Post-Penguin: How Do You Create a Site Now?

12 years ago

You build sites the same way as before the update. You build manual backlinks and avoid backlinks from sites where service providers place backlinks.

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redstanford 12 years ago

Originally Posted by Mister Rex

You build sites the same way as before the update. You build manual backlinks and avoid backlinks from sites where service providers place backlinks.

so EMDs?

no more outsourcing my seo?
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- Mister Rex 12 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by redstanford
  
  so EMDs?
  
  no more outsourcing my seo?
  
  EMDs are fine. It is how you use them that determines if you are hit. In one of my niches, there is an EMD.net on the 1st pages that wasnt there before the update.
  
  Looking at that site, it is a branded ecommerce site, not a thin content site.
  
  EMDs are ok, as long as they are not
  whatcoloreyeshadowgoeswithbrownshoes.com
  
  Those days are over. If you find an EMD that is short and somewhat brandable, there is no need not to use it. It is just a domain name.
  
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sovereignn

12 years ago

I build all my things exactly the same, no panda or penguin has changed the way I build sites

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Fraggler

12 years ago

Why not have a bit of a play and see what gives you the best results? There are some really strange results happening such as forum posts returning first page results for what seem like competitve terms fast.

Your best bet is have a look at the current top 10 for your keyword and see what approach they are taking. They are ranking for a reason.

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Oranges

12 years ago

This way...

If your keyword is "Fatt Cuntts Can Kiss My SSA" then your domain should be WhoTheHellIsJerryPage.com and your secondary keyword should be "Puppit Singhal's BS Review" See? by going this way, you won't be OVER OPTIMIZED and you're absolutely safe (Even that cutie l'il penguin won't bite you)! and after all that, im sure you'll rank for viagra and cialis.

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redstanford

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Oranges

This way...

If your keyword is "Fatt Cuntts Can Kiss My SSA" then your domain should be WhoTheHellIsJerryPage.com and your main keyword should be "Puppit Singhal's BS Review" See? by going this way, you won't be OVER OPTIMIZED and you're absolutely safe (Even that cutie l'il penguin won't bite you)! and after all that, im sure you'll rank for viagra and cialis.

</Sick of Gurus!>

i don't know whether to laugh or cry....

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Oranges 12 years ago

Originally Posted by redstanford

i don't know whether to laugh or cry....

1st option...:rolleyes:
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emigre

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Oranges

This way...

If your keyword is "Fatt Cuntts Can Kiss My SSA" then your domain should be WhoTheHellIsJerryPage.com and your secondary keyword should be "Puppit Singhal's BS Review" See? by going this way, you won't be OVER OPTIMIZED and you're absolutely safe (Even that cutie l'il penguin won't bite you)! and after all that, im sure you'll rank for viagra and cialis.

</Sick of Gurus!>

The way things are going, this might just work.

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redstanford

12 years ago

haha ok fair enough.

instead of creating a new site al together - what if I created a kick*** Hubpage with my aff link on it?

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brettb

12 years ago

Product review site? Is this 2008?

Think bigger. Actually sell the widgets!

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bangzenk

12 years ago

Exact Match Domains or not? NO
Keyword optimize or not? YES
Add keywords at all? NO
Do I build any backlinks at all? YES

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redstanford 12 years ago

Originally Posted by bangzenk

Exact Match Domains or not? NO
Keyword optimize or not? YES
Add keywords at all? NO
Do I build any backlinks at all? YES

some people are saying emd some are saying no emd
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- jimnastics 12 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by redstanford
  
  some people are saying emd some are saying no emd
  
  There is nothing wrong with EMD, there are millions of EMD sites still doing as well as ever. It's just normal IM forum scare mongering.
  
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JKflipflop

12 years ago

Haha. I do not think the basics of building a website changes. Its not just Penguin but post any Google update, I am automatically brought to the realization that content is king.

It is best to ensure that you continue having quality content being posted on your site. And even as far as your backlinks, stay away from mass automation. Do not make it really easy for Google to bust you.

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TechGeek

12 years ago

I think what Google wants is quality. Quality contents as well as quality backlinks. Need to be careful and clearly understand how Google defines "quality".

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cooler1

12 years ago

I don't think people have a damn clue. A few of my sites were not affected by the Penguin and remain on page 1, but they were using the exact same on page SEO and backlinking as the sites which were affected and are no where to be seen. Plus the unaffected sites are in as equally as competitive niches as the affected sites so it doesn't seem it's anything to do with competition. So what can be deduced from that?

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datingworld

12 years ago

I used the same methods as before. Optimise site properly, build backlinks yourself.

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Kevin Perry

12 years ago

People need to stop worrying so much about what Google does. Trying to keep up with all the updates and algorithm changes will make you go crazy and slow your projects down in the process.

Keep in mind that it's the visitors that come to your site that make you the money, not Google. Optimize your sites for your visitors, not because Google says you should.

Kevin

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rinor81

12 years ago

Originally Posted by The Godfather

People need to stop worrying so much about what Google does. Trying to keep up with all the updates and algorithm changes will make you go crazy and slow your projects down in the process.

Keep in mind that it's the visitors that come to your site that make you the money, not Google. Optimize your sites for your visitors, not because Google says you should.

Kevin

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kaluuu

12 years ago

Originally Posted by The Godfather

People need to stop worrying so much about what Google does. Trying to keep up with all the updates and algorithm changes will make you go crazy and slow your projects down in the process.

Keep in mind that it's the visitors that come to your site that make you the money, not Google. Optimize your sites for your visitors, not because Google says you should.

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Kevin Perry 12 years ago

Originally Posted by kaluuu

Google rules your world! Google made you, google will destroy you

You will be forever spinning your wheels if this is your belief.

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cooler1

12 years ago

Originally Posted by redstanford

I have been doing the standard product review sites but this latest google penguin thing killed me.

Were you using any on page SEO plugins on your sites which were affected?

I was using SEOPressor. Today, i've deactivated SEOPressor on one of my affected sites. I'll see if that makes any difference.

Someone on this forum affected by Penguin said that they deactivated SEOPressor and they saw their site move up the SERPs, that was in addition to doing other things like decreasing the keyword density.

http://www.warriorforum.com/adsense-...n-pressor.html

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quercus5

12 years ago

Not much room left in the product review game anymore. I'd rather spend time building up an authority site with lots of great content focused on the end user.

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extremejava

12 years ago

If you are not earning full time from websites then wait for 15-20 days before taking any step.

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cayun

12 years ago

I build manual content, just it

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KaterSD

12 years ago

The title should read how do you backlink post penguin update

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Enfusia 12 years ago

The thing that seems to be working the best for me post Penguin is relevant links. I.E. if it's a blog comment for a site about acne having the link come from an edu about cosmetology is working well. Having a link from a site about auto racing is not seeming to help much.

Having anchor text variation is a big key that I have seen working as of the last 2 days.

Had a site that dropped to page 4 from page 1 #1 went and put up 20 high pr low obl links over 3 days with only 5 of the links w/keyword anchored the rest the url or variations + 1 goofy term of "bookmark this" The site is now page 1 #10 and hopefully still climbing.

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wadboram

12 years ago

I'd vote for EMDs as long as they can be branded. It works.

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Nicky Papers

12 years ago

This article from Microsite Masters gives a ton of insight on how to move forward after the Penguin Update.

Penguin Analysis: SEO Isn't Dead, But You Need to Act Smarter | Microsite Masters

Biggest takeaway from this article: SEO isn't as easy as it used to be, but there are solutions to get the results you're looking for!

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patricialin

12 years ago

Focus on what Google LOVES. Unique content. Authentic user-generated content.

Essentially it's gonna be a lot more work now, but you'll never go wrong staying within Google's T&Cs .

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1stpage

12 years ago

If you are doing product reviews, I'd recommend they be money pages on an authority site. This way you would have more flexibility with the inclusion of additional niche related content for rankings and traffic. Avoid thin sites. Avoid automated backlinks.

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ayetti

12 years ago

I had just started (literally 5 days before penguin) 2 emd sites in my niche, and they had sat 2-3 page for awhile, A day after penguin rolled out they shot up to two spots behind my main site. The EMD's are short and sweet, but still.....there was something happening there.