard way years ago.

        James Scholes
        Agreed.

        It is someplace in our heads, that Google was "objective" in providing people access to information...ours in particular. I think was is happening is pretty simple (even though I don't claim to know the nuts and bolts). They are setting things up for them to be more profitable. I think we are a side issue.

        If we can help them, they use us, when we cannot they discard us. But they have shareholders to satisfy, so in that sense, we don't rate. The longer time goes on, I think that the will begin to shed more of the appearance of objectivity. We are collateral damage...meaning they are not looking to take us out directly, but taking us out is not a bad thing if they get more of what they perceive they want.

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    • Profile picture of the author krishan1982
      Originally Posted by situ08 View Post

      According to me, Google is hurting the rank of well optimized sites just to promote adwords.
      yes Google drop all good site ranking so all client try adwords then Google earn money search results not good if you try to search any keyword just try
      more suggestion welcome sorry if i m wrong

      Thanks
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      • Profile picture of the author SeoKnightsInc
        Originally Posted by krishan1982 View Post

        yes Google drop all good site ranking so all client try adwords then Google earn money search results not good if you try to search any keyword just try
        more suggestion welcome sorry if i m wrong

        Thanks
        Thats one of the most funniest response i read for Google update.

        Why dont people think once before they write :rolleyes:
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  • Profile picture of the author Jerremy
    I'm sure Google will keep updating till these blank/left websites are not at page 1, but how long will it take..
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  • Profile picture of the author kochtgr
    Originally Posted by situ08 View Post

    I think the whole internet can agree that Matt Cutts has done more to destroy Google than he has to help it. Google is now officially the most non-relevant search engine on the market thanks to the "Optimize Penalty" they just rolled out today. Forums everywhere are now poking fun at the junk that is ranking in Google top 10; such as countless abandoned sites with blank or little content. This is what Google calls "Quality??"

    To read more about which sites are preferred by Google see here Wake up Google!! There's no such thing as Over Optimized. - Main Backlinks/SEO Discussion - Traffic Planet

    Well this is a lesson for everyone who relies just on google and seo for traffic, we should always remember that we should not just build links but connections with relevant sites...
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    • Profile picture of the author situ08
      Originally Posted by kochtgr View Post

      Well this is a lesson for everyone who relies just on google and seo for traffic, we should always remember that we should not just build links but connections with relevant sites...
      It can be lesson for those who were trying to rank there website in google. But what about those who use google for searching information and now they are finding blank websites on the top of search. Is it good ????
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  • Profile picture of the author Tim Franklin
    Yes, its sort of like watching a really bad car wreck, happen right in front of your eyes, you see it first then you hear the twisted bent metal, and your helpless to look away because its there and once you see a thing like that you cannot "un see it"

    I did a local search for a car part business, I received results for ebay, for buy it now, for a California based company, but nothing local at all,

    It really made me wonder just who is really running things up there,
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  • Profile picture of the author Joseph Robinson
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    You want the SEO Subforum. And a chill pill.

    Google's not finished.

    Originally Posted by situ08 View Post

    According to me, Google is hurting the rank of well optimized sites just to promote adwords.
    That's nice. Who are you again?
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    • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
      Originally Posted by Joe Robinson View Post

      You want the SEO Subforum. And a chill pill.

      Google's not finished.



      That's nice. Who are you again?
      I'm still waiting for the first "Is Google dead thread", I'd have lost good money betting on that.

      Now, seeing as I'm posting in a thread that should be in SEO section, where do I go for my spanking?
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  • Profile picture of the author Chris Worner
    Originally Posted by situ08 View Post

    I think the whole internet can agree that......[/url]
    You are a silly billy posting in the wrong forum.

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    • Profile picture of the author situ08
      Originally Posted by Chris Worner View Post

      You are a silly billy posting in the wrong forum.

      -Chris
      sorry for that. I should be posted in seo/ppc forum. How can It be transferred now
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  • Profile picture of the author hashbury
    Google is not finished by a very very long shot. As far as these updates they are rolling out they really seem odd.

    I have tons of thin affiliate sites and a few major authority sites. My authority sites have seen a hit from these updates while my thin sites are doing better than ever.

    I learned a long time ago to diversify my traffic so these updates have not been a major factor for my sites, but these round of updates truly seem odd to me.
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  • Profile picture of the author Derek Blandford
    This update is nowhere near finished. Honestly Google is smart enough to know they can't have blank pages at the top of their search engine if they want people to continue using Google for searching the Internet...

    Things are always wild and crazy like this for the first days/weeks following an update. Google isn't going anywhere...
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    • Profile picture of the author Joseph Robinson
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      Originally Posted by Derek Blandford View Post

      This update is nowhere near finished. Honestly Google is smart enough to know they can't have blank pages at the top of their search engine if they want people to continue using Google for searching the Internet...

      Things are always wild and crazy like this for the first days/weeks following an update. Google isn't going anywhere...
      This. The whole "Google is finished" reaction is nothing more than people who's sites got slapped hoping that something will prove they were in the right. It's not gonna happen people, sorry to say it. That's what you get for building your business on such a shaky foundation.

      Oh, and Richard: post #29. You know the thread :p.

      Originally Posted by situ08 View Post

      sorry for that. I should be posted in seo/ppc forum. How can It be transferred now
      Report your post (little red triangle by the OP), ask them to move it. They may move it, they may delete it.
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  • Profile picture of the author Andy Hart
    This isn't a one shot deal, you need to wait for the rankings to settle, things are always up in the air when a new change hits.

    I agree, there are alot of really strange crappy page one listings but I very much doubt they will stick.

    On a side note, do you really think this is down to Matt Cutts?? If you do then its your brain you need to worry about and not Page 1 of Google.

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  • Profile picture of the author Mister Rex
    According to my facebook and twitter and news outlets, no one but internet marketers are even aware of changes in their google search results. So, google is just fine. Internet marketers have made the mistake of thinking that google existed for them. It never did! It exists for the end user.

    Google is fine. Internet marketers are the ones that are going down.
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    • Profile picture of the author looking4adsense
      Sure, but eventually, people will notice. I'm an IMer,but I'm a search user too, when I search for something like "linux and open source blog", and a closed empty free blog rank at #1, I know there's something wrong.

      Originally Posted by Mister Rex View Post

      According to my facebook and twitter and news outlets, no one but internet marketers are even aware of changes in their google search results. So, google is just fine. Internet marketers have made the mistake of thinking that google existed for them. It never did! It exists for the end user.

      Google is fine. Internet marketers are the ones that are going down.
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      • Profile picture of the author situ08
        Originally Posted by looking4adsense View Post

        Sure, but eventually, people will notice. I'm an IMer,but I'm a search user too, when I search for something like "linux and open source blog", and a closed empty free blog rank at #1, there's something wrong.
        That's the problem now. This update is not only hurting internet marketers but also end users who use Google to find quality information.
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    Never rely to one source for Traffic for your website. Google that is.
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  • Profile picture of the author tpw
    Google seems to be giving me good results...

    I just googled this penalty and found this:
    Is Google's "Over Optimization Penalty" Its "Jump The Shark" Moment In Web Search?

    Who in their right mind is going to call that poor-quality content?
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  • Profile picture of the author mojojuju
    Originally Posted by situ08 View Post

    I think the whole internet can agree that Matt Cutts has done more to destroy Google than he has to help it.
    No. The whole internet cannot agree with that. It's my belief that you're just butt-hurt because you can't rank.
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  • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
    I have yet to see a single non-internet marketer complain about Google's new update. Until real users that Google cares about start leaving, they will continue to dominate search.
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    • Profile picture of the author Zibblu
      Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

      I have yet to see a single non-internet marketer complain about Google's new update. Until real users that Google cares about start leaving, they will continue to dominate search.
      Possibly. But if the meme can be started that Google search results aren't accurate and some other site is better for search (DuckDuckGo.com is my new homepage) then... well who knows what? Things can change in the world of the internet quite quickly.

      People tend to get too confident that things are always going to be the way that they are... the only constant is change and Google is changing for the worse.
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      • Profile picture of the author HCRoyo
        Just got it from another forum... is there some truth to this?

        "According to NY times, Google will be reviewed by the FTC

        nytimes.com/2012/04/27/technology/google-antitrust-inquiry-advances.html?_r=3&pagewanted=1&hp

        For those who suffered dearly on this update - business wrecked, site missing from listing, loss in revenue, you should know that you can report this to the FTC.

        Here goes

        ftccomplaintassistant.gov

        The complaints will carry weight if it's done in bulk.

        LET'S REPORT THIS TO THE FTC!

        PASS THIS MESSAGE AROUND!!

        QUOTE FROM FTC WEBSITE:

        The Federal Trade Commission, the nation's consumer protection agency, collects complaints about companies, business practices, identity theft, and episodes of violence in the media.

        Why: Your complaints can help us detect patterns of wrong-doing, and lead to investigations and prosecutions. The FTC enters all complaints it receives into Consumer Sentinel, a secure online database that is used by thousands of civil and criminal law enforcement authorities worldwide. The FTC does not resolve individual consumer complaints.

        Please note the last line: "The FTC does not resolve individual consumer complaints." - like I have mentioned before, the complaints will carry weight if it's done in bulk.

        SO PASS THE MESSAGE AROUND!!"

        What do you think?
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  • Profile picture of the author inzaji
    Yes, there will be one day when Google will no longer be "search engine" it will be more of Wikipedia - & Google will only rank 1 website on 1 keyword @ like company websites .. lol
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  • Profile picture of the author situ08
    Some people are facing this problem from last 1 month. So it's a long time. Some people saying that Yahoo shows better results than google.
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  • Profile picture of the author LimitLessJZ
    Google doesn't care about webmasters. What they care about is providing user experience. Seeing that ordinary Google users aren't moaning about the search results is a win for them. The only people complaining are the webmasters and they could care less.
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    • Profile picture of the author Oranges
      Originally Posted by LimitLessJZ View Post

      Google doesn't care about webmasters. What they care about is providing user experience. Seeing that ordinary Google users aren't moaning about the search results is a win for them. The only people complaining are the webmasters and they could care less.
      Yeah, because they don't know what SEO is and how sites rank in search engines. And when general searchers will start seeing gibberish result they will move on to other alternatives....Transition takes time, but it eventually happens slowly with time. That's what happened to Yahoo and people moved to Google.
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  • Profile picture of the author situ08
    Not only webmasters, end users are also complaining.
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    • Profile picture of the author yukon
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      Originally Posted by situ08 View Post

      Not only webmasters, end users are also complaining.
      Name one person that's not an IMer/webmaster that complains about Google SERP algo. updates, lol.
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      • Profile picture of the author situ08
        Originally Posted by yukon View Post

        Name one person that's not an IMer/webmaster that complains about Google SERP algo. updates, lol.
        here is the your answer http://forums.digitalpoint.com/member.php?u=570231
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      • Profile picture of the author dmtaylor247
        Originally Posted by yukon View Post

        Name one person that's not an IMer/webmaster that complains about Google SERP algo. updates, lol.
        Although I have to agree with you here Yukon, there is always the issue of Google's public image and reputation.

        I think the public in general percieve Google as more of a cold faced corporation than they did just 5 years ago.

        That's not suprising because they are a cold faced corporation that's come under alot of scrutiny lately over it's dodgy business practices and the huge amount of influence they have.

        It will be really interesting to see where Google as a company go from here, they are at their strongest ever, buying out business' and start ups left right and centre.

        Just to add; Google who are one of the most aggressive business' in the world is punishing business' that market themselves aggressively, sorry, I just feel that's a little hypocritical.

        One things for sure, due to this recent bashing they have had by the Austrailian courts they are facing a problem, selling off ads to rival business' now makes them liable to prosecution. The public are more aware of these business practices and the viewpoint of these large advertising companies is slowly changing.

        You can see them trying to change their image with the Google+ ads, kids, cat, dog like one big happy family, but business' complaining about Google are going to cause them unrepairable damage.

        I can see the EU adopting a similar approach in the coming years, if and when they do, Google will be facing a huge problem which could cost them big time.
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        • Profile picture of the author Oranges
          Originally Posted by dmtaylor247 View Post

          Although I have to agree with you here Yukon, there is always the issue of Google's public image and reputation.

          I think the public in general percieve Google as more of a cold faced corporation than they did just 5 years ago.

          That's not suprising because they are a cold faced corporation that's come under alot of scrutiny lately over it's dodgy business practices and the huge amount of influence they have.

          It will be really interesting to see where Google as a company go from here, they are at their strongest ever, buying out business' and start ups left right and centre.

          Just to add; Google who are one of the most aggressive business' in the world is punishing business' that market themselves aggressively, sorry, I just feel that's a little hypocritical.

          One things for sure, due to this recent bashing they have had by the Austrailian courts they are facing a problem, selling off ads to rival business' now makes them liable to prosecution. The public are more aware of these business practices and the viewpoint of these large advertising companies is slowly changing.

          You can see them trying to change their image with the Google+ ads, kids, cat, dog like one big happy family, but business' complaining about Google are going to cause them unrepairable damage.

          I can see the EU adopting a similar approach in the coming years, if and when they do, Google will be facing a huge problem which could cost them big time.
          Couldn't agree with you more.

          In fact here in Asia, China have already banned it and In India our IT ministry is already having issues with Google regarding India's Map and some other serious privacy issues as well. These 2 countries India and china have the 40% of world's population and internet users, and Google is on the verge of complete mess here too.
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      • Profile picture of the author situ08
        Originally Posted by yukon View Post

        Name one person that's not an IMer/webmaster that complains about Google SERP algo. updates, lol.
        forex guide, This is good keywords. Now serach for this in google and you will find forexgk.com open this website. This will guide you about forex trading. And if you learn something from here then do not forgot to share here.
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        • Profile picture of the author yukon
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          Originally Posted by situ08 View Post

          forex guide, This is good keywords. Now serach for this in google and you will find forexgk.com open this website. This will guide you about forex trading. And if you learn something from here then do not forgot to share here.
          Say what?

          This is an old thread but why would I care about learning forex & then sharing that info. here on the SEO forum? What does forex have to do with SEO?
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          • Profile picture of the author situ08
            Originally Posted by yukon View Post

            Say what?

            This is an old thread but why would I care about learning forex & then sharing that info. here on the SEO forum? What does forex have to do with SEO?
            I mean how non relevent results google is showing. But Everything is fine now.
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  • Profile picture of the author mosthost
    Matt Cutts knows how to make a good YouTube video. His are a lot better than many I watch
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  • Profile picture of the author situ08
    We are still waiting for Google to be normal.
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    • Profile picture of the author Warrior X
      Originally Posted by situ08 View Post

      We are still waiting for Google to be normal.
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    • Profile picture of the author yukon
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      Originally Posted by situ08 View Post

      We are still waiting for Google to be normal.
      Define normal.

      Would normal be, we can game the SERPs without any work? :rolleyes:
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  • Profile picture of the author K1
    Google knows the people who pay to have their sites optimized are probably more likely to buy PPC, so by slapping us IMers and our clients we may rush to PPC driving up the PPC cost.
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  • Profile picture of the author Oranges
    God knows why they make those cute innocent animals sound so cruel. I mean Panda, Penguin...What the? ROFL!

    Next what? Kuala Bear? or may be "Nerdy Double Chin Engineer update" ?
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  • Profile picture of the author ComoSEO
    I don't think Google is finished. As many have said the general population is completely unaware of what happens in the SEO world. One of my sites was affected negatively and three of them ranked higher. All have excellent content so I think there are some issues right now in Google's quality control.
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  • Profile picture of the author sax.sunny
    Ultimately, you want to post contents that people want to read. If you do so, your content will automatically be viral and visible to a mass, as more and more people will share it to others.

    Well, that's what even Google wants, right? And hey, that's what everyone else should want. The whole point of gaming the system, and trying to get backlinks yourself sounds pointless to me.

    If you have guts and talent to post quality contents, I bet you wouldn't need to worry about all those updates that Google is rolling out.
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  • Profile picture of the author BigNorm
    Read alot of people saying Google is going to take a massive hit by everything thats happened with this new roll out. I think you guys are grasping at straws here, a good example of that is that nearly everyone here will still work to have their sites rank on Google. I'm not saying that's your only source of traffic but it is your most popular FREE traffic source. While social signals are great for driving viral traffic, unless you can come up with something that will drive traffic everyday passively to a page you haven't touched for months, then you really have no reason to bash on Google when your just as guilty as everyone else running back to them to trying to get your rankings back up. If you hate Google that much, deindex your site from their search engine and stop their spiders from crawling your site.

    As for the skewed results from their latest update, I agree, poorly developed algo change, but I've also noticed that alot of sites people were using for examples are dropping off their page one rankings and the search results are starting to change. Google won't get it right everytime, but at the end of the day their making us better IM'ers by making us adapt and do what we're suppose to do, provide better user experience, and our reward for that is passive income.

    One day Google maybe replaced by something else, but I can tell you right now it's not going to come from companies like Yahoo and Bing. Their no better than Google when it comes to end profits, and so they should be, their corp companies with share holders to keep happy.

    Googles finishing blow will come from a bunch of guys sitting in their garage doing the exact same thing that Sergey Brin and Larry Page did. Youtube, Google, Facebook and Pintrest, none of these were created by some big billion dollar company. I'm willing to bet right now there is another search engine out there which rivals or even surpasses what Google does, but we haven't heard about it as the guys who have created don't have the marketing genius to push to the general public.

    Not to sound condescending, but for all those who are sitting here and complaining about the recent algo change and the negative effect it has had on your sites, why not spend the time trying to find out how to re rank them.
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  • Profile picture of the author sailor4528
    Some great stuff here!

    I lost rankings on some main keywords, but articles I have elsewhere are now on page 1 (and they are not EZA articles). Not ideal, but indicative of other things.
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  • Profile picture of the author hocuspocus32
    The head of the webspam team (aka Matt Cutts) tweeted: "If you know a site affected by algo update that you don't think should be affected, we made a form to provide feedback. goo.gl/nt3Pz"
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    • Profile picture of the author situ08
      Originally Posted by hocuspocus32 View Post

      The head of the webspam team (aka Matt Cutts) tweeted: "If you know a site affected by algo update that you don't think should be affected, we made a form to provide feedback. goo.gl/nt3Pz"
      It means that update has been finished.
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      • Profile picture of the author mosthost
        Originally Posted by situ08 View Post

        It means that update has been finished.
        Yes it has. Time to assess the damage and make plans.
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      • Profile picture of the author hocuspocus32
        Originally Posted by situ08 View Post

        It means that update has been finished.
        Yeah might be but I think they know that there is an error in the update, so it might be a way of checking as to the change was right or wrong. If they are 100% confident then why they should provide a feedback form like that?
        Doing online business is now a nightmare some A*****LE like matt cutts or anyone will come and change some stuff and down goes all the hard work that has been done by millions . Now some will tell the sites hit have used automatic software, but that isnt true, I have sites which have lost rankings which has never used any automated tools or networks. G sucks big time thats all i can say
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  • Profile picture of the author situ08
    I am still going to wait atleast 10 days before doing any seo activity. Hope everything will be fine.
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    • Profile picture of the author jimnastics
      Originally Posted by situ08 View Post

      I am still going to wait atleast 10 days before doing any seo activity. Hope everything will be fine.
      I think I'm going to do the same thing... forget about IM at least for the whole of next week, put some effort into my "real" work for once, then come back to IM after that. See how the dust settled. I can't just sit here checking SERPS all damn day!
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      • Profile picture of the author derprinz
        Originally Posted by jimnastics View Post

        I think I'm going to do the same thing... forget about IM at least for the whole of next week, put some effort into my "real" work for once, then come back to IM after that. See how the dust settled. I can't just sit here checking SERPS all damn day!
        that's easy to say, but hard to do
        i just lost everything man !
        i have passed all the time since my sites are down cheking SERPs
        income : 0 $
        and guess what, the sites that is earning money from my keywords are just crappy sites, mine is much better.

        I hate you Matt Cutts !
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  • Profile picture of the author Fernando Veloso
    Google is NOT finished, but the support they had from webmasters for years, is definitely dead.

    First was the Adsense treason - Put more ads on your site!!! Then they banned people for having too many ads, and they penalized sites for it.

    Then the Analytics treason - Use G Analytics, it's great!! Then they banned/penalized sites using GA cause Google could see what was going on... and accordingly to them some sites we're spammy.

    Then this "over optimized" treason - First they teach people what to do: optimize your titles, H1 and H2, create internal links, promoto your site with your friends, ask them to link to you, etc etc etc etc. NOW they penalize these sites cause they are "over optimized...".

    Treason, after treason, after treason.

    Major issue with Google is not their business - it's their BAD relationship with the ones providing their basis: webmasters and worldwide IM'ers.

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    • Profile picture of the author mightiest
      Originally Posted by Fernando Veloso View Post

      Google is NOT finished, but the support they had from webmasters for years, is definitely dead.

      First was the Adsense treason - Put more ads on your site!!! Then they banned people for having too many ads, and they penalized sites for it.

      Then the Analytics treason - Use G Analytics, it's great!! Then they banned/penalized sites using GA cause Google could see what was going on... and accordingly to them some sites we're spammy.

      Then this "over optimized" treason - First they teach people what to do: optimize your titles, H1 and H2, create internal links, promoto your site with your friends, ask them to link to you, etc etc etc etc. NOW they penalize these sites cause they are "over optimized...".

      Treason, after treason, after treason.

      Major issue with Google is not their business - it's their BAD relationship with the ones providing their basis: webmasters and worldwide IM'ers.

      Fernando
      Treason? Google doesn't owe you anything. The entitled BS that permeates this site is amazing and the way facts get distorted to support the "woe is me" mentality is insane.

      Major issue with Google is not their business - it's their BAD relationship with the ones providing their basis: webmasters and worldwide IM'ers.
      YOU are not the basis of Google, sorry. Google is essentially a gigantic middleman, brokering deals between people who want information (or a product) and people who can supply that information or product. As an IMer, you're trying to wedge yourself into this equation by becoming a middleman between Google and their advertisers. You aren't necessary. If anything, most IMers are nothing but parasites on Google's model, which is why they spend so much time trying to stomp you out.

      Originally Posted by K1 View Post

      Google knows the people who pay to have their sites optimized are probably more likely to buy PPC, so by slapping us IMers and our clients we may rush to PPC driving up the PPC cost.
      Google does not give a single f*ck about internet marketers. Period. They don't want you to run crappy clickbank products on adwords any more than they want you to rank your crappy MFA sites #1 for search terms.
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    • Profile picture of the author yukon
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      Originally Posted by Fernando Veloso View Post

      Google is NOT finished, but the support they had from webmasters for years, is definitely dead.

      First was the Adsense treason - Put more ads on your site!!! Then they banned people for having too many ads, and they penalized sites for it.

      Then the Analytics treason - Use G Analytics, it's great!! Then they banned/penalized sites using GA cause Google could see what was going on... and accordingly to them some sites we're spammy.

      Then this "over optimized" treason - First they teach people what to do: optimize your titles, H1 and H2, create internal links, promoto your site with your friends, ask them to link to you, etc etc etc etc. NOW they penalize these sites cause they are "over optimized...".

      Treason, after treason, after treason.

      Major issue with Google is not their business - it's their BAD relationship with the ones providing their basis: webmasters and worldwide IM'ers.

      Fernando

      I know Google did you wrong, but C'mon, that stuff is silly (treason?).

      We all knew the emails suggesting to add more Adsense Ads was automated. As a webmaster it's your choice how many Ads you display, the max. number of allowed Adsense Ads on a page looks like $hit. I'm not sure why someone would even attempt to max. out Adsense Ads, you'll only have 1 or 2 Ads per page that brings in the money.

      The GA comment is not true, I've been running GA for years, still do today, you'll never get better data from Adsense than hooking GA up to the Adsense account. Doesn't matter If you believe me, but it's true.

      The SEO is self explanatory, it's SEO, the SERPs are not static, algos. change.
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  • Profile picture of the author upendraets
    I dropped my whole businees with this change of Google.
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  • Profile picture of the author mgreener
    Originally Posted by situ08 View Post

    I think the whole internet can agree...
    It would be amazing if even a small group of like minded people could agree on something let alone the entirety of Al Gore's realm.
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  • Profile picture of the author SeoKnightsInc
    Man Google does not make changes to suite your site or your style. All it cares is its user base and there he is providing some really coll stuff. May be a few results are non up to the mark but they will be sorted out soon. I had seen a lot of people complaing about Google for every wrong they did.

    I cant see what is called irrelevant results in the SERPS just 1 or 2 are exceptions and will be sorted out soon. Instead of showing your frustration here you can read once there guidelines to gain a bit. I was also a newbie and got hurt a few time like everyone but i never blamed Google like you did.
    Sorry to say but WHO ARE YOU ? WHY SHOULD GOOGLE CARE ABOUT YOU ?

    Instead of blaming Google read some guidelines of Google. My sites never got any kind of penalty from Google as i did what they suggest.
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  • Profile picture of the author BabyGotBackLinks
    the only people I see complaining about it are the people who were making money off of tons of link spamming to their websites and instead of blaming themselves they blame "the man".
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    • Profile picture of the author situ08
      Originally Posted by BabyGotBackLinks View Post

      the only people I see complaining about it are the people who were making money off of tons of link spamming to their websites and instead of blaming themselves they blame "the man".
      you are wrong. People already posting proof here. Goggle is not showing accurate search results now.
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  • Profile picture of the author ketset
    There is something strange going on, a few of my sites have now hit page one and come high ranking sites have just completely vanished! Every time I hit refresh I get a different ranking?
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  • Profile picture of the author onlyone1
    No wonder why people say "Never keep all the eggs in one basket"

    You should always try different traffic sources to bring diversity, Google is way to expensive. One of my friend spent $1000 in Google adwords for affiliate marketing and only earned $150. Just not worth the money!
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    • Profile picture of the author situ08
      Originally Posted by onlyone1 View Post

      No wonder why people say "Never keep all the eggs in one basket"

      You should always try different traffic sources to bring diversity, Google is way to expensive. One of my friend spent $1000 in Google adwords for affiliate marketing and only earned $150. Just not worth the money!
      We can not under estimate the power of adwords. It is really worth if used well.
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      • Profile picture of the author onlyone1
        Originally Posted by situ08 View Post

        We can not under estimate the power of adwords. It is really worth if used well.
        Indeed, and i do not disagree with your point. But there are cheap alternatives too. The conversion ratio is not that high!
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    • Profile picture of the author yukon
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      Originally Posted by onlyone1 View Post

      No wonder why people say "Never keep all the eggs in one basket"

      You should always try different traffic sources to bring diversity, Google is way to expensive. One of my friend spent $1000 in Google adwords for affiliate marketing and only earned $150. Just not worth the money!
      At $1,000 I could easily advertise for a full 90 days (3 months) on the largest forum for the niche I target, which is roughly the size of Warrior Forum.

      Most niche forums are very laid back on rules compared to Adwords.

      You just have to shop around & see where the targeted traffic hangs out (forums, etc...).
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  • Profile picture of the author HTITeam
    no Still google first Top Search Engine Updates is for Bring More Quality.
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    • Profile picture of the author onlyone1
      Originally Posted by HTITeam View Post

      no Still google first Top Search Engine Updates is for Bring More Quality.
      Facebook is still a better option in terms of quality and price!
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  • Profile picture of the author RobinJ
    First we promote Google, if you ask any one to search any thing, he will immediately open Google and start searching, reason for that is other search engine not work to promote their name. But thing is that Google make quick irrelevant changes in its algorithm, and this cause some good sites to lost their position and bad sites come up on ranking.
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  • Profile picture of the author online games
    hate google nobody has a chance with them all thear rules and regulations i will stick to bing and yahoo
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  • Profile picture of the author Fernando Veloso
    WTF?

    You guys dread brain or what? C'mon folks.

    If a company assures you THIS is what you should do to "please us" - and then KICKS you out for doing it, isn't that treason/backstabbing?

    You ****ing joking with me?

    WTF!

    Seriously.

    WTF?

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    Edit:
    Philip did an awesome job here explain what goes through people's mind right now.
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  • Profile picture of the author snakeyes37
    Well if we can't rely on Google anymore how are we suppose to get traffic to our websites?
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    • Profile picture of the author BigNorm
      Originally Posted by snakeyes37 View Post

      Well if we can't rely on Google anymore how are we suppose to get traffic to our websites?
      Social Media
      Web 2.0
      Article posting
      Guest posting
      Blog Commenting
      Bing
      Yahoo
      ......to name a few.
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  • Profile picture of the author situ08
    We have alternatives of adwords but not Google.
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  • Profile picture of the author edegreeusa
    Google recent algorithm updates has surely affected many sites including my site too but I can say it something it should have done before in order to ensure smooth running. I am sure you are saying this because your sites have been affected. But instead of that if you would have started refreshing your site, its content and spam backlinks to relevant backlinks then it would have been much better. Google has not done anything wrong because if doing relevant work is wrong then one must say what kind of work a person should do. All these changes Google has brought because of the complains of users only who search there and do not find relevant links or information, and your site too could be among the irrelevant so you went our of the SERP. You still have time to get back to your position just start off with you work but in a relevant way.

    I can't understand if a site/search engine (Google) is providing you listing then why it can't have its criteria for that and if the terms are related to relevancy then what is the problem?

    Google will not get finished, not for the next 10-15 years at least I assure this to you.
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  • Profile picture of the author Teriss
    I believe Google went "over board" on the Panda's now realizing they screwed up their search results. You recall that Google's standards used to be " a great User experience". Well, it ain't so hot anymore. I can't find a thing in Google search, and the top 3 results on Page One are spammy type sites! So, I started using Startpage their business is "way up". So guys and girls, the only way we can teach Google a lesson is to stop using them for searches! I have Startpage.com they don't track your IP, with all the govt snooping going on. Or I use Duck-DuckGo.com -although their search results are rather old. Also, Google reported their search volume is way down, perhaps due to their change in privacy issue, perhaps we are all so p-off at them, we'll stop using Google!! Without people searching, those Adword buyers will have no traffic for their products, they'll get p-off too.
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  • Profile picture of the author Teriss
    Oh and by the way Monopoly's always fail, Google has reached their limit and yes they are being investigated by the FCC. These are unfair business practices, for manipulating traffic and the market which they control, to favor their Adwords buyers. It's called Fraud.
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    • Profile picture of the author situ08
      Originally Posted by Teriss View Post

      Oh and by the way Monopoly's always fail, Google has reached their limit and yes they are being investigated by the FCC. These are unfair business practices, for manipulating traffic and the market which they control, to favor their Adwords buyers. It's called Fraud.
      I am waiting for FCC investigation
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  • Profile picture of the author Andrew Simond
    It is a false post. It never happens.
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  • Profile picture of the author situ08
    Now a days we can not compare Google with other search engines. Google is king of internet. We never want it to go off. Changes are essential part of every organization but that change must be positive for good people.
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    • Profile picture of the author derprinz
      Originally Posted by Bongoshaq1 View Post

      People need to focus on traffic without GOOGLE. Many successful marketers have built models on that. They intake 20-25 percent of traffic from Google as seen from Alexa rankings and pages. They do not depend on Google.

      About 75 percent of traffic comes from email lists, Social Media, You tube, and other search engines. These are diversified sources. The more you depend on Google the more you will be penalized no matter what you do. This is not a reliable form of engine that will reward you for your efforts. Google is a penal system and the enormous power it wields on smaller sites. It is a pathetic situation out there. if you depend on Google you will be lashed again and again.
      You mean forget about adsense ?
      because google won't pay you the same as coming from search engine.
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  • Profile picture of the author situ08
    Now after the penguin update, about 1 week has gone. I am not finding any change in serp results. As changes are stable, so I think its final from Google.
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  • Profile picture of the author John Romaine
    Googles not finished until regular users of the internet that know nothing about SEO, or Internet Marketing stop saying "Google it"

    I cant see that happening any time soon.
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  • Profile picture of the author onlinemegastore
    i think google want to earn more monry through PPC.That's why Matt cut do this.I think other search engine should do something better because mostly webmaster started to hate google.
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    • Profile picture of the author troybh
      Nobody cares about a bunch of whiny imers who lost their rankings. I lost 75 percent of my traffic too. The general public and 99.99999 percent of the people will still use google and love it. The results suck I know. Another thing I know is it is plain and simple why my site and others got hit. What seemed to make sense in developing a website is just not what google wants. Every example I see of a website that got hammered it is crystal clear why that site got hammered. I spent all weekend updating and fixing my site instead of crying and whining. I think the rest of you should do the same.
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  • Profile picture of the author situ08
    Now start saying "yahoo it" or "Bing it"
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  • Profile picture of the author ceilbleu
    funny joke.. lol
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  • Profile picture of the author AJ Warrior
    Google has made changes big deal there to much money to be made on the internet to abounded Google, we have to adapted that's what IM's do. Google will settle down and even things out, those Garbage sites will be gone and who ever is doing proper SEO will rank again make an authority site with not one source of spammy backlinks and you should rank so next time Google makes an update your site wont get hit that bad.
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  • Profile picture of the author ikuret75
    I lost my traffic too, and I see some crappy results myself BUT I still use Google myself, so I don't think Google is dead at all(yet). However, it can be the beginning of the end of Google. The fact you can now do "negative SEO" will hurt Google.

    In the past, when there was no such thing (word) as SEO, the search results were crappy. Then when the results were based a lot on on-page SEO, the results were crappy too. Around that time I used many different search engines.

    The Google's success was largely (or at least partly) because they introduced off-page/linking factors. After people started to do SEO based on off-site factors, actually the search results got better.

    Now webmasters are starting to give up on SEO/Google. That means the search results can become much worse later. It might be just my opinion but people who do work on SEO and put money on SEO DO have good websites. They care their websites and they spend time and effort to optimize not only for the search but for the conversion etc. I can't just say websites with good conversion are good sites, but they are at least relevant to the search terms. We will lose these websites from SERPs.

    Google probably thinks it's for the better, but I don't personally agree.Yes I said I still use Google but it is more like out of habits and I do see crappy results as an user and I don't like it. Now things just changed so not so many non-webmasters notice it, but I think gradually (It could be in 1 year, could take 5 years) people start to notice and leave Google.
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    • Profile picture of the author rahmanpaidar
      Originally Posted by ikuret75 View Post

      The Google's success was largely (or at least partly) because they introduced off-page/linking factors. After people started to do SEO based on off-site factors, actually the search results got better.
      I don't think that Google success is largely based on off-page factors.
      Yahoo and Bing are also based on off-page factors to order the search
      results, but they are not even close to what quality google provides
      for search results.

      I believe Google sucess is based on on-site factors rather than on-page
      and or off-page factors. Look at bing and yahoo search results. They seem
      to be pages that include exact match keywords on their titles ordered
      purely by the pagerank or anchor text link relevancy i.e the
      offpage factors you are talking about.
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  • Profile picture of the author situ08
    sites hit by penguin update are still not back even after removing the low quality backlinks.
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  • Profile picture of the author carlosponte
    This is not a surprise or something new.

    Google algorithms sucks as it´s not able to identify a good, quality and relevant webs by itselfs, so all tricks about links, PR, and so on, are just the way to get all us crazy and depending on their algorithm changes.

    And of course, they win money with this. They have improved about more than 30% the Adwords revenue after penguin update, so more updates will be coming very soon "to improve quality results" bah!
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  • Profile picture of the author paulgl
    Originally Posted by situ08 View Post

    I think the whole internet can agree that Matt Cutts has done more to destroy Google than he has to help it. Google is now officially the most non-relevant search engine on the market thanks to the "Optimize Penalty" they just rolled out today.
    ROTFLMAO! Dug up an old thread that you spammed....

    I quoted your first post....how silly one looks months later when posting
    this drivel...

    Google wants to be the most non-relevant search engine on the market....
    for IMers who are always trying to outshmooze each other...

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