Penguin Sharks Taking Advantage Of Misfortunes

I would suggest you wait before spending any money. Let's things settle down. Currently the results google is giving is of empty sites on page 1.

Wait for a month and then start building site manually ...forget fiverr gigs, bookmarkings etc. also deoptimize it a bit.

If you have spammy back links already then it could be dificult to rank again until google has another update to not penalize back links but just don't take them into account.

That's just my opinion. I am a newbie though.

First thing...I wouldn't be telling anyone that I had 5k to shill out for SEO or anything else for that matter.

Second thing...forget about serps until you know where your customers are hanging out at.

Which brings me to this:

Get a comprehensive and accurate demographic market reach report done. Then model your SEO and marketing campaigns around that.

Serps, Penquin, Panda or any other furry little creatures don't mean diddly squat if you can't perform on the same level as your customer.

Here's what SEO jockeys generally do not understand.

The search engines are not trying to stop the tools you are using.

They are trying to stop the job you are doing.

Using different tools does not change the fact that they don't want you doing the job and are only going to make those tools stop working, too.

It's like a four year old digging holes in the back yard. So you take away the shovel. So he goes and gets the canoe paddle, and starts using that as a shovel. So you take away the canoe paddle. Then he goes and gets a big flat rock. You take away the rock. He goes and gets a book. You take away the book. He starts digging with his bare hands. You bring him in the house and put him in the corner for twenty minutes. Then you let him up, and behold! There he is in the back yard trying to dig a hole again.

Because he's four.

So why do people constantly respond to Google taking away their shovel by running for the canoe paddle?

Best I can tell, because they're stupid.

You didn't give a name, so I'm just going to call you 56.

56, my mentor and I run a series of AdSense mini niche sites. I've been doing it for about a year now, he's been doing it since 2000 when he used to work for a "very large search engine" as he puts it. (NDA keep him from naming it.) Throughout those 12 years, he has never been negatively affected by any Google updates. No Penguin. No Panda. No anything.

CDarklock gave you the secret, but I'm going to spell it out for your where he just talked about it in terms of a kid with grown-up toys.

Google is a search engine. Google's job is to answer the question that is typed in the box with the most accurate answer possible. If I go to the box and type in "birthday chinchillas," I don't expect to see pictures of pink zebras wearing diapers. Follow me?

What (black hat SEO) people in IM are doing is that they are trying to game the system. They are trying to convince Google that those pictures of pink zebras wearing diapers are really what people want to see even though they're typing in "birthday chinchillas" into the search box.

Penguin reset that.

My mentor's biggest secret, and one he lets me share openly with anyone who wants to read it, is that Google wants HIGH QUALITY CONTENT in their results. Most of the sites that we build have 2 articles. That's it. not 5 or 10 or 50. Just 2 pages of well-researched, non-spun, original work that is over 1000 words per post. We do a little on-page SEO and then do manual backlinking.

Notice how I didn't mention hiring an SEO company, or a CPA company, or blasting my main site with SE Nuke? Notice how I never said to spin anything? Now, there are a couple of tricks I'm not listing out here, but I think you get the idea. Keep it all White Hat and you can hit #1 in Google 9 times out of 10 and then stay there.

-- j

There are some people on this forum that have experience with bringing larger sites back from the dead, it takes alot of time and trouble shooting however, it's my belief that there are varying levels of penalties for all sites affected and if you are 400+ or nowhere to be found, then you stand no chance of getting your site back.

Some people will disagree while others including Matt Cutts have already stated that if you have been hit badly then it's probably not worth your time trying to recover your site and instead change your domain. So with that in mind I probably wouldn't spend the money on backlinks but a fresh set up as the chances are you will be wasting your money. Moving your content over from the old domain and creating loads of new content, plus some social marketing and link baiting campaigns to kick it off.

Whats wrong with press releases? They are a white hat method to gaining ranking and a part of most company's online marketing campaigns.

You really believe press releases are going to hurt your ranking?
As for the fiverr gigs.. yeah mostly junk.. its $5 what do you expect.

And web 2.0s... still not sure on this front

Not one of my over 100 sites was affected in any way by any Google updates. My secret? I do almost zero SEO. I use fresh unique useful content with on page SEO and I build a few social bookmarks. That's it... done.

JaRyCu said it all but nobody ever believes it. SEO is a myth, the best SEO is to not do any SEO. It takes longer, but it is foolproof.

I didn't mean to make it sound like you said SEO is a myth. Just that what you did say was right on. I should have used a paragraph break there, sorry.

It just gets frustrating to see the perpetual cycle... People try new tricks, get ranked, Google slaps them down, people cry and cry, try new tricks, get ranked, get slapped etc. etc. etc.

If they would just take the time get their sites ranked organically they would not be in a perpetually nervously busy working state and they could relax a bit.

Penguin update, it becomes harder to get a high ranking, but ranking will be up if a website has original contents and quality backlinks.

Haven't read the thread but 56villages, I agree that it is disappointing people are cashing in on this.

However, this is the nature of supply and demand as we know it, and is our very business. When a demand is created, people will offer a supply. If no genuine real supply exists, it creates a market for snake oil remedies.

At the end of the day, the supply will always be created for anything in existence that has demand (whether it's real or fake).

Thus, we fall prey to our own marketing strategies.

Hi 56villages please send me your website address & the keyword phase you lost ranking after penguin update,i will take a look & let you know my thoughts on how to recover from that!You don't have to pay me anything as i learned a lot from here & it will be a pleasure if i can help out a fellow warrior .

No offense to the OP or anyone else in this thread, but Penguin is only 1 month old. If you honestly believed someone was selling a fix for Penguin after just a few weeks, that is on you.

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I can't speak for what you read but I can tell you that those tactics still work if done correctly. The key is "done correctly". There is a fine line and if you are reckless, you could shoot yourself in the foot.

Quality backlinks are the way to go and they always will be. People need to spend less time 'mass' building links and start spending more time finding quality links. One PR7 backlink is worth over 78,000 PR0s backlinks. The key is finding quality.