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I don't know if it will work but it's all about testing

by GGpaul
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Alright......Where to start. Okay - so I decided to work on an authority site that focuses on selling products from Amazon. I mainly cover "electronics" and I plan to just expand on that.

Almost all keywords have some kind of "top selling" or "review" etc. etc. I've done my research through Market Samurai. Most if not all, have a local monthly search of 1,000 EXACT. One with 75,000.

I usually post a new product review/article once a week or two. I make sure the articles make sense, and that it does benefit the reader/consumer. The articles are anywhere from 450-700 words. As far as keyword density goes; I don't focus on that, as long as the article makes sense.

I'm using DIY themes (wordpress). The domain is an aged site (about 3 years), and I've had it for almost a year now. I have the sharebar plugin for social bookmarking. And I also have a twitter/fb page that I created. NO videos whatsoever.

Anyways - most of these keywords are ranking (steadily) without ANY backlinking. There are SOME keywords where I have done some backlinks and they are toggling from page 1-3.

So far I'm deciding whether or not if I should just keep creating new content, and not do any backlinks and just let the page rank on its own....OR do some backlinking.

I DO have magic submitter. But what I'm doing is I create maybe 4-5 web 2.0 properties. Wordpress, Xanga, Tumblr, Blogger, and Squidoo.

With those web 2.0 properties, I get involved. For instance, with Tumblr I'm reblogging other peoples posts, liking their posts, making the layout look clean, posting interesting stuff, etc. AND then I'll post here and there with some kind of article (NOT spun) with an anchor text to my money site. At the same time, I'm using proxies (I don't know if it does anything, but hey what the heck, it's all about testing).

After I have created my web 2.0 properties, I then utilize magic submitter. This is where I create ANOTHER content and SPIN it. What I do is I submit these articles (from magic submitter) to blogs/wordpress blogs/ELGG/and Wikis. The article that I created and SPUN points to my web 2.0 properties and NOT my money site. Each with 10 different LSI including "click here to find more, http://www.xxxxxxxxxx.com, (keyword), (keyword variation)."

Anyways, that's what I've been doing, and that I PLAN on doing for the weeks to come. I'll definitely post any kind of results. If you guys have any SUGGESTIONS, please let me know!


Peace and good luck with your business!
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    • Profile picture of the author GGpaul
      Originally Posted by jamesseo786 View Post

      you want seo work ?
      No thanks. I've gained so much knowledge already that I'm just "testing" out the waters. And I'm ONLY learning more every day, thanks to the warriorforum, and special thanks to people like Yukon, Paulgl, Mikeanthony, and Nest.
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    Aww sookie sookie now, I'm being mention in the same sentence as Yukon,Paulgl, and mikeanthony

    I'm sure Wolfmii will be able to help you out with this considering he's the resident authority on amazon sites. Good luck though.
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    • Profile picture of the author GGpaul
      Originally Posted by nest28 View Post

      Aww sookie sookie now, I'm being mention in the same sentence as Yukon,Paulgl, and mikeanthony

      I'm sure Wolfmii will be able to help you out with this considering he's the resident authority on amazon sites. Good luck though.

      Sookie sookie hahaah this guy. Never heard of Wolfmii. But I'll definitely look for him.

      Speaking of which, how's your method of ranking with no backlinks?
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      Originally Posted by nest28 View Post

      Aww sookie sookie now, I'm being mention in the same sentence as Yukon,Paulgl, and mikeanthony

      I'm sure Wolfmii will be able to help you out with this considering he's the resident authority on amazon sites. Good luck though.
      Thanks for the kind words Nest.

      @GGPaul:

      Your plan looks pretty solid over all. I personally try not to get too involved with backlinks but building out Web 2.0's isn't an awful idea, provided you maintain a varied link profile. Since most of the Web 2.0's that I do own (not too many) are manually written, I sometimes hold 3-4 of the top 10 positions for a keyword.

      The way I look at it is do what works for you. Just be sure that the keywords you are targeting are "buying" phrases. Think about what phrases you would search with if you were looking to buy something. If you don't catch people late in the buying cycle, conversions will generally be fairly poor due to the 24 hour cookie.
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      • Profile picture of the author nest28
        Originally Posted by GGpaul View Post

        Sookie sookie hahaah this guy. Never heard of Wolfmii. But I'll definitely look for him.

        Speaking of which, how's your method of ranking with no backlinks?
        I't coming along slowly but surely. Lately I've been focusing on on page seo, h1 tags,meta tags,meta description, reducing number of urls on any page to less than 100, themed pages etc. Next I'll focus on getting traffic from social media.

        Also I about to experiment with youtube/adsense on the side. I talked a little about my ideas here.

        http://www.warriorforum.com/adsense-...d-youtube.html

        Originally Posted by wolfmmiii View Post

        Thanks for the kind words Nest.

        @GGPaul:

        Your plan looks pretty solid over all. I personally try not to get too involved with backlinks but building out Web 2.0's isn't an awful idea, provided you maintain a varied link profile. Since most of the Web 2.0's that I do own (not too many) are manually written, I sometimes hold 3-4 of the top 10 positions for a keyword.

        The way I look at it is do what works for you. Just be sure that the keywords you are targeting are "buying" phrases. Think about what phrases you would search with if you were looking to buy something. If you don't catch people late in the buying cycle, conversions will generally be fairly poor due to the 24 hour cookie.
        You welcome, I've seen you give good advice to plenty of people including me, so I knew you would help GGPaul. Plus I see the same people in all the threads I'm interested in, were all like minded. There is more talk about no backlinking and building authority sites on the forum now than ever before.
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      Originally Posted by nest28 View Post

      Aww sookie sookie now, I'm being mention in the same sentence as Yukon,Paulgl, and mikeanthony

      I'm sure Wolfmii will be able to help you out with this considering he's the resident authority on amazon sites. Good luck though.
      Nest28, I don't give you enough credit.

      If anyone reads all my posts, you'll see me echo many, many, many
      times what GGPaul said.

      The stuff on this forum is golden. I mean I learn stuff from even
      from people I disagree with.

      I look at this way. You have to test. But you need a starting point.
      You need stuff to test. You need ideas.

      I can't name enough names so I don't try. I know I don't give
      out nearly enough thanks.

      Paul
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      • Profile picture of the author nest28
        Originally Posted by paulgl View Post

        Nest28, I don't give you enough credit.

        If anyone reads all my posts, you'll see me echo many, many, many
        times what GGPaul said.

        The stuff on this forum is golden. I mean I learn stuff from even
        from people I disagree with.

        I look at this way. You have to test. But you need a starting point.
        You need stuff to test. You need ideas.

        I can't name enough names so I don't try. I know I don't give
        out nearly enough thanks.

        Paul
        I feel the exact same way, I learned more in the last 6 weeks than I have in last 2 years, all thanks to the warrior forum. I swear just last week I barely knew what a h1 tag was, I never used them until now.

        For minute I was getting a little fed up with this forum because of certain people, but putting up with them is a small price to pay for all the knowledge that I gain by participating on the forum.

        Edit: I never noticed the sig, lol. Anyone who has sent me a friend request on fb can tell you I barely be on there.
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    Do you guys think "Page rank" still matters? My "partner" at work emphasize how we must find high PR backlinks and what not.
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      Originally Posted by GGpaul View Post

      Do you guys think "Page rank" still matters? My "partner" at work emphasize how we must find high PR backlinks and what not.
      The high PR certainly does help.

      Have you already had success building smaller sites? or are you jumping straight into the authority site?
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        Originally Posted by Mosa View Post

        The high PR certainly does help.

        Have you already had success building smaller sites? or are you jumping straight into the authority site?
        I had some success with "small sites" BEFORE penguin. I figured now that I'll just focus on one huge site. I know that you and a partner are doing at the moment. How is that coming along? Adsense is your income I believe?
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      Originally Posted by GGpaul View Post

      Do you guys think "Page rank" still matters? My "partner" at work emphasize how we must find high PR backlinks and what not.
      For me what matters the most is how fast a page can consistently get indexed & reindexed by Google bots, which usually is a benefit of higher PR.

      I'm constantly testing new things on my sites, so I need Google re-indexng at least the main pages on the site ASAP, to see results faster in the SERPs.
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      • Profile picture of the author GGpaul
        Originally Posted by yukon View Post

        For me what matters the most is how fast a page can consistently get indexed & reindexed by Google bots, which usually is a benefit of higher PR.

        I'm constantly testing new things on my sites, so I need Google re-indexng at least the main pages on the site ASAP, to see results faster in the SERPs.
        For sure. I'm also re-reading the silo structure thread and what you messaged me in the past.

        I know you recommended the CS3 model? But as of now I have it where it's at the bottom of the content "recommended/related".

        As far as that goes, can the anchor text be the same exact keyword or it has to be diversed?

        For instance, I have a page "basketball training." And then I have a supporting page "how to shoot a basketball."

        Can the anchor text be "how to shoot a basketball?" Or does it need to be mixed? Thanks!
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          Originally Posted by GGpaul View Post

          For sure. I'm also re-reading the silo structure thread and what you messaged me in the past.

          I know you recommended the CS3 model? But as of now I have it where it's at the bottom of the content "recommended/related".

          As far as that goes, can the anchor text be the same exact keyword or it has to be diversed?

          For instance, I have a page "basketball training." And then I have a supporting page "how to shoot a basketball."

          Can the anchor text be "how to shoot a basketball?" Or does it need to be mixed? Thanks!
          I run my anchor-text is small groups of pages (all the same anchor-text), of 10-20 internal pages most times. I've never had a problem with sticking to small groups of themed pages with a single anchor-text.

          You can look at Wikipedia & see they don't have any problems doing the same anchor-text spread out over multiple internal pages.

          I've found that 10-20 supporting pages per target page is usually pretty strong. That alone will usually get a target page ranking decent for a mid-level comp. keyword. Anything with more competition, I would repeat the same process on at least 3 more pages all targeting the same keyword, just depends how bad you want to rank for the keyword.

          For a tough keyword, I wouldn't have a problem dedicating something like 50-60 internal pages to a single keyword. The reason I do this is building up authority on multiple target pages (example, 4 target pages I want ranked per keyword).

          Really its's all about how much traffic the keyword will return.

          Something else I want to let you guys in on, you might think this is crazy (lol) but trust me it can sometimes help.

          If you do research on a keyword (example, 10k traffic per month, #1 SERP position), If the traffic just isn't happening once you rank a page, don't be afraid to re-purpose those internal pages with new/similar keywords.

          A lot of times very simple things for instance a plural word vs. singular keyword can make all the difference in the world as far as traffic.

          The more you test, the better off you'll be (long term), just keep track of what works & what doesn't work, so your not repeating the same steps a year from now.
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          • Profile picture of the author nest28
            Originally Posted by yukon View Post

            I run my anchor-text is small groups of pages (all the same anchor-text), of 10-20 internal pages most times. I've never had a problem with sticking to small groups of themed pages with a single anchor-text.

            You can look at Wikipedia & see they don't have any problems doing the same anchor-text spread out over multiple internal pages.

            I've found that 10-20 supporting pages per target page is usually pretty strong. That alone will usually get a target page ranking decent for a mid-level comp. keyword. Anything with more competition, I would repeat the same process on at least 3 more pages all targeting the same keyword, just depends how bad you want to rank for the keyword.

            For a tough keyword, I wouldn't have a problem dedicating something like 50-60 internal pages to a single keyword. The reason I do this is building up authority on multiple target pages (example, 4 target pages I want ranked per keyword).

            Really its's all about how much traffic the keyword will return.

            Something else I want to let you guys in on, you might think this is crazy (lol) but trust me it can sometimes help.

            If you do research on a keyword (example, 10k traffic per month, #1 SERP position), If the traffic just isn't happening once you rank a page, don't be afraid to re-purpose those internal pages with new/similar keywords.

            A lot of times very simple things for instance a plural word vs. singular keyword can make all the difference in the world as far as traffic.

            The more you test, the better off you'll be (long term), just keep track of what works & what doesn't work, so your not repeating the same steps a year from now.
            Can a new site with little to no backlinks achieve the same results, or does it have to be a aged site with a lot of external links.

            So lets say I wanted to rank for "veterinary technician" and my site has a couple hundred pages on related topics, and at least 20 supporting pages where I could insert the anchor text "veterinary technician" . Now let's also say This imaginary blog of mine is 3 months old with just over a hundred backlinks to a few inner pages and the rest going to homepage.

            What would be my chances of ranking for this particular keyword under these circumstances. I know there's always a million different variables to consider, but I just would like to get a rough estimate as to how powerful this method can be.

            Don't get me wrong I appreciate the advice, and I'm not trying to seem as if I don't believe this will work or anything like that. In the end I'll have to test it on my site anyways, but it would be nice to know what kind of results to expect.

            Thanks in advance.
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            • Profile picture of the author yukon
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              Originally Posted by nest28 View Post

              Can a new site with little to no backlinks achieve the same results, or does it have to be a aged site with a lot of external links.

              So lets say I wanted to rank for "veterinary technician" and my site has a couple hundred pages on related topics, and at least 20 supporting pages where I could insert the anchor text "veterinary technician" . Now let's also say This imaginary blog of mine is 3 months old with just over a hundred backlinks to a few inner pages and the rest going to homepage.

              What would be my chances of ranking for this particular keyword under these circumstances. I know there's always a million different variables to consider, but I just would like to get a rough estimate as to how powerful this method can be.

              Don't get me wrong I appreciate the advice, and I'm not trying to seem as if I don't believe this will work or anything like that. In the end I'll have to test it on my site anyways, but it would be nice to know what kind of results to expect.

              Thanks in advance.
              The actual page your trying to rank doesn't necessarily need external links pointing directly at the target page in order to rank in the SERPs.

              I do highly recommend that you at least focus one internal page that's ranked by external backlinks, treat that page like it's the king of all pages & use only the best of the best external links that you can possibly get.

              I doubt you want to hear this (external links), but you have to get the ball rolling with at least a single page, Google needs a jumping off point, something to start with. So, give the Google bots an internal page ranked with quality external links, that's the starting point.

              If you don't use external links on the target page, you'll need to internal link from a similar internal page that has some authority.

              The reason you want quality links is, you need Google visiting your site as often as possible, I know some might disagree with that, but I'm telling you straight up, Google bots love fresh content & older pages that get updated.

              If Google visits your site 15 days in a row & finds new text & links, I guarantee Google bots will be back on days 16,17,18,etc...

              Your example keyword "veterinary technician" has a .gov ranking #1 that would be some tougher competition, not because of the TLD (.gov), but they have a 2nd internal page that's supporting the same keyword. The #2 ranked page is an internal Wikipedia page, that should be easy to pass in the SERPs, Wiki isn't really targeting that keyword, everything below Wiki (#2) doesn't matter.

              Do like I said above with the 10-20 supporting internal pages, If you already have the content/pages, you have nothing to lose.

              I'll tell you though, Google likes finding things that are grouped & organized & that includes multiple internal pages. The proof is in Google SERPs, look at how Google groups all the related pages when you do any keyword search, their serious about cataloging pages.

              Remember the old public libraries (I'm too old, lol) & how they had card catalogs, Google SERPs is the exact same thing as a card catalog in a public library. Google bots go out & collect pages that are all relevant to the same keyword, then tries to organize the pages in the SERPs based on themed relevancy.

              I get to involved with SEO, don't I (lol)?
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    Hmmm with the use of MagicSubmitter, I'm thinking about utilizing linklicious or something that will crawl the links as well.
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    You know I had wrote 3 paragraphs thanking you, and explaining a couple different things , and my cat jump on keyboard and erased everything lol.

    I'll just leave it at thank you very much.
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  • Profile picture of the author GGpaul
    Hmmm so I'm going through my on-page SEO. People have suggested that 450-1000 words is ideal.

    I don't know, but for me it seems like 450 is not that much? I'm adding the <h1> tags and what not and having let's say three of them makes the damn content look a bit tacky and too obvious that I'm just trying to rank the page itself. What do you guys think?

    As far as on-page goes, I'm inner linking the pages, adding an anchor text that leads to a wikipedia site, and a keyword density of 2-3 percent. Along with the H1 tags that I'm not too happy about. I'm guessing add more content (more than 450 words) on each page? Or just add ONE h1 tag?
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    • Profile picture of the author nest28
      Originally Posted by GGpaul View Post

      Hmmm so I'm going through my on-page SEO. People have suggested that 450-1000 words is ideal.

      I don't know, but for me it seems like 450 is not that much? I'm adding the <h1> tags and what not and having let's say three of them makes the damn content look a bit tacky and too obvious that I'm just trying to rank the page itself. What do you guys think?

      As far as on-page goes, I'm inner linking the pages, adding an anchor text that leads to a wikipedia site, and a keyword density of 2-3 percent. Along with the H1 tags that I'm not too happy about. I'm guessing add more content (more than 450 words) on each page? Or just add ONE h1 tag?
      Your linking your site to a wiki page?

      Are you using blogger or wordpress?

      I'm using blogger and just found away to rotate my h1 tags, so the blog title on the homepage is h1, but when you click on to a post page, the title of the post uses the h1 tag.
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      • Profile picture of the author GGpaul
        Originally Posted by nest28 View Post

        Your linking your site to a wiki page?

        Are you using blogger or wordpress?

        I'm using blogger and just found away to rotate my h1 tags, so the blog title on the homepage is h1, but when you click on to a post page, the title of the post uses the h1 tag.
        Wordpress. How many h1's do you have?

        I don't know if the attached thumbnail is working so here: http://www.warriorforum.com/attachme...1&d=1338490270

        I'm going to use an example of one of my OLD failed sites that I got rid of (lol)...



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        • Profile picture of the author nest28
          Originally Posted by GGpaul View Post

          Wordpress. How many h1's do you have?

          I don't know if the attached thumbnail is working so here: http://www.warriorforum.com/attachme...1&d=1338490270

          I'm going to use an example of one of my OLD failed sites that I got rid of (lol)...
          The way I have my site set now, is each page has one h1 tag. So say the name of my blog is "true blood fan site" t.v. show btw, the h1 tag would be applied to "true blood fan site" while on the homepage.

          Now if you click on a post , "true blood episode guide" the h1 tags is applied to post title, not the blog's title.

          In the picture that you show are you using h1, and a h2 tag for the same article, and why are you linking out to wiki, instead of linking to a supportive page on you site like Yukon suggests.
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            Originally Posted by nest28 View Post

            The way I have my site set now, is each page has one h1 tag. So say the name of my blog is "true blood fan site" t.v. show btw, the h1 tag would be applied to "true blood fan site" while on the homepage.

            Now if you click on a post , "true blood episode guide" the h1 tags is applied to post title, not the blog's title.

            In the picture that you show are you using h1, and a h2 tag for the same article, and why are you linking out to wiki, instead of linking to a supportive page on you site like Yukon suggests.
            The keywords for that page will have one anchor text leading to a wikipedia. I was told from "FastattackSEO" to have one of your keywords point to an outer link such as wikipedia.

            At the bottom of that content there will be "related articles" that will have an anchor text of the keywords that will link to my supporting pages. I'm using h1 and an h2. I usually only have ONE h1 tag ? People have suggested more than one?
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            • Profile picture of the author nest28
              Originally Posted by GGpaul View Post

              The keywords for that page will have one anchor text leading to a wikipedia. I was told from "FastattackSEO" to have one of your keywords point to an outer link such as wikipedia.

              At the bottom of that content there will be "related articles" that will have an anchor text of the keywords that will link to my supporting pages. I'm using h1 and an h2. I usually only have ONE h1 tag ? People have suggested more than one?
              You can check you website's pages here.


              SEO Title and H1 Page Checker

              This site will tell you if your using h1 tag properly.

              I apologize for my last post, for some reason when I read it , it almost seems as if I'm talking down to you or something, could just be me.
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              • Profile picture of the author GGpaul
                Originally Posted by nest28 View Post

                You can check you website's pages here.


                SEO Title and H1 Page Checker

                This site will tell you if your using h1 tag properly.

                I apologize for my last post, for some reason when I read it , it almost seems as if I'm talking down to you or something, could just be me.
                DUDE! NO!! Don't even think like that man. Not even close. Why do you think I respect people like you paulgl and yukon? You guys go straight to the damn point!
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                • Profile picture of the author nest28
                  Originally Posted by GGpaul View Post

                  DUDE! NO!! Don't even think like that man. Not even close. Why do you think I respect people like you paulgl and yukon? You guys go straight to the damn point!
                  It just read like that to me, I respect all you guys on the forum, and would never want to disrespect any of you. When I said "and why are you linking to wiki,instead of a internal page on your own site" it just seemed wrong.

                  In my head it seem like I said 'AND WHY THE HELL ARE YOU LINKING TO WIKI, DIDN'T YUKON JUST TELL YOU TO LINK TO YOUR INTERNAL PAGES, lol.

                  You can't read text the way it was meant to sound.
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            Originally Posted by nest28 View Post

            The way I have my site set now, is each page has one h1 tag. So say the name of my blog is "true blood fan site" t.v. show btw, the h1 tag would be applied to "true blood fan site" while on the homepage.

            Now if you click on a post , "true blood episode guide" the h1 tags is applied to post title, not the blog's title.
            Hey Nest, this blogger? have you changed the post titles as they are H2?
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            • Profile picture of the author nest28
              Originally Posted by dmtaylor247 View Post

              Hey Nest, this blogger? have you changed the post titles as they are H2?
              Yes I'm still using blogger.
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    I only use one H1 tag. I don't even use H2 and H3 anymore unless the article is really long.
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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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    If you have a chance to use an <h2> tag, defiantly do that, it's an easy trick to boost SERP CTR.

    Wikipedia does a lot of SEO that can easily be replicated on smaller sites.

    This screenshot below has a jump-link inside the SERP description, that jump-link is being triggered by a jump-link/anchor-text + <h2> tag on the Wikipedia page.

    Go to this link & you'll see the exact same jump-link/anchor-text on the original Wikipedia page that is also showing up in the Google SERP description. When you get on that Wikipedia page, do a browser page search for this exact phrase Future car technologies‎.



    Use a single <h1> tag for the main keyword your trying to rank for on that page, use the <h2> tag to rank additional keyword phrases, in the Wikipedia example, they are also ranking for the jump-link anchor-text that points to the <h2> title.





    The above screeshots are two separate keyword searches.

    This example is exactly what I keep telling everyone on this forum, don't focus on ranking a single page, rank multiple pages in small groups, keep it laser focused on the subject, not necessarily the exact keyword.
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    • Profile picture of the author GGpaul
      Originally Posted by yukon View Post

      If you have a chance to use an <h2> tag, defiantly do that, it's an easy trick to boost SERP CTR.

      Wikipedia does a lot of SEO that can easily be replicated on smaller sites.

      This screenshot below has a jump-link inside the SERP description, that jump-link is being triggered by a jump-link/anchor-text + <h2> tag on the Wikipedia page.

      Go to this link & you'll see the exact same jump-link/anchor-text on the original Wikipedia page that is also showing up in the Google SERP description. When you get on that Wikipedia page, do a browser page search for this exact phrase Future car technologies‎.



      Use a single <h1> tag for the main keyword your trying to rank for on that page, use the <h2> tag to rank additional keyword phrases, in the Wikipedia example, they are also ranking for the jump-link anchor-text that points to the <h2> title.





      The above screeshots are two separate keyword searches.

      This example is exactly what I keep telling everyone on this forum, don't focus on ranking a single page, rank multiple pages in small groups, keep it laser focused on the subject, not necessarily the exact keyword.
      Okay so let's say I have.....Toshiba LED TV as my MAIN keyword.
      I can have an h2 tag of "toshiba 32 inch led"

      another h2 tag "toshiba 3d led "

      all with an anchor text leading to those pages? Like you said I'll be ranking multiple pages in small groups. Not the exact keyword but they do have "toshiba in there"

      Now as far as the supporting pages go, should THEY also have supporting pages? Along with the H1, and the H2 with their own support. Now we're building tiers? lol.

      P.S. Thanks a lot. I'm one step closer to success.lol!
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      • Profile picture of the author yukon
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        Originally Posted by GGpaul View Post

        Okay so let's say I have.....Toshiba LED TV as my MAIN keyword.
        I can have an h2 tag of "toshiba 32 inch led"

        another h2 tag "toshiba 3d led "

        all with an anchor text leading to those pages? Like you said I'll be ranking multiple pages in small groups. Not the exact keyword but they do have "toshiba in there"

        Now as far as the supporting pages go, should THEY also have supporting pages? Along with the H1, and the H2 with their own support. Now we're building tiers? lol.

        P.S. Thanks a lot. I'm one step closer to success.lol!

        Basically all you have to do is take a large piece of content & break that content up into smaller bits of content.

        This would be a single page of text (article), the example isn't very creative as far as keywords (just a layout example):


        <h1>LED TV</h1>

        What Is Led Television?
        Latest in Television Technology
        Led TV Reviews
        Shopping for LED TVs



        <h2>What Is Led Television?</h2>
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        <h2>Latest in Television Technology</h2>
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        <h2>Led TV Reviews</h2>
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        <h2>Shopping for LED TVs</h2>
        Main article: Shopping for LED TVs
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        Each of the links in the top of the article are jump-links that jump down the page to their matching <h2> tags.

        Notice the last <h2> tag & the link below that tag. That link (Shopping for LED TVs) would point to a 2nd internal page that is 100% relevant to the keyword anchor-text (Shopping for LED TVs), it would be a larger article/sales-page/etc... on the same subject.

        All of the <h1>, <h2>, & hyperlinks are keywords I would be trying to rank for.
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        • Profile picture of the author GGpaul
          Originally Posted by yukon View Post

          Basically all you have to do is take a large piece of content & break that content up into smaller bits of content.

          This would be a single page of text (article), the example isn't very creative as far as keywords (just a layout example):




          Each of the links in the top of the article are jump-links that jump down the page to their matching <h2> tags.

          Notice the last <h2> tag & the link below that tag. That link (Shopping for LED TVs) would point to a 2nd internal page that is 100% relevant to the keyword anchor-text (Shopping for LED TVs), it would be a larger article/sales-page/etc... on the same subject.

          All of the <h1>, <h2>, & hyperlinks are keywords I would be trying to rank for.
          Wow so I have used this example and all I can say is that it has helped me out tremendously. I'm ranking this hard keyword, but I'm creating a lot of innerlinks with tons of supporting pages. This page wasn't ranked at all but as of today, it's now ranked 54 on Google. (Not that great but it's made a huge difference from not being in the serps and now anywhere from 5-7 page on Google).

          And now it's only going to get better because the inner pages/supporting pages will get ranked up as well.

          This is more fun than doing off page SEO in MY opinion. And it makes me want to do MORE research on the product that I'm offering, and to write MORE. As Paulgl would say, make a site that's towards something that YOU'RE interested in, where you have a passion for, and what not.

          Thanks Yukon.
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          • Profile picture of the author yukon
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            Originally Posted by GGpaul View Post

            Wow so I have used this example and all I can say is that it has helped me out tremendously. I'm ranking this hard keyword, but I'm creating a lot of innerlinks with tons of supporting pages. This page wasn't ranked at all but as of today, it's now ranked 54 on Google. (Not that great but it's made a huge difference from not being in the serps and now anywhere from 5-7 page on Google).

            And now it's only going to get better because the inner pages/supporting pages will get ranked up as well.

            This is more fun than doing off page SEO in MY opinion. And it makes me want to do MORE research on the product that I'm offering, and to write MORE. As Paulgl would say, make a site that's towards something that YOU'RE interested in, where you have a passion for, and what not.

            Thanks Yukon.
            If it's a tough competition keyword, my advice is to set a goal & focus on ranking 3 separate landing pages, try & keep the supporting pages spread out between the 3 target pages you want to rank.

            Group each target page + supporting pages into individual groups.

            Even If 2 of the 3 target pages don't rank for the main keyword, you'll still be building up massive SEO authority on the keyword (long term ranking in the SERPs), which will throw off the competition. Most people only look at external backlinks, which will end up being a fail for them.

            You still need a few quality external links, but the focused on-page SEO will lighten the external links workload a lot.

            Agreed, on-page SEO is more fun than off-page SEO, at least with on-page SEO you can be as creative as you want with the content/structure.

            I do have respect for the off-page SEO pros, personally, I couldn't deal with doing off-page SEO all day/everyday.

            I had a guy PM me the other day that has been working on his own silo site, he has a triple SERP listing for one of his keywords. I don't think he's been working on the site very long.

            This is why I highly recommend people to look at the BIG picture when trying to rank for a keyword, rank multiple pages per keyword, not a single page per keyword like the average webmaster does.
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    Yeah as a matter of fact your signature itself changed my life! LOL thanks Paul :p
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