Clickbank Sales Page Traffic Is Down X4

12 years ago

Yeah a lot of people are seeing their affiliate sites bite the dust as affiliate links are

"misleading" or something.... idk

That's the WarriorForum theory anyways

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Tris

12 years ago

Originally Posted by sovereignn

Yeah a lot of people are seeing their affiliate sites bite the dust as affiliate links are

"misleading" or something.... idk

That's the WarriorForum theory anyways

Yes, but and I can really understand that. We all find it annoying when you search for an honest review, and every single page is like:

"Is it a scam? No it isn't! CLICK HERE"

Good to get rid of dodgy affiliate sites like that. But I am talking about the actual sales page. I am no affiliate - I am the product! My product sales page was the one that was an honest 3rd in Google - now GOOONE!

Never SEO'd, Spammed or done anything but provide a good product. In fact this info products in particular is one of the few I know with a refund rate of under 1% (seriously)

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sovereignn

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Tris

Yes, but and I can really understand that. We all find it annoying when you search for an honest review, and every single page is like:

"Is it a scam? No it isn't! CLICK HERE"

Good to get rid of dodgy affiliate sites like that. But I am talking about the actual sales page. I am no affiliate - I am the product! My product sales page was the one that was an honest 3rd in Google - now GOOONE!

Never SEO'd, Spammed or done anything but provide a good product. In fact this info products in particular is one of the few I know with a refund rate of under 1% (seriously)

Google sucks man, if it's a great product then PPC would probably work well

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Tris 12 years ago

Agreed.

Just submitted for approval on PPC now... I also did years ago and I recall it was wildly profitable.. but they canned me with everyone else. Now I have higher conversions, higher price etc... Should be okay.. I hope.

But that is also Google :confused:

This beast is too powerful. I could also choose FB PPC but I feel it must be better to target people actually searching for you, rather than interrupt people on Facebook looking at friends, photos etc... Right? So the best PPC is still also Google. Come to think of it, saying "Google sucks try PPC" is kind is funny (in a not funny way) don't you think?

Aww man. Why did we let Google take over the world?
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Alexa Smith Banned 12 years ago

Originally Posted by Tris

this info products in particular is one of the few I know with a refund rate of under 1%

Products don't "have refund rates", in any meaningful sense: only affiliates/vendors "have refund rates".

Products' refund rates vary hugely from one affiliate to another.

Overall, the more SEO-dependent a traffic-generation method is, for promoting ClickBank products, the lower will be the conversion rate and the higher the refund rate. And there are reasons for each. http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post5210243
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joona

12 years ago

If you rely on affiliate traffic, it could be that lots of affiliate sites just sunk because of the new G algorithm.

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winebuddy

12 years ago

One of my Clickbank sales pages went from page 1 to page 5. That effected my traffic a bit...

Google controls the world economy.

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Alexa Smith Banned 12 years ago

Originally Posted by winebuddy

Google controls the world economy.

And soon the asteroid economy, too, I think ... :p
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Dietriffic 12 years ago

Originally Posted by winebuddy

Google controls the world economy.

lol...

Sounds like a Daily Mail headline.
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davemiz

12 years ago

ya, things are nuts right now but it looks ilke they're still tweaking things... as pages are moving up and down.

i have a buddy with a spammy adsense site thats ranked now on page 2 for a BIG kw.... we were laughing our rear ends off cuz that site wasn't even designed for SEO...

so this whole thing is a big joke.

note to self and everyone: don't rely on one traffic source and always control the traffic. (i.e. buy it)

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Alessandro Zamboni

12 years ago

Until affiliate Clickbank pages are all the same, it's highly possible that that pages, one the copy of the other, are removed or moved down the results.
Only who provides valuable and unique reviews, or the authors, can save their websites from penalization.

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Tris

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Alexa Smith

Products don't "have refund rates", in any meaningful sense: only affiliates/vendors "have refund rates".

I see what you're saying, Alexa. But you are kind of micro-managing my words. In general, this product has less than 1 in 100 people asking for a refund. I really can't call that a refund rate of under 1%?

Originally Posted by Chris Kent

Can't believe people are relying on SEO traffic from their single-page sales pages.

Can't believe I did either..

Not relying on it completely, but yes, obviously way too much. The page had about 40% organic traffic, 40% affiliates and 20% other stuff. Both organic & affiliate traffic has dropped significantly. "Other stuff" should be a higher % I guess. Joona mentioned that many affiliates may have lost their rankings and that has also certainly happened.

My question though, was relating to the 'penguin' update, and if it is possible that the update was targeting sales pages in any way? You know, anything that links to a CB order form? Is that possible?

To go from 3rd in Google to 1000+ is a little dramatic for a website providing value, I think. I thought this update was only supposed to target SPAMMY sites and would only affect around 3% of sites. Honestly believed I would benefit like I did with 'panda' but the opposite happened - big time.

I have told Google about this (in their little 'penguin' form thingy) but that is like an ant tapping a giant on the toe to ask for directions. Not sure they do anything, respond or really care... Do you think the new algorithm is pushing CB order forms down in Google? I do..

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wwwBaron

12 years ago

Hey Tris,

I have several Clickbank vendor accounts in completely different non-IM niches, and they are all experiencing what you describe.

Some of my sales pages themselves ranked very well for keywords and those dropped off a cliff very recently. Also, key affiliate traffic is down 50%-90% almost across the board.

It might just be a Google twitch and things will return to normal soon, but I am increasingly coming to agree with your anti-Clickbank theory.

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paulgl

12 years ago

I cannot believe that people just keep insisting that google
runs their lives, runs the world, is responsible for their
income, etc.

Just plain crazy.

It's up to YOU to get traffic to your site. Not google.

Why do people think google is forced to give you traffic?

There are tons of ways to get people to your site.
Google is just one of a million.

You can do anything and everything legal to advertise
your site, from newspapers, TV, flyers, email marketing,
even standing on the corner twirling a sign.

If your site is really valuable, and people will want to
buy your product, and it's not a scam, what are you
waiting for? Google Santa Claus?

I spent a day last week passing out flyers and tacking them
up at a local college. I may advertise in their newspapers.
Google does not run my life. No, that site was not dropped
or anything, just trying to pump up things on my own.
Worked out pretty good so far.

I've actually printed up flyers with websites I own that may
be use to families in my neighborhood. I spent an afternoon
passing these out. Now that's cheap direct marketing. You
could even buy a mailing list, buy postcards, send em, all
online.

If your site is actually worth it, that's what you would be
doing. If your site is not, well, not much else to say.

I also print up tons of business cards and leave them
everywhere.

Paul

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Tris

12 years ago

Originally Posted by wwwBaron

Hey Tris,

I have several Clickbank vendor accounts in completely different non-IM niches, and they are all experiencing what you describe.

Some of my sales pages themselves ranked very well for keywords and those dropped off a cliff very recently. Also, key affiliate traffic is down 50%-90% almost across the board.

It might just be a Google twitch and things will return to normal soon, but I am increasingly coming to agree with your anti-Clickbank theory.

Hopefully a little twitch that they needed to do for some reason, and we can all go back to business as usual (without relying on them so much). But here is another theory I've cooked:

I have noticed most of my sites that have been "slapped" are with exact match domains - or very close. Especially my 2 biggest sites hit that were EXACT MATCH.

Are your websites exact match by any chance? This would still be an unusual move by Google, but at least it would give some merit to the whole "penalizing over optimization" theory?

What do you think?

Originally Posted by paulgl

It's up to YOU to get traffic to your site. Not google.

Why does this upset you so much? :confused:

I believe it is my job to provide the highest quality website/product in my niche area. Assuming I have done that, it kind of is Google's job to help people searching for what I offer, to find me over lower quality sites.

It's kind of their whole deal.

I just lost 1000+ unique visitors a day to one sales page - sorry I mentioned it. You say to ignore that and start "running around a college pinning flyers.."

Really?

I know of other methods, offline & online. But right now I am trying to figure out why I lost one of my main sources of traffic - so are other people. I would be silly to ignore this loss and run around creating new traffic sources while this problem remains, wouldn't I?

I also have niche websites in ridiculously specific areas. My target market would represent less than 1 in 10,000+ people in any public place. That doesn't mean my product is a scam or bad quality, it simply means it is very specific.

Therefore, handing out flyers or "twirling a sign" offline is probably not going to hit my potential customers in the same way that targeting people searching my "exact keywords" in the world's largest search engine could

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wwwBaron

12 years ago

A couple of my sites are near matches, though not exact matches. My other sites aren't at all. And of course that would not explain the decrease across all the external affiliate sites.

Whatever the common thread is - if it's not in fact Clickbank - it would have to be of more substance than just an exact match issue.

As for paulgl's sanctimonious essay, I just chose to ignore it, as it had exactly zero to do with this thread. Don't feed the troll.

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Tris

12 years ago

Originally Posted by wwwBaron

A couple of my sites are near matches, though not exact matches. My other sites aren't at all. And of course that would not explain the decrease across all the external affiliate sites.

Whatever the common thread is - if it's not in fact Clickbank - it would have to be of more substance than just an exact match issue.

As for paulgl's sanctimonious essay, I just chose to ignore it, as it had exactly zero to do with this thread. Don't feed the troll.

My bad. Hungry Troll......

Indeed, the affiliates. Well the only other common denominator is Clickbank - or money in general. I think my plan now is to "not do anything stupid" and re-group tomorrow. With a little luck this lack of traffic has all been a bad dream.

Thank you for your comments.

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wwwBaron

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Tris

Indeed, the affiliates. Well the only other common denominator is Clickbank - or money in general. I think my plan now is to "not do anything stupid" and re-group tomorrow. With a little luck this lack of traffic has all been a bad dream.

I also plan to take a wait-and-see approach, at least for the coming week or so. If things start to look like they aren't ever going back to normal, I have a game plan, which I would be glad to share with you via PM.