3 Weeks Old Microniche Sites - Very Low Traffic Normal?

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I have built 3 microniche sites. All are based on keywords with like 700-1000 exact searches a month and pretty decently low competition. They are all a few weeks old and I have ranked in the top 10 already for my main keyword, all are around #6-9 or so.

However, all of these sites are getting hardly any traffic still. Like maybe 2 or 3 visitors a day, 5 tops.

So my question is, since I've already ranked that main keyword in the top 10 and I'm still getting that low of traffic does that mean these sites are likely not going to do well? Or are they so new that they will likely keep getting more traffic in time since longtail phrases will rank?

They are each 3 page sites with each page like 700 words, a couple with even more than that.

I really want to know if I'm doing this right or if there is something I should do better on future sites.
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  • Profile picture of the author MassivePassive
    Originally Posted by horst View Post

    It depends on how well you did your keyword research in the first place. i would highly recommend to check out the free guide of the adsense flippers guys who made over 6 figures with micro niche sites. you can find it here: AdSense Flippers | AdSense Sites | Niche Websites | Internet Businesses For Sale

    They also say in the guide that you need 60-90 days to see any good traffic coming to your sites.
    I am completely unaffiliated, but I highly recommend that guide for all MNS noobs.
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  • Profile picture of the author Builder154
    Originally Posted by horst View Post

    It depends on how well you did your keyword research in the first place. i would highly recommend to check out the free guide of the adsense flippers guys who made over 6 figures with micro niche sites. you can find it here: AdSense Flippers | AdSense Sites | Niche Websites | Internet Businesses For Sale

    They also say in the guide that you need 60-90 days to see any good traffic coming to your sites.
    I did read Adsense Flippers guide and as far as I know I followed everything they recommend. I think the fact that I am already ranking so high shows that I did my competition research well and as far as traffic, I mentioned the numbers. Adsense Flippers recommends exact search * CPC be over $10. All of them are definitely that.

    I realize it may seem early to expect traffic so soon. But since I'm already ranking in the top 10 for my main keyword I thought maybe that means I should be getting more than that. Where will the additional traffic come from in a few weeks? Do a lot more long tail phrases start ranking? Of course if I can get my keywords up from #7 to #2 or #1 that would help. But I don't know that I can get them that high.
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    • Profile picture of the author Builder154
      Originally Posted by horst View Post

      are you sure you ranked in the top 10? is it possible for you that you see the personalized searches? try google chrome incognito browser. also keep in mind that you probably get less than 10% of the search clicks with #7. on 1 you can get 5 times more clicks every day.
      Yes I'm sure. I check several different ways including some tools and incognito. Not just getting personalized results.

      I know the stats you mention. But that's exactly why I'm confused where traffic comes to these microniche sites. I've never heard any guru insist that you only use keywords where you can rank in the top 2 or 3. They say to look at the top 10 and if it seems relatively easy to get in there to go for it.

      If you can only get significant traffic, even with 1000 exact searches a month, at positions 1 or 2 then why don't people say to only use keywords where you think you can rank 1 or 2? I assumed it was because you inevitably get traffic from other means, also, especially long tails that end up ranking.
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  • Profile picture of the author sovereignn
    Most of the traffic only goes to the top 3 spots so it's not that abnormal considering your rankings
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    • Profile picture of the author nicktyler
      Originally Posted by sovereignn View Post

      Most of the traffic only goes to the top 3 spots so it's not that abnormal considering your rankings
      ^^^ THIS! If you rank it they will come.
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      • Profile picture of the author Builder154
        Originally Posted by nicktyler View Post

        ^^^ THIS! If you rank it they will come.
        As I already pointed out earlier in the thread, if this is the case, then why don't all the guides and gurus and advice say to only go after keywords where you are sure you can get in the top 3? I've never seen that. People in this thread mentioned Adsense Flippers, for example. I don't see in their guide anywhere that says to only go after keywords where you can be in the top 3.

        Everyone does top 10 analysis, not top 3 analysis. If the only way to get traffic is being in the top 3, then why do we even look at the rest of the top 10?
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        • Profile picture of the author Vanure
          You should keep adding more stuff to you websites and yes google prevents new sites for first month but as you said you are already in top 10 for your keywords then you should get the right hits. Anyway just wait and then take action. #1 gets 43% hits U should remember. Is your website in #1 on top ten?
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          • Profile picture of the author Builder154
            Originally Posted by Vanure View Post

            Is your website in #1 on top ten?
            The thread isn't even more than one page. Surely you read where I said they are not that high in the rankings
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        • Profile picture of the author Builder154
          Originally Posted by horst View Post

          so lets do the math. 1000 searches a month and 10% of all clicks =100 clicks/month = 3,3 clicks/day

          you mentioned you get 7 clicks. so you are more likely at 20%.

          if you get 100 clicks month and a ctr of 10%, you have 10$ per site with 1$ per click. it is the average number the adsense flippers get also per site.
          Good point actually. Maybe 7 or 8 visitors a day on micro sites like this is good enough if your strategy is making lots of them.

          Only thing is I've never gotten anything as high as a 10% CTR.
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        • Profile picture of the author sovereignn
          Originally Posted by Builder154 View Post

          As I already pointed out earlier in the thread, if this is the case, then why don't all the guides and gurus and advice say to only go after keywords where you are sure you can get in the top 3? I've never seen that. People in this thread mentioned Adsense Flippers, for example. I don't see in their guide anywhere that says to only go after keywords where you can be in the top 3.

          Everyone does top 10 analysis, not top 3 analysis. If the only way to get traffic is being in the top 3, then why do we even look at the rest of the top 10?
          I do top 1 analysis >_>
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          • Profile picture of the author wolfmmiii
            Originally Posted by sovereignn View Post

            I do top 1 analysis >_>
            You are very clearly leaving money on the table then.
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  • Profile picture of the author howto
    I just made a new website 1 week ago. It currently has 10 articles which are totals unique, perfect spelling, perfect grammar and over 600 words an article. The site gets 0 visits a day.

    I have another similar website and it used to only get. Like 10 visits a day in the first month or two then jumped up to around 100 and kept going up.

    Its normal for new sites to get barely any traffic.


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    • Profile picture of the author Builder154
      Originally Posted by howto View Post

      I just made a new website 1 week ago. It currently has 10 articles which are totals unique, perfect spelling, perfect grammar and over 600 words an article. The site gets 0 visits a day.

      I have another similar website and it used to only get. Like 10 visits a day in the first month or two then jumped up to around 100 and kept going up.

      Its normal for new sites to get barely any traffic.


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      Thanks. So my question is this: what changed from the first month to the latter results? Where did the additional 90 visits come from? If your main keyword wasn't in the top 10 the first month and then got there I can understand. But all of my main keywords are already in the top 10. So is it still likely I'll see that jump in the coming months?
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  • Profile picture of the author MSC
    New MNS site canot get much traffic from google first month or more, unless you have very good content and it goes viral, then you can get lots of traffic.
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    • Profile picture of the author Builder154
      Originally Posted by MSC View Post

      New MNS site canot get much traffic from google first month or more, unless you have very good content and it goes viral, then you can get lots of traffic.
      Ok, but my question is what happens after that first month to bring in the extra traffic suddenly?
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    • Profile picture of the author wolfmmiii
      Originally Posted by MSC View Post

      New MNS site canot get much traffic from google first month or more, unless you have very good content and it goes viral, then you can get lots of traffic.
      No, no, no. Not true. MNS sites don't go "viral". Who cares about 4-slice toasters??? The key to lots of traffic is proper keyword selection and ranking within the top 3 spots on page one (mentioned earlier).

      If you have a poorly-researched niche site that is not ranked above the fold on page one of Google, expect these kinds of results.
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  • Profile picture of the author TryBPO
    Hey OP!

    Your sites made it to the top 10...sweet! You said the problem is they're getting a fairly low amount of traffic. Here are a few things we would take a look at:

    1. Are you "really" ranked - This was already covered, but make sure you're ranked in the country where most of the local searches are coming from and that your results aren't personalized.

    2. Is there a brand in your keywords? - You'll find that if the brand is in the top couple of results, those results will take the lion's share of the traffic. It's been shown that non-branded keywords tend to more variance on the CTR from the SERP.

    3. Is your title/description compelling? - We've noticed really low CTR from the SERP when what is shown is not very compelling to potential visitors. Try to spruce that up and make it more attractive so that it stands out on the page.

    4. Some sites just don't work out - Even with everything else "right"...sometimes the sites are just losers. Sometimes it's because they don't rank...but in other cases it might just be the actual niche. It could be that the keywords chosen were seasonal? Or maybe there was an incident or promotion in that niche recently that has gone away, as has the search volume?
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    • Profile picture of the author Builder154
      Originally Posted by TryBPO View Post

      Hey OP!
      Hey Adsense Flippers. Great to hear from you guys. I have learned a lot from you.

      As to the issues you raised.

      I'm definitely really ranked and in the country where the local searches are from. Checked it multiple ways.

      No brand in the keywords. I'd never do that as I don't want to risk any bother with trademarks.

      The title/description is something I could consider trying to spruce up. Any hints on that? I usually just try to put my main keyword and possibly a secondary one in that description and then make it a basic description like:

      Great information and ideas on Main Keyword and Secondary Keyword.

      For the title I just use my main keyword. I'm afraid if I use anything else or more words it would lack keyword density and be less targeted and less likely to rank for that main keyword. Perhaps this is flawed.

      I'd be open to trying to spruce title and description up if you have some advice.

      My sites aren't seasonal or anything.

      As you said some sites just don't work out. My main question in this thread is WHEN do you know it isn't working out? Is it by a certain timeframe or is it by ranking? If you're ranked for your main keyword after two weeks and not getting traffic is it enough of a test since you're already ranked? Or even if you're ranked, do you sometimes see traffic start to raise after another month or two as more long tail phrases start ranking?

      I guess another way to phrase my intent in this thread is "When do you know a site is a failure?"
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  • Profile picture of the author Blue445nm
    I remember reading somewhere that you should keep your minimum local searches (exact) to more than 2,000.

    if you had 2000 + that would double your searches!
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    • Profile picture of the author wolfmmiii
      Originally Posted by Blue445nm View Post

      I remember reading somewhere that you should keep your minimum local searches (exact) to more than 2,000.

      if you had 2000 + that would double your searches!
      I personally don't worry about search volume. I seek out products that I know people are searching for and target long-tails around them. This results in very targeted and responsive traffic.
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  • Profile picture of the author WraithSarko
    I think the question has been answered. People don't look further down page 1 unless they didn't find what they were looking for in the first few spots. u analyze top 10 because they are the only comp, you are trying to beat them not hang out amongst them.

    Around 42% of clicks go to first spot and it goes down from there. You've done good so far...get to banking
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  • Profile picture of the author NicheSiteLab
    you shouldn't need a guide to tell you that the further down the page you are, the less clicks you'll get.

    saying that, ive got a site built a month ago that is ranking 6th and is making $1 a day from approx 8 visits. although adsense is normally a traffic game.. there is still money to be made from highly targeted niche sites.

    and lastly.. yes you can expect more long tail traffic over time, particularly if your post titles match a question someone is searching for.


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  • Profile picture of the author todawg_not
    Originally Posted by Builder154 View Post

    I have built 3 microniche sites. All are based on keywords with like 700-1000 exact searches a month and pretty decently low competition. They are all a few weeks old and I have ranked in the top 10 already for my main keyword, all are around #6-9 or so.

    However, all of these sites are getting hardly any traffic still. Like maybe 2 or 3 visitors a day, 5 tops.

    So my question is, since I've already ranked that main keyword in the top 10 and I'm still getting that low of traffic does that mean these sites are likely not going to do well? Or are they so new that they will likely keep getting more traffic in time since longtail phrases will rank?

    They are each 3 page sites with each page like 700 words, a couple with even more than that.

    I really want to know if I'm doing this right or if there is something I should do better on future sites.
    This article explains why your getting such little traffic

    The Value of Google Result Positioning | Chitika Insights

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    • Profile picture of the author Builder154
      Originally Posted by todawg_not View Post

      This article explains why your getting such little traffic

      The Value of Google Result Positioning | Chitika Insights

      regards

      Nigel
      I already know all about the percentages of different ranks and so on. What I keep asking is whether later, over time, more long tails keywords rank so you still end up getting a little more traffic usually.

      And again, if you can't get any traffic for a keyword with 1000 exact local searches in positions 5 or 6, then why doesn't anyone I've seen insist that you only use keywords where you know you can get in the top 2? I mean Adsense Flippers doesn't do that that I know of, for example.

      So something is contradicting about these things.
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  • Profile picture of the author wilsonm
    What backlinking strategy did you use?
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  • Profile picture of the author satrap
    As other have suggested most of the traffic goes to the first 3 spots. So you should try to get your site to top of the page.

    Also. Don't forget 700 monthly estimated traffic, devided by 30 is only about 23. So, a keyword with an estimated 700 monthly search valume gets around 23 search a day. So, even if you were ranking number one and were getting about 50% of that traffic, you would end up with about 11-12 visitors a day.

    So, as you can see, there would be not much left for those who rank on the bottom of the page.

    I am not saying this to discourage you, I am just trying to help you understand it better. Of course, long tail- low completion keywords are easier to rank for, so by ranking for a lot of them, you can get a decent amount of traffic from the collective effort of all of these keywords bringing you a few visitors a day.

    Good luck.
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  • Profile picture of the author Builder154
    I'm still getting the same types of answers which don't answer my main question.

    I GET that ranking 5 or 6 or something for a keyword with 700 or 800 exact local searches breaks down to the numbers people are saying from hits on that keyword alone.

    What I DON'T GET is the seeming discrepancy between this fact and the advice I've received from pretty much every guru I've read. All the ones I've studied say if you find a keyword with 1000 Exact Local Searches and more than $1 CPC and the top 10 competition is generally not great, that's a WINNER. Go for it!

    Yet when you do the math, it shouldn't be a winner, it seems, unless you get in the top 2 spots. Yet THEY DO NOT SAY THIS.

    I have not read a single guru who says that their criteria is that it have 1000 exact local search, more than $1 CPC AND YOU MUST be able to reach the top 2 spots. Not one.

    So my problem is not that I can't do math and understand traffic. My problem is I don't understand the apparent gap between the math and what's advised.

    My own math told me what everyone here is saying. But I assumed the reason that everyone does top 10 competition research and still goes for keywords that may have a strong top 3 or 4 is that they think if they can get in the top 10 for that main keyword, they're bound to get good rankings on some other long tails too so that makes it worth it.

    3 weeks in this is not the case for me. But I thought maybe that's just not enough time to see.
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  • Profile picture of the author TryBPO
    Hey OP,

    We generally wait 3-4 months to see how the sites are working out and how effective they are. Some only take 4-6 weeks to start earning well and others take longer, but 3-4 months is a reasonable timeframe for most.

    Still - A good portion of the "winners" we pick never pan out. (Not ranked as easily as we thought, don't have the traffic we thought they did, loss of advertisers, bad niche, poor CTR from the SERP, or other unknown reasons) We're playing the percentages...knowing that some of our sites will always be losers but, if we build enough of them, we have enough that are doing ok and a few that are killing it and we'll do well.
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    • Profile picture of the author Builder154
      Originally Posted by TryBPO View Post

      Hey OP,

      We generally wait 3-4 months to see how the sites are working out and how effective they are. Some only take 4-6 weeks to start earning well and others take longer, but 3-4 months is a reasonable timeframe for most.

      Still - A good portion of the "winners" we pick never pan out. (Not ranked as easily as we thought, don't have the traffic we thought they did, loss of advertisers, bad niche, poor CTR from the SERP, or other unknown reasons) We're playing the percentages...knowing that some of our sites will always be losers but, if we build enough of them, we have enough that are doing ok and a few that are killing it and we'll do well.
      Thanks again Adsense Flippers. My question is, on the sites that take 3-4 months to pan out, does this include ones where your main keywords ranked early on? Even with those ranked, do some not pan out until a month or two later? And if so, what changes in that second or third month to bring in the additional money?

      If a site takes a few months to get your main keyword ranked, that makes sense. But if your main keyword ranks in 2 weeks, then what exactly is going to change in the next few months to suddenly make what seems like a loser early on into a winner?
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  • Profile picture of the author TryBPO
    I can't say for sure as I don't watch any of our individual sites that closely to see what's going on in each use case or site-by-site. I tend to "group" them as those that are working and those that are not and we go from there.

    I would say, anecdotally, that both can happen. In some instances, it may take a site 3 months to get to the first page of Google and same with the earnings. In other instances, we get a site to (let's say) #6 or #7 on Google and it's not earning well...but then a few months down the road it gets ranked for a keyword we weren't planning on which brings in a ton of organic traffic.

    Let's say, for example, that I was trying to rank for "blue ski boots"...I may make the bottom of the first page in the first month or so and it's doing just so-so. Then...2 months down the road the site gets ranked for "ski boots" and it brings in a ton of traffic, clicks, etc.
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    • Profile picture of the author Builder154
      Originally Posted by TryBPO View Post

      Let's say, for example, that I was trying to rank for "blue ski boots"...I may make the bottom of the first page in the first month or so and it's doing just so-so. Then...2 months down the road the site gets ranked for "ski boots" and it brings in a ton of traffic, clicks, etc.
      I see. Thanks, that's what I was looking for. And on these sites, you're not really doing any additional backlinking? You're just on to making other sites and letting it hang around and sometimes after a couple months suddenly these things happen? Perhaps old backlinks just starting to get indexed or something?
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    • Profile picture of the author wilsonm
      Originally Posted by TryBPO View Post

      Let's say, for example, that I was trying to rank for "blue ski boots"...I may make the bottom of the first page in the first month or so and it's doing just so-so. Then...2 months down the road the site gets ranked for "ski boots" and it brings in a ton of traffic, clicks, etc.
      mmmmmmmmm.......

      Maybe I misunderstood but you guys build mini sites, sites with about 3 or 4 pages of content? I find it increadibly hard these sites end up get ranked for something like "ski boots" (which I would imagine has at least few thousand exact searches per month when they are optimised for "blue ski boots". I have seen this happen for sites with tonnes of content but not for 3 or 4 pages.
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      • Profile picture of the author TryBPO
        Originally Posted by wilsonm View Post

        mmmmmmmmm.......

        Maybe I misunderstood but you guys build mini sites, sites with about 3 or 4 pages of content? I find it increadibly hard these sites end up get ranked for something like "ski boots" (which I would imagine has at least few thousand exact searches per month when they are optimised for "blue ski boots". I have seen this happen for sites with tonnes of content but not for 3 or 4 pages.
        No...you're right. I've done 0 keyword research on "blue ski boots" and have no idea about the search volumes, chance to rank, etc. It's just the example we use whenever we're talking about the VERY specific types of niches we target.

        I'm using it as an example to point out the concept and not a specific use-case.

        That being said, we've had sites do exactly what you're finding to be incredible. It was odd for us as well. This tends to happen more with images than having the site found organically, but it's definitely happened both ways. I know some other clever marketers that will find out the more aggressive keyword they're ranking for that's bringing a ton of traffic and then build a new niche site targeting that unexpected keyword.
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  • Profile picture of the author shifat
    I think its too early to tell anything about it,give it a few weeks.
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