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Expert Advice Requested! PR0 to PR5 leads to drop in rankings.

by computron
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Hello fellow warriors!

As you may have gathered from the title I am looking for some expert advice or possibly some insight from more knowledge SEO'ers/IMer's, and what better place to find them than at the Warrior Forum!

As you may have guessed from the title I went from PR0 to PR5 yesterday midday, I was so excited and couldn't wait for the rankings to update over night. I got up this morning and saw that I went from #6 on page one to #2 on page two. I was pissed. Is this me getting hit by the penguin update? Or possibly is it a google dance happening sense I jumped to a considerably high PR for a young domain?

I'll give you some more details about the website that may help you decide. It's about 4 month's old, It is targeting a considerably low competition niche. On google webmaster it has 111 backlinks, majesticSEO has recognized about 50 of them.

My main backlinking strategy is building web 2.0's and high end article directory's(goarticles, ezine, etc..) that link to my website and then I strengthen those web 2.0's with UAW. I also am the webmaster of a .edu PR6 website so I have given myself some free backlinks that way, which is why I think I got such a high PR.

As well I have drip fed my website 5 article submissions a day from UAW. That is how I have backlinked my site to date.

Yesterday I had 111 backlinks just like I did today.

So what do you think experts? Is it a google dance? Will I bounce back higher(oh man I am hoping this is the option!)? Or did I just loose about a month worth of SEO work?

Thank you so much in advance!!

Rob
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  • Profile picture of the author Jubu
    If you recently did some backlinking then it may be the dance. I'd just monitor it over the coming days and see how it does. PR is always being updates but Google doesn't update your public PR but a few times a year. So that has nothing to do with the drop. You could have been a PR 5 in the first week and you wouldn't have known about it. So my guess is the dance. Just keep up your backlinking and you'll be fine.
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    • Profile picture of the author computron
      Originally Posted by Jubu View Post

      If you recently did some backlinking then it may be the dance. I'd just monitor it over the coming days and see how it does. PR is always being updates but Google doesn't update your public PR but a few times a year. So that has nothing to do with the drop. You could have been a PR 5 in the first week and you wouldn't have known about it. So my guess is the dance. Just keep up your backlinking and you'll be fine.
      Thank you very much for the advice! Just realized that I had social bookmarked by site on around 10 sites and I think that I may have caused it to dance that way. I am hoping that I am not a penguin causality as it just happening now. But we will see in the coming days!

      Thank you for the advice
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  • Profile picture of the author mosthost
    You could be a Penguin casualty if you used too much exact anchor text.
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    • Profile picture of the author tylerherman
      Page rank has no direct relation to the SERPs.

      The day Google decides to give you a PR for the first time doesn't mean your ranks will magically be any different than it was the day before.

      So whatever changes to your search results were caused by some other factors. You've been doing SEO so you may have triggered a penalty or you may simply be seeing a dance.
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  • Profile picture of the author Pyramid Linkers
    My first thought is over-use of your anchor text. Mix it up if you haven't already. I wouldn't look too much into your PR rating, unless your are selling back links.
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  • Profile picture of the author dp40oz
    As I said in another post earlier.

    PR is strictly a mathematical formula that determines your backlink power. It takes nothing else into consideration, like penalties or other algorithmic factors. You can have a PR 5 and still not rank for anything. Its almost a meaningless figure except when searching for where to get powerful backlinks from.
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    • Profile picture of the author computron
      Originally Posted by dp40oz View Post

      As I said in another post earlier.
      Thank you that actually made me understand what PageRank actually means. My page rank only affects the websites that MY site is linking too. And has nothing to do with serps.

      I've been trying to keep under the 50% keyword anchor text ratio. I am going to have to mix it up a lot more. I have a feeling that 25 social bookmark's showing up overnight either penalized me or made me go into a dance. We shall see in the coming months!

      Thanks everyone for their input I appreciate it more than you know
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      • Profile picture of the author dp40oz
        Originally Posted by computron View Post

        Thank you that actually made me understand what PageRank actually means. My page rank only affects the websites that MY site is linking too. And has nothing to do with serps.

        I've been trying to keep under the 50% keyword anchor text ratio. I am going to have to mix it up a lot more. I have a feeling that 25 social bookmark's showing up overnight either penalized me or made me go into a dance. We shall see in the coming months!

        Thanks everyone for their input I appreciate it more than you know
        Well maybe I was a little too general. Pagerank isn't entirely meaningless because it is a factor but for example my site could be a pagerank 5 because I have 2 PR 6 sites linking to me with the anchor text "great blog". Thats not gonna help me much trying to rank for "dog training" but it means my site has link juice flowing through it. Harnessing link juice and PR can be a powerful thing when you learn how.
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  • Profile picture of the author ThatAblaze
    PR is not meaningless. If you have more than one page on your website then chances are they link to each other. When you have a higher PR those internal links mean more.

    computron, your site will probably bounce back in a short period of time. When it does, take this as a warning that your site hasn't yet grown roots and should not be subject to very much link stress until it gets older.
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  • Profile picture of the author RevSEO
    PageRank score =/= rankings

    It's an entirely different calculation than the ranking algorithm. Yes, PageRank is included in the overall algorithm but it's the the biggest calculation.

    There could be a number of factors of why you have seen a drop in rankings. As mosthost mentioned, it is likely your lack of anchor text diversification for all of your incoming links. Start building natural, unoptimized anchor text links. Things like, click here, learn more, url.com, domain name, etc.

    Also, is your link on the EDU site in the footer? If so, move it out of the footer into a more prominent spot on your site and you'll likely see a little more value from that link.
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  • Profile picture of the author wadboram
    This usually happens and for me I keep on building quality backlinks and posting articles and no need to rush things. You will restore back your SERPs.
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  • Profile picture of the author akazzz
    1. Google dance (Give it a week to stabilize)
    2. Minimal anchor text diversity
    3. Minimal link diversity
    4. Bad onpage seo
    5. How good is the content on your site
    6. PR =/= SERP
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