Adwords + eBook Sales Page = Disaster ?

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Hi,

I am fairly new to IM and have been lucky enough to join a coaching program to get me started. I now have a range of ebooks and a couple of membership sites about ready to launch.

But.....

My coach told me yesterday that using adwords, directed to an ebook sales page, will only lead to disaster with Google. Seems they don't like us using adwords to drive traffic to a sales page. I'm using long form (8-10 page) sales letters.

I guess I can understand if they penalise us for doing it, (better user experience etc) but on the other hand, aren't adverts used to 'sell stuff'. Do they get upset even if the advert says it relates to an eBook?

Any personal experience of this? I was rather hoping to use Adwords to drive a lot of the traffic. But I do have other plans, such as email campaigns etc. It will just be a lot slower........

Oh, and the ebook links below just have temporary text at the moment. The ebook sites with 'proper' sales letters are still under construction.
#adwords #disaster #ebook #page #sales
  • Profile picture of the author Robert Bleach
    Google doesn't have a problem if you are using adwords to link to a page that is selling your own product. If it's a sales page for someone else's product through an affiliate program, they will consider it a doorway page and you will have problems. Basically, they don't want you to use adwords to promote a page who's sole purpose is to get you to click a link to go to someone else's site to buy.

    So, if you have your own weight loss info product, adwords will have no problem. If you just have a review site for 10 Minute Abs, they will have a big problem.
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    • Profile picture of the author Dan Curtis
      And your conversion rate would have to be truly remarkable for you to sell enough ebooks with cold traffic to make a profit.
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      • Profile picture of the author Toplink
        Originally Posted by Dan Curtis View Post

        And your conversion rate would have to be truly remarkable for you to sell enough ebooks with cold traffic to make a profit.
        Hi Dan,

        By cold traffic, you mean traffic from the adwords? Yes I agree. But it will be worth a try I think. The books sell at $47. Lots of valuable bonuses and a niche business market. So adwords might still drive profitable traffic.

        But I take your point.....
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    • Profile picture of the author Toplink
      Originally Posted by Robert Bleach View Post

      Google doesn't have a problem if you are using adwords to link to a page that is selling your own product. If it's a sales page for someone else's product through an affiliate program, they will consider it a doorway page and you will have problems. Basically, they don't want you to use adwords to promote a page who's sole purpose is to get you to click a link to go to someone else's site to buy.

      So, if you have your own weight loss info product, adwords will have no problem. If you just have a review site for 10 Minute Abs, they will have a big problem.
      OK, Thanks. So Google will know it's my own site, because? I guess, I need to use the same google account. My adwords, analytics for the site in question etc ?
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      • Profile picture of the author Toplink
        Originally Posted by Toplink View Post

        OK, Thanks. So Google will know it's my own site, because? I guess, I need to use the same google account. My adwords, analytics for the site in question etc ?
        I tried adwords to 2 of my 4 sites.

        Result...........Total SLAP. Gone from Google..............

        The other 2 have survived.
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        • Profile picture of the author Toplink
          I have just re read all these posts, which were really helpful, thanks. And I read the link to google adwords guidelines about bridge pages.

          And I still don't see where I went wrong

          The landing page is not a bridge page.........here it is.

          What is Supply Chain Management? | What is Logistics?

          It has loads of content. It offers exactly what the advert states. People can buy directly from this page........

          Any ideas? It's really frustrating not being able to use adwords for my sites/products. I'm just too afraid to go near adwords now in case I lose more sites.
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          • Profile picture of the author socialbacklink
            Originally Posted by Toplink View Post

            I have just re read all these posts, which were really helpful, thanks. And I read the link to google adwords guidelines about bridge pages.

            And I still don't see where I went wrong

            The landing page is not a bridge page.........here it is.

            What is Supply Chain Management? | What is Logistics?

            It has loads of content. It offers exactly what the advert states. People can buy directly from this page........

            Any ideas? It's really frustrating not being able to use adwords for my sites/products. I'm just too afraid to go near adwords now in case I lose more sites.
            I'll tell you the main problem on this page. The page is fine. There is nothing wrong except that clickbank is known to be an affiliate network. A Google bot goes to your site and sees that your order page points to a clickbank domain. The Google bots are programmed to see that as a bridge page. Google has no problem with you not hosting the order page. But, they aren't manually checking that site. The bot is. You've just got to fix it.

            That order page link needs to have a nofollow link modifier and needs to point to something like http://whatisthesupplychain.com/order. Then, use a php redirect from order to go to your clickbank order page. That usually will stop them from slapping your campaigns. You can't make it seem like it's an affiliate site and that clickbank order page does. If you correct that and resubmit you should be fine. I would even take it a step further and have your webmaster put that order redirect into your robots.txt file.

            Oh and the Google number is: 1-877-721-1742. Guy above left out a number. Also, Google has nothing against selling ebooks. They do however, not like affiliates who sell with thin sites (bridge pages) that just give some basic info and go to another site. If you are selling your own product you have nothing to worry about it if you just follow the rules.
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            • Profile picture of the author Toplink
              Originally Posted by socialbacklink View Post

              I'll tell you the main problem on this page. The page is fine. There is nothing wrong except that clickbank is known to be an affiliate network. A Google bot goes to your site and sees that your order page points to a clickbank domain. The Google bots are programmed to see that as a bridge page. Google has no problem with you not hosting the order page. But, they aren't manually checking that site. The bot is. You've just got to fix it.

              That order page link needs to have a nofollow link modifier and needs to point to something like http://whatisthesupplychain.com/order. Then, use a php redirect from order to go to your clickbank order page. That usually will stop them from slapping your campaigns. You can't make it seem like it's an affiliate site and that clickbank order page does. If you correct that and resubmit you should be fine. I would even take it a step further and have your webmaster put that order redirect into your robots.txt file.

              Oh and the Google number is: 1-877-721-1742. Guy above left out a number. Also, Google has nothing against selling ebooks. They do however, not like affiliates who sell with thin sites (bridge pages) that just give some basic info and go to another site. If you are selling your own product you have nothing to worry about it if you just follow the rules.
              Awesome, thank you VERY much. I'll try all of that. When I 'resubmit' is that just calling Google or is there a 'process'?

              Again, many thanks...
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            • Profile picture of the author dburk
              Originally Posted by socialbacklink View Post

              I'll tell you the main problem on this page. The page is fine. There is nothing wrong except that clickbank is known to be an affiliate network. A Google bot goes to your site and sees that your order page points to a clickbank domain. The Google bots are programmed to see that as a bridge page. Google has no problem with you not hosting the order page. But, they aren't manually checking that site. The bot is. You've just got to fix it.

              That order page link needs to have a nofollow link modifier and needs to point to something like http://whatisthesupplychain.com/order. Then, use a php redirect from order to go to your clickbank order page. That usually will stop them from slapping your campaigns. You can't make it seem like it's an affiliate site and that clickbank order page does. If you correct that and resubmit you should be fine. I would even take it a step further and have your webmaster put that order redirect into your robots.txt file.

              Hi socialbacklink,

              That information is not correct. AdWords does not consider websites that use a Clickbank for checkout as a bridge page. Here is the official AdWords policy on Bridge pages:

              Bridge page - Advertising Policies Help

              @ Toplink,

              Using Clickbank for the checkout is not your problem.

              AdWords always sends you an email when an ad, or website landing page is disapproved that includes the policy that your ad or landing page violates. If you had an ad disapproved, why not share the reason stated for the disapproval? That would help us to help you.
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              • Profile picture of the author Toplink
                Originally Posted by dburk View Post

                Hi socialbacklink,

                That information is not correct. AdWords does not consider websites that use a Clickbank for checkout as a bridge page. Here is the official AdWords policy on Bridge pages:

                Bridge page - Advertising Policies Help

                @ Toplink,

                Using Clickbank for the checkout is not your problem.

                AdWords always sends you an email when an ad, or website landing page is disapproved that includes the policy that your ad or landing page violates. If you had an ad disapproved, why not share the reason stated for the disapproval? That would help us to help you.
                Hi Don,

                I received no communication all from Google. That is the problem! I have no idea what went wrong. My site just got slapped, period.
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                • Profile picture of the author dburk
                  Originally Posted by Toplink View Post

                  Hi Don,

                  I received no communication all from Google. That is the problem! I have no idea what went wrong. My site just got slapped, period.
                  Hi Toplink,

                  If you received no communication then you probably need to check your junk mail filters, or perhaps you accidently deleted the message? I manage many AdWords accounts for the past several years I have always received communications from AdWords when an ad was disapproved. Even if you missed the email message, you should still be able to use the Ad Preview and Diagnostic Tool to see why an ad was disapproved.

                  Now, perhaps I am misunderstanding you, you say you got slapped, if by slapped you mean the traditional term "Google Slapped", coined originally to indicate that your keyword quality scores were lowered to 1/10, then that';s a different issue. Please clarify what you mean by "slapped". Are your ads approved or not? That is something you can easily verify in the AdWords website interface.

                  If your ads are approved and it is simply that your quality scores are very low then you may have an issue with poorly written ads. So which is it?
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  • Profile picture of the author davidsu
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    Yes, it would be disaster if the landing page is your affiliate offers. Google will suspend your account without give any warning...

    But if the product is your product, you could get a huge sales, without need to spend so much effort.
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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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    I think this is the biggest problem Google has with selling via Adwords.

    I don't think Google wants you sending traffic to an external checkout, when the buyer is making a purchase.

    I think Google wants the traffic to stay on the same domain during checkout.

    I'm sure there's a bunch of Adwords Ads that contradict what I'm saying, but I still think that's how Google looks at the buyer experience.
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    • Profile picture of the author dburk
      Originally Posted by yukon View Post

      I think this is the biggest problem Google has with selling via Adwords.

      I don't think Google wants you sending traffic to an external checkout, when the buyer is making a purchase.

      I think Google wants the traffic to stay on the same domain during checkout.

      I'm sure there's a bunch of Adwords Ads that contradict what I'm saying, but I still think that's how Google looks at the buyer experience.
      Hi Yukon,

      As Lucid pointed out, that is not the case at all. They do not want you pointing ads toward a landing page that's primary purpose is to send traffic to yet another website to find what was implied or promised by the ad. Using a 3rd party website for checkout is perfectly fine, however you cannot send them to sales page on another domain.

      It's all laid out with details and examples on their Bridge Page policy page: Bridge page - Advertising Policies Help
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      • Profile picture of the author wolfmmiii
        Originally Posted by dburk View Post

        Using a 3rd party website for checkout is perfectly fine, however you cannot send them to sales page on another domain.
        I think this is what Yukon meant but in any event, this is a better way of stating it.

        At the end of the day, if the user can add the product to a cart without having to visit a secondary product page first, you will have far fewer problems.
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    • Profile picture of the author wolfmmiii
      Originally Posted by yukon View Post


      I don't think Google wants you sending traffic to an external checkout, when the buyer is making a purchase.

      I think Google wants the traffic to stay on the same domain during checkout.
      Yukon is right. This is exactly how I setup my Amazon sites when I promote them with AdWords. Unless the user can checkout right from your landing page, you will run into problems with AdWords.
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    • Profile picture of the author alvinchua91
      yup true. I just got my account banned =.-
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  • Profile picture of the author Lucid
    Originally Posted by Toplink View Post

    My coach told me yesterday that using adwords, directed to an ebook sales page, will only lead to disaster
    I think you better fire your coach.


    Originally Posted by yukon View Post

    I think Google wants the traffic to stay on the same domain during checkout.
    That's not it at all. They just don't want people to click on ads where the landing page makes them go to another sales page when they are ready to buy. That's called a bridge page. Instead, make them go to the checkout since that's what you want them to do in the first place. The domain where the checkout resides is irrelevant.
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  • Profile picture of the author dmtaylor247
    I've seen some really good examples of affiliate sites in adwords, some of them actually look like content style blogs with extra information and guides, the landing page is just like a blog post with affiliate links embeded it's still salesy but completely different from the usual squeeze page and not as thin. If it's your own product then you probably won't need to go through as much trouble but add abit more content and intergrate a shopping cart. If you can split the sales page down into sections it could help.
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  • Profile picture of the author yrre7
    I still see quite a few people using different destination url than their dispaly url on Adwords. I don't know how's that possible?
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  • Profile picture of the author alexei_aus
    Can anyone share an example of an ebook website that is promoted via Adwords?

    What payment platform would you recommend?
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  • Profile picture of the author wolfmmiii
    Are they saying specifically that its a bridge page?
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    • Profile picture of the author Toplink
      Originally Posted by wolfmmiii View Post

      Are they saying specifically that its a bridge page?
      'They' being Google? No. google have said nothing.

      It was just suggested above that I read the guide about bridge pages.
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      • Profile picture of the author wolfmmiii
        Originally Posted by Toplink View Post

        'They' being Google? No. google have said nothing.

        It was just suggested above that I read the guide about bridge pages.
        That, in its current form, does not appear to be a bridge page.
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        • Profile picture of the author paulgl
          Doesn't the words, "coach" and "ebook" already give people
          red flags? Combine that with "adwords," and of course you
          have a disaster.

          Fire the coach, dump the ebook, forget adwords.

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      • Profile picture of the author Josh Krenzke
        Originally Posted by Toplink View Post

        'They' being Google? No. google have said nothing.

        It was just suggested above that I read the guide about bridge pages.
        Google will tell you exactly what is wrong with your page if you ask them. I was promoting a clickbank product via adwords as an affiliate(I know that's not what you are doing but bear with me) a while back and got slapped. They suspended my account. I actually contacted them and asked the Google rep to tell me what I did wrong and exactly how to fix it. I did what they said and no more slap, still able to promote the same offer as an affiliate. Here is a number to get a hold of them 1-877-721-174. Talk to somebody at Google and they will tell you what to do to get "unslapped."
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        • Profile picture of the author Toplink
          Originally Posted by Josh Krenzke View Post

          Google will tell you exactly what is wrong with your page if you ask them. I was promoting a clickbank product via adwords as an affiliate(I know that's not what you are doing but bear with me) a while back and got slapped. They suspended my account. I actually contacted them and asked the Google rep to tell me what I did wrong and exactly how to fix it. I did what they said and no more slap, still able to promote the same offer as an affiliate. Here is a number to get a hold of them 1-877-721-174. Talk to somebody at Google and they will tell you what to do to get "unslapped."
          Thanks, I might try that.
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  • Profile picture of the author Lucid
    Doesn't look like a bridge page to me. Must be something else. Have you actually resubmitted an ad?

    Only comment I have is to do a spell check. You have definitely spelled wrong.
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    • Profile picture of the author Griffin Smith
      [quote/]
      Only comment I have is to do a spell check. You have definitely spelled wrong.[/quote]

      Actually your sales letter is full of typos and grammar mistakes, you might want to get get it proofread. Spell check is basically worthless and doesn't come close to catching even the most basic errors most of the time.

      Don't use CB as your payment processor, for some reason this sets off alarm bells with the Adwords reviewer in my experience.

      You could use e-junkie or download guard as an alternative.
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      • Profile picture of the author Toplink
        Originally Posted by Griffin Smith View Post

        [quote/]
        Only comment I have is to do a spell check. You have definitely spelled wrong.
        Actually your sales letter is full of typos and grammar mistakes, you might want to get get it proofread. Spell check is basically worthless and doesn't come close to catching even the most basic errors most of the time.

        Don't use CB as your payment processor, for some reason this sets off alarm bells with the Adwords reviewer in my experience.

        You could use e-junkie or download guard as an alternative.[/QUOTE]

        OK, thanks for the tips...
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  • Profile picture of the author MLMBrander
    It is always a good practice to take a 360 degree view of things before you actually engage to them. Take Google's side: When you create like a "doorway or bridge page" (your affiliate page) before the main site/product itself, it will produce negative user experience-Google tries to make sure they draw a clear border line between their interest to make money from advertisers vs their reputation.
    Hope this helps!

    Cheers!
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    • Profile picture of the author Matt.Lake
      Originally Posted by MLMBrander View Post

      It is always a good practice to take a 360 degree view of things before you actually engage to them. Take Google's side: When you create like a "doorway or bridge page" (your affiliate page) before the main site/product itself, it will produce negative user experience-Google tries to make sure they draw a clear border line between their interest to make money from advertisers vs their reputation.
      Hope this helps!

      Cheers!
      You clearly haven't checked out this guys sites. They're not affiliate sites.
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    • Profile picture of the author Toplink
      Originally Posted by MLMBrander View Post

      It is always a good practice to take a 360 degree view of things before you actually engage to them. Take Google's side: When you create like a "doorway or bridge page" (your affiliate page) before the main site/product itself, it will produce negative user experience-Google tries to make sure they draw a clear border line between their interest to make money from advertisers vs their reputation.
      Hope this helps!

      Cheers!
      But I'm not using a bridge page ? The landing page is the main sales page. That is what is so curious....
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  • Profile picture of the author Matt.Lake
    I know there are guys that are adamant that you can still get away with advertising ebook sites on Adwords, but I'd disagree to a point.

    They heavily clamped down on Clickbank style sales pages which is what your site is.

    For those with Amazon affiliate sites, bear in mind that it's totally different because you're likely selling "real" physical products.

    I had huge headaches with Adwords and ebook sites a couple of years back when they were starting to clamp down on them.

    1. Even though my sites were not "bridge pages" in the true definition, like yours, I was being told by Google that my site was a bridge page.

    It was not a bridge page. Buyer would go from Google ad to main salespage, then click through directly to checkout page (clickbank).

    In my opinion this could be down to poor judgment on the adwords reviewer behalf.

    2. I remember being told that Google were showing a strong disliking to ebook sites. And Clickbank in particular. I believe this wasn't directly from them but from the Google forums. It was Google representatives and helpers that were saying this though, not just random people.

    3. It also depends on your niche. I was in the "get your ex back" niche at the time, so while my product was legit and very high quality, the market on the whole had a lot of crap in it and thus a bad reputation overall. Google clamped down on all advertisers in the niche, and were like this in many other niches.

    Just my thoughts.

    I think you can get away with selling ebook via adwords buts it's a different game these days. I believe the Double Your Dating franchise still uses adwords with an ebook front end but the whole site structure was different to a single sales page last time I checked (a while back).

    The way you're hoping to advertise your sites on adwords is what was working up until a couple of years ago. I don't believe it will fly anymore.
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    • Profile picture of the author Toplink
      Originally Posted by Matt.Lake View Post

      The way you're hoping to advertise your sites on adwords is what was working up until a couple of years ago. I don't believe it will fly anymore.
      Thanks, very helpful. Guess I 'll try a different tactic. It's just so hard to get a definitive view on anything associated with Google
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    • Profile picture of the author Kalu243
      Originally Posted by Matt.Lake View Post

      I know there are guys that are adamant that you can still get away with advertising ebook sites on Adwords, but I'd disagree to a point.

      They heavily clamped down on Clickbank style sales pages which is what your site is.

      For those with Amazon affiliate sites, bear in mind that it's totally different because you're likely selling "real" physical products.

      I had huge headaches with Adwords and ebook sites a couple of years back when they were starting to clamp down on them.

      1. Even though my sites were not "bridge pages" in the true definition, like yours, I was being told by Google that my site was a bridge page.

      It was not a bridge page. Buyer would go from Google ad to main salespage, then click through directly to checkout page (clickbank).

      In my opinion this could be down to poor judgment on the adwords reviewer behalf.

      2. I remember being told that Google were showing a strong disliking to ebook sites. And Clickbank in particular. I believe this wasn't directly from them but from the Google forums. It was Google representatives and helpers that were saying this though, not just random people.

      3. It also depends on your niche. I was in the "get your ex back" niche at the time, so while my product was legit and very high quality, the market on the whole had a lot of crap in it and thus a bad reputation overall. Google clamped down on all advertisers in the niche, and were like this in many other niches.

      Just my thoughts.

      I think you can get away with selling ebook via adwords buts it's a different game these days. I believe the Double Your Dating franchise still uses adwords with an ebook front end but the whole site structure was different to a single sales page last time I checked (a while back).

      The way you're hoping to advertise your sites on adwords is what was working up until a couple of years ago. I don't believe it will fly anymore.
      So you mean, we should not expect sales for ebooks through Adwords?
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    • Profile picture of the author dburk
      Originally Posted by Matt.Lake View Post

      I know there are guys that are adamant that you can still get away with advertising ebook sites on Adwords, but I'd disagree to a point.

      They heavily clamped down on Clickbank style sales pages which is what your site is.

      For those with Amazon affiliate sites, bear in mind that it's totally different because you're likely selling "real" physical products.

      I had huge headaches with Adwords and ebook sites a couple of years back when they were starting to clamp down on them.

      1. Even though my sites were not "bridge pages" in the true definition, like yours, I was being told by Google that my site was a bridge page.

      It was not a bridge page. Buyer would go from Google ad to main salespage, then click through directly to checkout page (clickbank).

      In my opinion this could be down to poor judgment on the adwords reviewer behalf.

      2. I remember being told that Google were showing a strong disliking to ebook sites. And Clickbank in particular. I believe this wasn't directly from them but from the Google forums. It was Google representatives and helpers that were saying this though, not just random people.

      3. It also depends on your niche. I was in the "get your ex back" niche at the time, so while my product was legit and very high quality, the market on the whole had a lot of crap in it and thus a bad reputation overall. Google clamped down on all advertisers in the niche, and were like this in many other niches.

      Just my thoughts.

      I think you can get away with selling ebook via adwords buts it's a different game these days. I believe the Double Your Dating franchise still uses adwords with an ebook front end but the whole site structure was different to a single sales page last time I checked (a while back).

      The way you're hoping to advertise your sites on adwords is what was working up until a couple of years ago. I don't believe it will fly anymore.
      Hi Matt,

      I have never had an ad rejected simply because it was an ebook.

      What I have seen is that most ebook offers, of the type you find on clickbank, make unrealistic, exaggerated and unsubstantiated claims along with other AdWords policy violations. It's not the fact that they are ebooks that get them rejected, it is the tendency to hype and/or scam people in sales copy of ebook offers that causes the extra, and well deserved scrutiny.
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  • Profile picture of the author Toplink
    Wow, I see what you mean! My site builder screwed up the sales letter in the construction process......... And I found lots of typos and grammar issues.

    Sadly the spelling is English (as the Author is English) rather than US.
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  • Profile picture of the author AzlanR2
    Adwords with direct linking is dead. If you are an affiliate promoting other people's product, the best you can do is send the traffic to a review or pre-sell page.
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  • Profile picture of the author Anton543
    I think Google mainly wants people to use Adwords to direct traffic to their own ecommerce stores or some other eCommerce activity (e.g an events company wanting to sell tickets for a concert). They want to reduce the power of 'affiliates'. Part of the reasoning behind this is that lot of affiliate/landing pages look spammy which they feel could damage their reputation and turn big time advertisers away due to an overall decline in reputation.
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  • Profile picture of the author Lucid
    Toplink, I hate to criticize but you started this thread seven months ago and it seems you have done and tried nothing. A few of us mentioned typos and grammar and it appears nothing was done to your page. A spell-check/grammar check was the easiest, simplest thing to do.

    Let's review what's been discussed and what seems to be the agreement:

    1. You do not have a bridge page. At least three of us agree on that. If that's what Google says, I don't know what they see. It may be a glitch in the system or some reviewer misinterpreting the rule.

    2. Using CB's checkout is not the problem. Here again, at least two of us are in agreement about this.

    By the way, did you fire your coach? If you didn't, he obviously was not able to resolve your problem.

    As for Anton's comment just above, no, Google does not want to reduce the power of affiliates. They do want all advertisers, affiliate or not, to follow certain rules. The bridge page rule is one of them.
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    • Profile picture of the author Toplink
      Originally Posted by Lucid View Post

      Toplink, I hate to criticize but you started this thread seven months ago and it seems you have done and tried nothing. A few of us mentioned typos and grammar and it appears nothing was done to your page. A spell-check/grammar check was the easiest, simplest thing to do.

      Let's review what's been discussed and what seems to be the agreement:

      1. You do not have a bridge page. At least three of us agree on that. If that's what Google says, I don't know what they see. It may be a glitch in the system or some reviewer misinterpreting the rule.

      2. Using CB's checkout is not the problem. Here again, at least two of us are in agreement about this.

      By the way, did you fire your coach? If you didn't, he obviously was not able to resolve your problem.

      As for Anton's comment just above, no, Google does not want to reduce the power of affiliates. They do want all advertisers, affiliate or not, to follow certain rules. The bridge page rule is one of them.
      Sorry I have not been back to this thread for ages. Long story.....

      I have indeed tidied up the typos. And Yes I fired my coach. The site is still slapped. By that I mean it cannot be found on google search. Only by searching for the URL in full.

      Without knowing what the cause of the slap was, it is really pointless in trying to fix anything. At this stage I am just leaving the site, as I have too many other higher priorities, such as launching a new bricks and mortar business.

      The plan for The slapped ebook sites will be to rebuild them on different domains, and use a different payment processors that is built into the site.

      But we're guessing.......as to whether that will work. So at this point, I'd rather not waste time and energy on them. Maybe we just need to forget trying to rank on Goggle, for these sites, and look at other traffic driving methods like solo ads?

      I do appreciate all the advice and assistance from everyone. Many thanks.
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  • Profile picture of the author Vikram73
    I agree with Lucid's comments on AdWords.

    I do know Google AdWords does not like the thin, very long cheesy sales page that dominates ClickBank.

    You need to read through the webmaster guidelines and also check out the AdWords forums.

    If you create a content rich site, with a nice design (get rid of the long sales page) and follow the guidelines I think you'll be able to survive the AdWords slap.

    @ Dan Curtis - yes, you can convert eBooks on cold PPC traffic. Conversions that lead to profits. I sell eBooks through Bing PPC and make a profit on them. No reason why it can't be done on Google.
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  • Profile picture of the author dburk
    Originally Posted by biggenius View Post

    I finally came to a realization. adword doesn't like affiliating links or masked links.
    If you're a new marketing account it's even more difficult to get approved. Even if you get disapproved and change your ad they'll continue to target your ad for disapproval. Plus, their ambiguous ads department keeps you from getting things approved that may roll over huge profit.
    But, adword is greedy ( and careful ) and can pick and choose what they wish to allow to show on their advertising network.
    Hi bg,

    AdWords doesn't have any problem with affiliate links, as long as you are following all of their rules. It only seems like they do not like affiliates because so many people in affiliate marketing use scummy and deceptive practices that violate their advertising policies.

    I do agree that AdWords is trying to be "careful", as you said. Maybe it is those affiliate marketers that use dubious and deceptive methods that you should be calling the "greedy" ones.
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  • Profile picture of the author shimmer
    I was banned for life from Adwords, I asked why and I got a reply telling me I didn't have enough pages on my website (I had 20). They don't mention anything about number of pages in their Advertising policies. I wasn't given the chance to add more pages either. Google is a joke.
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  • Profile picture of the author guzie
    Wow...there is a wealth of GOOD information on this thread concerning adwords. Anyone who is considering starting an adwords campaign needs to read all of the above.

    Paulo
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