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Our company is ruined by anti-SEO Help..

by evangnsc Banned
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I represent “The Natural Sapphire Company” New York. We are selling natural sapphire, Natural Sapphire engagement rings, blue sapphires,…reputation is core to our business.
Off late few of our ex-employees who were fired by us have established a rip off web site [deleted]
This web site is ruining our reputation. These ex-employees are SEO experts and somehow they managed to enhance the ranking of [deleted] [deleted] for most of our Top keywords like “The Natural Sapphire Company” “sapphire engagement rings”
They have also started back linking blogs like [deleted] and
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Facebook page: [deleted]
Google + account: [deleted]
We are going out of business ; What are our options???
#antiseo #company #ruined
  • Profile picture of the author seoSerge
    If you official company you can write abuse to domain registrar, or hosting provider. If they use you registered trademark just sue them. But if the domain registred some were in asia or eastern europe and hosting provider as well there is nothing you can do with that.
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  • Profile picture of the author johnes4th
    It doesn't sound like you are a victim of anti-SEO, it's just that they are better at SEO than you are...

    They make a lot fact-based claims against your company on their website. If any of those facts are inaccurate, you can sue them. If not.... well then I don't know what to tell you... start a helluva reputation management campaign.
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  • Profile picture of the author azmanar
    Hi,

    Try getting a lawyer to fix the false claims against your company and get him to bring down those sites.

    At the same time, do an online branding campaign to rebuild your image.
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    • Profile picture of the author evangnsc
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      Originally Posted by azmanar View Post

      Hi,

      Try getting a lawyer to fix the false claims against your company and get him to bring down those sites.

      At the same time, do an online branding campaign to rebuild your image.
      How long would it take before we get a court order? are there any instances or court cases similar?
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      • Profile picture of the author azmanar
        Originally Posted by evangnsc View Post

        How long would it take before we get a court order? are there any instances or court cases similar?
        Hi Evan,

        I'm not a lawyer and it would also be very bad of me to assume anything.

        The best thing is to talk to this attorney directly : KINDSVATER
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  • Profile picture of the author evangnsc
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    Few additional facts so members may help us

    1) We have already filed a defamation suit in New York District Court but these guys have defended their stand before the court that everything they have claimed is factual and they have evidence. The court civil proceedings are progressing at slow pace by that time we will be out of business

    2) We have reported the matter to their hosting providers who have refused to take down the material on the basis of “Freedom of expression” . Host providers are ready to take it down if we get court subpoena.

    Being the part of our company for 2 years these guys are aware of our internal working and trade secretes which they are making public

    2) Our trademark registration for “The Natural sapphire Company” got rejected by US trademark office

    3) The campaign waged against us is highly systematic and well planned they have even made videos

    plus.google.com/113566895405250626510/videos

    4) They are demanding $100,000 as compensation for been suddenly sacked. For which they have issued us a legal notice. This is extortion?
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    • Profile picture of the author Will Edwards
      Originally Posted by evangnsc View Post

      Being the part of our company for 2 years these guys are aware of our internal working and trade secretes which they are making public
      If you want to get something done quickly, the above is your best means of attack especially if they signed something that legally bound them to keep company trade secrets confidential.

      If you can prove that they did and are in breach of that agreement, the hosting provider that refused to take the site down may well now reconsider.

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  • Profile picture of the author evangnsc
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    Originally Posted by Alyona The Publicist View Post

    If you fired these people for no apparent reason (other than short-term profits as you are implying) then it serves you right

    on the other hand.... perhaps you can re-employ them back with your company and they can do some good SEO for your own site!!!!

    that would be a win-win situation for both!!
    Firing them is totally different issue and should not be connected here. Any other suggestion thanks?
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  • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
    Originally Posted by Alyona The Publicist View Post

    If you fired these people for no apparent reason (other than short-term profits as you are implying) then it serves you right
    Where does the OP imply that in the below text? Bold it for me Alyona, so I can see the point you're trying to make...

    I represent “The Natural Sapphire Company” New York. We are selling natural sapphire, Natural Sapphire engagement rings, blue sapphires,…reputation is core to our business.
    Off late few of our ex-employees who were fired by us have established a rip off web site naturalsapphirecompany.net
    This web site is ruining our reputation. These ex-employees are SEO experts and somehow they managed to enhance the ranking of naturalsapphirecompany.net for most of our Top keywords like
    They just said they "fired" them. Why are you drawing conclusions as to a reason when you have just the one word "fired" to go by? The OP hasn't implied anything at all. You have just said they fired them unfairly and that the OP was implying that.

    Why did you think that? How do you know he didn't have good reason to fire them? Enlighten me.

    on the other hand.... perhaps you can re-employ them back with your company and they can do some good SEO for your own site!!!!
    Great advice. I'd invite a burglar to rent a room too, he could do some lovely security work round my house.
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  • Profile picture of the author azmanar
    Hi Alyona,

    The word FIRED triggered you. You jumped to conclusion too quickly and gave him a tight smack. Did he deserve it without knowing more facts?

    He only needed a point to the right direction, whatever the background is.

    I have had my fair share of good employees and bad employees. So I know what it is like.
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  • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
    Originally Posted by Alyona The Publicist View Post

    @richard van - all i will say is that you are taking this story way (in bold) too seriously!!! LOL
    I can only shudder to think of the reaction coming out you had someone had the audacity to accuse you of something or even merely disagree with you...wait a minute.....

    You really do make stuff up as you go along Alyona.

    Doesn't change anything, you still made up a load of nonsense from just the one word.

    Anyway, lets get back on topic....
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  • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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    Originally Posted by Alyona The Publicist View Post

    @richard van - all i will say is that you are taking this story way (in bold) too seriously!!! LOL
    Please excuse my asking, but if you can't take a thread seriously when someone starts it off using in the OP the words "We are going out of business. What are our options???", when can you?!
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  • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
    Originally Posted by Alyona The Publicist View Post

    @richard van & azmanar- I would have never used the word 'fired'. It is really a derogatory word in my mind.
    Ah, there's the problem. You've decided it's a derogatory word when in fact it isn't. You let your personal feelings for a word get in the way. You need to remedy that Alyona, that way you wont accuse people unfairly.

    Can you explain how a derogatory word led you to think that the OP fired them for short term profits? Where did that come from?

    I have only 4 employees (2 full time and 2 part time) and i have had to let go one once, I assure you it was not a nice experience.
    He has had to do that, he said so in the post you responded to.

    I believe that when you have employees depending on you, you have lots of responsibility and to go around saying 'I fired that employee' or 'i will fire you' or something like that is really unprofessional and makes you appear like you are some heartless employer. There is probably not a nice aura in that company.
    Breathtaking nonsense Alyona. Are you the only person on this Earth that hears someone's been fired and simply can't even believe for a second the employee may have had something to do with it?

    I'm in business Alyona, if someone does something to harm my business and they do it more than once, I fire them. That's not heartless, it's business.

    There's also a huge difference between an OP coming here and saying they "fired" some employees (which is what he said) and your example of people going round saying "I will fire you", the OP never said that did he?

    There is probably not a nice aura in that company
    All this from the word "fired"? :rolleyes:

    Originally Posted by Alyona The Publicist View Post

    I have read stories like this one over and over again everywhere on the internet just take a look at:

    HackerStreet.India | I represent TransPacific Software ; Just today we had a look at this thread . F...


    Ex-employee ruining our reputation through posts on consumer complaint sites - Page 3

    once again... wake up and smell the coffee
    Oh I see, so you associate the word fired with some totally unrelated stories you read on the binternets.

    I'm surprised reading this crap you know what coffee is.

    Anyway, another one of your classics. To think, you only had to say fair point, maybe I took too much out of one word but instead, in your usual style, you'll go on arguing until the cows come home.

    Nice to see you react so badly when someone rightly or wrongly accuses you of something but when it's the other way round....pot/kettle/black.

    By the way, I don't care if the OP is telling the truth or not, that's not the issue, your reaction to the one word is what I'm talking about.
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    Originally Posted by Deepikarajpal View Post

    You can't do anything that can stop them as there is no law that can stop anyone to do for their living but you can beat them by Hiring Best SEO Company who can manage your online reputation better than them.

    and I suppose you the one to hire

    There seems to be some serious accusing of this company going on this website of the fired personnel. If you make as much money and loosing as you claim 100K for them to give the website to you and move on will be a good option. But if those claims are true they making then I suggest you cleanup your company as if you don't then you deserve what is happening to you
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  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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    Did they actually rip off your site? If so, you can send a DMCA to their host. If not, they are competition and apparently pretty good at SEO, so the only option you have is to be better than them at SEO and have a better offer. It's not illegal to compete.
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  • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
    Originally Posted by Alyona The Publicist View Post


    @richard van -

    didn't you notice that in all the Search engine results for the keywords being targeted by what he calls 'his company' all of the search engine results show a better result for his company and the 'competition' is only trailing behind... contrary to what he is saying!!!!
    What has this ^, got to do with this...

    If you fired these people for no apparent reason (other than short-term profits as you are implying) then it serves you right
    How does looking at the rankings show that when the OP said "fired" he actually meant what you wrote.

    Exactly, it doesn't.

    You can twist and turn all you like, you accused the OP of firing his ex employees for short term profits, without even a shred, not even a shred, of evidence.

    Like I said, I don't care about the OP and yes I am still going on about that word because when someone gets all uppety like you do when someone accuses you of anything and you start demanding they apologise, it's nice the forum can see how you don't apologies when you get shown up to be wrongly accusing people.

    So, no I couldn't care less if the OP's having a joke, or if he's a scam, that's not what I've been on about.

    Anyway, as always you've wasted enough of my time.

    Have a really lovely day Alyona.
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  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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    Originally Posted by Alyona The Publicist View Post

    @richard van & azmanar- I would have never used the word 'fired'. It is really a derogatory word in my mind. I have only 4 employees (2 full time and 2 part time) and i have had to let go one once, I assure you it was not a nice experience. I believe that when you have employees depending on you, you have lots of responsibility and to go around saying 'I fired that employee' or 'i will fire you' or something like that is really unprofessional and makes you appear like you are some heartless employer. There is probably not a nice aura in that company.
    Alyona: Ok ... so you say ... come here little darlings. I'm going to let you go.
    Sh*t Canned Employee: Where are we going Mommy?
    Alyona: Go where ever you want to little darlings. I'm just letting you go, and here's an ice cream sandwich to nourish you on your journey.
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    • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
      Originally Posted by Alyona The Publicist View Post

      @richard van - you keep insisting on one word I said and you keep insisting I didn't understand the situation, when in reality I am the only one here who read right through this 'scam' and you don't acknowledge your error...
      Wrong, as always. I wasn't in this thread to look at the OP or a scam, I was here to laugh at your version of a word. You are very good at "attempting" to wriggle free.

      How do you know I didn't report it? How do you know I didn't think this was a scam? You are soooo funny.

      don't take this personally... acknowledge that you didn't notice it and move along.... develop a thicker skin... there is no need to keep arguing with me, just acknowledge that the op took advantage of this forum because he wanted to promote those sites (using a good background story)
      No, because that's another story altogether and if you look at all my responses, the only time I referred to the OP was in reference to your ridiculous reasoning as to what the word fired meant.

      Either way, if it's a scam and you knew it was, I hope you reported it and better still, don't quote spammers when you respond to them.

      As for your silly response to Suzanne, it's not that people argue with you everytime. Oh no. Where was I when Les called you Ian? Not even in the thread - I sure as hell watched it though.

      I commented today because what you said was wrong. We're still arguing because you are still trying to argue what was silly point at the start.

      regarding the word 'fired' - Yes I find it deragotary and feel that someone who has the responsibility over other employees (and perhaps their families) should not go around stating "I fired that employee" or "i am about to fire someone else"
      This was my whole point. You let your definition of a word cloud your response. To you an employee is something you are responsible for (along with their family even!). To you they can do no wrong. Incidentally if you had to sack/fire/get rid of an employee, what would you call it? Letting the balloon go? Watch the fairy fly? Free the little birdie?

      What do you call it? Surely you've got a suggestion for the OP?
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      • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
        Originally Posted by Alyona The Publicist View Post


        I have already explained that it is my personal opinion that someone who is stating that 'firing' someone is like everyday normal business must definetely had never employed anyone in his life.
        More baseless generalised assumptions. Wrong as well.
        I assure you that letting go someone from your company is painful both for the employer and employee himself. If an employer says that such an experience is not painful then he is definetely a heartless person
        So you say, in a sort of aloof way as though you're the only person that could possibly have employee's here. As for whether you think I'm heartless or not is totally irrelevant to me.

        I really didn't expect to see so much gullible persons on this thread and the fact is that most of them kept on insisting and saying that the op's version of events might be thrutful!!!!!
        I didn't comment on the OP, I commented on you.

        You are one funny person, I'll give you that much.
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    • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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      Originally Posted by Alyona The Publicist View Post

      @sbucciarel = unfortunately i have to place you in the same level as richard van - you argue with me about something i said and fail to acknowledge that you were taken for a ride by the op!!!
      I'm sorry. You've obviously mistaken me for someone who gives a da*n what level you put me in, considering the ridiculous posts that you litter this forum with. :p
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  • Profile picture of the author evangnsc
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    When buying sapphires or expensive jewelry over the net users generally finalize on jewelry and then search for keywords like “Natural sapphire Company complaints” Natural sapphire company reputation” or natural sapphire company review” these are the keywords which are critical for us. These are the targeted words. For all these we are doing very badly. What I am requesting is suggestion on can we do something apart from counter SEO ? We have already hired reputation management firms and failed. We are facing regular cancellation of orders due to this negative publicity . Many people have advised us to settle with these guys and not worth confronting them. These guys worked for almost 2 years on SEO and one of them was part of Google team about 5 years back.

    So is there any other way?
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    • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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      Originally Posted by evangnsc View Post

      When buying sapphires or expensive jewelry over the net users generally finalize on jewelry and then search for keywords like "Natural sapphire Company complaints" Natural sapphire company reputation" or natural sapphire company review" these are the keywords which are critical for us. These are the targeted words. For all these we are doing very badly. What I am requesting is suggestion on can we do something apart from counter SEO ? We have already hired reputation management firms and failed. We are facing regular cancellation of orders due to this negative publicity . Many people have advised us to settle with these guys and not worth confronting them. These guys worked for almost 2 years on SEO and one of them was part of Google team about 5 years back.

      So is there any other way?
      You've already got a lawyer and filed a defamation case. You've hired reputation management firm. If they can't do anything for you, I doubt that we could either. Other than beating them in court, fixing reputation problems and out SEO'ing them, what's left?
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    • Profile picture of the author azmanar
      Originally Posted by evangnsc View Post

      So is there any other way?
      Hi Evan,

      Firstly, you need to speak to the atorney, KINDSVATERS, and be honest with him. The main purposes are to put down those damaging sites AND stop the vindictive ex-employees from carrying on further damages.

      With the additional info you just gave, I have the assumption that most of your online clients came from Google. Am I correct?

      Then you need to do a campaign that do not rely on Google. There are more channels of marketing and branding out there. The more you are seen in the market, the more authority you have. Those rip-off reports will be buried underneath.

      I recommend you speak to some IM / SEO strategists here.
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  • Profile picture of the author azmanar
    Hi Alyona,

    Originally Posted by Alyona The Publicist View Post

    I would have never used the word 'fired'. It is really a derogatory word in my mind.
    I understand. He could use the word "terminated" but it is colloquial and acceptable to use "fired". You took it very intensely.

    Originally Posted by Alyona The Publicist View Post

    There is probably not a nice aura in that company.
    This is a "creative" assumption.

    Originally Posted by Alyona The Publicist View Post

    How come all these investigators on this thread and no one is noticing what is happening here?!!!!!!! HELLO!!! smell the coffee!!!
    Whether or not someone leads the other in SERPS is not the issue and is not contradictory to the problem.

    The main issue really is, WHEN there are "seriously damaging" links popping up back-to-back with the company's SERPS. That is good enough reason to be concerned and take action.

    I don't know enough English to articulate myself in debates or arguments. So, I''ll stop right here before I say something embarrassing.
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  • Profile picture of the author Eddie Spangler
    This is a killer drama thread. One person is running an seo fakeout thread but no one seems to be getting it and keeps responding trying to be helpful as if it were a real issue.

    The only person that gets it is getting pounded because of her strong reaction to the word fired.
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    • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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      Originally Posted by Eddie Spangler View Post

      This is a killer drama thread. One person is running an seo fakeout thread but no one seems to be getting it and keeps responding trying to be helpful as if it were a real issue.

      The only person that gets it is getting pounded because of her strong reaction to the word fired.
      I fail to see how posting a site that calls their company a ripoff is SEO fakeout. Please explain your accusations in detail. If it were my company, I wouldn't be advertising that link, but I certainly would be pursuing it in court and maybe even asking advice here on what else could be done.
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      • Profile picture of the author Eddie Spangler
        Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

        I fail to see how posting a site that calls their company a ripoff is SEO fakeout. Please explain your accusations in detail. If it were my company, I wouldn't be advertising that link, but I certainly would be pursuing it in court and maybe even asking advice here on what else could be done.

        Im kinda shocked that someone who is so intune with things that are not right cant see right through this.

        Let me help you, pretend that you are the mad fired employee and knew how to do seo, what are some things that you would do?

        LEts go a step further. Pretend you really are the "victim" and read each post from the victim carefully. Would the victim really word sentences and state things in that way.

        How can anyone read those posts made by the op and think that is the person who owns a store under an seo attack?
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        • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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          Originally Posted by Eddie Spangler View Post

          Im kinda shocked that someone who is so intune with things that are not right cant see right through this.

          Let me help you, pretend that you are the mad fired employee and knew how to do seo, what are some things that you would do?

          LEts go a step further. Pretend you really are the "victim" and read each post from the victim carefully. Would the victim really word sentences and state things in that way.

          How can anyone read those posts made by the op and think that is the person who owns a store under and seo attack?
          Personally, I don't know and when I don't know, I don't accuse. Maybe I'm wrong, maybe not, but without knowing for certain, I have no opinion on the OP's motives. There are plenty of shills and other dubious threads I catch, so I won't sweat it if I missed something here.
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        • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
          Originally Posted by Eddie Spangler View Post

          Im kinda shocked that someone who is so intune with things that are not right cant see right through this.

          Let me help you, pretend that you are the mad fired employee and knew how to do seo, what are some things that you would do?

          LEts go a step further. Pretend you really are the "victim" and read each post from the victim carefully. Would the victim really word sentences and state things in that way.

          How can anyone read those posts made by the op and think that is the person who owns a store under an seo attack?
          What I do find odd is that this thread has been moved by someone to the SEO section. As you and Alyona are so vocally saying it's a scam, I'm surprised the thread wasn't deleted.
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          • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
            Alyona,
            regarding the word 'fired'
            How do you feel about the word 'banned?'

            Folks, just ignore this person. She seems incapable of carrying on a civil discussion, and calling her on the nonsense just inflames her ego and pushes her into overdrive. You all end up sounding as scattered as she does.

            Not to mention that it just ends up with her becoming the focus of the thread, rather than the question that started it. That is not an acceptable outcome in a discussion of this type. If she is right about this being what Eddie calls an "SEO fakeout," it's more likely to get clearly outed if we leave the 6th grade drama for somewhere else.


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              Can people really not see the obvious?

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      • Profile picture of the author Kay King
        There's a lot more to the story - of course.

        The company is "New York" and is a company that's been in business for 2-3 generations.

        But - the company site is registered in India - there are claims of non-payment to site developer that go back years. There are source code arguments and all sorts of stuff.

        The company being attacked has put a pdf online meant to look like a legal US lawsuit - but it isn't a legal doc. The complaints filed legally are in India, not in the U.S.

        It is not something that can be solved on a marketing forum - or where legal advice from a forum should be offered or taken.

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        • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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          Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

          There's a lot more to the story - of course.

          The company is "New York" and is a company that's been in business for 2-3 generations.

          But - the company site is registered in India - there are claims of non-payment to site developer that go back years. There are source code arguments and all sorts of stuff.

          The company being attacked has put a pdf online meant to look like a legal US lawsuit - but it isn't a legal doc. The complaints filed legally are in India, not in the U.S.

          It is not something that can be solved on a marketing forum - or where legal advice from a forum should be offered or taken.

          kay
          ^^^^^
          There you go. That's what I mean by specifics.

          Edit: I did not see an India registrant for the New York company and I did indeed find tons of material that appears to be ex-employee related ... a virtual war on the company. The ex-outsourcers who are behind the complaints are from India.

          There's really no advice that a marketing forum (as Kay has said) could provide you with the kind of advice you would need. Only an attorney can assist with this.
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  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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    Originally Posted by Alyona The Publicist View Post

    @azmanar - suggest you don't take the op seriously, next thing you know is that you will get a pm or email from him asking you to become his business partner by depositing money in some shady account or to send money via western union

    I hope people don't fall for that!!!
    Ok Allen ... ooops I mean Alyona. You've called people scammers before without foundation, so go ahead ... now that you've called the OP a scammer, please lay out all of your evidence right here for the mods to see that you are not just mindlessly bashing someone as you've done before.
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    • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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      Originally Posted by Alyona The Publicist View Post

      I have never ever called anyone a scammer before.... the situation was completely different.

      so sbucciarel... tell me... do you believe what the OP is saying?
      I've reported the thread since so many scam accusations are floating around. I think a mod will be better suited to deal with it.
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  • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
    Alyona is there a single thread you have ever posted in where you do not just argue with everyone and degrade anyone who does not share your point of view?
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  • Profile picture of the author mosthost
    What a goofy thread. Someone should delete this for sheer ridiculousness.
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    WOW! Crazy thread...
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    This is defiantly a case for Judge Judy, M-F 4:00 p.m. EST on CBS!
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Don't have much time this morning but a number of things in the OP are strange

      Your business is ruined because of SEO of another site so SEO was always important to your business but you fired a good chunk of the people who knew SEO? Thats smart

      Second I checked a few (not all) of the keywords you are Complaining about and you generally outrank them for the terms. Seems to me if you are not getting traffic then its more on you than them

      Third - you had issues long ago. One of the complaint keywords has ripoffreport ranking higher and their are complaints in there from last year. Plus the number one result for one of the complaint keywords is a forum and you have a very spotty reputation on it with several people complaining as far back as 2009

      SO no it wasn't negative SEO that brought you down and you had issues of reputation long ago.
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  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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    Originally Posted by Alyona The Publicist View Post

    Sure - just because this thread wasn't deleted then it is proof that you are right and the OP is a legitimate business sapphire (or diamonds perhaps?) dealer!!!! - also Santa Claus exists don't believe anyone who tells you otherwise LOL



    do you really think that by posting that and keep insisting on your point, people are not going to believe that you fell for what the OP was evidently trying to pull.

    also sbucciarel - Santa Claus exists don't believe anyone who tells you otherwise LOL

    Anyone with a year experience on the internet (not as an internet marketer, just on the internet) should have read right through the OP's main thread!!!

    @the mods -
    I really suggest to the mods here to check any sent messages from the OP's private messages, I bet that he is already trying to lure someone to send him money via western union!! I wouldn't want any gullible persons on this forum to fall prey to such tactics. If you had asked me this morning if people would fall prey to such an obvoius ploy I would have answered with a definitive "NO" but this afternoon i changed my mind completely and am absolutely amazed at how certain people react even to the most obvious of such ploys as this one!!!
    There you go again ... more unfounded accusations. Alyona, don't reply to my posts if they bother you. Kay was the only one to come up with any facts about this post and I've investigated Google complaints and this appears to be a company that has a BIG reputation problem whether deserved or not and they do indeed have a big ex-employee dispute on their hands and those ex-employees have populated Google with the same stuff on many different sites.

    Obviously, you don't have any intelligent input, but who's surprised by that?

    Oh .. and I don't need you to tell me that Santa Claus exists. Who doesn't know that?
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    • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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      Originally Posted by Alyona The Publicist View Post

      you are the one thinking that the OP posting on this forum is an employee of this particular company?!! Really?!! and i don't have anything intelligent to say!!

      oh my ... I have to ask you to stop... because you are single handedly ruining your reputation. People know that what i am arguing about is the reality, unfortunately you are just arguing to divert attention from your blunder and think that you are appearing informed?!!!

      come on!!!

      I have already explained how these scams work.... when will you admit that this is such? when you (or someone else) falls prey to the OP?!

      I am quite sure he has by now asked a couple of people to JV with him and to send him money with the promise of making millions in a month or two (and of course he would run with the money) ...if he didn't it's only because i posted here showing that at least there is intelligent life somewhere around here!! (since you brought up the argument of intelligence!!)

      I bet you have an astronomical IQ... how old are you?
      Continue with your unfounded accusations. When you don't have any facts to present to with your "gut" feelings .. eh? Like you did before.

      You see Alyona ... or is it Allen? Where are the victims of this scammer OP? Surely they would be piping in by now, wouldn't they?

      But we'll give you another shot at presenting your hard evidence of a scam in this thread.

      ..... go ahead


      ... we're waiting
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    • Profile picture of the author evangnsc
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      Originally Posted by Alyona The Publicist View Post

      great... at least someone is taking it lightly!!! - well done


      I don't have any intelligent input?

      you are the one thinking that the OP posting on this forum is an employee of this particular company?!! Really?!! and i don't have anything intelligent to say!!

      oh my ... I have to ask you to stop... because you are single handedly ruining your reputation. People know that what i am arguing about is the reality, unfortunately you are just arguing to divert attention from your blunder and think that you are appearing informed?!!!

      come on!!!

      I have already explained how these scams work.... when will you admit that this is such? hopefully before you (or someone else) falls prey to the OP?!

      I am quite sure he has by now asked a couple of people to JV with him and to send him money with the promise of making millions in a month or two (and of course he would run with the money) ...if he didn't it's only because i posted here showing that at least there is intelligent life somewhere around here!! (since you brought up the argument of intelligence!!)
      .What on earth?? JV, western Union? This is crazy…. If anyone doubts my identity call up my company number available on The Natural Sapphire Company web site and ask for Evan G.
      I came for help as a victim and now I am been victimized….
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      • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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        Originally Posted by evangnsc View Post

        .What on earth?? JV, western Union? This is crazy.... If anyone doubts my identity call up my company number available on The Natural Sapphire Company web site and ask for Evan G.
        I came for help as a victim and now I am been victimized....
        Yes ... I agree that it's completely crazy to litter a thread with accusations of scams with no proof whatsoever, but the main accuser is noted for that kind of behavior.

        I did call you and GEE ... there was an automated message with the option to reach EVAN's line ... which I did and left a message with my phone number for you to return my call if you wish.
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  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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    Well, here's what happens when you get facts before trying to smear someone. I just spoke to Evan of the Sapphire Company ... the real Evan.

    The person who posted this thread is not the real Evan. He is the disgruntled ex employee that has created havoc for this Sapphire company. The real Evan refers to him as a cyber terrorist. He does this type of thing all the time, posting in forums pretending to be Evan and does in fact create all of websites and complaints that disparage this company.

    The real Evan said that he would not have posted this type of thread because of pending litigation with this person, Prasat, I believe he said his name was.

    The person on the phone with a phone line for Evan who said that he was Evan was a very genuine sounding person and went into great detail about the trials and tribulations and antics of this ex-employee. There was not a hint in our conversation that he was not on the up and up. Take it for what it's worth. I'm relaying my conversation with Evan of the Sapphire Co that I just had. He said that he has to catch up a bit but would post soon regarding this thread.

    As for scammer as Alyona insists, no one knows the story about what happened between this company and this employee and I don't pretend to know that either, but I do know that Alyona was completely off the mark. The OPs purpose for posting this thread, if the Evan that I just spoke to is correct is to drop those links to his sites and cause further headaches for this company.

    I am quite sure he has by now asked a couple of people to JV with him and to send him money with the promise of making millions in a month or two (and of course he would run with the money)
    If this is what Eddie refers to as a "SEO fakeout", he would be on the mark.
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    • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
      Thanks for filling in the blanks like that Suzanne, so it wasn't a scammer after all and in fact a very disgruntled ex employee.

      Very interesting, so that means no one was getting PMs from him promising them millions and running off with the cash as someone here was so rampantly accusing? Looks like she were completely off the mark.

      Oh well, just goes to show you should be a hundred percent about your facts before you so joyously call people out. Especially when you say things like this, specifically to the mods, on a public forum...

      I really suggest to the mods here to check any sent messages from the OP's private messages, I bet that he is already trying to lure someone to send him money via western union!! I wouldn't want any gullible persons on this forum to fall prey to such tactics. If you had asked me this morning if people would fall prey to such an obvoius ploy I would have answered with a definitive "NO" but this afternoon i changed my mind completely and am absolutely amazed at how certain people react even to the most obvious of such ploys as this one!!!
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      • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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        Originally Posted by Richard Van View Post

        Thanks for filling in the blanks like that Suzanne, so it wasn't a scammer after all and in fact a very disgruntled ex employee.

        Very interesting, so that means no one was getting PMs from him promising them millions and running off with the cash as someone here was so rampantly accusing? Looks like she were completely off the mark.

        Oh well, just goes to show you should be a hundred percent about your facts before you so joyously call people out. Especially when you say things like this, specifically to the mods, on a public forum...
        Yes ... I was both right and wrong. Right not to jump to conclusions and smear someone without evidence and wrong about the OP being Evan. Jumping in with all kinds of wild theories with no facts isn't what I do.

        Who knows if what I was told on the phone is accurate. All I can do is relay what I was told and my impression of the person I was talking to.
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        • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
          To add something to the pot of facts...

          The OP shares IPs with a bunch of accounts created by one of our more persistent, if low-volume, spambags. Proxies, to be sure, but with some interesting correlations.

          Banned him.
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      Alyona,

      Yep. You appear to have guessed right. The point a number of people were making, and which you chose to ignore, is that you made serious and specific allegations without anything more than a guess. You really want to watch that, ma'am. I've taken lately to removing people for that. Some of them permanently.


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      • Profile picture of the author azmanar
        Hi Alyona,

        I hope you don't take Paul's advice lightly.

        Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

        Alyona,

        Yep. You appear to have guessed right. The point a number of people were making, and which you chose to ignore, is that you made serious and specific allegations without anything more than a guess. You really want to watch that, ma'am. I've taken lately to removing people for that. Some of them permanently.

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    • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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      Originally Posted by Alyona The Publicist View Post

      Was I or wasn't I right about the OP being a fake?!!!!! I spotted him immediately!!!! (without the need to call him on the phone!!) - I even thanked you in your post because you definetely scored a point for me there!! LOL
      Alyona ... you didn't score any points. Making unfounded allegations against anyone is dead wrong. If you're so certain that someone is a scammer, do the work first and then post facts. You could have just as easily been wrong as right without anything to back it up.

      I don't claim to be right and don't have to be right, but I'll tell you one thing I don't want to be ... I don't want to be wrong about something I've said about someone. If I have nothing but suspicions in a thread, I'll hit the report button and tell a mod "I suspect" or I don't know but it seems like ...
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        Originally Posted by Richard Van View Post

        ...told her Santa Claus didn't exist as though she didn't know
        I beg to differ sir. Santa Claus does exist.
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        • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
          Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

          I beg to differ sir. Santa Claus does exist.
          What? Why would my Mum do that to me?

          Do you think she's been stealing my presents and selling them?

          I'm going to cry....
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  • Profile picture of the author OneManSEO
    Businesses fail every day due to poor decisions. Sounds like your company made a poor decision firing the people who were obviously vital to your businesses financial success. Bad decision.

    I hate whiners more than I hate scammers...sounds like you might be both.
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  • Profile picture of the author Fernando Veloso
    Next time I need to outsource work to a genius, have to remember myself to get back to this thread...

    ... cause at least one of you is definitely the smartest guy in the room.

    No, wait, make that the whole world.
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    • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
      Originally Posted by Fernando Veloso View Post

      Next time I need to outsource work to a genius, have to remember myself to get back to this thread...

      ... cause at least one of you is definitely the smartest guy in the room.

      No, wait, make that the whole world.
      That must be you Fernando?

      It certainly isn't me.
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  • Profile picture of the author azmanar
    Suzanne,

    I totally agree with you that if we don't know, we better not accuse anyone of anything.

    Motives were irrelevant because the OP was asking 2 main things in several posts :

    1. Legal issues - so I pointed to KINDSVATER. Easy enough.

    2. SEO - so me and others gave some tips and pointed to this subforum.

    It could be just that. And he could move on. We could move on.

    But when some people started questioning motives when it is not really necessary, this thread exploded to a level of madness. ... rofl ... lol .. Still very mild considering other threads I've seen before in WF.

    Some people do worry of getting conned or scammed. All of us ought to worry and must put some preventive mechanisms in place. One most important element is our built-in rationale - that raises the imaginary red flags.

    But when we worry too much all the time, we tend to put our logical thinking behind and let paranoia control us, hence the outbursts. Add a dash of ego, hell will break loose. Something utterly simple will turn into complicated matters. We could see personal running battles too.

    I'm still neutral to the OP as I think everyone deserve responses to their questions. But if it leads to PMs that smells like fish, I have no qualms to report them. I am confident that Paul and the other Mods have better smell-o-meters.

    I recommend NOT DELETING THIS THREAD even if the OP is banned. Keep it as reference.

    Thanks.
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