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how can u mass produce a successful micro niche site?

by jt47000
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Hello everyone,

I've been reading for the past few months about people on here and success stories with micro niche sites and would like to share my micro niche story.

So, I've been reading all these posts for some time now about all these guys that make tons with micro niche sites and are now fishing bonita fish with mark cuban off the coast of catalina on the weekends, bought a professional sports team ect.

"I got the bug!" I mean c'mon, I wanted to make money too so I dove in head first. I've learned what I know about SEO and IM through one of my previous sites in the guitar playing/learning niche so I have a decent amount of knowledge.

I decided to choose a keyword in the guitar niche. According to the google keyword tool... this keyword has:

2,400 searches
$3.36 cpc

I used Market Samurai to look at the competetiveness of the keyword and once I realized that it could compete, It was go time.

I bought the domain of the keyword, and then did 500 word blog posts daily with an avg. of 3% keyword saturation per blog post for 30 days. I also did the appropriate SEO promotion on social networking sites and was able to (by the 7th day) I was on googles first page. Day 11-29 i was doing the "Google Dance" lost on the web... but then came back at day 30! Currently holding spots 2-6 with my one domain for my given keyword!!! I'd say a huge SEO success.. wouldn't you?...

Well here's an interesting issue tho...

This site makes approximately only $0.30 per day and gets anywhere from 50-85 people per day to it. So yearly this site ranks in a whopping $109.50/yr

so the cost of the domain and hosting together for one year is $36.00
Not to mention this time I wrote all my articles myself and to think that I wrote probably 20,000 words on a keyword that can be COMPLETELY summed up by maybe 300 words... What If I would've paid someone on Odesk to write for me... it would've cost $150-200 for 20,000 words...

So let's think about this...

109.5 revenue
(36) domain and hosting
(175) outsourced article writing
(40) fiverr gigs to help my SEO
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-141.5$

I just lost $141.5!!!!!

granted I wrote my own content so I saved myself $175 but if I outsourced it, like most people do, it would've destroyed my pocket!!!
so in reality I actually made $33.00 per year

Am I missing something? $33.00 per year is horrible.. considering the amount of time it took me to build the blog, write the articles, promote it, etc. There's got to be another way. How do all these super successful micro niche guys do it? What does their revenue look like per year? And are they targeting keywords that get more than 2,400 searches per month?

I mastered the SEO, I beat Google!!! Landing spots 2-6!!! There's gotta be a way I can make money w it.

Any thoughts?
#broken #micro #niche #site
  • Profile picture of the author Jeannie Crabtree
    Was the 2,400 searches exact search or broad? And do I understand you right that you did all that blogging for one keyword or was this with related keywords as well? If not, put some related keywords in your posts.

    If it were my site, I would branch out a bit in keywords, address some of your most visited pages and use some links to amazon.com and other sites that you can affiliate with to sell guitars and related equipment or you could make a guitar store (affiliate) on your site and point to it from your articles.

    If you have a list, are you not only selling them your $5. ebook, but following up with affiliate offers? Clickbank has several guitar guides.

    In addition I would remove your keyword and site from your post. I had a profitable niche long ago no one else was selling to, I mentioned on a forum and in two months I had some stiff competition who undercut price and I finally quit it all together.

    You have to protect yourself by not divulging all your info. Some people have deep pockets and hired help they can get busy and outrank and take over the niche in 30 to 60 days.
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  • Profile picture of the author jt47000
    Was the 2,400 searches exact search or broad? And do I understand you right that you did all that blogging for one keyword or was this with related keywords as well? If not, put some related keywords in your posts.

    If it were my site, I would branch out a bit in keywords, address some of your most visited pages and use some links to amazon.com and other sites that you can affiliate with to sell guitars and related equipment or you could make a guitar store (affiliate) on your site and point to it from your articles.

    If you have a list, are you not only selling them your $5. ebook, but following up with affiliate offers? Clickbank has several guitar guides.

    In addition I would remove your keyword and site from your post. I had a profitable niche long ago no one else was selling to, I mentioned on a forum and in two months I had some stiff competition who undercut price and I finally quit it all together.

    You have to protect yourself by not divulging all your info. Some people have deep pockets and hired help they can get busy and outrank and take over the niche in 30 to 60 days.
    Hi Jeannie and thank you for the reply. The 2,400 was under exact and not broad. Also My keyword covers both singular and plural which the singular version of my keyword covers another 1400 on exact.

    I actually did the same with the online store and amazon affiliate. So I'm glad i'm on the same track I've seen nothing really come of it but I havent really started building backlinks to it yet. I guess i figured people would find it from browsing my site and internal linking.

    I put my book on jvzoo and e-junkie and 90% of my affiliates would sign up (mostly from other countries) right off the bat - the first day of putting it on there but still yet to see any sales. I've played around with pricing and the commission percentage and nothing happened. I'm actually having some great luck on amazon tho. I also just recently applied to Smashword and hopefully will be approved for the premier catalog.

    Thnank you for your advice on my signature... I took it. That's a good point and I'm sorry that happened to you. This place seems like its filled with good people but i guess its still pretty "dog eat dog" out there.

    Do you think 2,400 is not high enough? I thought I'd atleast be clearing 3$ per day considering the $3+ cpc and traffic and I have spots 2-6 for my keyword on googles mainpage and the singular version of my keyword well ranked on google.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jeannie Crabtree
    "My keyword covers both singular and plural which the singular version of my keyword covers another 1400 on exact."

    I am still unclear. Are You only using two keywords then?

    You still have your keyword and domain name in the last of your first post....
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    • Profile picture of the author jt47000
      Ic, just removed it.

      Yes, 2 keywords, both singular and plural and that's it. I'd like to think more than that considering if each post is anywhere from 500-700 words that it would get pretty cluttered with my keyword and would get "keyword stuffed" am i right?

      That is if I used other keywords

      Thanks!
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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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    I'm almost sure you have the wrong CPC ($3.36) If you got the CPC from Market Samurai.

    Most software pulls their data from the Google Keyword Tool, which is way off on CPC for Adsense on web sites.

    Look at the same keyword CPC in the Google Contextual Tool then divide that CPC number by two.

    A lot of people end up looking at the wrong CPC in Google Keyword Tool. I've recently posted about this (CPC) in more detail on this forum.
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    • Profile picture of the author onSubie
      Originally Posted by yukon View Post

      I'm almost sure you have the wrong CPC ($3.36) If you got the CPC from Market Samurai.

      Most software pulls their data from the Google Keyword Tool, which is way off on CPC for Adsense on web sites.

      Look at the same keyword CPC in the Google Contextual Tool then divide that CPC number by two.

      A lot of people end up looking at the wrong CPC in Google Keyword Tool. I've recently posted about this (CPC) in more detail on this forum.
      Hi

      I was also going to suggest you were probably looking at "Search" CPC and not "Contextual" CPC.

      The traffic numbers all seem to add up. 2400 searches a month is 80 per day. That would be about 40 per day for Google Spot #1.

      So 50-80 per day seems reasonable for the keywords.

      You haven't mentioned much about your stats.

      You should be able to see in AWStats, Google Analytics and your AdSense panel:

      - how many visitors
      - how many are bots
      - how long they stay on your site
      - how many ad clicks you get
      - what each click is worth
      - what the total clicks are worth
      - what keywords brought them there
      - etc.


      By the way, you have seen how easy it is to develop and rank a site when you have checked the keywords and competition and done good research.

      Can you imagine if you had picked a high paying niche like Medical Training or Pet Care?

      Mahlon
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  • Profile picture of the author Jeannie Crabtree
    Thanks for your condolances about my old site.

    I went to your site. I know you are concerned about adsense payout, but Yukon covered that I think. Look at your keywords and variations in something like Semrush.com as well. You sure would not want to mass produce a site until you can get it going really well.

    Here are a couple suggestions otherwise.

    For your headings in the posts, other than the H1 title, make subheadings a H2 or H3 if they are about your subject. Two or three subheadings is fine.

    Block the source of the ads in adsense that don't apply to the theme of your site that you see showing up. I saw a vitamin ad. (Could be because I research health info ...) Refreshed it was next an ad that was appropriate.

    Just my opinion,

    I use more than two keywords, or variations of keywords in a post if it is appropriate to the post. As long as you don't keep repeating the keyword more than a couple of times, it should be okay.

    So it could be p---- c----- as well as the one about charts. Or half a dozen other keywords if you look at your base keyword in Google keyword tool. You could branch out with more keywords, attract more traffic and be talking about the same thing, unless you want to keep it a very narrow niche.

    Hope some of that works for you. Signing off now...
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    • Profile picture of the author jt47000
      I'm almost sure you have the wrong CPC ($3.36) If you got the CPC from Market Samurai.

      Most software pulls their data from the Google Keyword Tool, which is way off on CPC for Adsense on web sites.

      Look at the same keyword CPC in the Google Contextual Tool then divide that CPC number by two.

      A lot of people end up looking at the wrong CPC in Google Keyword Tool. I've recently posted about this (CPC) in more detail on this forum.


      Thanks Yukon, that's the first time I've ever heard of that. It was actually from the google keyword tool and says that cpc to this day. Why would they have that cpc if it's not correct?



      Block the source of the ads in adsense that don't apply to the theme of your site that you see showing up. I saw a vitamin ad. (Could be because I research health info ...) Refreshed it was next an ad that was appropriate.


      Thanks again Jeannie for all your help I've researched ad blocking in the past and I havent quite figured it out.



      I how do I know what ads to block?



      What I was doing was blocking the generic Google Adwords Generic ads (75$ credit for adwords,etc) and then blocking the other ones not pertaining to my niche. However, everytime I blocked on not pertaining to my niche... i found that it was just replaced with another non related ad. I was trading one bad non related ad for another bad non related ad.



      Also, having to do with blocking urls - How do you tell which sites to block because you can only block the website (www.mysite.com) and not the low cpc url (www.mysite.com/bad-low-paying-add.html)? This was the biggest problem I had ran into because there were sites out ther that had 300 ads.. some paying only $.01 per click and others paying $2.34 per click. If you block on, you block all. So how do you decifer?



      A big thank you Jeannie!
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      • Profile picture of the author Jeannie Crabtree
        You are welcome.

        I can't help you much with adwords. I am not familiar with the current set up. I use to do more, but not much now. Please post your question below as a separate question in the seo forum and you should get some help.



        Originally Posted by jt47000 View Post


        Thanks again Jeannie for all your help I've researched ad blocking in the past and I havent quite figured it out.


        I how do I know what ads to block?


        What I was doing was blocking the generic Google Adwords Generic ads (75$ credit for adwords,etc) and then blocking the other ones not pertaining to my niche. However, everytime I blocked on not pertaining to my niche... i found that it was just replaced with another non related ad. I was trading one bad non related ad for another bad non related ad.


        Also, having to do with blocking urls - How do you tell which sites to block because you can only block the website (www.mysite.com) and not the low cpc url (www.mysite.com/bad-low-paying-add.html)? This was the biggest problem I had ran into because there were sites out ther that had 300 ads.. some paying only $.01 per click and others paying $2.34 per click. If you block on, you block all. So how do you decifer?


        A big thank you Jeannie!
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      • Profile picture of the author paulgl
        Originally Posted by jt47000 View Post

        It was actually from the google keyword tool and says that cpc to this day. Why would they have that cpc if it's not correct?
        That CPC has nothing to do with adsense, your site, your visitors, etc.

        The CPC for adsense on your site depends on a whole bunch
        of things. Like the people bidding on your site, your quality
        (which is lacking) of your site, your traffic, etc.

        If it says $5, your site probably is closer to 20 cents.

        The only way you know the CPC for your pages, is to
        get a click. Then you know.

        And yes, most people are disappointed. They see $50 a click
        for insurance and think WOW! Then get a click for 15 cents and
        swear google is ripping them off. Quite the contrary. People
        are trying to rip off google and adwords users.

        Paul
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  • Profile picture of the author wilsonm
    Can you tell us how you beat Google at the SEO game?
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    • Profile picture of the author mosthost
      Originally Posted by wilsonm View Post

      Can you tell us how you beat Google at the SEO game?
      He said it in the first post. He bought an EMD, wrote blog posts YADA YADA
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  • Profile picture of the author CyborgX
    My personal advice: Dont use the MNS strategy. Its too risky. Adsense doesnt like MNS and an update of the search engine can kill all your hard work after a night.
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    • Profile picture of the author pers1t
      First, your hosting expences will be the same as you build more niche sites, so your expences per 1 site will be less.

      Next, each site performs different, so me make $10 per month, some $100, some often make nothing.

      On average, my standard was $1 per site per day, resulting in over $350 per year, and this pays off.
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  • Profile picture of the author wilsonm
    Where do you download google contexual tool?
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    • Profile picture of the author wyatt2011
      It's on the same site as "Google Adwords", it's just under the "tools and analysis" tab at the top.
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    • Profile picture of the author Carl Brown
      Originally Posted by wilsonm View Post

      Where do you download google contexual tool?
      In the Google Keyword Tool, click on the Green Bar where it says "Tools & Analysis"
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  • Profile picture of the author Mosa
    Sounds like your keyword was just no good. Some keywords aren't all that great. I don't know where you figured you need 20,000 words of content on a microniche blog. We only use 1000, and we're hitting the top 3 spots at an 85% success rate. Also when we find a really profitable niche, we go to town with it and hit all the similar keywords. You definitely need to learn quite a bit more before you claim you've mastered SEO and google.
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  • Profile picture of the author seokid
    According to me dont use MNS. Adsense doesnt like MNS and an update of the search engine can kill all your hard work after a night.
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