SEO On Same Ip-address

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I have an interesting question...

When you have for example a VPS with one ip-address and you have:

- A website on it with blackhat SEO techniques
- And also a website on it with a lot of quality content and whitehat SEO

Does Google punish the whitehat website then? Because you are the same owner for example or because the website are on the same ip...

Or does Google ONLY look at the quality of a particular website and not at the person behind it?

And what if you have 100 exact domain matching websites (to rank on 1 keyword) and 1 main website with a lot of great content. Does that also effect the main website badly in rankings?
#ipaddress #seo
  • Profile picture of the author TheProgrammer
    yes it'll affect the sites too that are using whitehat. that is why private blog networks use different class ips.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mister Ozzy
      Do you know some articles from people who tested this and got numbers and graphs about it?
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      • Profile picture of the author TheProgrammer
        Originally Posted by Mister Ozzy View Post

        Do you know some articles from people who tested this and got numbers and graphs about it?
        Search about BMR (Build my Rank) network here or read that official news.
        BuildMyRank.com – Link Building Service Featuring High Quality One-Way Backlinks » It’s Been a Great Run!!
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        • Profile picture of the author wolfmmiii
          Originally Posted by TheProgrammer View Post

          Search about BMR (Build my Rank) network here or read that official news.
          BuildMyRank.com - Link Building Service Featuring High Quality One-Way Backlinks » It's Been a Great Run!!

          This doesn't have anything to do with sharing IPs. This was about BMR selling links.
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          • Profile picture of the author TheProgrammer
            Originally Posted by wolfmmiii View Post

            This doesn't have anything to do with sharing IPs. This was about BMR selling links.
            they were not just selling links like "a href=", that was a blog network where people publish their articles. but google detect those blogs and de-indexed all of them, and also i am pretty much sure they were hosted minimum 2/3 blogs per ip. so how google got detected all of their blogs?

            Does it make any sense MattCutts was paid for BMR membership to de-index their sites?

            At the end google knows everything.
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            • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
              Originally Posted by TheProgrammer View Post

              they were not just selling links like "a href=", that was a blog network where people publish their articles. but google detect those blogs and de-indexed all of them, and also i am pretty much sure they were hosted minimum 2/3 blogs per ip. so how google got detected all of their blogs?

              Does it make any sense MattCutts was paid for BMR membership to de-index their sites?

              At the end google knows everything.
              I really hope nobody listens to you because you have no idea what you are talking about on this topic. Almost the entire internet is on shared IP addresses.

              You do not need IP addresses to track down a network. All you need is one site in a network like BMR's. From there, if you have half a brain, it is pretty simple.

              You find all the sites linked to from that one. Then you track down the backlinks of all those sites. Browse through them quick to find which ones are obvious blog network sites. Pull all the sites those sites link out to. Grab their backlinks. Rinse and repeat.

              Honestly, it would take a couple of people no more than a week to find 80-90% of a public blog network like BMR or any of the others.

              And by the way, I monitor other people's sites on my shared hosting plans. I have seen many sites get deindexed or disappear from the same IPs I am using. Never impacted my sites.
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    • Profile picture of the author wolfmmiii
      Originally Posted by TheProgrammer View Post

      yes it'll affect the sites too that are using whitehat. that is why private blog networks use different class ips.
      This just isn't true. Do you realize there are thousands upon thousands of shared plans that host black-hat, white-hat, etc all on the same IPs?

      Google isn't going to penalize good sites because bad sites have the same IP.

      I know this for a fact because I own several domains that have been flat-out deindexed by Google on the same hosting plan & IP as some of my best performing sites.
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  • Profile picture of the author wolfmmiii
    It was a network. It has nothing to do with IP sharing. You are confusing the two. As I mentioned earlier, I have several domains that have been completely de-indexed by Google for some serious black-hat stuff that share the same IP with some of my very best sites.

    Now, if you build a blog network on the same IP, then you are providing Google with a footprint to take down the whole network. However, that is not what the OP is referring to. That is something altogether different.
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    • Profile picture of the author TheProgrammer
      Originally Posted by wolfmmiii View Post

      It was a network. It has nothing to do with IP sharing. You are confusing the two. As I mentioned earlier, I have several domains that have been completely de-indexed by Google for some serious black-hat stuff that share the same IP with some of my very best sites.

      Now, if you build a blog network on the same IP, then you are providing Google with a footprint to take down the whole network. However, that is not what the OP is referring to. That is something altogether different.
      I don't know what you call as "Network". I have not seen any network in my life that are without IPs, thanks for your replies.

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  • Profile picture of the author wolfmmiii


    For the benefit of anyone who reads this thread moving forward:

    The BMR debacle, although possibly aided by the fact that they may have (not sure if they even did) used shared IPs, does not mean a good site will be penalized because a bad site shares the same IP.

    Shared hosting providers put thousands of unrelated websites on shared IPs all the time. Following the logic that a bad site can get a good site penalized would mean that Webmaster A could get Webmasters B though Z all penalized because they share IPs.

    Short Answer:

    No, a bad site cannot get a good site penalized simply because it shares the same IP. Now, if you go and start interlinking the bad sites and good sites, you can run into problems (ie. BMR).
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  • Profile picture of the author nerbie
    I have something to share about this. We all have different experience when it comes to ranking our keywords and here's mine. Simple and basic I would say. I have more than 50 domain names and 3 Ips scattered to 1 VPS, 1 dedicated and I reseller hosting. Did my sites got penalized ? No. Panda and penguin did not hit me that bad. I' m still there within top 5, #2 at the highest with some nice keywords. Here's a thing I don't build backlinks from other websites that are not mine except of course if they link to my sites and only hubpages. I know its unusually SEO technique but thats been my strategy since few years back. I'm lazy to do backlinking from other sites. Although my next batches of domain names I will be getting another vps just to spread it more. So far I'm seeing the good results without really thinking about future google algo updates.

    Before I forget it I have like 13 exact domain match within the same niche and same IP and I did a link wheel among those domain names and the last for two years all I can say Google PR is increasing and more and more related keywords ranks.
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  • Profile picture of the author wolfmmiii
    The primary difference between white-hat and black-hat is fairly easy to define:

    Black-hat: generally any method that is in opposition to Google's webmaster guidelines

    White-hat: strategies that typically follow Google's best practices and Webmaster Guidelines
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  • Profile picture of the author Mister Ozzy
    Those are some clear answers.

    But I got some more questions then:

    1) If this doesn't apply to ip-address, does it apply to a particular person? So, if you are the owner of a blackhat website and you are also a owner of a whitehat website. Does the blackhat website effect the whitehat website badly?

    2) If you own an ip-address were only your own websites are on it (for example a dedicated server) then a whitehat SEO website can be effected badly by blackhat website on the same ip right?

    3) I heard that the Google Penguin update looked at over-optimalization of exact domain keyword matching. If you are the owner of hundreds of exact domain keyword matching websites and you are also the owner of big quality content whitehat SEO website, does the exact domain keyword matching sites hurt your quality content whitehat SEO website? If so, how many is too many?

    I know there are not exact answer to these above questions but I want to know your opinion and your argumentation.
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    • Profile picture of the author wolfmmiii
      Originally Posted by Mister Ozzy View Post

      Those are some clear answers.

      But I got some more questions then:

      1) If this doesn't apply to ip-address, does it apply to a particular person? So, if you are the owner of a blackhat website and you are also a owner of a whitehat website. Does the blackhat website effect the whitehat website badly?

      2) If you have own an ip-address were only your own websites are on it (for example a dedicated server) then a whitehat SEO website can be effected badly by blackhat website on the same ip right?

      3) I heard that the Google Penguin update looked at over-optimalization of exact domain keyword matching. If you are the owner of hundreds of exact domain keyword matching websites and you are also the owner of big quality content whitehat SEO website, does the exact domain keyword matching sites hurt your quality content whitehat SEO website? If so, how many is too many?

      I know there are not exact answer to these above questions but I want to know your opinion and your argumentation.

      1. No

      2. No

      3. No
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