If you survived penguin then you are safe for at least two years!

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Yes, What you read in title is true! I am saying this because of many terms. Let me come to the point:

# Does stock market crash every year?
# Does global economy sink every year?
# Does earthquake hit a country every year?
# Does Sunami hit every year?
# Does American soldier go to war every year?

If above things are not going to happen every year then you can be sure that you just can't see any massive Google update like penguin in these two years. So if your website is well ranked after penguin then you are going to be on the top position in Google till 2014,

After penguin update Google is solving bug issues as many respected sites are hit by this update. Fixing update is penguin 1.1, Also I have heard that they are fighting a case which was filled because of this update. They have huge number of shares in stock market. They will not do anything silly to lower their share price rate.

So congratulation to those webmasters whose websites are survived after this penguin update.

Thanks and hope you will agree with my points.
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  • Profile picture of the author dadamson
    The way Google updates their algorithm has no correlation with the stock market or really anything you are talking about.

    Google is impossible to predict.

    I would not be too surprised if they released another black and white furry animal update tomorrow.
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    • Profile picture of the author OneManSEO
      Originally Posted by dadamson View Post

      The way Google updates their algorithm has no correlation with the stock market or really anything you are talking about.

      Google is impossible to predict.

      I would not be too surprised if they released another black and white furry animal update tomorrow.
      I disagree. Google will pursue every avenue to clean up spam from the Internet and improve their organic listings for the end users - while capturing more income from Adwords.

      How they do it is the mystery. All you have to do is create good content both on and off your page and you should be fine. If not, then find out why and fix it!
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  • Profile picture of the author Apoorv82
    The examples you have given are unpredictable,so it means google updates are also unpredictable.So it can give a shock anytime.
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  • Profile picture of the author lovboa
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    So I guess if you survived Panda, then Penguin shouldn't have affected you either.
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    • Profile picture of the author nik0
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      Tell that to some of my clients who survived the 24th April Penguin update and got hit hard by the 25th/26th May Penguin 1.1 update :S

      Luckily for me this are clients that joined after the 24th and since then I mix up the anchor txt widely and removed any type of dubious links so can't blame myself on that cause if so then anyone can better quit seo.

      OP has somewhat of a point though (not 2 yrs ofcourse), the most heavy updates have come by now so it seems there is a big chance you are doing something okay. Obvious this does not count for brand new sites as they most probably still need to be evaluated before you can say anything wise about it.
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      • Profile picture of the author jewelraz
        Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

        Tell that to some of my clients who survived the 24th April Penguin update and got hit hard by the 25th/26th May Penguin 1.1 update :S

        Luckily for me this are clients that joined after the 24th and since then I mix up the anchor txt widely and removed any type of dubious links so can't blame myself on that cause if so then anyone can better quit seo.

        OP has somewhat of a point though (not 2 yrs ofcourse), the most heavy updates have come by now so it seems there is a big chance you are doing something okay. Obvious this does not count for brand new sites as they most probably still need to be evaluated before you can say anything wise about it.
        You can think this is the second phase. Like when japan was hit by 7.0 earthquake they expected a smaller earthquake would be occured real soon which actually hit after the big one. So, penguin 1.1 is just the small one.
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  • Profile picture of the author terryd
    Absolutely do not agree with what you say.

    It is ridiculous to suggest that just because other things experience a cyclical rotation that ones rankings are now safe......in fact I'd bet money on it that they are not......
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    • Profile picture of the author tylerherman
      I wouldn't say 2 years but now is the perfect time to build some cheap sites with maybe some questionable link building practices, hang onto them for 3-5 months and sell them.
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      • Profile picture of the author nik0
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        Originally Posted by tylerherman View Post

        I wouldn't say 2 years but now is the perfect time to build some cheap sites with maybe some questionable link building practices, hang onto them for 3-5 months and sell them.
        Personally I don't think that will work very well, it seems this was not a one time thing but definetly an alghorytm change, so the real questionable practises like direct spamming, will be caught on too soon, before you are even able to sell.

        You shouldn't ignore the ethical aspect either imo. I wouldn't feel good by selling such site. You can call me a pussy but spamming the net, all fine with me, but spamming / ranking and then selling, nah, you should gain your advantage yourself while it lasts.
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  • Profile picture of the author elzafonv
    good luck trying to predict the future. there are other ways to feel safe.

    don't put all your eggs in one basket. find other traffic sources if u didn't by now.

    there is a lot of traffic out there.
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  • Profile picture of the author ThatAblaze
    That's why I can't imagine buying sites.. I don't think anyone would sell a site unless they suspected that it wasn't going to keep it's position. If they have no faith in the site, why should you have any? If the old owner of the site wants to bail on it that's an automatic red flag in my book.
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    • Profile picture of the author nik0
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      Originally Posted by ThatAblaze View Post

      That's why I can't imagine buying sites.. I don't think anyone would sell a site unless they suspected that it wasn't going to keep it's position. If they have no faith in the site, why should you have any? If the old owner of the site wants to bail on it that's an automatic red flag in my book.
      Absolutely, I would never ever buy a site myself either, I already heavily regret it I didn't sell my site that made $250/month back then, now it's gone, could have brought in $3k lol. And back then I never realized I could lose it so easy, despite warnings from certain people. You got to love naieve people

      Besides that, I knew people who "were" pretty succesfull in buying under-performing sites and flipping them again with huge profits, I guess these very same people are definetly scratching behind their ears right now.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mantasmo
    **** sites + spam links are working really good right now. A friend of mine did a test with 10 fresh domains and 9 are currently top 3 (50 to 600 daily uniques each), with one site pulling in over $50/day over the last week. All of these are 3-4 weeks old and all got hit with massive link spam (incredible variety and anchor profiles though). Total cost for all 10 sites was maybe $1000, so he already made his money back.

    It's all short term monies of course, but beware of new sites popping up on flippa.

    I'm not saying that you should go back to MFA and link spam or whatever - those aren't long term business models. But that's just how things are right now.

    Originally Posted by ThatAblaze View Post

    That's why I can't imagine buying sites.. I don't think anyone would sell a site unless they suspected that it wasn't going to keep it's position. If they have no faith in the site, why should you have any? If the old owner of the site wants to bail on it that's an automatic red flag in my book.
    Yea there's a lot of "man I really need to sell this one asap" going on right now.
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    • Profile picture of the author nik0
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      Originally Posted by bnetwork View Post

      I'm not saying that you should go back to MFA and link spam or whatever - those aren't long term business models. But that's just how things are right now.

      Yea there's a lot of "man I really need to sell this one asap" going on right now.
      Day trading style SEO has definetly seemed to have reached it peaks nowadays!
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    Google is impossible to predict. So it's quite tough to say that.
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  • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
    I would say that this is a dumb thread, but that would be an insult to dumb people.

    A top ranking now does not mean you will maintain it until 2014. That is complete garbage. Your competitors can overtake you at any time. If you have been doing crappy SEO, Google may not have caught up with you yet, but they may have some new update in the coming months that will hammer your site.

    Natural disasters, economic downturns, and wars have no correlation to Google updates. Where did you come up with this ****?
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    • Profile picture of the author Nile Anderson
      There is only one way to be safe from Google's various updates and it is "Don't Use Black Hat Techniques To Increase SERP".
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    • Profile picture of the author jewelraz
      Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

      I would say that this is a dumb thread, but that would be an insult to dumb people.

      A top ranking now does not mean you will maintain it until 2014. That is complete garbage. Your competitors can overtake you at any time. If you have been doing crappy SEO, Google may not have caught up with you yet, but they may have some new update in the coming months that will hammer your site.

      Natural disasters, economic downturns, and wars have no correlation to Google updates. Where did you come up with this ****?
      Look here then decide. I think I know a bit more than you...
      Can you tell me exactly when google updated most devastating algo like penguin? You answer would be before 2010.
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      • Profile picture of the author Mantasmo
        Originally Posted by jewelraz View Post

        Look here then decide. I think I know a bit more than you...
        Can you tell me exactly when google updated most devastating algo like penguin? You answer would be before 2010.
        Hahahahhaha that's awesome! You should post more - get involved, answer some questions, help out struggling newbies, maybe even write up a guide of some sort?
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          Originally Posted by bnetwork View Post

          Hahahahhaha that's awesome! You should post more - get involved, answer some questions, help out struggling newbies, maybe even write up a guide of some sort?
          Seriously, what are you smoking? :confused:
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      • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
        Originally Posted by jewelraz View Post

        Look here then decide. I think I know a bit more than you...
        Can you tell me exactly when google updated most devastating algo like penguin? You answer would be before 2010.

        Your image proves nothing. I have no idea what you are getting at.

        As far as major updates by Google, Panda was in 2011 and far more "devastating" than Penguin, so no, the last big update was not before 2010.

        Your original post makes absolutely no sense.
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        • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
          Originally Posted by jewelraz View Post

          Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

          Your image proves nothing. I have no idea what you are getting at.
          I Do. Look closer Mike. That bank is owned by the world bank. They are run by the illuminati. The OP is trying to tell you something subliminally . This all ties in with the Mayan calendar. He's practically telegraphing you when the next major update will be

          Look closely at the image on this website. That eye looks just like Matt Cutt's

          The Illuminati

          look closer at the Proposed $100 dollar bill for 2014

          Google Image Result for http://oi51.tinypic.com/25tukop.jpg

          You'All just don't get it. 2014 it is.
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          • Profile picture of the author jewelraz
            Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

            I Do. Look closer Mike. That bank is owned by the world bank. They are run by the illuminati. The OP is trying to tell you something subliminally . This all ties in with the Mayan calendar. He's practically telegraphing you when the next major update will be

            Look closely at the image on this website. That eye looks just like Matt Cutt's

            The Illuminati

            look closer at the Proposed $100 dollar bill for 2014

            Google Image Result for http://oi51.tinypic.com/25tukop.jpg

            You'All just don't get it. 2014 it is.
            Mike Anthony, I searched with "Brac Bank Limited" and you can see it's showing "dutch Bangla Bank" Limited in top 10 result. Remember I was searching it in google.com not in Google.com.bd

            So, my point is after penguin 1.1 released why we are watching this kind of SERP? Some big website owners filled against this Penguin update. Because their money making respected websites suddenly disappears from SERP, I have read it in a seo blog.

            Google will update it's algo time to time but what I am trying to say is We will not see penguin type update real soon.

            I know about panda but never heard it kicked webmasters like penguin.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Mike I don't care what you say. This is a great Friday thread. I give the entertainment value minimum 4 out of 5 chuckles

      Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

      I would say that this is a dumb thread, but that would be an insult to dumb people.

      A top ranking now does not mean you will maintain it until 2014. That is complete garbage. Your competitors can overtake you at any time. If you have been doing crappy SEO, Google may not have caught up with you yet, but they may have some new update in the coming months that will hammer your site.

      Natural disasters, economic downturns, and wars have no correlation to Google updates. Where did you come up with this ****?
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  • Profile picture of the author tech84
    It looks unpredictable from *our point of view, but for someone who works there and would know the inner workings of google, they probably have a timeline for updates and what they're gonna do for future updates.
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    Headless chickens! I tell ya.
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    I'm not really sure about this, but if it does happen, I'd be happy.
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  • Profile picture of the author the goat
    Originally Posted by jewelraz View Post

    Yes, What you read in title is true! I am saying this because of many terms. Let me come to the point:

    # Does stock market crash every year?
    # Does global economy sink every year?
    # Does earthquake hit a country every year?
    # Does Sunami hit every year?
    # Does American soldier go to war every year?

    If above things are not going to happen every year then you can be sure that you just can't see any massive Google update like penguin in these two years. So if your website is well ranked after penguin then you are going to be on the top position in Google till 2014,

    After penguin update Google is solving bug issues as many respected sites are hit by this update. Fixing update is penguin 1.1, Also I have heard that they are fighting a case which was filled because of this update. They have huge number of shares in stock market. They will not do anything silly to lower their share price rate.

    So congratulation to those webmasters whose websites are survived after this penguin update.

    Thanks and hope you will agree with my points.
    Sounds like perfectly logical, scientific reasoning to me :rolleyes:
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  • Profile picture of the author lossman29
    I'd have to agree with Mike above and also with the fact that Google is simply unpredictable. You can never tell when they're going to update their algos unless you got someone inside their office. So, we should always be prepared for the worst and that's why you cannot take the foot off of SEO for even 1 second.
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  • Profile picture of the author John Romaine
    The highlight of this thread is that Mike Anthony is about to hit 5,000 posts.

    Apart from that, this thread blows.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by jewelraz View Post

      Mike Anthony, I searched with "Brac Bank Limited" and you can see it's showing "dutch Bangla Bank" Limited in top 10 result. Remember I was searching it in google.com not in Google.com.bd.................
      Google will update it's algo time to time but what I am trying to say is We will not see penguin type update real soon.

      Sorry OP . I see more of a connection to the illuminati

      Originally Posted by John Romaine View Post

      The highlight of this thread is that Mike Anthony is about to hit 5,000 posts.
      Post 5,000 will be quite a post Ramone. Unlike anything we have seen for awhile in this forum. No kidding. Been planning it for awhile. It will be like a WSO. Watch for it. It might even change the way you do SEO. I'll have some gems in there and probably a youtube video all free.
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      • Profile picture of the author John Romaine
        Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

        Post 5,000 will be quite a post Ramone. Unlike anything we have seen for awhile in this forum. No kidding. Been planning it for awhile. It will be like a WSO. Watch for it. It might even change the way you do SEO. I'll have some gems in there and probably a youtube video all free.
        I'll keep my bananas peeled.
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      • Profile picture of the author nik0
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        Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

        Sorry OP . I see more of a connection to the illuminati



        Post 5,000 will be quite a post Ramone. Unlike anything we have seen for awhile in this forum. No kidding. Been planning it for awhile. It will be like a WSO. Watch for it. It might even change the way you do SEO. I'll have some gems in there and probably a youtube video all free.
        Awesome can't wait for it
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          Ahh. Another lesson in who NOT to listen to about SEO and Google.

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        Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

        Unlike anything we have seen for awhile in this forum. No kidding. Been planning it for awhile. It will be like a WSO. Watch for it. It might even change the way you do SEO. I'll have some gems in there and probably a youtube video all free.


        MIND = BLOWN
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  • Profile picture of the author Shaun Tango
    There is no guaranteed amount of time you'll be safe for. As long as you rely on one source of traffic for income, you're putting your business at risk. As much as I love the traffic Google can send, you can't rely on them alone. It takes months to get any real traffic from them, but it can disappear overnight. Not ideal if you ask me...
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  • Profile picture of the author Mantasmo
    Thread of the year.

    Originally Posted by jewelraz View Post

    # Does stock market crash every year?
    # Does global economy sink every year?
    # Does earthquake hit a country every year?
    # Does Sunami hit every year?
    # Does American soldier go to war every year?
    I answered "YES" to most of these. What gives, OP?
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  • Profile picture of the author danb12
    Doubt it very much, 2 updates this year... its not the end
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  • Profile picture of the author sethczerepak
    This sounds like a good theory, but I agree with danb12, Google isn't done yet. If you really want to have nothing to worry about, start creating a better user experience with your content and stop all the trying to game Google. They've got a lot of money, they're going to catch up with you sooner or later..
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  • Profile picture of the author Steadyon
    Originally Posted by jewelraz View Post

    Yes, What you read in title is true! I am saying this because of many terms. Let me come to the point:

    # Does stock market crash every year?
    # Does global economy sink every year?
    # Does earthquake hit a country every year?
    # Does Sunami hit every year?
    # Does American soldier go to war every year?

    If above things are not going to happen every year then you can be sure that you just can't see any massive Google update like penguin in these two years. So if your website is well ranked after penguin then you are going to be on the top position in Google till 2014,

    After penguin update Google is solving bug issues as many respected sites are hit by this update. Fixing update is penguin 1.1, Also I have heard that they are fighting a case which was filled because of this update. They have huge number of shares in stock market. They will not do anything silly to lower their share price rate.

    So congratulation to those webmasters whose websites are survived after this penguin update.

    Thanks and hope you will agree with my points.

    Large asteroids only hit earth about every 100 million years, so per your logic, if you got through panda and penguin so far then your sites should be safe at least until 2014.

    But you can't guarantee that Google Parrot won't get you can you?

    I think the conclusions drawn in the opening thread are just about the most ridiculous things I have ever heard on the Warrior Forum and that is saying something
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    • Profile picture of the author Capbell
      Originally Posted by Steadyon View Post

      Large asteroids only hit earth about every 100 million years, so per your logic, if you got through panda and penguin so far then your sites should be safe at least until 2014.

      But you can't guarantee that Google Parrot won't get you can you?

      I think the conclusions drawn in the opening thread are just about the most ridiculous things I have ever heard on the Warrior Forum and that is saying something

      My thoughts exactly, most ridiculous thing i've ever read here!
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  • Profile picture of the author the goat
    Maybe Google updates are delivered by Halley's comet which means my rankings should hold steady until 2061. Guess I'll go to the beach...
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  • Profile picture of the author brettb
    No you are not safe. Some of my sites have been hit outside of the big updates.

    Many long established sites were decimated in this latest update, in fact my oldest sites were worst affected.
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  • Profile picture of the author jerrywhyte
    Google are just too unpredictable so i disagree with your points
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  • Profile picture of the author PokerF
    What a load of rubbish Making a direct comparison between Google Updates and The Stock Market, Really??
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  • Profile picture of the author Beardo
    This thread made my day.

    Does the Queen eat a swan for breakfast every day ?
    Do chipmunks light crack pipes with flame throwers ?
    Does Obama wear Romney's used underpants ?
    Do Olympic relay teams practice with dildos ?

    If you answered yes to any of the above, please take immediate action to fortify yourself
    against Pandaguin, this month's mother of all Google updates that will not only demote your site for using more than three exclaimation points per page but will also email your friends and tell them all your dirty little secrets. WSO pending.
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  • Profile picture of the author RayW
    Originally Posted by jewelraz View Post

    Yes, What you read in title is true! I am saying this because of many terms. Let me come to the point:

    # Does stock market crash every year?
    # Does global economy sink every year?
    # Does earthquake hit a country every year?
    # Does Sunami hit every year?
    # Does American soldier go to war every year?

    If above things are not going to happen every year then you can be sure that you just can't see any massive Google update like penguin in these two years. So if your website is well ranked after penguin then you are going to be on the top position in Google till 2014,

    After penguin update Google is solving bug issues as many respected sites are hit by this update. Fixing update is penguin 1.1, Also I have heard that they are fighting a case which was filled because of this update. They have huge number of shares in stock market. They will not do anything silly to lower their share price rate.

    So congratulation to those webmasters whose websites are survived after this penguin update.

    Thanks and hope you will agree with my points.
    This could very well be the stupidest thing I have ever heard in my entire life.
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  • Profile picture of the author nik0
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    Funny that this old thread gets bumped 2 years safe, but then there was Panda 2.0 and this EMD misery.
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  • Profile picture of the author jfambrini
    Google will keep bringing new updates until we all become Google's customers. It is a for profit company and it makes nothing when customers get relevant results from organic searches.
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  • Profile picture of the author satrap
    Originally Posted by jewelraz View Post

    # Does earthquake hit a country every year?
    # Does Sunami hit every year?
    I love these 2. At least the other 3 can be manipulated by humans, so there is at least one connection between those and Google updates, but these 2?...

    Now I know all those people who have been saying Google is taking over the world have been right all along. Google really is THE GOD!
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    I don't think anybody can say when the next axe will fall
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  • Profile picture of the author terryd
    Guess View Profile: jewelraz feels like a fool now.....unless it's been two years since he made his "prediction"
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  • Profile picture of the author aadi144
    Originally Posted by jewelraz View Post

    Yes, What you read in title is true! I am saying this because of many terms. Let me come to the point:

    # Does stock market crash every year?
    # Does global economy sink every year?
    # Does earthquake hit a country every year?
    # Does Sunami hit every year?
    # Does American soldier go to war every year?

    If above things are not going to happen every year then you can be sure that you just can't see any massive Google update like penguin in these two years. So if your website is well ranked after penguin then you are going to be on the top position in Google till 2014,

    After penguin update Google is solving bug issues as many respected sites are hit by this update. Fixing update is penguin 1.1, Also I have heard that they are fighting a case which was filled because of this update. They have huge number of shares in stock market. They will not do anything silly to lower their share price rate.

    So congratulation to those webmasters whose websites are survived after this penguin update.

    Thanks and hope you will agree with my points.
    I am not satisfied at all with what you have said.There is no co-relation between all these facts and updates from Google and Panda can be there any
    time.
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  • Profile picture of the author Berkinb
    The OP was wrong but that can happen to any psychic.

    Now, the good news is that you don't need 2 years!

    The Mayans predicted the end of SEO: Google will deindex all affiliate/adsense/e-commerce sites by December 2012.

    So, create crappy sites with a shitload of links today and earn while the Internet is here. There is not much time.
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  • in cannot believe this..google is unpredictable
    they can bring updates anytime..
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