Is anyone here do no SEO, and backlinks but focus on writing unique contents only?

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I am wondering is anyone here who has never do any SEO and backlinks to their blogs but focus on writing unique contents only without having to worry about it? Can you really bring traffic and make money solely on content creation for your blog with no SEO?
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  • Profile picture of the author ilovechinesefood
    Originally Posted by Alex Lin View Post

    I am wondering is anyone here who has never do any SEO and backlinks to their blogs but focus on writing unique contents only without having to worry about it? Can you really bring traffic and make money solely on content creation for your blog with no SEO?
    Yes, you can. I do limited SEO and work on content. If its good, people will share it. If you plan on going this route, you must have a big social media presence to reach your audience
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    • Profile picture of the author BradRich
      Sounds like your referring to "link baiting" where people link to you because of great content. I think you Have to do at least a little seo to get indexed and found by others. It doesn't matter how "unique" your content is if its not indexed and nobody finds it.
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      • Profile picture of the author Alex Lin
        Originally Posted by BradRich View Post

        Sounds like your referring to "link baiting" where people link to you because of great content. I think you Have to do at least a little seo to get indexed and found by others. It doesn't matter how "unique" your content is if its not indexed and nobody finds it.
        Hi Bradrich, the funny thing is I tend to get spam comments after a few days from setting up the new site with a few articles. I don't know how they found my blog, maybe it is the rare keywords that ranked.
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      • Profile picture of the author jwmann2
        This should always be your main focus; great content that readers want to read; it's what keeps them coming back to your domain. Do you think Mark Zuckerberg spent time creating backlinks and commenting on blogs with anchor text? Hell no. He created a tool that was useful and made people's lives much easier.
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  • Profile picture of the author mosthost
    Blogs don't need 'SEO' or many backlinks. Freshness makes up for it. Write about subjects people are actually looking for now. (Diablo 3 strategies, etc) You can get a lot of traction with new stuff in stead of focusing on keyword tools, which track the past.
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    • Profile picture of the author yukon
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      Originally Posted by mosthost View Post

      Blogs don't need 'SEO' or many backlinks. Freshness makes up for it. Write about subjects people are actually looking for now. (Diablo 3 strategies, etc) You can get a lot of traction with new stuff in stead of focusing on keyword tools, which track the past.
      Lol, that's a bit extreme.

      If you want to play in the SERPs, you'll need at least some basic SEO.

      Googles freshness factor is defiantly a godsend, it makes testing new keywords on large sites about as easy as it can get.
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      • Profile picture of the author Alex Lin
        Originally Posted by yukon View Post

        Lol, that's a bit extreme.

        If you want to play in the SERPs, you'll need at least some basic SEO.

        Googles freshness factor is defiantly a godsend, it makes testing new keywords on large sites about as easy as it can get.
        Yes, content is king. That's why I am plan on content creation. I use keywords with million of searches (ignoring the comp.) and expect for a proportion of traffic.
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  • Profile picture of the author nest28
    Excuse me, but did I hear somebody say focus on content and not backlinks . Good on page seo and a few social bookmarks should be all you need.Another good idea would be to get traffic from social media sites as well.
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    • Profile picture of the author ilovechinesefood
      Originally Posted by nest28 View Post

      Excuse me, but did I hear somebody say focus on content and not backlinks . Good on page seo and a few social bookmarks should be all you need.Another good idea would be to get traffic from social media sites as well.
      Right on. If people here spent as much time as creating link pyramids and all these crazy schemes to manipulate the SERPS as they do on content, well then, this wouldnt be warriorforum would it?

      I realize this is not a great route for people who can't write well but it is the most effective and legitimate route.

      Even on-page SEO is overrated post-penguin.
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      • Profile picture of the author yukon
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        Originally Posted by ilovechinesefood View Post

        Right on. If people here spent as much time as creating link pyramids and all these crazy schemes to manipulate the SERPS as they do on content, well then, this wouldnt be warriorforum would it?

        I realize this is not a great route for people who can't write well but it is the most effective and legitimate route.

        Even on-page SEO is overrated post-penguin.
        That's not even close to being reality.

        There's plenty of white hat on-page techniques to boost a page in the SERPs (right now).

        Granted people following only basic SEO, they'll end up on the same level as thousands of other sites that can't be bothered with doing their own SERP test.
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        • Profile picture of the author ilovechinesefood
          Originally Posted by yukon View Post

          That's not even close to being reality.

          There's plenty of white hat on-page techniques to boost a page in the SERPs (right now).

          Granted people following only basic SEO, they'll end up on the same level as thousands of other sites that can't be bothered with doing their own SERP test.
          Not really. On-page SEO is minimal to your SERPS nowadays. In fact, my site got penalized ( I'm fairly certain about this) for being over optimized (and no I wasn't doing shady stuff).

          Apart from heading tags (don't go crazy with this or you will be penalized) and a good meta description, what else is there to do for on-page SEO nowadays
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          • Profile picture of the author yukon
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            Originally Posted by ilovechinesefood View Post

            Not really. On-page SEO is minimal to your SERPS nowadays. In fact, my site got penalized ( I'm fairly certain about this) for being over optimized (and no I wasn't doing shady stuff).
            If you've been penalized then your obviously doing something wrong, even If you don't realize it. Just saying.

            If you think on-page SEO is minimal, you have a lot to learn about SEO & I don't mean that in a negative way.

            Generalizing on-page SEO as being minimal is like all the folks that have been banned from Adsense when they say things like "Adsense isn't worthwhile", tell that to a webmaster that makes a living from Adsense, they'll disagree.

            The same is true with on-page SEO, it works very well in boosting pages in the SERPs. I have plenty of pages that rank for decent traffic keywords that rely heavily on several on-page SEO techniques.

            You can not believe me (that's cool), but I know my traffic & know what SEO I've done to get that traffic on my pages from the SERPs.
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            • Profile picture of the author ilovechinesefood
              Originally Posted by yukon View Post

              If you've been penalized then your obviously doing something wrong, even If you don't realize it. Just saying.

              If you think on-page SEO is minimal, you have a lot to learn about SEO & I don't mean that in a negative way.

              Generalizing on-page SEO as being minimal is like all the folks that have been banned from Adsense when they say things like "Adsense isn't worthwhile", tell that to a webmaster that makes a living from Adsense, they'll disagree.

              The same is true with on-page SEO, it works very well in boosting pages in the SERPs. I have plenty of pages that rank for decent traffic keywords that rely heavily on several on-page SEO techniques.

              You can not believe me (that's cool), but I know my traffic & know what SEO I've done to get that traffic on my pages from the SERPs.
              Thanks, but I know plenty about SEO. I got penalized for having my keywords in my footer-when I took it out-my rankings shot up. Fair enough. You can not believe me as well, but I know my SERPS and im on the first page for all my keywords.

              Even Google has said that its recent updates were aimed at minimizing on-page SEO. I guess we can agree to disagree-not like it matters-both of us have seen great results regardless.

              Maybe I am wrong but can you enlighten me on what else you can do-on page- other than creating a good internal link structure, proper heading tags, and a good meta description? Because other than those three, I am kind of scratching my brain.
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    • Profile picture of the author Alex Lin
      Originally Posted by nest28 View Post

      Excuse me, but did I hear somebody say focus on content and not backlinks . Good on page seo and a few social bookmarks should be all you need.Another good idea would be to get traffic from social media sites as well.
      Hi nest! My plan is to focus on long-term project without having to worry about google algorithm change. Btw I don't have the consistency in doing backlinks but I can write all day long.
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  • Profile picture of the author NicheDad
    Pinging feed aggregators is a good idea as well if you don't plan on building many backlinks.
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  • Profile picture of the author befree22
    Everything you do requires seo. If you'd doing content, you naturally need seo keywords; if social media, you still need seo keywords...
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    • Profile picture of the author mosthost
      Originally Posted by befree22 View Post

      Everything you do requires seo. If you'd doing content, you naturally need seo keywords; if social media, you still need seo keywords...
      Very true. The process is so automatic many people forget they're optimizing things. But you might as well tweak every tag and description you can. There's already enough things we have no control over in life, why let the low hanging fruit off the hook?
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  • Profile picture of the author wolfmmiii
    Although I can't say I do no SEO, I can say that I do virtually no backlinking to most of my Amazon sites and I still make more in 40 hours what many people make at a full-time job.

    So, yes, you can build sites and worry primarily about content only provided you know how to keyword-select. Once you know how to choose products / keywords that are easy to rank, it gets easy.
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    • Profile picture of the author nik0
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      Originally Posted by wolfmmiii View Post

      Although I can't say I do no SEO, I can say that I do virtually no backlinking to most of my Amazon sites and I still make more in 40 hours what many people make at a full-time job.

      So, yes, you can build sites and worry primarily about content only provided you know how to keyword-select. Once you know how to choose products / keywords that are easy to rank, it gets easy.
      Safe to assume you chose keywords like: "where to buy product x"?
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      • Profile picture of the author wolfmmiii
        Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

        Safe to assume you chose keywords like: "where to buy product x"?
        Not really.
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    I recommend you and everyone else stop doing SEO immediately. This way as I continue doing SEO on my websites, my rankings will dominate yours!
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  • Profile picture of the author IsaacWendt
    I have a site at the moment I'm just publishing great content posting to the social media site and doing a little self promotion. And it's going well, I personally think if you can create not unique content because unique content is **** content, create Great, amazing content that people will willing link to and push it with social media you could easily rank yourself.

    Google is really starting to pay attention to social media.
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  • Profile picture of the author satrap
    I personally think that no SEO at all is not possible. I mean, how are you going to let people know you have published some great cont net that they need to read? You have to build at least a link or tow to those content from other places so people can click and see your content.

    But I guess, depending on your niche and the quality of your stuff, it could be done with a minimal SEO.
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    • Profile picture of the author IMnwxlh2
      I have a site in the wedding niche with 26 original articles and yes the home page got hit with the Penguin thingy. When the Panda algo came out, that home page actually went to the first spot on the first page. Before that it was always on the second page. After Penguin, it dived down to the 900th position (hey I'm still in the top 1000!!!).

      The home page is where I spent all my efforts in terms of on-page and off-page seo. Most of the off-page consisted of backlinks from forum profiles and Web 2.0 sites. I believe I got hit because of the same text used for anchor.

      The strange thing is I was getting about 100 unique visits to the various pages on the site and to the home page. After the Penguin hit, traffic actually increased by about 10% as the other 25 pages started to rank for their keywords. For those pages I did nada in terms of off-site SEO (no back-linking). But I did spent the same amount of on-site SEO work as I did for the home page.

      The footer of each of the 25 articles contained a link back to the home page using the home page keywords as the anchor text. I have since removed those links.

      So for my home page, it was something definitely in the backlinks that pushed it down (waaaaay down). I just started writing more unique articles (700-900 words in length) and now the home page is starting to climb (last check it was at 700th position).

      So my short term goal is just to keep adding unique articles and nothing else and see what happens. Next step is to go to my forum profiles and web 2.0 sites and change the anchor text.

      I also have an Amazon website using the eStore theme along with Ayaw's plugin and that site is sticking on the first page (no backlinks at all). That site is getting about 80-90 clicks a day.

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  • Profile picture of the author lovboa
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    I used to wonder why people were getting banned and losing their rankings for no reason.

    You know those threads that used to pop up every once in awhile and no one can figure out why they were banned or lost their rankings?

    Then Penguin happened and I saw how ignorant some people can be. It doesn't matter how much you explain it to them, they can never be incorrect. It just all made sense after that.
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  • Profile picture of the author kviv23
    i did the same with couple of my blogs and they are as strong as they were before penguin .
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  • Profile picture of the author Duy Nguyen
    I just want to point out 3 things from my own opinions.

    The first thing is that's totally fine to do SEO or not to do any SEO at all. It's all about the approaches we take. If you're totally fine with creating really good content and actively participating in forums and social networks to drive traffic to your site then go ahead and do that. Me? I prefer a more structured and anonymous approach and doing SEO obviously fits into my style. I'm a left-brained person! Problem?

    The second thing is no matter how you argue about that, if you're participating in forums and social networks like Facebook and Twitter, you're unintentionally (from YOUR point of view) creating links to your site! If not, then how can people approach you? Don't tell me that you just leave a plain text of your website address for people to go and type in their address bar themselves (people are not that patient these days)! And don't even say that those links don't help your site rise up in the SERPs because links from forum and social networks work. Period!

    The final thing is to NEVER say something like "my way is good and your way is bull****" because in the end, it's the results that speak for themselves not those blah blah blah! If both ways are working, then why not go and mind your own stuff? And for people who think they don't do any SEO at all and their sites still rise in the SERPs, it's other people doing the job of creating links for you because your content is really that good (congrats ) not because Google suddenly falls in love with your site so it gives you better rankings. Deal with that!

    I'm by no mean an SEO expert nor do I make tens of thousands of dollars every month on the Net, I'm just a normal guys like you doing my stuff. I still have tons of things to learn to improve my skills. The above things are drawn from my own opinions so DON'T take them personally.

    In the end, I wish you all the best with your online endeavor May us all be successful (with the roads we chose)!
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  • Profile picture of the author uoftenwinny
    Just write unique contents is a good way to earn money, but it needs lots of vocabulary, another thing is the contents if interesting or not, also it should be related to your service or products.
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