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Deindexing Sites at it's Peak?

by PimpinRice
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Is it me or is that I've been researching SEO services and all I hear is that people's complaint that their sites are being indexed... Like crazy!

So I dug into a little bit and done 12 hours of research, I realized google pretty much hit the spot this time with Penguin.

I think this is just the beginning.

Anyone notice this G Site Killing Spree of Spam sites?
#deindexing #peak #sites
  • Profile picture of the author JKflipflop
    Spam Sites - Yes. The big G did target spam sites with lots of contempt this time around :O

    I stll do not know whether to feel elated or a little taken aback. Reason being that none of my sites were hit. The reason - well, I know it is the fact that I have never really done excessive automation and certainly not spamming of any sort. But this update served as a warning of sorts to me - to make sure that I monitor my content doubly well!

    I realized that having good content is maybe what has saved my sites from possible deindexing.

    Anyway, hope the turmoil ends soon for the others
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    • Profile picture of the author salegurus
      Originally Posted by JKflipflop View Post

      Spam Sites - Yes.
      No, not only spam sites.
      I purchased a 12y old domain from Godady Auctions 10 days ago, it had about 50 pages indexed, 2000 BL PR0 etc. I pointed the DNS to my host installed WP and Boom the whole site was deindexed a day later.
      All i did was installed WP, some plugins and i added 1 post (I wrote myself).

      I have asked Google for re-inclusion now i can only wait...
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  • Profile picture of the author dmtaylor247
    Originally Posted by PimpinRice View Post

    I think this is just the beginning.
    LOL..

    The blackhat is not in the business of webspam anymore, at least not for their own websites, which actually amplifies this issue immensely. The blackhat seo is now a strategist. Yes Google have killed off alot of spam, but in the same process they have made their own jobs 10 x harder.

    Blackhat sites are becoming squeaky clean, even to the point that they will fool a manual review from a Google employee, this is the new strategy.

    While at the same time destroying the whitehat sites around them, the people that have worked hard for years will be killed off very quickly, by making Google believe they have manipulated their algorithm.

    This now becomes a huge issue for Google, and normal users won't see the quality they deserve. Business' will become irrate and frustrated and slowly begin to move away from Google completely.

    PimpinRice of course Google are watching this issue very closley, maybe more closer than we think, do they care? it's very much likely but to control people you need to create an unstable environment, a place where only confusion exists - this way they can benefit, while holding down their opponents.

    The trouble with any reverse psychological tactic to use to supress people is that it can quickly turn around and come back and attack you 10 times harder. This of course will benefit Google further over a short period over a short time, but it can't be used as a long term strategy as it will only devalue the internet in general.
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    • Profile picture of the author PimpinRice
      Originally Posted by dmtaylor247 View Post

      LOL..

      The blackhat is not in the business of webspam anymore, at least not for their own websites, which actually amplifies this issue immensely. The blackhat seo is now a strategist. Yes Google have killed off alot of spam, but in the same process they have made their own jobs 10 x harder.

      Blackhat sites are becoming squeaky clean, even to the point that they will fool a manual review from a Google employee, this is the new strategy.

      While at the same time destroying the whitehat sites around them, the people that have worked hard for years will be killed off very quickly, by making Google believe they have manipulated their algorithm.

      This now becomes a huge issue for Google, and normal users won't see the quality they deserve. Business' will become irrate and frustrated and slowly begin to move away from Google completely.

      PimpinRice of course Google are watching this issue very closley, maybe more closer than we think, do they care? it's very much likely but to control people you need to create an unstable environment, a place where only confusion exists - this way they can benefit, while holding down their opponents.

      The trouble with any reverse psychological tactic to use to supress people is that it can quickly turn around and come back and attack you 10 times harder. This of course will benefit Google further of a short period over a short time, but it can't be used as a long term strategy as it will only devalue the internet in general.

      In the way you're implying, I think big G isn't a fool. Sure I have read somewhere that even Google is de-indexing some of their own sites, but apart from that, black-hatters aren't very smart and keen to deem it as a strategy. If you think Google has to double their game then you are very wrong.

      If Google want to further advance their researches, all they have to do is possibly one thing, order black-hat services or any other services that seems spam-able to an extent and take notes from the reports, another thing that these SEO service providers should also double check.

      Playing psychological games isn't true to an extent of which the true burden-er holds. Big G wasn't using reverse, they were countering.

      Originally Posted by JKflipflop View Post

      The reason - well, I know it is the fact that I have never really done excessive automation and certainly not spamming of any sort.
      The reason I quote that is because I think it is the only "strategy" SEO providers should consider, blackhat or whitehat or just regular services.

      But then again, prices may change.

      The only thing I see benefiting in this market from this update right now is Native English who write their own contents. Their services are much needed at this moment.
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      • Profile picture of the author JKflipflop
        True that!

        As I said, the premium which Google places on quality content truly gets elevated to a new level each time Google comes out with a new update. And more than anything else, I feel this is reason enough for each and every marketer to align his/her site accordingly.
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        • Profile picture of the author dmtaylor247
          Originally Posted by JKflipflop View Post

          True that!

          As I said, the premium which Google places on quality content truly gets elevated to a new level each time Google comes out with a new update. And more than anything else, I feel this is reason enough for each and every marketer to align his/her site accordingly.
          That would seem the right thing to do, but like I said false positives will become harder to spot.

          Maybe Google got a victory today, many people who spam the internet are not bad people, yes they create alot of spam and have a guilt free conscience as they are not hurting anybody..

          ..but the way this is moving and blackhat spam attacking opponents, many will simply drop out like you say, can they really live with themselves after attacking other business'? in my case no...

          Bigger business where there is more money involved may not think the same, is this the end? I don't think Google have eliminated it, but they have reduced it significantly.
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      • Profile picture of the author dmtaylor247
        Originally Posted by PimpinRice View Post

        I think big G isn't a fool.
        They're sure not, but they are human like the rest of us..

        Originally Posted by PimpinRice View Post

        Sure I have read somewhere that even Google is de-indexing some of their own sites, but apart from that, black-hatters aren't very smart and keen to deem it as a strategy. If you think Google has to double their game then you are very wrong.
        I wouldn't under estimate Google for a second, but don't under estimate their opponents either.

        Matt Cutts penalised Google Chrome for 3 months for buying text links, they are still on the homepage unlike the rest of us, double standards I say...

        Originally Posted by PimpinRice View Post

        If Google want to further advance their researches, all they have to do is possibly one thing, order black-hat services or any other services that seems spam-able to an extent and take notes from the reports, another thing that these SEO service providers should also double check.
        True they had to do something as they were fighting a losing battle. I agree, they counteract spam by simply learning about it and removing false positives but spammers find new ways to cheat the system and these new "tactics" will be harder for them to spot.

        Originally Posted by PimpinRice View Post

        Playing psychological games isn't true to an extent of which the true burden-er holds. Big G wasn't using reverse, they were countering.
        I think it's all about group psychology and Google have played the game very well but I think it is even less about technology than it was a few years ago and more about how people behave and how groups of people behave.

        Originally Posted by PimpinRice View Post

        The only thing I see benefiting in this market from this update right now is Native English who write their own contents. Their services are much needed at this moment.
        Gaming the first page of Google is big business, the only people I will see winning more from now are people with bigger budgets to destroy their opponents and buy high quality text links.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mosa
    I haven't notice a single one of my sites take a hit and i've been building micro niche sites. I guess my way is just awesome
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  • Profile picture of the author MaroshIS
    The whole idea behind SEO is rather sick. It's not about quality content, it's about how much money you have to buy quality backlinks. Plus money you can spend to do negative SEO to competitors on first page. Since SEO is a sick moving target, I rely on PPC.
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  • Profile picture of the author Natlex
    I think it was a good update in the long run to combat web spam but right now the way it was done it definitely killed a lot of legitimate websites because they might have done too much white hat SEO (like guest posts or articles) and used proper anchor text to link back to their site without a lot of other "normal" backlinks from others linking to them. It's a pain but I think I'll redo most of my sites that tanked because it looks easier to reach #1 again with less effort, since most of the competition from other people who do SEO is gone (for now) in the top 5 rankings I was competing for.
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  • Profile picture of the author C Rebecca
    Not only spam sites, Google is hitting some valuable sites as well. I have been reading that this Penguin update is little buggy and hurting some websites which are offering quality information to the users.
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