Right Now There's More Opportunity For Google Success Than Ever

12 years ago

As long as their algorithm is based on backlinks they'll always have spam problems. People will soon learn to adapt to their changes and get enough data to game their system again soon enough.

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mosthost

12 years ago

Originally Posted by LimitLessJZ

As long as their algorithm is based on backlinks they'll always have spam problems. People will soon learn to adapt to their changes and get enough data to game their system again soon enough.

I'm sure you're right. I don't really believe that Google can defeat very skilled 'technical SEOs.' That said, they probably just demotivated most of the mid-market spammers who have been running amok based on backlinking tools and outsourced SEO services.

This update is likely to have a profound change on the psychology of people and how they build websites. Link spam has become a pasttime that has been engaged in casually by just about everyone in the last few years.

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nik0

Banned 12 years ago

I 100% agree with you Mosthost. Working on brand new sites is a joy for me as it always works out great. Good sites from offline clients are also a pleasure btw, but with aged sites with a lot of crappy links it seems like a gamble more often then not.

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mosthost

12 years ago

Originally Posted by nik0

I 100% agree with you Mosthost. Working on brand new sites is a joy for me as it always works out great. Good sites from offline clients are also a pleasure btw, but with aged sites with a lot of crappy links it seems like a gamble more often then not.

You got it. Once the 'karma' gets too bad for a site, it's like pulling teeth to improve rankings.

I also think the idea of 'really big websites' is no longer as effective as it used to be. Most of us would be better off spreading the risk across many websites. Keep them tightly focused, don't overdo the SEO and pay CLOSE ATTENTION to what you're seeing in the rankings.

I mean there's no better learning tool than discovering why you think a 'blank page' is ranking for a competitive term. Opportunities to study these anomalies don't come around that often so we need to examine them.

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dp40oz

12 years ago

Originally Posted by LimitLessJZ

As long as their algorithm is based on backlinks they'll always have spam problems. People will soon learn to adapt to their changes and get enough data to game their system again soon enough.

From what I am seeing the game is exactly the same just with much stricter penalties. I agree with the OP that things may be easier now. If you go about your link building plans with a less is more mentality focusing on high quality and high PR links it looks like you should do well. Granted its a bit early to say, but links are still the major algorithm factor followed by a ton of filters to see if you should be penalized.

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mosthost

12 years ago

Originally Posted by dp40oz

From what I am seeing the game is exactly the same just with much stricter penalties. I agree with the OP that things may be easier now. If you go about your link building plans with a less is more mentality focusing on high quality and high PR links it looks like you should do well. Granted its a bit early to say, but links are still the major algorithm factor followed by a ton of filters to see if you should be penalized.

Definitely less would be more now. Our competitors were all banking on 'IP diversity' from dubious backlink sources. With those links gone or worse, it means fewer links go further, especially when couple with optimized site structure, fast load times, engaging videos and content etc.

Many of the 'old dogs' have been relying on age of backlinks and backlink diversity and very little else IMHO. It should ultimately be good to see a 'changing of the guard.'

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nik0 Banned 12 years ago

Tiered linking has become more important now but not the crappy

tier1: web2.0
tier2: bookmarks
tier3: scrapebox + xrumer

you need a lot stronger links for that and put a bit more time in the tier1 web2.0's to make them look cute.

I also think it's smart to have many sites, not the typical micro niche site but more like that the root focusses on a 25k - 100k exact keyword and then 20-30 pages of content or so that focus on 500 exact searched keywords.

With a good bunch of solid links to the mainpage and some diversity spreaded over the other pages it should easily rank and move the main kw up to page 2 or 3 as well. Then the real SEO comes into play to move up that tough kw and cause of the diversity you don't need to worry about that anymore and use all your strong links with the same anchor.

Thats my strategy now when I am working on sites for a longer time.
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ketset

12 years ago

It's always a tricky subject trying to work out what Google will do next but If you follow the rules of non-spam linking and make everything Organic as it should be then I don't see why Google would ever drop a site!

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outwest

12 years ago

IMO going out and buying 1000 domains and putting adsense on these mini sites
is putting a target on your back
normal people dont own that many domains, thats a red flag to google
very simple to put an algo that checks number of sites or domains with that adsense acct pasted on it. Then manual check boom, they are all deindexed. Didnt this just happen to one guy for 700 of his domains

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dp40oz

12 years ago

Originally Posted by outwest

IMO going out and buying 1000 domains and putting adsense on these mini sites
is putting a target on your back
normal people dont own that many domains, thats a red flag to google
very simple to put an algo that checks number of sites or domains with that adsense acct pasted on it. Then manual check boom, they are all deindexed. Didnt this just happen to one guy for 700 of his domains

Many major companies have 1000's of sites. I don't think Google really cares if you have a lot of websites or even if those websites aren't that great. I think Google usually has a pretty decent live and let live mentality. Its when you spam those 1000 sites to the top and blatantly game them is when things get hairy.

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JeanneLynn

12 years ago

I'd love to believe this. I've always hated the concept of backlinks. In fact, I refused to backlink any of my sites for the first 6 months. The problem was that they weren't going anywhere and eventually I was lured by BMR. I just started using BMR the month before they went down.

I'd be happy if it was possible to rank a website with only good content. I'm a good writer. I wouldn't mind spending a lot of time cranking out beautiful content if I thought it would work.

However, I'm seeing reports of good authority sites being hit (that did no backlinking).

I don't want to waste another six months writing content and then have Google strike down my new websites. Everything is really iffy right now.

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RevSEO

12 years ago

I'm a bit confused, why are we even discussing hypotheticals instead of facts?

Google's latest "Panda refresh" won't stick, there's more garbage in the SERPs than I've ever seen before. Not to mention the fact that their parked domains enhancement screwed up more than ever. I just came across a first page that had 3 parked domains.

Don't forget that many sites were affected by this recent "refresh", including sites that were playing by the rules.