Is Link Pyramid with web 2.0 still working post penguin?

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Hello,
Senior Warriors can you please suggest if web 2.0 pattern of link pyramid are still working post penguin or not? I am trying to research a lot over the same want to know your opinion to know how to create a successful link pyramid post penguin for successful results?

Will wait for all senior warriors reply over the same as I hope this thread may help to many with FAQs over the web 2.0 and link pyramid in community here at WF.
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  • Profile picture of the author scottmacair
    Web 2 link pyramids still work but avoid spinning and blasting.

    Personally i don't spin nor do i recommend it but if you spin by hand at paragraph, sentence and word level making sure the content reads ok then you can get away with it.....for now.

    When creating a web 2 pyramid aim to keep the cluster pointing directly at your money site very tight and over time try to make these sites pass decent link juice by building backlinks to upper tiers. More time should be spent building properties to tiers than directly to a money site.

    You'll find it difficult to rank competitive keywords with web 2's alone. More varied link sources are required and decent PR links will make a huge difference. At the moment guest blogging appears to be a good way of getting decent PR links that count.

    A safer way to use web 2's is to find natural links pointing to your site and then beef em up with a web 2 pyramid, just make sure the natural link is dofollow or you'll be wasting your time unless there is also traffic value. SEO Majestic / MOZ Tools / Link Research Tools / Traffic Travis will all tell you the top links pointing to a site - work on the top ones first. When enhancing natural links to pass more juice apply the same diligence you would to your own money sites; there is no point in penalizing a page that naturally links to your site.

    There's a lot more to say on this subject but for now that should give you something to think about
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    • Profile picture of the author andishm
      Originally Posted by scottmacair View Post

      Web 2 link pyramids still work but avoid spinning and blasting.

      Personally i don't spin nor do i recommend it but if you spin by hand at paragraph, sentence and word level making sure the content reads ok then you can get away with it.....for now.

      There's a lot more to say on this subject but for now that should give you something to think about
      Do you mean to say create web 2.0 properties linking to money site with fresh unique content without spin and then create other level properties for backlinking over time instead of blasting in a week or so like that is this ?

      Kindly clarify if possible... the structure you recommend a little bit more...
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      • Profile picture of the author scottmacair
        Originally Posted by andishm View Post

        Do you mean to say create web 2.0 properties linking to money site with fresh unique content without spin and then create other level properties for backlinking over time instead of blasting in a week or so like that is this ?

        Kindly clarify if possible... the structure you recommend a little bit more...
        Yes i think you've got the idea but also look at what's best use of your resources for example a good guest blog post on an aged domain can overshadow a 1000 newly created web 2 links. It's also not all about links that pass juice, it's about traffic that converts; more of my links / content is aimed at good traffic sources.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jon Paella
    When creating a web 2 pyramid aim to keep the cluster pointing directly at your money site very tight
    Scott, could you elaborate on what you mean by keeping the cluster tight?
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    • Profile picture of the author scottmacair
      Originally Posted by Jon Paella View Post

      Scott, could you elaborate on what you mean by keeping the cluster tight?
      Certainly. By tight I mean a small group of web 2's, not masses. When you have developed a cluster web 2's by backlinking those links then you can think about creating another cluster of web 2's. The idea is that every web 2 will have a link trail going back a few layers, mix in a few other links to authority sites along the way keeping everything natural i.e. avoid a direct link trail back to your money site alone.
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  • Profile picture of the author sackboy127
    The above is a really powerful method, there's no way Google will penalise links with completely unique content to your site.

    So yeah, 1st Tier: Highest quality Web 2.0s with unique content.
    2nd Tier: Additional Web 2.0s, Wikis, Social Bookmarks, etc. Now you can use spun content (ideally spun on the sentence level as well).

    + Diversify the links to your money site with other types as well, and you're golden!
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    • Profile picture of the author wilsonm
      Originally Posted by sackboy127 View Post

      So yeah, 1st Tier: Highest quality Web 2.0s with unique content.
      2nd Tier: Additional Web 2.0s, Wikis, Social Bookmarks, etc. Now you can use spun content (ideally spun on the sentence level as well).
      Is this something you tested out? I tried creating tier 2 with the likes of wikis, social bookmarks etc through automation and my sites tanked! I think Penguin is sophisticated enough to seek spam further down the line slap the money site.
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      • Profile picture of the author scottmacair
        Originally Posted by wilsonm View Post

        Is this something you tested out? I tried creating tier 2 with the likes of wikis, social bookmarks etc through automation and my sites tanked! I think Penguin is sophisticated enough to seek spam further down the line slap the money site.
        If you blasted out links with automated software then yes Penguin will react to that. There is no point to blast links to any tier. It amazes me how many SEO services I still see with tier 2 /3 /4 blasting going on....bad idea, as all of those spam links point back to your money site eventually.

        If you want to rank post penguin reliably you have to build links that are not spam.
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        • Profile picture of the author wilsonm
          Originally Posted by scottmacair View Post

          If you want to rank post penguin reliably you have to build links that are not spam.
          To web 2.0s, what type of links could one seek out? Ideally something that is the quick and cheap.

          Post Penguin, there have been a number of threads on here which recommended connecting web 2.0s with wiki blasts, social bookmarking blasts, etc. For whatever reason, they are not working.
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  • Profile picture of the author olavlind
    If you have time to wait a week or two, i'll do a test case with one of my blogs and let you know :-)

    I have been meaning to do this with one of my blogs anyway. Thanks for kicking my butt into gear ;-)

    ~Olav
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  • Profile picture of the author Jon Paella
    Thanks Scott. In other words, it's better to focus on a few Web 2.0 (maybe 5?) first and then add layers (additional tiers linking back to the Web 2.0), than to get like 20 Web 2.0 and not be able to add in the layers - depth, rather than breadth right?

    Also, you mentioned well spun articles that is done paragraph, sentence and word/phrase. Do you do that or this is just an acceptable alternative if one doesn't do totally unique content? I would think that doing well spun content is so much cheaper as at $5 an article, if you get 5 Web 2.0 and then unique articles also for your 3rd tier linking to the Web 2.0, that would be quite costly. What do you think?
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  • Profile picture of the author andishm
    I too agree to Jon, that it may be very costly to have 100% Unique Content at layer 2 or downwards in link pyramid.

    Will wait to see what other warriors says on the same...
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  • Profile picture of the author Jennycall
    Yes, I think
    Tier 1: Blog post high PR or Web 2.0 with content good, use {key primary|...} and {here|go here|...}
    Tier 2: Web 2.0, Boobarking, Rss, Ping..., Key = {key primary|...}
    Tier 3: Backlink forums, Forums post..., key = {key primary|...}
    I'm Checking this solution and I think it is good,
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    • Profile picture of the author Jonyeoo
      Originally Posted by Jennycall View Post

      Yes, I think
      Tier 1: Blog post high PR or Web 2.0 with content good, use {key primary|...} and {here|go here|...}
      Tier 2: Web 2.0, Boobarking, Rss, Ping..., Key = {key primary|...}
      Tier 3: Backlink forums, Forums post..., key = {key primary|...}
      I'm Checking this solution and I think it is good,
      Just to add about this, i heard that google is also pressing down with people using back links with just the main keyword as the anchor text. From what i read, its best to vary your anchor text with maybe other synonyms. However, i'm not that clear on that, maybe someone can correct me or confirm what i am saying
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  • Profile picture of the author Ohioquotes
    "best to vary your anchor text"

    That is definitely one of the post-Penguin rules to abide by.
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  • Profile picture of the author DeMango25
    web 2.0 pyramids are a big part of my seo strategy and it still works like a charm! Just make sure the content on the web 2.0 pages is quality (if possible all manual and not spun) and the lower you go in the pyramid, the lower the quality gets... that's how I do it anyway.
    example: web 2.0 pages <- article submission <- forum profiles, blog comments, and then social bookmark the whole structure
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    • Profile picture of the author wilsonm
      Originally Posted by DeMango25 View Post

      web 2.0 pyramids are a big part of my seo strategy and it still works like a charm! Just make sure the content on the web 2.0 pages is quality (if possible all manual and not spun) and the lower you go in the pyramid, the lower the quality gets... that's how I do it anyway.
      example: web 2.0 pages <- article submission <- forum profiles, blog comments, and then social bookmark the whole structure
      I don't know if my site is experiencing Google dance but I developed 20 web 2.0 properties. All had unique content, these were then backlinked by wikis and social bookmarking. As soon as the social bookmarking was done, the site which was on the second page moved to 100+. The wikis and the social bookmarking was done through fiverr gigs. I did submit web2.0s to:

      Profit Instruments: Quick Index Tool

      in order to get them indexed. Also the fiverr seller from whom I ordered the wikis gave me a bonus! The bonus was 10,000 blog spam to web2.0. Wish I could discover a winning formula in light of Penguin.
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  • Profile picture of the author gearmonkey
    I use Magic Submitter. Just hire someone on fiverr to write articles for you. There was someone on there selling EIGHT 200 word articles for $5. That's a bargain.
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    • Profile picture of the author kaluuu
      Originally Posted by gearmonkey View Post

      I use Magic Submitter. Just hire someone on fiverr to write articles for you. There was someone on there selling EIGHT 200 word articles for $5. That's a bargain.

      200 word articles are enough? I usually make them at least 350 ....
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      • Profile picture of the author swi7ch
        Originally Posted by kaluuu View Post

        200 word articles are enough? I usually make them at least 350 ....
        350? Ew. I never go below 500 words on my spun content. Unique content are 1000 words. Always.

        Originally Posted by andishm View Post

        In this time of negative feedback or experience will anybody please share way to create a successful link pyramid of web 2.0 properties?
        The general idea is that you create a few web 2.0 properties with high PR that point to your money site. You MUST treat these web 2.0s as if they are real/legit sites---no spun content, 500+ word articles, images, videos, premium themes, updated once or twice a week with unique content, the whole shebang.

        Then your next lower tier will have different web 2.0s pointing to your first tier 2.0s (but not to your money site) and these can have spun content, more spammy links, etc. If I have 20 web 2.0s in my T1, I try to have 40 on my T2 web 2.0s. These should NOT be the same as your web 2.0s in your first tier!!!

        Then you use a third tier of sources to backlink your backlinks (meaning your two tiers of web 2.0s). Use Lindexed or some such service.

        Of course, you should not do just this. This is just a very simple/basic example. You must diversify your link sources (article directories, social bookmarks, blogs, wikis, doc sites, etc.) as well as your anchor texts. The higher the PR, the better. High PRs you must treat like your money sites and give them special attention. If you want more ideas, head over to the For Hire section and look at how SEO services have their manual campaigns set up.
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  • Profile picture of the author andishm
    In this time of negative feedback or experience will anybody please share way to create a successful link pyramid of web 2.0 properties?
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  • Profile picture of the author PriceMaster
    You should be safe because you can't actually control someone else linking to you and no matter how many backlinks they actually have. It can just be beneficial IMO and can't cause you any harm.

    Extremely long and big link-wheels are always easy to get tracked and are always frowned upon.
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  • Profile picture of the author andishm
    Do other warriors still se such link pyramid safer to deal with money sites for back link which consists of multi tiers and few low quality links at the bottom most part of pyramids?
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    • Profile picture of the author marco005
      Hi,

      there is a fiverr gig bydonostark who has thousands of positive reviews (backlink pyramid).

      What is best and safe way to rank fast on page 1 in google;

      1.to link these huge backlink pyramid direct to my sniper money site (emd domain)

      2.link these backlink pyramid to a web2.0 site first and from them to my money site?

      best wishes
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      • Profile picture of the author stewane
        I monitor a bunch of client sites and the one that dropped 40 spots + were ALL web2.0 back-links that even had unique content - This update affects Web2.0s backlinks explicitly whether only Web2.0 remains the question. I'm wondering about "irrelevant" high PR links. Any one know about this one?
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  • Profile picture of the author imranfaq
    Hi Warriors !

    I think so we have to wait at least this week, still SERP's are dancing, update not settled yet.
    Then discuss a strong strategy which prevent our money sites from future updates, we have to follow Google guidelines with pure white hat strategies.

    Imran
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    • Profile picture of the author yukon
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      Originally Posted by imranfaq View Post

      Hi Warriors !

      I think so we have to wait at least this week, still SERP's are dancing, update not settled yet.
      Then discuss a strong strategy which prevent our money sites from future updates, we have to follow Google guidelines with pure white hat strategies.

      Imran
      ...or build quality links with good on-page SEO & rank long term.

      That last Google update was weak. If anything the Hummingbird update should make ranking longtails even easier. Build FAQ pages about your product/service.
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      • Profile picture of the author imranfaq
        Originally Posted by yukon View Post

        ...or build quality links with good on-page SEO & rank long term.

        That last Google update was weak. If anything the Hummingbird update should make ranking longtails even easier. Build FAQ pages about your product/service.
        Dear Yukon

        Can u recommend some good back-link strategies as you are experienced guy in SEO, from where to take start, I mean recommend any link removal service good and affordable, what type of links now focus on....

        Regards

        Imran
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    • Profile picture of the author stewane
      @IMRANFAQ...Yep...adding more:

      There is a gentleman that is a GENIOUS at deconstructing what happened and why site were hit. Chris Semper (link detox tool the best tool to sniff out bad links. You can try it free here: FREE TRIAL for LinkResearchTools [THIS IS NOT MY AFFILIATE LINK - BUT A LINK THAT HE HAS AS A TRACKER] He will in a few days/weeks have some certified personnel deconstruct the update. They did this Lifed.com - How Penguin 2.0 killed a high traffic blog but is a long read - Just download link detox to see what's problematic as far as links.

      Here is how to proceed: The way to go forward is doing things that are "harder" to get as close to white hat strategies. Let me remind you that "close" to whitehat is the idea of ACTIVELY seeking link, etc. Google THINKS Whitehat is a process that should happen "naturally" - write quality share-able content and you will have no problems. I would not be surprised if "close to white hat" get slapped just like press realeases and Web2.0s. Of course, we all know Google considers to be whitehat is BS because your site would take 5 years to rank for competitive words.

      Lemme see, that site that promotes your "genital warts" product is going to get lots of natural links...yeaaaahhh right!! Who is going to admit they have genital warts and link to yout product with a link. You get my drift. Google's idea of "natural" links is BS

      You will now have to email site owners in your niche to get links. Do "real" social media that gets "conversations" going about your brand. You will have to pitch stories to media outlets so that you get a "real" legitimate link. You will have to have a 4 tier link system. The first tier to your money site has to look like an actual site with multiple updated content on some "frequent" basis and not just want page crap. This take a lot of time to do - why we site owners went to Web2.0 to solve this problem - it has bitten us - short term gains.

      Big shop SEOs can justify $10,000/mo + budgets because SEO done "right" is labor intensive [True White Hat] involves emailing site owners in your niche to get links. Getting some high PR links from INSIDE/PRIVATE networks that they build them selves which is expensive. Getting the "press" to cover their clients. You've seen those shitty Yahoo and CNN articles that looks like an "advertisement" for a company and barely newsworthy. Apple rings a bell?

      The problem now is how to serve the "small mom and pop" businesses which many of us tried to help and work withing their budgets. They get squeezed hard. To where you will have to say sorry I can only do this for $1,000 per month plus because Google has changed their algorything and we are starting from "scratch"
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  • Profile picture of the author jinx1221
    Instead of having to write another exhaustive explanation like I did in this similar thread:

    http://www.warriorforum.com/adsense-...uin-2-1-a.html

    I will just sum it up like this:

    Don't post obvious spun garbage *
    Don't blast your properties *

    * not on any of them -tier 1 or tier 342

    Do post relevant, quality content with contextual links **

    ** on all of them - tier 1 thru tier 342

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  • Profile picture of the author Suppaman
    According to my results, these links won't help you for medium and difficult keyword. For stronger kw you need guest posting and high pr links.
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