Google is now Finished

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I think the whole internet can agree that Matt Cutts has done more to destroy Google than he has to help it. Google is now officially the most non-relevant search engine on the market thanks to the "Optimize Penalty" they just rolled out today. Forums everywhere are now poking fun at the junk that is ranking in Google top 10; such as countless abandoned sites with blank or little content. This is what Google calls "Quality??"

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#search engine optimization #finished #google
  • Man, I'm glad I was never any good at all that SEO stuff or rely too much on Google for traffic. It would drive me crazy trying to keep up to date with all the changes they roll out...

    I think IMers can no longer depend on search engine traffic to fuel their businesses - we need to Diversify our traffic sources and not be too dependent on Big G..
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    • I have to agree totally!

      A few years ago I spent months to rank a website and it only ever managed to reach the number 4 spot and I think the traffic I was getting was close to about 10 a day if I was lucky.

      As soon as everyone knows that they can find relevant and targeted traffic by using other sources the better.
  • The changes over the past couple of days are pretty crappy.

    Have to adapt and diversify your traffic...relying too heavily on google hurts...big time.

    *Edit: Noel Beat me to it
  • Hmmm, let me guess, your sites got hurt by the last update (just taking a wild stab in the dark)
  • Can always try paid traffic, I think thats what google is pushing towards anyway
  • According to me, Google is hurting the rank of well optimized sites just to promote adwords.
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    • What make you think that? Does google offering you to add your site to Adwords?

      Anyways I think google wants all site to look natural.
    • I've got no problem using Adwords but they banned me there!

      Personally I think you're crazy if you build a business around Google, whether it's Adwords, Search and/or Adsense. Gotta diversify guys - learned that the hard way years ago.

      James Scholes
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    • yes Google drop all good site ranking so all client try adwords then Google earn money search results not good if you try to search any keyword just try
      more suggestion welcome sorry if i m wrong

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  • I'm sure Google will keep updating till these blank/left websites are not at page 1, but how long will it take..

  • Well this is a lesson for everyone who relies just on google and seo for traffic, we should always remember that we should not just build links but connections with relevant sites...
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    • It can be lesson for those who were trying to rank there website in google. But what about those who use google for searching information and now they are finding blank websites on the top of search. Is it good ????
  • Yes, its sort of like watching a really bad car wreck, happen right in front of your eyes, you see it first then you hear the twisted bent metal, and your helpless to look away because its there and once you see a thing like that you cannot "un see it"

    I did a local search for a car part business, I received results for ebay, for buy it now, for a California based company, but nothing local at all,

    It really made me wonder just who is really running things up there,
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    You want the SEO Subforum. And a chill pill.

    Google's not finished.

    That's nice. Who are you again?
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    • I'm still waiting for the first "Is Google dead thread", I'd have lost good money betting on that.

      Now, seeing as I'm posting in a thread that should be in SEO section, where do I go for my spanking?
  • You are a silly billy posting in the wrong forum.

    -Chris
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    • sorry for that. I should be posted in seo/ppc forum. How can It be transferred now
  • Google is not finished by a very very long shot. As far as these updates they are rolling out they really seem odd.

    I have tons of thin affiliate sites and a few major authority sites. My authority sites have seen a hit from these updates while my thin sites are doing better than ever.

    I learned a long time ago to diversify my traffic so these updates have not been a major factor for my sites, but these round of updates truly seem odd to me.
  • This update is nowhere near finished. Honestly Google is smart enough to know they can't have blank pages at the top of their search engine if they want people to continue using Google for searching the Internet...

    Things are always wild and crazy like this for the first days/weeks following an update. Google isn't going anywhere...
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      This. The whole "Google is finished" reaction is nothing more than people who's sites got slapped hoping that something will prove they were in the right. It's not gonna happen people, sorry to say it. That's what you get for building your business on such a shaky foundation.

      Oh, and Richard: post #29. You know the thread :p.

      Report your post (little red triangle by the OP), ask them to move it. They may move it, they may delete it.
  • This isn't a one shot deal, you need to wait for the rankings to settle, things are always up in the air when a new change hits.

    I agree, there are alot of really strange crappy page one listings but I very much doubt they will stick.

    On a side note, do you really think this is down to Matt Cutts?? If you do then its your brain you need to worry about and not Page 1 of Google.

    Andy
  • According to my facebook and twitter and news outlets, no one but internet marketers are even aware of changes in their google search results. So, google is just fine. Internet marketers have made the mistake of thinking that google existed for them. It never did! It exists for the end user.

    Google is fine. Internet marketers are the ones that are going down.
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    • Sure, but eventually, people will notice. I'm an IMer,but I'm a search user too, when I search for something like "linux and open source blog", and a closed empty free blog rank at #1, I know there's something wrong.

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  • Never rely to one source for Traffic for your website. Google that is.
  • Google seems to be giving me good results...

    I just googled this penalty and found this:
    Is Google's "Over Optimization Penalty" Its "Jump The Shark" Moment In Web Search?

    Who in their right mind is going to call that poor-quality content?
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    • why you are stitched to just one search term. Thousands of people have found non relevant website in top searches in google.
  • No. The whole internet cannot agree with that. It's my belief that you're just butt-hurt because you can't rank.
  • I have yet to see a single non-internet marketer complain about Google's new update. Until real users that Google cares about start leaving, they will continue to dominate search.
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    • Possibly. But if the meme can be started that Google search results aren't accurate and some other site is better for search (DuckDuckGo.com is my new homepage) then... well who knows what? Things can change in the world of the internet quite quickly.

      People tend to get too confident that things are always going to be the way that they are... the only constant is change and Google is changing for the worse.
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  • Yes, there will be one day when Google will no longer be "search engine" it will be more of Wikipedia - & Google will only rank 1 website on 1 keyword @ like company websites .. lol
  • Some people are facing this problem from last 1 month. So it's a long time. Some people saying that Yahoo shows better results than google.
  • Google doesn't care about webmasters. What they care about is providing user experience. Seeing that ordinary Google users aren't moaning about the search results is a win for them. The only people complaining are the webmasters and they could care less.
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    • Yeah, because they don't know what SEO is and how sites rank in search engines. And when general searchers will start seeing gibberish result they will move on to other alternatives....Transition takes time, but it eventually happens slowly with time. That's what happened to Yahoo and people moved to Google.
  • Not only webmasters, end users are also complaining.
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      Name one person that's not an IMer/webmaster that complains about Google SERP algo. updates, lol.
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  • Matt Cutts knows how to make a good YouTube video. His are a lot better than many I watch
  • We are still waiting for Google to be normal.
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  • Google knows the people who pay to have their sites optimized are probably more likely to buy PPC, so by slapping us IMers and our clients we may rush to PPC driving up the PPC cost.
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  • God knows why they make those cute innocent animals sound so cruel. I mean Panda, Penguin...What the? ROFL!

    Next what? Kuala Bear? or may be "Nerdy Double Chin Engineer update" ?
  • I don't think Google is finished. As many have said the general population is completely unaware of what happens in the SEO world. One of my sites was affected negatively and three of them ranked higher. All have excellent content so I think there are some issues right now in Google's quality control.
  • Ultimately, you want to post contents that people want to read. If you do so, your content will automatically be viral and visible to a mass, as more and more people will share it to others.

    Well, that's what even Google wants, right? And hey, that's what everyone else should want. The whole point of gaming the system, and trying to get backlinks yourself sounds pointless to me.

    If you have guts and talent to post quality contents, I bet you wouldn't need to worry about all those updates that Google is rolling out.
  • Read alot of people saying Google is going to take a massive hit by everything thats happened with this new roll out. I think you guys are grasping at straws here, a good example of that is that nearly everyone here will still work to have their sites rank on Google. I'm not saying that's your only source of traffic but it is your most popular FREE traffic source. While social signals are great for driving viral traffic, unless you can come up with something that will drive traffic everyday passively to a page you haven't touched for months, then you really have no reason to bash on Google when your just as guilty as everyone else running back to them to trying to get your rankings back up. If you hate Google that much, deindex your site from their search engine and stop their spiders from crawling your site.

    As for the skewed results from their latest update, I agree, poorly developed algo change, but I've also noticed that alot of sites people were using for examples are dropping off their page one rankings and the search results are starting to change. Google won't get it right everytime, but at the end of the day their making us better IM'ers by making us adapt and do what we're suppose to do, provide better user experience, and our reward for that is passive income.

    One day Google maybe replaced by something else, but I can tell you right now it's not going to come from companies like Yahoo and Bing. Their no better than Google when it comes to end profits, and so they should be, their corp companies with share holders to keep happy.

    Googles finishing blow will come from a bunch of guys sitting in their garage doing the exact same thing that Sergey Brin and Larry Page did. Youtube, Google, Facebook and Pintrest, none of these were created by some big billion dollar company. I'm willing to bet right now there is another search engine out there which rivals or even surpasses what Google does, but we haven't heard about it as the guys who have created don't have the marketing genius to push to the general public.

    Not to sound condescending, but for all those who are sitting here and complaining about the recent algo change and the negative effect it has had on your sites, why not spend the time trying to find out how to re rank them.
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  • Some great stuff here!

    I lost rankings on some main keywords, but articles I have elsewhere are now on page 1 (and they are not EZA articles). Not ideal, but indicative of other things.
  • The head of the webspam team (aka Matt Cutts) tweeted: "If you know a site affected by algo update that you don't think should be affected, we made a form to provide feedback. goo.gl/nt3Pz"
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    • It means that update has been finished.
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  • I am still going to wait atleast 10 days before doing any seo activity. Hope everything will be fine.
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    • I think I'm going to do the same thing... forget about IM at least for the whole of next week, put some effort into my "real" work for once, then come back to IM after that. See how the dust settled. I can't just sit here checking SERPS all damn day!
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  • Google is NOT finished, but the support they had from webmasters for years, is definitely dead.

    First was the Adsense treason - Put more ads on your site!!! Then they banned people for having too many ads, and they penalized sites for it.

    Then the Analytics treason - Use G Analytics, it's great!! Then they banned/penalized sites using GA cause Google could see what was going on... and accordingly to them some sites we're spammy.

    Then this "over optimized" treason - First they teach people what to do: optimize your titles, H1 and H2, create internal links, promoto your site with your friends, ask them to link to you, etc etc etc etc. NOW they penalize these sites cause they are "over optimized...".

    Treason, after treason, after treason.

    Major issue with Google is not their business - it's their BAD relationship with the ones providing their basis: webmasters and worldwide IM'ers.

    Fernando
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    • Treason? Google doesn't owe you anything. The entitled BS that permeates this site is amazing and the way facts get distorted to support the "woe is me" mentality is insane.

      YOU are not the basis of Google, sorry. Google is essentially a gigantic middleman, brokering deals between people who want information (or a product) and people who can supply that information or product. As an IMer, you're trying to wedge yourself into this equation by becoming a middleman between Google and their advertisers. You aren't necessary. If anything, most IMers are nothing but parasites on Google's model, which is why they spend so much time trying to stomp you out.

      Google does not give a single f*ck about internet marketers. Period. They don't want you to run crappy clickbank products on adwords any more than they want you to rank your crappy MFA sites #1 for search terms.
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      I know Google did you wrong, but C'mon, that stuff is silly (treason?).

      We all knew the emails suggesting to add more Adsense Ads was automated. As a webmaster it's your choice how many Ads you display, the max. number of allowed Adsense Ads on a page looks like $hit. I'm not sure why someone would even attempt to max. out Adsense Ads, you'll only have 1 or 2 Ads per page that brings in the money.

      The GA comment is not true, I've been running GA for years, still do today, you'll never get better data from Adsense than hooking GA up to the Adsense account. Doesn't matter If you believe me, but it's true.

      The SEO is self explanatory, it's SEO, the SERPs are not static, algos. change.
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  • I dropped my whole businees with this change of Google.
  • It would be amazing if even a small group of like minded people could agree on something let alone the entirety of Al Gore's realm.
  • Man Google does not make changes to suite your site or your style. All it cares is its user base and there he is providing some really coll stuff. May be a few results are non up to the mark but they will be sorted out soon. I had seen a lot of people complaing about Google for every wrong they did.

    I cant see what is called irrelevant results in the SERPS just 1 or 2 are exceptions and will be sorted out soon. Instead of showing your frustration here you can read once there guidelines to gain a bit. I was also a newbie and got hurt a few time like everyone but i never blamed Google like you did.
    Sorry to say but WHO ARE YOU ? WHY SHOULD GOOGLE CARE ABOUT YOU ?

    Instead of blaming Google read some guidelines of Google. My sites never got any kind of penalty from Google as i did what they suggest.
  • the only people I see complaining about it are the people who were making money off of tons of link spamming to their websites and instead of blaming themselves they blame "the man".
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    • you are wrong. People already posting proof here. Goggle is not showing accurate search results now.
  • There is something strange going on, a few of my sites have now hit page one and come high ranking sites have just completely vanished! Every time I hit refresh I get a different ranking?
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  • No wonder why people say "Never keep all the eggs in one basket"

    You should always try different traffic sources to bring diversity, Google is way to expensive. One of my friend spent $1000 in Google adwords for affiliate marketing and only earned $150. Just not worth the money!
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    • We can not under estimate the power of adwords. It is really worth if used well.
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      At $1,000 I could easily advertise for a full 90 days (3 months) on the largest forum for the niche I target, which is roughly the size of Warrior Forum.

      Most niche forums are very laid back on rules compared to Adwords.

      You just have to shop around & see where the targeted traffic hangs out (forums, etc...).
  • no Still google first Top Search Engine Updates is for Bring More Quality.
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    • Facebook is still a better option in terms of quality and price!
  • First we promote Google, if you ask any one to search any thing, he will immediately open Google and start searching, reason for that is other search engine not work to promote their name. But thing is that Google make quick irrelevant changes in its algorithm, and this cause some good sites to lost their position and bad sites come up on ranking.
  • hate google nobody has a chance with them all thear rules and regulations i will stick to bing and yahoo
  • WTF?

    You guys dread brain or what? C'mon folks.

    If a company assures you THIS is what you should do to "please us" - and then KICKS you out for doing it, isn't that treason/backstabbing?

    You ****ing joking with me?

    WTF!

    Seriously.

    WTF?

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    Edit:
    Philip did an awesome job here explain what goes through people's mind right now.
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  • Well if we can't rely on Google anymore how are we suppose to get traffic to our websites?
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    • Social Media
      Web 2.0
      Article posting
      Guest posting
      Blog Commenting
      Bing
      Yahoo
      ......to name a few.
  • We have alternatives of adwords but not Google.
  • Google recent algorithm updates has surely affected many sites including my site too but I can say it something it should have done before in order to ensure smooth running. I am sure you are saying this because your sites have been affected. But instead of that if you would have started refreshing your site, its content and spam backlinks to relevant backlinks then it would have been much better. Google has not done anything wrong because if doing relevant work is wrong then one must say what kind of work a person should do. All these changes Google has brought because of the complains of users only who search there and do not find relevant links or information, and your site too could be among the irrelevant so you went our of the SERP. You still have time to get back to your position just start off with you work but in a relevant way.

    I can't understand if a site/search engine (Google) is providing you listing then why it can't have its criteria for that and if the terms are related to relevancy then what is the problem?

    Google will not get finished, not for the next 10-15 years at least I assure this to you.
  • I believe Google went "over board" on the Panda's now realizing they screwed up their search results. You recall that Google's standards used to be " a great User experience". Well, it ain't so hot anymore. I can't find a thing in Google search, and the top 3 results on Page One are spammy type sites! So, I started using Startpage their business is "way up". So guys and girls, the only way we can teach Google a lesson is to stop using them for searches! I have Startpage.com they don't track your IP, with all the govt snooping going on. Or I use Duck-DuckGo.com -although their search results are rather old. Also, Google reported their search volume is way down, perhaps due to their change in privacy issue, perhaps we are all so p-off at them, we'll stop using Google!! Without people searching, those Adword buyers will have no traffic for their products, they'll get p-off too.
  • Oh and by the way Monopoly's always fail, Google has reached their limit and yes they are being investigated by the FCC. These are unfair business practices, for manipulating traffic and the market which they control, to favor their Adwords buyers. It's called Fraud.
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    • I am waiting for FCC investigation
  • It is a false post. It never happens.
  • Now a days we can not compare Google with other search engines. Google is king of internet. We never want it to go off. Changes are essential part of every organization but that change must be positive for good people.
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    • You mean forget about adsense ?
      because google won't pay you the same as coming from search engine.
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  • Now after the penguin update, about 1 week has gone. I am not finding any change in serp results. As changes are stable, so I think its final from Google.
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  • Googles not finished until regular users of the internet that know nothing about SEO, or Internet Marketing stop saying "Google it"

    I cant see that happening any time soon.
  • i think google want to earn more monry through PPC.That's why Matt cut do this.I think other search engine should do something better because mostly webmaster started to hate google.
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    • Nobody cares about a bunch of whiny imers who lost their rankings. I lost 75 percent of my traffic too. The general public and 99.99999 percent of the people will still use google and love it. The results suck I know. Another thing I know is it is plain and simple why my site and others got hit. What seemed to make sense in developing a website is just not what google wants. Every example I see of a website that got hammered it is crystal clear why that site got hammered. I spent all weekend updating and fixing my site instead of crying and whining. I think the rest of you should do the same.
  • Now start saying "yahoo it" or "Bing it"
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  • funny joke.. lol
  • Google has made changes big deal there to much money to be made on the internet to abounded Google, we have to adapted that's what IM's do. Google will settle down and even things out, those Garbage sites will be gone and who ever is doing proper SEO will rank again make an authority site with not one source of spammy backlinks and you should rank so next time Google makes an update your site wont get hit that bad.
  • I lost my traffic too, and I see some crappy results myself BUT I still use Google myself, so I don't think Google is dead at all(yet). However, it can be the beginning of the end of Google. The fact you can now do "negative SEO" will hurt Google.

    In the past, when there was no such thing (word) as SEO, the search results were crappy. Then when the results were based a lot on on-page SEO, the results were crappy too. Around that time I used many different search engines.

    The Google's success was largely (or at least partly) because they introduced off-page/linking factors. After people started to do SEO based on off-site factors, actually the search results got better.

    Now webmasters are starting to give up on SEO/Google. That means the search results can become much worse later. It might be just my opinion but people who do work on SEO and put money on SEO DO have good websites. They care their websites and they spend time and effort to optimize not only for the search but for the conversion etc. I can't just say websites with good conversion are good sites, but they are at least relevant to the search terms. We will lose these websites from SERPs.

    Google probably thinks it's for the better, but I don't personally agree.Yes I said I still use Google but it is more like out of habits and I do see crappy results as an user and I don't like it. Now things just changed so not so many non-webmasters notice it, but I think gradually (It could be in 1 year, could take 5 years) people start to notice and leave Google.
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    • I don't think that Google success is largely based on off-page factors.
      Yahoo and Bing are also based on off-page factors to order the search
      results, but they are not even close to what quality google provides
      for search results.

      I believe Google sucess is based on on-site factors rather than on-page
      and or off-page factors. Look at bing and yahoo search results. They seem
      to be pages that include exact match keywords on their titles ordered
      purely by the pagerank or anchor text link relevancy i.e the
      offpage factors you are talking about.
  • sites hit by penguin update are still not back even after removing the low quality backlinks.
  • This is not a surprise or something new.

    Google algorithms sucks as it´s not able to identify a good, quality and relevant webs by itselfs, so all tricks about links, PR, and so on, are just the way to get all us crazy and depending on their algorithm changes.

    And of course, they win money with this. They have improved about more than 30% the Adwords revenue after penguin update, so more updates will be coming very soon "to improve quality results" bah!
  • ROTFLMAO! Dug up an old thread that you spammed....

    I quoted your first post....how silly one looks months later when posting
    this drivel...

    Google wants to be the most non-relevant search engine on the market....
    for IMers who are always trying to outshmooze each other...

    Paul
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    I think the whole internet can agree that Matt Cutts has done more to destroy Google than he has to help it. Google is now officially the most non-relevant search engine on the market thanks to the "Optimize Penalty" they just rolled out today. Forums everywhere are now poking fun at the junk that is ranking in Google top 10; such as countless abandoned sites with blank or little content. This is what Google calls "Quality??" To read more about which sites are preferred by Google see here Wake up Google!! There's no such thing as Over Optimized. - Main Backlinks/SEO Discussion - Traffic Planet