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Hi WF,

Did a search, couldn't find anything concrete.

I have an authority site built in 2010, PR3, about 1300 UV a day. On good days I'll get maybe 20 clicks on that site.

Here's the thing:

I'll check adsense throughout the day and the average CPC for that site will be (let's say) 0.20-0.30 and I'll have revenue of $4 or so. Then I'll check again I'll get 1 more click and the avg CPC will drop to 0.03 and my revenue will be updated to only 0.60. I'll check a couple hours later and the average CPC will have jumped back up to 0.20-0.30 and the revenue will be near $4-$5 again, and then it will jump back down, ending the day at a total revenue of (let's say) 0.60 with 20 or so clicks.

Anyone else experiencing this? About 65% of my visitors come from US/Canada with the rest spread throughout, Finland is #3 with about 10%.

I use three 300x250 image ads.

Any ideas? Thanks.
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  • Profile picture of the author MassivePassive
    Ah! It just happened to me again.
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  • Profile picture of the author ddwebx
    There's really nothing you can do about it.. This is happening because all advertisers choose how much they want to pay for a click, and that has a lot to do with where you traffic comes from.

    Before Google displays any ad on your website, it checks what your website is about and then it checks where the visitor is from and display the relevant ads available, in some cases there might not be relevant ads to that given country and therefore you will get non-relevant ads dropping your CTR and usually a lower CPC.

    I usually take a look at this when the traffic is coming in, so I know what forums and blogs I should focus on, why would I post on an Australian blog if I would get more revenue posting on one from the United States per say, now don't get me wrong, traffic is great doesn't matter where it comes from. But, would you post on 10 Australians forums to make the same you could posting on 5 Canadian forums per say?

    Make sure to use Quantcast to know where the traffic is from on the forums and blogs so you know where the money is.

    If your traffic is mostly coming in from the search engines, be patient and keep adding content as well as building more backlinks and sooner than later you will be ranking higher for all countries.

    Hope it helps you
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    • Profile picture of the author LAF Riot
      I think MassivePassive is describing something different here.

      I'm experiencing this too today. For starters, I have more clicks on my site than ever before, but as of now at 3:37PM Eastern Standard time am showing no earnings! In fact my earnings have been bouncing up and down throughout the day. Never seen this happen before - it seems as if there is some sort of problem with Adsense today.
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  • Profile picture of the author MassivePassive
    I've had this happening to my authority site for a few weeks now it seems like.

    I am at 9 clicks today with around 0.01 CPC as we speak, about an hour ago it was at around 0.20, had near $2 in revenue. This fluctuates throughout the day, some days I'll end with $4+ in revenue, some days I'll end around $0.60 in revenue.

    I should note that 80% of my traffic is recurring traffic, I have a very loyal user base. Only about 20% comes from SE.
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  • Profile picture of the author wadboram
    I have a friend got ZERO clicks fore more than 3 weeks with no apparent reason. All traffic and ad impressions factors have never changed on the same site. The site was getting around 80-120 clicks per month.
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  • Profile picture of the author MassivePassive
    Stats for today: 17 clicks, 0.02 CPC, 0.26 in revenue. Numbers don't even add up, the CPC is laughable. Can anyone shed some light?
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    • Profile picture of the author LAF Riot
      Yesterday was a joke with my Adsense impressions and earnings. I recorded 21 clicks and earned $.01. As an FYI, I only have one site monetized with Adsense, and it has never collected this many Adsense clicks before (my CTR is usually very low, like under 2% - today I'm already at 3 clicks and a massive $.05 in earnings). I have to think something screwy is going on with Adsense because it makes no sense.

      Yes, is there an Adsense expert out there who can shed some light on this kind of activity?
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  • Profile picture of the author dmtaylor247
    Originally Posted by MassivePassive View Post

    Stats for today: 17 clicks, 0.02 CPC, 0.26 in revenue. Numbers don't even add up, the CPC is laughable. Can anyone shed some light?
    Want niche are you in? some just don't convert very well. You can have a site with 10,000 uv's per day and they just won't click anything.. no matter how many ads you put under their noses and how relevant they are.

    Your seeing your cpc go up and down because Adsense are paying more for some visitors and not for others so they need to calculate the totals at the end of the day and the end of the month.

    They are most likley smart pricing your account and filter any low quality clicks from social networks like Twitter or keywords that don't perform historically, if they do, the price goes up and that's what you're seeing there.

    To improve your cpc and ctr look at your site, it's topic and your visitors. Are they looking for a product or information? Is their any products or services that relate to their query?

    If it's info they want then you can find ads with high cpc that compliment your content and are in high demand. Go to the G Adwords tool and pull all of the keywords relating to your sites content or topic, then copy and paste them into the estimate cpc module and check were the demand is..

    The go back to your site and write up some content relating to this topic, you will need to wait a few days before the Adsense bot crawls your site and displays better advertisers.

    Then use the Adsense preview tool for I.E, record all the urls from the spool and use a tool like sem rush or seo spyglass to see what they are paying for cpc.. filter out the low paying ads and block them using the settings in adsense..
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    • Profile picture of the author LAF Riot
      Originally Posted by dmtaylor247 View Post

      Want niche are you in? some just don't convert very well. You can have a site with 10,000 uv's per day and they just won't click anything.. no matter how many ads you put under their noses and how relevant they are.

      Your seeing your cpc go up and down because Adsense are paying more for some visitors and not for others so they need to calculate the totals at the end of the day and the end of the month.

      They are most likley smart pricing your account and filter any low quality clicks from social networks like Twitter or keywords that don't perform historically, if they do, the price goes up and that's what you're seeing there.

      To improve your cpc and ctr look at your site, it's topic and your visitors. Are they looking for a product or information? Is their any products or services that relate to their query?

      If it's info they want then you can find ads with high cpc that compliment your content and are in high demand. Go to the G Adwords tool and pull all of the keywords relating to your sites content or topic, then copy and paste them into the estimate cpc module and check were the demand is..

      The go back to your site and write up some content relating to this topic, you will need to wait a few days before the Adsense bot crawls your site and displays better advertisers.

      Then use the Adsense preview tool for I.E, record all the urls from the spool and use a tool like sem rush or seo spyglass to see what they are paying for cpc.. filter out the low paying ads and block them using the settings in adsense..

      The issue that MassivePassive and myself has seen is a fluctuation in earnings in the same day. Yesterday, I recorded earnings as high as $4.50 and as low as $.01 and then anywhere in between. And this fluctuation occured throughout the day.

      I just checked my analytics for yesterday and had an unusually high amount of direct traffic. I wonder if someone is "click-bombing" me (is that the right term; i.e. a competitor is trying to move me from my spot on the top of SERPS by clicking like crazy on my ads)
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      • Profile picture of the author dmtaylor247
        Originally Posted by LAF Riot View Post

        The issue that MassivePassive and myself has seen is a fluctuation in earnings in the same day. Yesterday, I recorded earnings as high as $4.50 and as low as $.01 and then anywhere in between. And this fluctuation occured throughout the day.

        I just checked my analytics for yesterday and had an unusually high amount of direct traffic. I wonder if someone is "click-bombing" me (is that the right term; i.e. a competitor is trying to move me from my spot on the top of SERPS by clicking like crazy on my ads)
        It's probably adsense updates and traffic trends, I have seen odd things before too in my account but they usually iron things out by the end of the day. Sometimes I have seen a website with $15 half way through the day and then I refresh the page and it's $5.. and then goes back to $25 at the end of the day.

        Monthly fluctuations are buyer intense traffic so adsense usually pay well for these types of buyer trends. You will also get alot of socially viral traffic from pictures and direct traffic and other means that won't pay as good.

        You could be getting click bombed too, it's not that they are trying to move you from serps, they are trying to ban your account. I would suggest adding Trace My IP | IP Address Tracker | IP Tracer Check | Computer People Search to your website and monitoring the I.P address' that come to your website, look at your analytics and see if anyone is locating your site through footprints and other identifiable information such as email addresses.

        If all that direct traffic is coming from the same I.P or I.Ps listed in the public domain like public proxies or even private anonymous proxies then you might have an issue.

        Also make sure to update your settings in your Adsense account to only show adds on your own websites. An easy way to ban accounts is by using twitter traffic so check for abnormal amounts of traffic coming from twitter or from adsense urls like googleadservices.com
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    • Profile picture of the author MassivePassive
      Originally Posted by dmtaylor247 View Post

      Want niche are you in? some just don't convert very well. You can have a site with 10,000 uv's per day and they just won't click anything.. no matter how many ads you put under their noses and how relevant they are.

      Your seeing your cpc go up and down because Adsense are paying more for some visitors and not for others so they need to calculate the totals at the end of the day and the end of the month.

      They are most likley smart pricing your account and filter any low quality clicks from social networks like Twitter or keywords that don't perform historically, if they do, the price goes up and that's what you're seeing there.

      To improve your cpc and ctr look at your site, it's topic and your visitors. Are they looking for a product or information? Is their any products or services that relate to their query?

      If it's info they want then you can find ads with high cpc that compliment your content and are in high demand. Go to the G Adwords tool and pull all of the keywords relating to your sites content or topic, then copy and paste them into the estimate cpc module and check were the demand is..

      The go back to your site and write up some content relating to this topic, you will need to wait a few days before the Adsense bot crawls your site and displays better advertisers.

      Then use the Adsense preview tool for I.E, record all the urls from the spool and use a tool like sem rush or seo spyglass to see what they are paying for cpc.. filter out the low paying ads and block them using the settings in adsense..
      Sports niche with some bodybuilding/fitness ads involved as well.

      I am at 9 clicks today, with ~0.30 CPC totaling ~$2.70. We'll see what the day ends with, if it goes according to the pattern of the past few days, the site will end with around 20 clicks today, fluctuating between 0.01 and 0.30 CPC, and I will have revenue between 0.50 and $5 - that's a huge difference.
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      • Profile picture of the author dmtaylor247
        Originally Posted by MassivePassive View Post

        Sports niche with some bodybuilding/fitness ads involved as well.

        I am at 9 clicks today, with ~0.30 CPC totaling ~$2.70. We'll see what the day ends with, if it goes according to the pattern of the past few days, the site will end with around 20 clicks today, fluctuating between 0.01 and 0.30 CPC, and I will have revenue between 0.50 and $5 - that's a huge difference.
        I'm pretty sure that this is just smart pricing. Google knows the value of the traffic and buyer intent, it's something you can't control unless you do what I said above - look at the demand in your niche, and build more content.

        These types of sites will do alot better just after Christmas as everyone is looking to get their fat asses back in the gym and sports seasons start etc.. also if your rankings are below par then you could get a big mixture of traffic, buyers and info seekers - it's like pot luck.

        All the good traffic will go through the top listings, they can't be bothered to search around when looking to buy something unless they are savvy consumers, so targeting more long tails with the advice above should be good for your site and bring more quality clicks, improve performance and stability.
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  • Profile picture of the author MassivePassive
    I'll look into smart pricing for sure.

    Here's the thing, I don't actually have written content. It's a popurls inspired site that aggregates RSS feeds from other sites. So all the ads are taken from the titles of posts from the blogs/sites I aggregate from.

    But all in all the ads I see do seem to be super targeted for the site.

    Anyway I'll look into smart pricing.
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  • Profile picture of the author marcolav
    I am having the very same issue. I have been observing this for over 4 days now, taken screenshots and noted the odd behavior.
    it may be a very wild guess BUT i think this is somewhat related to the Penguin screwup, err... update.
    IF, Penguin messed up the SERPs and filled them with irrelevant results, it is possible that the smart pricing analysis may have gove totally off as it can't properly determine site/page relevancy?
    Again, this has started happening in conjunction with Penguin, the first few days I noticed an overall drop of CPC and I thought that good old Goolge not only had slapped my rankings but also decided to punish me by paying me peanuts for the same ads that were returning 10x more just the week before.
    The the fluctuations started.
    Coincidence?
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    • Profile picture of the author dmtaylor247
      Originally Posted by marcolav View Post

      Coincidence?
      Probably not, Google are in the driving seat here...
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      • Profile picture of the author paulgl
        CTR, CPC, penguin, etc. have nothing to do with 99.99% of
        what is being said here.

        You people have no idea how adwords works, along with the
        display network, and google's ad servers.

        CTR, CPC can fluctuate from minute to minute. They
        are rather meaningless stats. Why? For the many
        reasons you state. Like another click can send it soaring
        or diving. eCPM is a meaningless stat as well, for the
        same reasons.

        Ads are placed via an auction, 80% or more of the time.
        The auction is not static. Never has been, never will
        be.

        Google itself tells you not to worry about CPC or CTR.

        The cost of a click is so dynamic, for most people, it
        will fluctuate wildly. And it should. That's why google
        is the leader in online ad revenue.

        These are reasons why people get frustrated and start
        doing dumb things with their adsense account.

        What's funny, is that people here are instructed to do
        just the opposite of what google says to do for as
        high a CPC as possible: Do both image and text ads.

        CPCs are determined by advertiser bids and are not directly under publisher control. To optimize their ad campaigns, advertisers often experiment with different keywords and ads, and also change the sites they choose to target based on past performance. Advertisers can choose to target specific sites by time of day, and may shift budgets based on their specific advertising goals. In addition, seasonality can affect bids - for instance, retail advertisers may increase their bids during specific times of the year when their sales tend to increase. We recommend learning how the ad auction works, and how these types of changes can impact your earnings.
        Since not all ads are priced the same, the ads your users choose to click will impact how much you earn. Using URL and custom channels, you can better understand which ad units your users are clicking on most frequently.
        You can always improve your CPCs by choosing ad formats that support all ad types: text, image, video, flash, and gadget ads. More competition means higher advertiser bids.
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        • Profile picture of the author dmtaylor247
          Originally Posted by paulgl View Post

          What's funny, is that people here are instructed to do
          just the opposite of what google says to do for as
          high a CPC as possible: Do both image and text ads.
          The main point I was making was to add more valuable content, this has to be the best way to feed Google's advertising system exactly what it wants. As mentioned in that quote, once advertisers start to see a sites performance and traffic raising they will target your site...

          Not only does it attract more advertisers as there are a broad range of keywords to target but it attracts more consumers too.. which fuels the fire.

          This is exact what Google wants publishers to do instead of fannying around with ad placement and building spammy backlinks. Simple keyword research and creating great content, but he can't do this with an aggregator website.

          Adsense won't pay you squat with no decent content, high ctr, cpc and performance is all about the content.
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        • Profile picture of the author marcolav
          Originally Posted by paulgl View Post

          CTR, CPC, penguin, etc. have nothing to do with 99.99% of
          what is being said here.

          You people have no idea how adwords works, along with the
          display network, and google's ad servers.

          Paul
          Thank you for shedding a light on this....
          Maybe we do have an idea and maybe you did NOT read all that is being said here?
          The issue here is same pages same content same ads suddenly generating a fraction of what they have been generating for YEARS.
          The issue here is your Adsense stats showing earnings (say) of $50 at 4PM and then closing the day at $20.
          Got it now, master?
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  • Profile picture of the author webdevpro
    I think this hugely depends on the niche too! Some 'programming' sites or 'image (wallpaper)' sites attract huge traffic, numerous clicks but still end up with few bucks. Also as you have lots of recurring visitors so Google may count many click from those to just one or few in a specific time frame (say per day).
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  • Profile picture of the author alfid
    I have had this same problem as you and it is very frustrating.
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    • Profile picture of the author MassivePassive
      I had 300x250 image only ads. Just changed it to text + image, so we'll see.
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  • Profile picture of the author MassivePassive
    First time in a week that my CPC held steady, sitting at around $0.43 with 5 clicks and $2 in revenue today for this site.

    The days I get 20+ clicks seem to be the days where CPC jumps from $0.40 one minute to $0.02 the next minute, back up again, back down again, so on and so forth.

    We'll see what happens.
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    • Profile picture of the author LAF Riot
      Originally Posted by MassivePassive View Post

      First time in a week that my CPC held steady, sitting at around $0.43 with 5 clicks and $2 in revenue today for this site.

      The days I get 20+ clicks seem to be the days where CPC jumps from $0.40 one minute to $0.02 the next minute, back up again, back down again, so on and so forth.

      We'll see what happens.
      I held steady yesterday as well with only 2 clicks for the day and earnings consistent with how my site performs.

      So for those couple days where I was receiving 20+ clicks as well the CPC performed the same way as you did. Analytics showed me that I had an unusually high amount of direct traffic to the site, and I am guessing that the direct traffic was doing the clicking and Google was determining it poor traffic, thus the low CPC.

      MassivePassive, check your analytics to see if you saw some unusual traffic sources on the days of high clicks and low CPC - there has to be a correlation there.
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      • Profile picture of the author MassivePassive
        Originally Posted by LAF Riot View Post

        I held steady yesterday as well with only 2 clicks for the day and earnings consistent with how my site performs.

        So for those couple days where I was receiving 20+ clicks as well the CPC performed the same way as you did. Analytics showed me that I had an unusually high amount of direct traffic to the site, and I am guessing that the direct traffic was doing the clicking and Google was determining it poor traffic, thus the low CPC.

        MassivePassive, check your analytics to see if you saw some unusual traffic sources on the days of high clicks and low CPC - there has to be a correlation there.
        Not for me, I have a niche site (niche market, not a MNS adsense site) that has a very devoted userbase. My visitors are 80% direct, yesterday was actually 83%.

        I am based out of NYC also, but I doubt that has anything to do with it lol.
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  • Profile picture of the author itmoamun
    In thailand very low CPC, thai keyword $0.01 most.
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  • Profile picture of the author todawg_not
    There are alot of factors that determine you cpc but here's one.

    If your site has poor quality, i.e has a sucky CTR then advertisers don't have to pay premium because your traffic is not converting or leading to a result.

    It's called Adsense Smart Pricing and it's Googles way of protecting it's advertisers

    check out this post it explains what smart pricing is
    About smart pricing - AdSense Help
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  • Profile picture of the author mrgood
    MassivePassive, did you disabled interest based ads in adsense interface? If you didn't, do so.
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    • Profile picture of the author MassivePassive
      Originally Posted by mrgood View Post

      MassivePassive, did you disabled interest based ads in adsense interface? If you didn't, do so.
      Interesting. I look into it and disabled both, will be experimenting.

      I always thought it was beneficial to leave them on. That way, if a person is searching for car parts on google and then checks my site because he is a frequent user, he might click on an automative ad on my non-related site.

      However, I can definitely see how this would lower CTR.
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      • Profile picture of the author MassivePassive
        It was looking good...had a few $ in revenue today from only 4-5 clicks. Then the CPC dropped in half, and JUST dropped in half AGAIN. Now I'm sitting at $0.69 in revenue when it was just 7-8x that.

        Anyone else?
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  • Profile picture of the author mrgood
    You shouldn't disable third party ads. Since it raise up a competiton among the ads and raise your CPC.
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  • Profile picture of the author MassivePassive
    Well, just to update.

    Earlier today: 4-5 clicks at around $0.60-$0.80 CPC - totaling $3+
    About an hour ago: The same 4-5 clicks at around $0.20 CPC - totaling $2+
    Now: The same 4-5 clicks at $0.02 CPC - totaling $0.07

    So I began the day with $3 in revenue, and now in the afternoon I am at $0.07

    Nothing else has changed, the CPC drops on its own, it goes up and down during one 24 hour period and I either have revenues in the $ dollars or $0.01 - $0.10 range.

    Keep in mind, this is only happening for ONE of my sites. The others have 2 clicks at most and don't ever see a fluctuation in CPC.
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    • Profile picture of the author Brigitte Mehr
      I have noticed that not only have my earnings being falling over the day but I have also had 2 or 3 days with plenty of clicks and zero earnings??

      Anyone any idea at all what is happening right now on adsense?
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  • Profile picture of the author mocniyoda
    I am surely no expert on this matter, but I think that CPC fluctuates based on from where are your clicks coming from. I also have a site that I'm monetizing with AdSense and most of my visitors come from UK, and when someone from UK clicks on my AdSense ad, my CPC gets higher. Why? It's because advertisers will pay more for these type of countries (English speaking, IMO), and you can see for yourself in the AdSense control panel how much you have earned from each country. For me, the best CPC is for the English speaking countries, UK, Canada and USA. Now add all the other counties, and it makes perfect sense for me that CPC is going to go up and down. Not every country will have the same CPC, if 10 UK folks click on an ad, CPC will get higher, and afterwords if 10 people from Denmark click on ads, your CPC is going to get lower.
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  • Profile picture of the author MassivePassive
    Update.

    After another day of 19 clicks at avg 0.04 CPC I decided to investigate.

    2 clicks for "rich media" ads at 0.23 CPC
    7 clicks for "image" ads at 0.02 CPC
    4 clicks for "text" ads at 0.04 CPC
    3 clicks for "animated image" ads at 0.00 CPC
    3 clicks for "flash" ads at 0.00 CPC

    Can anyone shed some light on why there are 6 clicks for 0.00 CPC?

    Thanks.
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  • Profile picture of the author MassivePassive
    LAF Riot? Have you been noticing flash/animated ads with 0.00 CPC? You can check in your adsense account.
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  • Profile picture of the author seoace
    1. Check with Google keyword tool on the Competition on your keyword. If its Low, then that is why your CPC is low.

    2. Check Spyfu for your keyword. It will show the CPC. If it doesn't means very minimal advertisers are advertising for your keyword.

    3. Switch all your ads to Text ads. They usually have a higher CPC.

    4. Location. A click from US will be much higher than a click from India.
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