Are MFA and Micro-niche sites not worth it after the G update?

12 years ago

Originally Posted by JohnJD

Hi,

I'm confused If I should keep trying with MFA and Micro niche sites after the latest G update.

What are your thoughts? should we change the way we do SEO for those type of sites?

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ereader1407

12 years ago

i have 2 minisites.

until today still survive in page1 in google.

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i believe the minisite with the microniche keyword still stands until today. as long as you not use the massive backlinking method in a short time

IMO that strategy is quite dangerous for your website nowadays..

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Dellco 12 years ago

MFA micro niche sites are still working, but you need to get smarter about them especially in the linking.

EMD is perhaps more important now then ever and is the saving factor for some of the crappy sites that floated to the top once Google nuked a lot of authority large sites (along with all their longtail rankings) in the past couple of days. This sitewide nuking of many large quality sites is what pissed off a lot of people.

So the opportunity is clearly there. If you read some of the threads here, there are some very new EMDs with just a few pages that rose overnight to page 1.

Why? They have a "cleaner" backlink profile, since they were new....

I do not think this situation will last forever though. But if you want to grab the opportunity, it's still there, and maybe better than ever. Also if you're buying/registering a new EMD, make sure to investigate its backlink history, the "cleaner" the better.
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- inter123 12 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by Dellco
  
  hey have a "cleaner" backlink profile
  
  What is the definition of "cleaner" backlink profile. Would manual spinning count in this category?
  
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  dmtaylor247 12 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by inter123
  
  What is the definition of "cleaner" backlink profile. Would manual spinning count in this category?
  
  No, just meaning they require less links, for a competitive site you need to hit it hard, I was building 150/200 pr4/5 links per day for some sites, with this type of link profile it's easier to get busted, so a smaller site would be harder to spot.
  
  Either way, I would steer clear of spun content and blog networks for now and anything that's not super relavant to your site, forget about it.
  
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dmtaylor247

12 years ago

I think the trouble is with EMD and MNS is once you get to 200+ sites Adsense staff will start to notice your account and probably ban it if you're using them to monetize the sites. Alot of top affiliates were earning up to $20,000 a month building these types of sites but had their adsense accounts banned.

Having said that I focused on larger authority sites only to have Google piss all over the fire. So I may go for the MNS approach this time round and build smaller focused sites. How I see it at the moment is with more sites you have the less risk to your income as long as you build them all competely differently, less time to build them and their backlink profile has less chance of being flagged as you will require less links, easier to rank too and if they go down the pan it's less work cleaning them up.

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jqcaffiliate 12 years ago

What is EMD, IMO, and MFA?
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- inter123 12 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by jqcaffiliate
  
  What is EMD, IMO, and MFA?
  
  emd = exact match domain
  imo = in my opinion
  mfa = made for adsense
  
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erazer

12 years ago

And what's MNF?

I've had most of my EMD sites hammered in rankings yesterday and my adsense earnings are 20% of what they used to be. Bummer. But I would be surprised if micro niche sites got hit just for being "micro niche". After all, a mall with only large stores would be boring as hell without those small mom & pop kiosks that sell only one thing--like phone cases, chocolate, t-shirts or calendars. I hope google sees it that way too.

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dmtaylor247

12 years ago

Originally Posted by erazer

And what's MNF?

MNF = Micro Niche Finder?

I don't think it's necessarily EMD or MNS just over optimizing. i.e same keyword in url, title and 80% of incoming backlinks from dodgy sources plus plastered all over your site and linking to the index page.

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JohnJD 12 years ago

Yes, I guess one the biggest problem with these sites is the massive backlinking. How we can be on the " safe" side if we decide to use these backlink services? Which services are safe to use and which are not?

As Matt Cutts says...

Google's Matt Cutts Warns Against Buying Links -...
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mosthost

12 years ago

Originally Posted by dmtaylor247

MNF = Micro Niche Finder?

I don't think it's necessarily EMD or MNS just over optimizing. i.e same keyword in url, title and 80% of incoming backlinks from dodgy sources plus plastered all over your site and linking to the index page.

For sure. This is the definition of 'over optmized.'

Keywords in URL: Check
Keyword in Title: Check
Keyword in H1: Check
Keyword in images: Check
Keywork in all backlinks: check.

This stuff used to work great a few years ago but has been struggling for years. That's why people literally are building 'millions' of backlinks to try and land some D-list term. It's over kill.

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mrtrance

12 years ago

Originally Posted by mosthost

For sure. This is the definition of 'over optmized.'

Keywords in URL: Check
Keyword in Title: Check
Keyword in H1: Check
Keyword in images: Check
Keywork in all backlinks: check.

This stuff used to work great a few years ago but has been struggling for years. That's why people literally are building 'millions' of backlinks to try and land some D-list term. It's over kill.

So then how do we structure a site that we will monetize for adsense now? So for example let's say I want to target the keyword "dog training collar". I go and get a domain name say "dogtrainingcollarsite.com" and then write my first article for the homepage.

So are you saying we shouldn't use the keyword "dog training collar" in the title anymore, h1, images, etc. and just use that term like in 30-40% of the anchor text from now on? But then my question is if the onpage is not focused on that term and our anchor texts are not primarily focused on that term how the hell will we rank for that term in near future?

So if someone can suggest how do we go about optimizing an article for a keyword we want to rank please let us all know. And you can use the example keyword "dog training collar".

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xiro25

12 years ago

Originally Posted by mosthost

For sure. This is the definition of 'over optmized.'

Keywords in URL: Check
Keyword in Title: Check
Keyword in H1: Check
Keyword in images: Check
Keywork in all backlinks: check.

This stuff used to work great a few years ago but has been struggling for years. That's why people literally are building 'millions' of backlinks to try and land some D-list term. It's over kill.

This is not 100 percent accurate. It is talking about having your keyword "blue widgets" show in your page or force it several times just for density reasons. Also having spamming your title. google wants everything Natural. So If I were to target Blue Widgets

Url: awesomewidgets.com/Where-to-find-Blue-Widgets
Title: Awesome Widgets | #1 source for Blue Widgets
H1: Where Can I find the best blue widgets
Images dont worry about to much
Backlinks: Mainly just the naked url, Then A few blue widgets anchors, CLick here, Awesome widgets,

I really think that google is looking into more of where the backlink is coming from vs just the anchor. So maybe the page title, surrounding text, things like that.

First Build a site that is what a user would want to see if they were searching for blue widgets.

Second Build a network of supporting sites that all focus on blue widgets or something related to blue widgets. and link back to your site.

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NicheSiteLab

12 years ago

I can't see any reason why not to continue.. my sites are still doing just fine!

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stelweb

12 years ago

A lot of thick and authority sites also got smacked by penguin. The only thing you have to remember is that from now on, link profile matters a lot, regardless of whether it is mns or authority site.

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checklinks

12 years ago

no need to worry about micro sites because it's work is genuine and you will never find any bad effects on your site ranking on Google.

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josephseeley

12 years ago

It may make even more sense to build lots of small sites now. At least for people starting out/over. I can't imagine looking at SEO landscape right now and thinking that the best thing to do would be to pour thousands of hours and dollars into a new project that a few fiverr gigs could toast (within your first year or two of gaining authority).

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Mosa

12 years ago

Originally Posted by JohnJD

Hi,

I'm confused If I should keep trying with MFA and Micro niche sites after the latest G update.

What are your thoughts? should we change the way we do SEO for those type of sites?

Thanks!

We're not only doing well with MFA sites, we're killing it! The key thing here is to do really good keyword research and rank for those low competition keywords where all the other sites on the top are junk. Think about it...if you have the most relevant site out there with the content people want to read, why wouldn't Google rank you?

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alimulyadi

12 years ago

JohnJD,

Be careful with MFA websites.

Google don't like it and could disable your Adsense account.

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