My website fell to 40th page, is it because it's over optimized?

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Hello, I hope this post won't be deleted but I understand if it does.

It's just I am frustrated with one of my adult projects and I need some advice on the on page SEO, if my site is over optimized or not.

My index page felt from 3rd place to page 40 and I can't seem to figure out why.

The url contains light adult stuff, so this is a warning: adultmaturecams.com

Ty very much
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  • Profile picture of the author Ettienne
    Some scary people you have on there! haha. Anyway, the problem is there's absolutely no content whatsoever. You can't expect to rank on page one with no content, Google's human visitors troll page 1 and if there are 40 pages worth of sites better than yours (probably with content) then they'll drop you.

    Best thing to do, is take your main keywords and do a Google search (without being logged into a google account), click on the top 3-4 results and look at the difference. What do they have that you don't?
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    • Profile picture of the author Headstart
      Google is scary good at content evaluation as ^^^ said... whether it's through manual review Im not really sure but they know exactly what's on the front page...
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      • Profile picture of the author zannix
        Pornhub, youporn, youjizz - all top porn domains on Google and yet none of them has any written content. I don't think that's the case.
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      • Profile picture of the author siblek31
        Originally Posted by kennyall View Post

        Google is scary good at content evaluation as ^^^ said... whether it's through manual review Im not really sure but they know exactly what's on the front page...
        Thanks for great analysis
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      • Profile picture of the author jessicagavin
        Google always discourage porn or nude websites. try out this it might helps you. Add some content of your related keyword. do its better on page seo than after of page seo. other wise of page seo is nothing without on page.
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      • Profile picture of the author usaimarketing
        There could be multiple reasons for this, over optimization is the most obvious one.
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    • Profile picture of the author sexyweb
      Ty for your answer very much. This is the problem, my main competitors have much less content, even under 100 words, others are total duplicate sites and they have density for their keywords more than even 20%. Take a look at "mature cams" and see. So i read and read and analyzed and I cannot figure it out. Why did I drop from 3rd place?
      This happened about 6 months back, dropped and regained after 2 months I believe. I am begining to think everything is random
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    • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
      Originally Posted by Ettienne View Post

      Anyway, the problem is there's absolutely no content whatsoever. You can't expect to rank on page one with no content

      You are completely wrong about this. Google the word "porn". That is one of the most competitive keywords you will find. Three of the top four sites have basically no content.

      You can find that throughout the porn industry.

      I would say the site is fairly new, in a competitive niche (although I'm not sure which keywords you are targeting, but in that industry almost all of them are competitive), and you are going to need a ton more links. I'm assuming "mature cams" is one of your keywords. Your number one competitor is hovering around 9.8 million links from almost 1800 domains.
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  • Profile picture of the author backlinkxone
    This might be occurred for over SEO'd of your website. Or, You might be still using Black-Hat-SEO techniques. If you are, then you need to know that Black-Hat-SEO is already DEAD by Google Penguin Updates. Only using White-Hat-SEO techniques can reach your website to the top and obviously, you contents must be very good.
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  • Profile picture of the author Manuel Aguirre
    Originally Posted by sexyweb View Post

    Hello, I hope this post won't be deleted but I understand if it does.

    It's just I am frustrated with one of my adult projects and I need some advice on the on page SEO, if my site is over optimized or not.

    My index page felt from 3rd place to page 40 and I can't seem to figure out why.

    The url contains light adult stuff, so this is a warning: adultmaturecams.com

    Ty very much
    When happen this problem??

    on 24/04/2012???
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  • Profile picture of the author crescendo
    Am also getting same problem with my keyword. some time my website on 30th page in google. after two hour it cm back on 14. I dont know why it happening with my keyword
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  • Profile picture of the author JSProjects
    How long was it at #3?

    Sites can bounce around all over the place for awhile before settling in.
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  • Profile picture of the author dbwebdesignz
    Content is King as it has always been

    Try adding some text even if it is at the bottom of the pages so it does not get read by the users as the search engines will pick up on this. I make sure i have at least 500 words on each page to get it ranked. I know some people have a minimum of 1000+

    Best of luck
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  • Profile picture of the author sovereignn
    I'm not going to click on your website

    But if you thinks it might be over optimization the best thing to do is remove the optimization and resbumit your website.... Maybe? I'm not sure how they feel about mature cam girls
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  • Profile picture of the author jasono
    It is possible that you are over-optimized your website. Check your keywords for keyword density - this is one of the biggest problems for your content.
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  • Profile picture of the author Orkhan Ibad
    Google also ranks MANY websites with no content at all very high, especially after Penguin update.

    Well, it is not only your on page, but your off page, too. Hard to say the exact reason, but look at to different factors like the anchor text variation, hidden text etc. and analyze it.
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  • Profile picture of the author moneymoguls
    Just keep adding content and you should start to rank for some long tail keywords first and then eventually main keywords. Content is King.
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  • Profile picture of the author moneymoguls
    Keep adding new content and you will rank for the long tail keyword phrases first. The more content you have the more traffic.
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  • Profile picture of the author dsbusiness23
    Currently my mentor actually has figured out much of Penguin. She is top ten for keywords with over 250,000 exact monthly searches. The big thing about this update is the synonyms. If you have many keywords like this on your website and are targeting about 30 in your niche you will do fine.

    Matt Laclear currently has a service that creates links for up to 25 keywords you can take advantage of if you want to fast track your success.

    The other major thing about Penguin is your backlink profile diversity. It is now an absolute requirement that you have keywords such as click here, homepage, visit us, check it out etc. Along with about 30% your main keyword.

    best of luck!
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  • Profile picture of the author dsbusiness23
    I have heard a lot of advice lately from people I trust very well that it is a good idea to disable Google Web Master Tools and Analytics. While I have not tried this yet. If you are planning on doing any heavy backlinking it is probably best to do this.

    On page content has a lot to do with whether your website will make any money and how long users will stay on your website. However as Google still just uses an algorithm I still think it is incapable of checking whether a site has "quality" content. Now manual review that is a whole other story.
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    • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
      Originally Posted by dsbusiness23 View Post

      I have heard a lot of advice lately from people I trust very well that it is a good idea to disable Google Web Master Tools and Analytics. While I have not tried this yet. If you are planning on doing any heavy backlinking it is probably best to do this.

      That is silly. The only additional information you are giving to Google by having Analytics is the bounce rate. Everything else, they know. If you are doing heavy backlinking, they know that, wheter you are using GA and WMT or not.

      The only advice I would give is to not use the same GA or WMT accounts for more than one website. If they decide they don't like something about one of your websites, they could decide to take action against all of your websites tied to the same account.
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      • Profile picture of the author Dinospider
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        Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

        That is silly. The only additional information you are giving to Google by having Analytics is the bounce rate. Everything else, they know. If you are doing heavy backlinking, they know that, wheter you are using GA and WMT or not.

        The only advice I would give is to not use the same GA or WMT accounts for more than one website. If they decide they don't like something about one of your websites, they could decide to take action against all of your websites tied to the same account.
        The thing is, i took off google analytics off 35 of my sites and all the sites serps increased without doing a single thing.

        I did this as a test due to someone else doing the same.

        I now use "get clicky" and my sites are ranking best i've ever had them. without extra backlinking.
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        • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
          Originally Posted by Seadragon View Post

          The thing is, i took off google analytics off 35 of my sites and all the sites serps increased without doing a single thing.

          I did this as a test due to someone else doing the same.

          I now use "get clicky" and my sites are ranking best i've ever had them. without extra backlinking.
          Were they all under the same account or did you have 35 separate Analytics accounts?
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        • Profile picture of the author dsbusiness23
          Originally Posted by Seadragon View Post

          The thing is, i took off google analytics off 35 of my sites and all the sites serps increased without doing a single thing.

          I did this as a test due to someone else doing the same.

          I now use "get clicky" and my sites are ranking best i've ever had them. without extra backlinking.
          I have heard of this happening as well before. Matt Laclear has on his sales page for the article drip service that it is highly recommended you disable GWT to maximize his services potential. He is not the only marketer I trust that I have heard warn against giving Google more information about your site than you need to.

          Personally I always felt like you would have a better chance of ranking by telling Google my site is valuable enough that I am not keeping it secret. However there are many opinions on this issue. I was simply stating for those who have lost substantial rankings it was worth a try.
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  • Profile picture of the author eurekapsycrille
    Try to target users directly. Since your website is lack of content, you can add some and target users who love that kinds of stuffs. Again, just allow the power of viral sharing to do its job.

    IMO, you should forget first how to get your site back in ranking for a while and set your mind on real users of search engines. Target them directly and let them spread your website throughout the internet.
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  • Profile picture of the author nonin
    add me on skype - I will take a look

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  • Profile picture of the author linkwheeler
    Ettienne is on the money - you need good quality content.
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  • Profile picture of the author onlinemegastore
    I don't know what Google want.I personally thing Google want to earn more money through ppc that's why he do this and demoralized seo specialist....
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  • Profile picture of the author rosesmark
    No, If you know that Google continues updated search result daily that why your keyword fell down. After one or two day your keyword come back on same position
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  • Profile picture of the author 4ndr1
    i think your site over optimized & get impact google update (penguin)
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  • Profile picture of the author seoforgoogle
    Google recently updated it's Penguin Algorithm. So it happened to many webmasters. Don't optimize your site with exact match anchor texts with your keywords. Try to put anchor texts like click here, visit site or simply putting URL.

    You can also check this about this update here. 5 Ways to Add Variation to Your Anchor Text |.
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  • Profile picture of the author Stuart william
    Check your webmaster accounts for more details if your website is affected with over optimization then definitely you got a message from Google but according to me you need to check content of your website as Ettienne told you to place some content because it’s too hard to get rank without content
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  • Profile picture of the author jewelraz
    After penguin update Legit websites are being slapped! and you have an adult site project. What more can I expect?
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    problem with wrrior forum?
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  • Profile picture of the author Dinospider
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    The thing is, yes your site has very little content, but those kind of sites aren't built for reading content. Therefore it could be a number of factors. I've found therecent google update to devalue bad links pointing to yours ite. It could be that your links are not valued enough by google.

    It could be that you've recently made some changes to the site, added new design etc.. you have to go back through the last steps you did for your site and try and figure out what changes you made or what backlinking you did, and then you'll find your problem.

    It could also just be a temporary change.
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  • Profile picture of the author NXmarketeer
    Google Penguin hit you probably.

    Its not over optimization, its probably unatural backlinks, start making some manual work on this field and hope that it will be back soon.
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