How to maximize my SEO campaign with web 2.0s?

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I am running my SEO campaign all on manual in-house building. The competition for my niche does not require drastic SEO measures, but like most SEO campaigns it requires a bit of strategy.

I have decided to use a strategy that is simple and has been working on a minimal level, now I want to scale it up just a bit.

Rankings so far with my basic methods.


What I am doing is creating some web 2.0s and manual blog commenting of all varieties of PR, no-follow, do-follow, within my niche topic. The goal is to make about 10 blog comments a day getting about 6 high PR comments. I want to add a solid web 2.0 presence and social bookmarking (is a social bookmark basicly a link from facebook, twitter and other social sites?)

Would you recommend 10 web 2.0 links a day? If so, whats the best way to get that? 10 unique pieces of content ex. 4 articles, 2 slideshows, 2 documents, 2 videos? Doesn't that seem a little difficult?

I HATE WASTING TIME

If I have to make 10 unique pieces of content I will, but I KNOW there is a better way and I am looking for answers! I just want to make the most out of my day!
#campaign #maximize #seo #web #web 2.0
  • Profile picture of the author affiliaterbuzz
    just be careful cause this may turn bad on your website
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  • Profile picture of the author Tiiberiuss
    I think you would build way too many links and leave footprint. Make sure you vary anchor text a lot.
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    • Profile picture of the author nikeman070
      Originally Posted by Tiiberiuss View Post

      I think you would build way too many links and leave footprint. Make sure you vary anchor text a lot.
      Yeah I am always careful about anchor text... I just do not want to leave my site sitting there I want to take action..

      There is no way if I created 10 high quality articles a day and had a link back to my site would I get into any kind of penalty that is just pure BS! @affiliaterbuzz what kind of advice is that? quit trying to getting your post count up!

      The question here is how do I maximize my time more efficiently if I spent 10 hrs a day building content getting involved on social sites and blog commenting what is a good number of web 2.0s to get?


      Also 20 links a day is to many? I don't think so... but I could be wrong.
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      • Profile picture of the author GodMode52
        Originally Posted by nikeman070 View Post

        @affiliaterbuzz what kind of advice is that? quit trying to getting your post count up!
        +1 for this.

        Anyway about your question focus on quality not on quantity , once you have 50-60 web 2.0 blogs around your money site is more than enough. You should focus on indexing those proprieties and making them stronger.
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        • Profile picture of the author alquimista
          Also 20 links a day is to many? I don't think so... but I could be wrong.
          I heard long ago an advice about that, and it made so much sense to me that still today is one of my basic points when building links:

          Don't build more links to a page than views that page has.

          You see, how many links are too many depends on the page where they are pointing to. If it's a new page, with one, two or none visits a day (and if Google knows it, because you are using Google Analytics or adsense) then it just doesn't look natural if it's getting 20 links a day. One way to "maximize your time more efficiently", as you put it, would be to build only one web2.0 property a day at the begining, while the money site is growing, but then build links to that web2.0 (tier1) property.

          I'm with GodMode52, both in focusing in quality, not quantity, and in the +1 given...
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          • Profile picture of the author OvaisAhsan
            Yes, creating Web 2.0 links is a great way to generate in-content backlinks. However, just to add a little:

            When you create Web 2.0 properties, do not link instantly after creating them. Wait till they get Indexed by Google and then place your website link.

            Good day...
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          • Profile picture of the author nikeman070
            Originally Posted by wilsonm View Post

            A better way if you are living somewhere like the USA or the UK is to start your offline business or get a job in high paying industry (think dentist, lawyer, etc). These sorts of measures are only going to earn you pennies (unless you have thousands to invest and are willing to take a gamble).

            Most of this IM lark is only good for people living in places like Phillipines, etc where $8 a day can go a long way.

            Google and the Penguin hurt a lot in a big big way. Back then all you needed was a spun article and you are on the first page. Now creating 10+ web2.0s with unqiue content etc, I am not sure if it is worth the effort for the time put it.

            My 2 pennies worth there.
            Seems like you have no faith. Lark: a carefree adventure or frolic

            Yeah if you look at IM as "lark" then offline is for you.

            On the other hand if you look at it as a "business" and have a plan in place then with a few modifications and a lot of learning you can turn that plan into profit.

            Even if I were to take over an offline business, what would be a lucrative way for me to run my business? SEO perhaps? ranking for local terms? How could I ever possibly do that? hmm maybe learn SEO and play around with it, eventually get good then I can apply that skill to anything... Directory sites, niche sites, sites for artists, local businesses the list goes on!

            Let me guess you're one of those people who has lost faith because of Penguin? This is just silly to me and I really don't think I have to explain why, but if you must know, where there is a problem there is a solution, IMO penguin is for the best. Creating high quality content and being anti-spammy is the best way to do business and frankly IM is a business.

            Have a plan and be genuine don't be that grease ball cars salesmen LMAO.



            Originally Posted by GodMode52 View Post

            +1 for this.

            Anyway about your question focus on quality not on quantity , once you have 50-60 web 2.0 blogs around your money site is more than enough. You should focus on indexing those proprieties and making them stronger.
            Perfect, this puts things into perspective for me. When other people were talking about their strategy I got lost when they mentioned create 20 web 2.0 properties I did not know it meant just create 20-50 and stop that tier, then move onto building links to that tier, I thought it was key to be active on these web 2.0s and keep posting regularly. I guess it's ok to have 1-2 pieces of content per 2.0 as long as they are quality.

            Does that sound right? Focus time and energy on 50-60 pieces of content to 50 seperate web 2.0s or say 20 on squidoo, 20 on wordpress, and 20 on hubpages?

            If you can answer that then the things will tick.

            Originally Posted by alquimista View Post

            I heard long ago an advice about that, and it made so much sense to me that still today is one of my basic points when building links:

            Don't build more links to a page than views that page has.

            You see, how many links are too many depends on the page where they are pointing to. If it's a new page, with one, two or none visits a day (and if Google knows it, because you are using Google Analytics or adsense) then it just doesn't look natural if it's getting 20 links a day. One way to "maximize your time more efficiently", as you put it, would be to build only one web2.0 property a day at the begining, while the money site is growing, but then build links to that web2.0 (tier1) property.

            I'm with GodMode52, both in focusing in quality, not quantity, and in the +1 given...
            Yeah this is a great perspective and it does make a lot of sense. Though I do believe it's ok to have more links than visits because I am sure the brilliant minds at google understand brand owners and web masters have to ignite the process a bit (this is something I think people overlook) they expect webmasters, brand owners, businesses to promote thier site on social networks, blog commenting, I am sure they consider those folks may produce content on other webpages like youtube and they know without a doubt the webmaster is going to link back.

            So I do agree, keep it looking natural 1,000 links to a page that has 10 visits is obvious but 20-30 links I think would be less. Also I did not mean 20 links to one specific page I meant 20 links per day, varying pages, which turns out to be about 2-5 links per page a day.
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  • Profile picture of the author wilsonm
    A better way if you are living somewhere like the USA or the UK is to start your offline business or get a job in high paying industry (think dentist, lawyer, etc). These sorts of measures are only going to earn you pennies (unless you have thousands to invest and are willing to take a gamble).

    Most of this IM lark is only good for people living in places like Phillipines, etc where $8 a day can go a long way.

    Google and the Penguin hurt a lot in a big big way. Back then all you needed was a spun article and you are on the first page. Now creating 10+ web2.0s with unqiue content etc, I am not sure if it is worth the effort for the time put it.

    My 2 pennies worth there.
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    • Profile picture of the author debra
      This is what I would do:

      Instead of building out content on generic web2.0 properties, I would seek out niche focused properties and become a contributor. Some of these niched authority sites allow you to setup a blog within their community.

      Just as an example, if I had a car related site that sells auto parts:

      Seek out contributor opportunities from:
      carcraft.com (exposure to 90k+ monthly unique)
      hotrod.com (exposure to 173k+ monthly unique)
      modifiedcars.com (exposure to 25k+ monthly unique)
      cardomain.com (exposure to 1.8M+ monthly unique)

      Then add forum activity from:
      hotrodders.com/forums
      truestreetcars.com

      Then there are niched out directories, classifieds, news outlets, etc.....

      That's just a start (kinda)
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      • Profile picture of the author nikeman070
        Originally Posted by debra View Post

        This is what I would do:

        Instead of building out content on generic web2.0 properties, I would seek out niche focused properties and become a contributor. Some of these niched authority sites allow you to setup a blog within their community.

        Just as an example, if I had a car related site that sells auto parts:

        Seek out contributor opportunities from:
        carcraft.com (exposure to 90k+ monthly unique)
        hotrod.com (exposure to 173k+ monthly unique)
        modifiedcars.com (exposure to 25k+ monthly unique)
        cardomain.com (exposure to 1.8M+ monthly unique)

        Then add forum activity from:
        hotrodders.com/forums
        truestreetcars.com

        Then there are niched out directories, classifieds, news outlets, etc.....

        That's just a start (kinda)
        This is actually a brilliant idea.. Ok I think this is essential because I have noticed a pattern like this with the top sites on google using SEO spyglass and analyzing their links, most of them come from niche related authority sites like you mentioned. Now that explains that!

        Could you advise me on how to get the word out to the webmasters? Obviously contact them but is there specific things I should mention, is there a certain criteria I need to meet, and do you think I would have to show them something?

        Also what do you mean add forum activity, you mean becoming active on niche related forums? If so I have a hard time seeing the benefit in that?
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        • Profile picture of the author debra
          Originally Posted by nikeman070 View Post

          This is actually a brilliant idea.. Ok I think this is essential because I have noticed a pattern like this with the top sites on google using SEO spyglass and analyzing their links, most of them come from niche related authority sites like you mentioned. Now that explains that!

          Could you advise me on how to get the word out to the webmasters? Obviously contact them but is there specific things I should mention, is there a certain criteria I need to meet, and do you think I would have to show them something?

          Also what do you mean add forum activity, you mean becoming active on niche related forums? If so I have a hard time seeing the benefit in that?
          You initially get ahold of them through their contact form on the site. The higher quality ones, like automobilemag.com, will require you to send in the article along with any model release forms. You can get those forms off the net. They will also syndicate the content across multiple properties most of the time.

          This is what I did one time. Texas Motor Speedway was not to far from here. There was a major race and quite a few ppl were going but, not me...no way...too crowded. Anyways, that's just me.

          So...I paid the ticket plus a little cash for a high school senior that was in photography classes to go for me. With the understanding that he would take pics of the race cars up close and personal. At the same time I had him on his cell phone, going back and worth about pics he was taking. I also was talking to him about what it was like for him to be there. I wrote everything down, made my notes. Then handed those notes to a professional journalist from the community college. Paid him 50 bucks to write the editorial. I matched the pics to the article that was written. Sent it in with the signed releases that the kid got while he was there.

          I was out a total of 110 bucks and I got paid for the piece from the mag 150 bucks plus, I got authority links out the wazoo for my client, and he paid me 250 bucks for the lot. Don't know about you but that made me very happy.

          oh btw...the forum activity. I join about three to four of the most active forums in the niche. I only end up keeping and interacting with the one that is the most responsive. The rest of them I just let them die out. But, I do it for link diversity more than anything. After a while you only have to make an appearance about twice a month.
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  • Profile picture of the author Alex The Lion
    Originally Posted by nikeman070 View Post

    I want to add a solid web 2.0 presence and social bookmarking (is a social bookmark basicly a link from facebook, twitter and other social sites?)
    Facebook and Twitter are just 2 of a large list of powerful Social Bookmarks. I'm sure you already understand the insane power of quality Manual Social Bookmarks. However, though SBs are extremely powerful when done correctly, because Google loves Authority links and Social Signals, they are very time consuming to create.

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  • Profile picture of the author nikeman070
    @Debra very interesting you did that. That is taking your business seriously! Which I have to point that out to @wilsonm you see if you take your IM "lark" serious like this then you will make it!

    Also that was a lot of risk, you could have did all that and the webmaster could have turned you down. You made sure they absolutely could not turn you down though by taking extra measure, so good job.
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    • Profile picture of the author debra
      Originally Posted by nikeman070 View Post

      @Debra very interesting you did that. That is taking your business seriously! Which I have to point that out to @wilsonm you see if you take your IM "lark" serious like this then you will make it!

      Also that was a lot of risk, you could have did all that and the webmaster could have turned you down. You made sure they absolutely could not turn you down though by taking extra measure, so good job.
      I also thought about the possibility of being rejected even though I thought I had a solid plan. Either way...I needed to make sure that I came out on top.

      One single word kept me from hitting rock bottom...Re-purposing!

      Those images (pics), well, I had plans for them beyond the esthetics of the article. With a little watermark and PhotoShop they are becoming facebook timeline headers, wallpapers, twitter backgrounds ..etc. (a couple years ago I did quite a few nfl teams) You want a Chicago Bears one? How about the Hawks? Got those too.

      Those images will also be optimized and given out freely across all kinds of platforms. Most ppl think that image optimization is about the image name and the alt tag. Those things are on page attributes.

      Images are sent by binary code. Meaning...Google and all search engines can read them and index them accordingly. A part of image optimization is setting the properties of the image. I can set the images authorship, domain names, url...all sorts of goodie info about a site. Even down to giving credit to a page.

      If you create good content...you Own It! And if you own it, you can control it.

      Anyway, I'll let you have your thread back. I seemed to have gotten on a roll when I read wilsonm little attitude rant. I just wanted to let ppl know that with a little creative thinking and common sense, Penguin, Panda and any other cute little furry creatures don't really add up to much.
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  • Profile picture of the author nikeman070
    @Debra I'm a huge Bulls fan! I also like the Black Hawks and Bears, I would love one!

    I seemed to have gotten on a roll when I read wilsonm little attitude rant. I just wanted to let ppl know that with a little creative thinking and common sense, Penguin, Panda and any other cute little furry creatures don't really add up to much.
    I agree, it bugs me to see people saying things like SEO is dead or penguin is futile towards IM now. If SEO is dead and IM is only good for people in the Philippines then how would the internet survive? Do you really think the innovators and successful web masters are investing hours of work into the internet for fun? Even the smaller guys can still take a chunk out of the huge pie, google adsense would be a lost cause, affiliate marketing would be dead, businesses would loose a lot of exposure. I mean the list goes on, by you saying IM is not good for folks here in the US and UK is saying the internet is dead! Where did your logic come from? The internet is amazing for IM there is so much potential, if you don't see the bigger picture now you never will!

    That said there are key ingredients to becoming successful online, SEO is huge and all I am trying to do is learn it, I have a certain way I learn things but when things click oh boy am I am going to be hard to stop. I will admit I am a slower learner but thats okay I am able to embrace things more efficiently.
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    • Profile picture of the author yourmichalle
      Originally Posted by nikeman070 View Post



      If SEO is dead and IM is only good for people in the Philippines then how would the internet survive? Do you really think the innovators and successful web masters are investing hours of work into the internet for fun? Even the smaller guys can still take a chunk out of the huge pie, google adsense would be a lost cause, affiliate marketing would be dead, businesses would loose a lot of exposure. I mean the list goes on, by you saying IM is not good for folks here in the US and UK is saying the internet is dead! Where did your logic come from? The internet is amazing for IM there is so much potential, if you don't see the bigger picture now you never will!
      well done, i like your opinion
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  • Profile picture of the author nikeman070
    Back to the thread though... Here is my opinion about a lot of the SEO talk, first it's great, but you can get overloaded with info and a lot of what is being said is usually strategies for med to high comp keywords, which is vital info but there is no strategy for ranking easier words, I am sure there are but I haven't seen one yet.

    I honestly think with a basic link pyramid and blog commenting you can rank for a low comp keyword, correct me if I am wrong....

    I am sooo confused with the web 2.0s though, I like to write as you can tell, and I have no problem putting effort and energy into an article for my money site, and 2-3 300 word articles for web 2.0s but I just want my time spent to be worth it.

    So is the strategy to create 10 web 2.0 accounts post 2-5 articles per account, then leave those accounts alone?

    If yes then the next step would obviously be to build another tier linking to the prior tier. Now that I think of it more it starts to make sense, and this does seem the best way to go.

    One more thing a social bookmark is just a link from a social site right? Why don't people just say social links, why do they have to use the word bookmark, it's just more confusing.
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    • Profile picture of the author seanpearse
      First off Great thread @nikeman and some excellent input @debra.

      Originally Posted by nikeman070 View Post

      So is the strategy to create 10 web 2.0 accounts post 2-5 articles per account, then leave those accounts alone?

      If yes then the next step would obviously be to build another tier linking to the prior tier. Now that I think of it more it starts to make sense, and this does seem the best way to go.

      One more thing a social bookmark is just a link from a social site right? Why don't people just say social links, why do they have to use the word bookmark, it's just more confusing.
      I am currently only testing this theory so don't take it as gospel but it seems to me that we'd be better to create 4/5 quality web 2.0s and develop their authority as opposed to creating ten and leaving them stagnant. I like @debra's idea of sourcing already established 2.0s and contributing although I find pitching for guest posts on blogs one of the most frustrating parts of seo. Building genuine authority for 4/5 web 2.0s is a lot of work but I think that's something we've just got to get used to these days.

      Another thing you could try is create your own scoop.it or bundlr account and start curating any interesting content you find relating to your niche. I've seen scoop.it pages reach pr3 just from curating other people's content. If you're on the ball with it though you'll find webmasters will seek you out to get their content submitted in your curation. Also a lot of work but you can get a scoop.it or bundlr button for your toolbar and bundl away while you're browsing. That's what I do anyway, plus it's a great way to get your own content indexed quickly.

      p.s. it took me a while to get my head around the whole social bookmark malarkey as well. Socialadr.com is pretty good for saving a bit of time bookmarking but there are other free ones out there like socialmarker etc.

      Good luck
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      • Profile picture of the author nikeman070
        Originally Posted by seanpearse View Post

        First off Great thread @nikeman and some excellent input @debra.



        I am currently only testing this theory so don't take it as gospel but it seems to me that we'd be better to create 4/5 quality web 2.0s and develop their authority as opposed to creating ten and leaving them stagnant. I like @debra's idea of sourcing already established 2.0s and contributing although I find pitching for guest posts on blogs one of the most frustrating parts of seo. Building genuine authority for 4/5 web 2.0s is a lot of work but I think that's something we've just got to get used to these days.

        Another thing you could try is create your own scoop.it or bundlr account and start curating any interesting content you find relating to your niche. I've seen scoop.it pages reach pr3 just from curating other people's content. If you're on the ball with it though you'll find webmasters will seek you out to get their content submitted in your curation. Also a lot of work but you can get a scoop.it or bundlr button for your toolbar and bundl away while you're browsing. That's what I do anyway, plus it's a great way to get your own content indexed quickly.

        p.s. it took me a while to get my head around the whole social bookmark malarkey as well. Socialadr.com is pretty good for saving a bit of time bookmarking but there are other free ones out there like socialmarker etc.

        Good luck
        Great information, this is very unique no one has mentioned the scoop.it I haven't heard of it but I will check it out, because it does sound fun.

        SEO is such a simple thing, but yet it is so complicated haha. I think the more effort we put into our campaign the more we worry about penalties. I keep seeing 100 different POVs about SEO and web 2.0s and it makes my mind go crazy. I think the best thing is to just go with your gut, build the best quality links, keep track of what you are doing and if a penalty comes your way then lesson learned. The only way to really learn is from your own mistakes.

        That said still read info in the forums, but if you have 2 opinions on a matter go with your gut feeling which is the best, be logical though don't pick the method that was the easiest and most spammy obviously
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        • Profile picture of the author seanpearse
          Originally Posted by nikeman070 View Post

          Great information, this is very unique no one has mentioned the scoop.it I haven't heard of it but I will check it out, because it does sound fun.

          The only way to really learn is from your own mistakes.
          Yeah scoop.it's pretty cool, bundlr does something very similar and they've recently had a bit of a facelift but check them both out for yourself. Here's an excellent example of scoop.it being utilised to it's full potential by a fellow warrior Linda Buquet..... Google Places Optimization & Local SEO News | Scoop.it (great source of info too!).

          "The only way to learn is from your own mistakes"....EXACTLY!! I've only recently come to realise this completely. Trial and error and a decent rule of thumb is "if it seems too easy, don't do it!".
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  • Profile picture of the author nikeman070
    OK I am back, if you don't feel like reading above I advise you read this thread... http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...rectories.html

    This doesn't really answer my web 2.0 question but now I know it's encouraged to post content from your site to article directories, one thing I did pick up is the post should be indexed first.
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    Just overdo this, because it may be harmful for your website. And more important thing is to do this REGULARLY!!! Every day!!!
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