Is it wise for a newbie to start doing Adsense after all the recent bans?

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Hi guys,

I bought an Adsense course a couple of weeks ago as a WSO, and the guy was claiming that it was possible to earn a few thousand a month, which for me would be awesome. However, a little research before I got started yesterday revealed these blog posts:

I Just Got Banned From Google Adsense! Now What? | Niche Pursuits
AdSense Account Disabled: What the Hell?! | My 4 Hour Workweek
Why Google Adsense Is A Bad Primary Source Of Revenue
Google Groups

All these people had successful 5-6 figure Adsense accounts with website numbers in the 100's. A couple of them had Adsense accounts for a large number of years.

So why the ban? And is it something that is still good for someone to get into as a newbie (me)?

Maybe they got banned because they were running 100's of sites? And if I keep my focus to building 20-50 sites then GETTING THE HELL OUT and doing something else, I should be OK?

What does everyone think? The plan of action would be to set up 10-15 page micro sites and monetise the crap out of them with CTRTheme. As I said though, is it wise for me to do this for a few months then diversify?

Thanks. A fairly wordy post but thank you if you're reading this bit .
#adsense #bans #newbie #recent #start #wise
  • Profile picture of the author jamaks
    Hi avirdi1987, It is now a lot harder to be excepted into the adsense program. You did not state if you had an adsense account already but I take that you have not.
    I would suggest that you apply for an account and see if you get accepted. There is now a human review of your website so if the one you put forward for assessment passes the test it is likely that you are doing nothing against the rules.
    If accepted you can then add adsense to any of your other sites provided you are happy they also follow the quality guidelines. Hope this helps.

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    • Profile picture of the author avirdi1987
      Thanks for your reply! I have an Adsense account in the name of my family (my older brother dabbled once in the past with Adsense but he's given me his account), so that's already set to go.

      Here's what's weird about the quality issue. The guys I gave examples of were not banned because of quality problems even though some of them said that the sites were average at best, but it was actually for invalid clicks.. which just made no sense :S. I'm thinking it has something to do with the number of sites you have but I can't be sure, which is why I was wondering if I should build to 40 and then reinvest the profits into something else.
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      • Profile picture of the author jamaks
        No expert on adsense but am fairly certain that the number of sites will have no ill effect as long as each of those sites conform to the guidelines.

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        • Profile picture of the author daweelmac
          Originally Posted by jamaks View Post

          No expert on adsense but am fairly certain that the number of sites will have no ill effect as long as each of those sites conform to the guidelines.

          Jim
          In addition, it was stated by Google that you can place your adsense block of codes to any websites (regardless how many), as long as those sites follows their TOS.
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  • Profile picture of the author bfas
    Hello Avirdi,

    About 35% of our revenue comes from Adsense, and has for many years. We also have thousands of people following our strategies, a very high percentage of whom do well.

    The bottom line is this: If you treat Adsense as a business, and do it 'right', then you can do very well. If you look for 'shortcuts', near-term gains at the expense of quality, or engage in black hat or questionable practices, it will almost certainly bite you.

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    • Profile picture of the author paulgl
      Your mistaking a handful for any meaning.

      There are probably millions using adsense. A handful
      of people whining about a ban means nothing.

      Just look at the WF. You'd think there was an epidemic.
      There isn't. Real people maintain their adsense accounts
      with no problem. It just looks skewed because people
      come here to whine.

      But I'll bet for everyone who comes here and cries about
      a ban, there's 1,000 here who never worry.

      Stop looking at tidbits that mean nothing.

      There is no reason to not start adsense.

      There is no reason to fear a ban.

      I wish it was, case closed.

      (On a side note, you'd think sites that dropped from
      penguin were just zillions, judging by the threads.
      Aint so. And for every site that dropped, one got
      lifted. But people don't come here in droves to
      brag about how their site went up. They come
      here to whine.)


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  • Profile picture of the author Mantasmo
    Build good websites, don't buy traffic, have proper terms/privacy/contact pages and don't click on your own ads. That's about it.

    Displaying Adsense on "low quality" pages (Google send out Webmaster Tools messages for these, have been since 2009 or earlier) can get your Adsense account banned (not immediately though). Most people don't know this, because they don't use GWT. Seen this happen myself.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dayes
    What do three of these banned publishers have in common? Mini niche websites. They were banned for a good reason.

    If you stick to the rules, you won't get banned.

    The recent banwave of Adsense accounts has mostly been for publishers in Pakistan, who were creating thousands of tech spam blogs.
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    • Profile picture of the author avirdi1987
      Thanks for all your help guys. Trouble is, the couple of Adsense courses that I have both recommend building micro niche sites of around 10-15 pages of unique content....... just to clarify, those will get me banned too??

      I'm talking 10-15 pages of unique content averaging around 500-700 words, all centred around a small niche. This would also get flagged?

      If so, what kind of site should we be building anyway and has someone come across a tutorial for this?
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  • Profile picture of the author AmazeMe
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    Google has been banning above-board blogs and sites now for a long time.

    And it's getting worse.

    My suggestion is to ignore Google. There are MUCH more profitable ways to monetize your site.
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  • Profile picture of the author Chrisbroholm
    Don't listen to the apocalyptic people ITT, just follow the rules and you can build 1 page sites if you please. The bigger site the better chance you have of ranking for multiple keywords, but there is no correlation between site sizes and being penalized.

    Just make sure you conform to the TOS and you should be fine, if not you will receive a warning before the ban in most cases.
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    • Profile picture of the author Offline Doctor
      It's not a real, long term strategy. Why anyone wants to build a business that is controlled by someone else is beyond me.
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      • Profile picture of the author avirdi1987
        So you guys think I'll be OK if I create niche authority sites (sites with 10-15 pages of unique content - 500+ words on each)?

        Also, my sentiments exactly to the person who said why someone would trust another organisation. But, it's only for a short while (maybe until the end of the year) after which I would like to reinvest into other ventures.

        If someone could please answer my questions on whether 10-15 pages is suitable per website or not, lol. Thanks.

        P.S: 1 page thin sites get banned super easily from what I've read. Who knows, it's probably those that the bloggers above were making.
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      • Profile picture of the author Chrisbroholm
        Originally Posted by Offline Doctor View Post

        It's not a real, long term strategy. Why anyone wants to build a business that is controlled by someone else is beyond me.
        Isn't every single business controlled by someone else? If I'm selling grapes down at the local fruit & veg market am I not controlled by the importer? The City Council, the local police and the customers?

        If I'm building a business based on diet supplements am I not at the mercy of the FDA, review sites and the supplier? If any link in that chain fails my business takes a huge turn for the worse.

        I don't get why people think that building a business based on the opportunities provided by Google is so far fetched, frankly I think its quite brilliant, as the barriers to entry are low and the costs are equally low.

        Sure you are at the mercy of algorithmic changes and what have you, but as long as you stick to the rules I see it no differently than any other business.
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        • Profile picture of the author Offline Doctor
          No, my business is controlled by me. You make a poor analogy. Continue to try and game Google and you'll be like many of the warriors here who keep crying about their business being wiped out overnight.

          You must be very young because you have no real perspective. Experience counts.


          Originally Posted by Chrisbroholm View Post

          Isn't every single business controlled by someone else? If I'm selling grapes down at the local fruit & veg market am I not controlled by the importer? The City Council, the local police and the customers?

          If I'm building a business based on diet supplements am I not at the mercy of the FDA, review sites and the supplier? If any link in that chain fails my business takes a huge turn for the worse.

          I don't get why people think that building a business based on the opportunities provided by Google is so far fetched, frankly I think its quite brilliant, as the barriers to entry are low and the costs are equally low.

          Sure you are at the mercy of algorithmic changes and what have you, but as long as you stick to the rules I see it no differently than any other business.
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          • Profile picture of the author Chrisbroholm
            Originally Posted by Offline Doctor View Post

            No, my business is controlled by me. You make a poor analogy. Continue to try and game Google and you'll be like many of the warriors here who keep crying about their business being wiped out overnight.

            You must be very young because you have no real perspective. Experience counts.
            My business is controlled by me as well, whats your point? Are you saying that your business somehow has no dependable links that could cause your business to stall or even break down? If that's the case then I salute you.

            I never said anything about Gaming Google. In fact my sole purpose with my websites is to offer valuable content to the readers and answer any questions you might have. Google is my friend and the way its structured right now.

            If Google went out of business tomorrow and shut down their search engine I would expand sites that can be expanded and start bringing in traffic from alternative sources like social traffic, forum links, press releases, article submissions or even paid advertising.

            The point is the business model is not "rank easy on google make millions" the business model is build websites that help people and get traffic to them by the most economical and easiest mean. Which at the moment is by optimizing for Google. Not overdoing it or using any grey/blackhat techniques, simply optimizing.

            I appreciate you replying, but please try to keep your posts polite and with substance. Simply calling me out as a young kid and saying that experience counts, whilst not providing any counterarguments simply makes you look ignorant.
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            • Profile picture of the author Offline Doctor
              If you think Google (organic) is a reliable source of revenue then you need to see a shrink.

              One of the first things I teach my Offline clients is not to be dependent upon any one traffic source. Newspaper advertising, Yellow Pages, Val Pak, SEO, PPC, etc...

              If you have never worked with offline businesses you would be amazed how many depend 100% upon one traffic source, amazing.

              I can create traffic for my clients via online or offline. If you are going to rely on 3rd party vendors, better to use Paid advertising. That is the only true consistent way to bring reliable traffic. SEO is not reliable.

              I can point out to you many people who have used all whitehat techniques with Google and still got screwed post Panda and Penguin, and now Google Places.

              "Google is your Friend," OMG, stop drinking the kool-aid kid. Quit being so naive.

              Originally Posted by Chrisbroholm View Post

              My business is controlled by me as well, whats your point? Are you saying that your business somehow has no dependable links that could cause your business to stall or even break down? If that's the case then I salute you.

              I never said anything about Gaming Google. In fact my sole purpose with my websites is to offer valuable content to the readers and answer any questions you might have. Google is my friend and the way its structured right now.

              If Google went out of business tomorrow and shut down their search engine I would expand sites that can be expanded and start bringing in traffic from alternative sources like social traffic, forum links, press releases, article submissions or even paid advertising.

              The point is the business model is not "rank easy on google make millions" the business model is build websites that help people and get traffic to them by the most economical and easiest mean. Which at the moment is by optimizing for Google. Not overdoing it or using any grey/blackhat techniques, simply optimizing.

              I appreciate you replying, but please try to keep your posts polite and with substance. Simply calling me out as a young kid and saying that experience counts, whilst not providing any counterarguments simply makes you look ignorant.
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              • Profile picture of the author Chrisbroholm
                Originally Posted by Offline Doctor View Post

                If you think Google (organic) is a reliable source of revenue then you need to see a shrink.

                One of the first things I teach my Offline clients is not to be dependent upon any one traffic source. Newspaper advertising, Yellow Pages, Val Pak, SEO, PPC, etc...

                If you have never worked with offline businesses you would be amazed how many depend 100% upon one traffic source, amazing.

                I can create traffic for my clients via online or offline. If you are going to rely on 3rd party vendors, better to use Paid advertising. That is the only true consistent way to bring reliable traffic. SEO is not reliable.

                I can point out to you many people who have used all whitehat techniques with Google and still got screwed post Panda and Penguin, and now Google Places.

                "Google is your Friend," OMG, stop drinking the kool-aid kid. Quit being so naive.
                Sorry, I give up. You are stubborn, arrogant and offensive. I'd like to defer my arguments to the very well written posts of Paul and Yukon below.

                Have a nice day.
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                • Profile picture of the author avirdi1987
                  Guys as much as I appreciate all of the comments, could someone please tell me what they guess would be a good amount of content for each of my sites?

                  The guide I'm following suggests that 10+ pages with unique content is enough to stand a chance, as something of that size qualifies more as a niche authority site. I'd like some opinions on this please.

                  I definitely want to get started with something, even if Adsense bans me down the line. But all I want to know is, if I concentrate on 10+ pages per site, will that give me a better chance?

                  Thanks again for all the comments. We have a lot of passionate people here!
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                • Profile picture of the author Offline Doctor
                  No. I'm experienced, successful, and learned from my mistakes. You have not. I say continue on with using 3rd parties as your main source of income, this is what all successful companies do. :rolleyes:

                  You obviously only want to hear from people who agree with you. Remember my statements when it all comes crashing down one day.

                  Originally Posted by Chrisbroholm View Post

                  Sorry, I give up. You are stubborn, arrogant and offensive. I'd like to defer my arguments to the very well written posts of Paul and Yukon below.

                  Have a nice day.
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  • Profile picture of the author Marketing Fool
    Hey,

    Don't worry about it...just start building! If you get banned, there are ways to open a new account under a different company name.

    You can second guess things forever, or you can put your head down and just start building...I recommend building.
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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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    Is it wise for a newbie to start doing Adsense after all the recent bans?

    I drive a car everyday without wrecking, yet thousands of people crash their cars each year. Simple solution, stay away from people that don't know how to drive a car.

    What does other people getting banned from Adsense have to do with you (nothing)? Stay away from those people.
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    • Profile picture of the author paulgl
      LOL! This thread has morphed into nonsense as they all do.

      Google control your life? Your business?
      LOL! I use adsense and love it! I control it!

      Easier ways to earn money online? I have yet to
      hear one. Note the word, easier ?

      Love that analogy Yukon! Man that is perfect!

      Reminds of Yogi Berra commenting on some bar.
      "Nobody goes there anymore because it's too crowded."
      Just reword that a little for adsense. How about this:

      "Google is banning everybody from adsense because they
      want record profits."

      Originally Posted by Offline Doctor View Post

      [B]If you think Google (organic) is a reliable source of revenue then you need to see a shrink.
      I don't give a rat's hat about traffic from google. I funnel my
      own to my adsense sites. What does not relying on traffic
      from google have anything to do with making money from adsense?

      Just look at the foolish ways you can compare googe/adsense with:

      I better not start a website because my host might shut me down.

      I better not open up a restaurant because the health department
      might close me down.

      I better not open up a bar because I might lose my liquor license
      if my waitress serves underage drinkers

      I better not open up any brick and mortar in CA because an
      earthquake might level it.

      I better not open a pizza shop because someone may get
      food poisoning and sue me.

      Come on people! You CAN take control of your own destiny!

      Google does not, repeat does not have to ban you!

      It's in your control. Just like the above scenarios!

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      • Profile picture of the author Offline Doctor
        Paul, what percentage of your income is derived from Adsense?

        Originally Posted by paulgl View Post

        LOL! This thread has morphed into nonsense as they all do.

        Google control your life? Your business?
        LOL! I use adsense and love it! I control it!

        Easier ways to earn money online? I have yet to
        hear one. Note the word, easier ?

        Love that analogy Yukon! Man that is perfect!

        Reminds of Yogi Berra commenting on some bar.
        "Nobody goes there anymore because it's too crowded."
        Just reword that a little for adsense. How about this:

        "Google is banning everybody from adsense because they
        want record profits."

        Paul
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        • Profile picture of the author paulgl
          Originally Posted by Offline Doctor View Post

          Paul, what percentage of your income is derived from Adsense?
          Online income, adsense is about 30%. I make about 50% from
          selling my ads, and the rest various like amazon, squidoo, and
          other various cons, scams, and schemes.

          Actually, squidoo may soon be about 20-30%. My own amazon
          affiliation has gone down, as I have realized that amazon
          sales on squidoo are much easier, and you get roughly
          all the commission. Stopped promoting my own amazon
          actively.

          It's true I have an offline career, but would it help to know
          I pay all my bills entirely with my online income? My job
          allows me quite a lot of free time. I have to admit also that
          I have a working wife. I think I'm saying this to tell
          people to not quit their day jobs, even if you think you
          can do it all online. Build up a cushion. Pay off your
          debts. I started this year $14,000 in credit card debt.
          Right now, it's $4,000. I'll tell you what. The economy
          tanking has really had us changing our lifestyles and
          rethink what is important.

          If you're smart with your money and time, be patient,
          follow the rules, don't look to get rich quick, add to
          the bottom line each month, it sure is easier on
          the stress level.

          Paul
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          • Profile picture of the author Tom Ryan
            Originally Posted by paulgl View Post

            Actually, squidoo may soon be about 20-30%. My own amazon
            affiliation has gone down, as I have realized that amazon
            sales on squidoo are much easier, and you get roughly
            all the commission. Stopped promoting my own amazon
            actively.
            Paul, why is it that you do not promote amazon on squidoo with your own affiliate links?
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    • Profile picture of the author IMdeaming
      Originally Posted by yukon View Post

      I drive a car everyday without wrecking, yet thousands of people crash their cars each year. Simple solution, stay away from people that don't know how to drive a car.

      What does other people getting banned from Adsense have to do with you (nothing)? Stay away from those people.
      Quoted for truth!
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  • Profile picture of the author Rafay Zafar
    google pays billions of dollars each year to adsense publishers. Needless to say, adsense is better than clickbank, amazon, cj, cpa and what not. However, to profit from adsense you must offer value to the visitor and treat your websites as a proper business. 'value' is independent of the number of pages. many people put adsense on autoblogs. they take rss feeds from various sites and churn out hundreds and thousands of pages but that offers absolutely no value.

    On the other hand, you could make a small 10 page site that offers great value to the visitor and put adsense on it without any problems. take a look at MX Lookup Tool - Check your DNS MX Records online - MxToolbox
    it doesnt have much content at all but it provides free tools that are very useful for the end user. the traffic is highly targeted to bulk email marketing and that's why you will find bulk marketing companies advertising on this site via adsense.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mantasmo
      Originally Posted by Rafay Zafar View Post

      google pays billions of dollars each year to adsense publishers. Needless to say, adsense is better than clickbank, amazon, cj, cpa and what not.
      No, it isn't. In some cases Adsense can be the best way to monetize your traffic. Or simply the easiest way to go. But what you said above is pretty naive.
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      • Profile picture of the author Rafay Zafar
        Originally Posted by bnetwork View Post

        No, it isn't. In some cases Adsense can be the best way to monetize your traffic. Or simply the easiest way to go. But what you said above is pretty naive.
        yeah i should have added a disclaimer. if you are producing worthwhile content and want to build a sustainable, long term, online publishing business then adsense is the by far the best way to monetize traffic other then direct sales offcourse.

        But we are talking about ad networks here and since i manage adwords campaigns i know the adsense marketplace very well. The sheer scale and range of advertisers in any vertical is simply amazing and reaching them directly would take some effort and money. In short, the display network/adsense is here to stay and is getting bigger and better every quarter.

        No recognized, legitimate website, media property or news network uses clickbank, CPA or even amazon. And virtually all of the big publishers barring yahoo and a couple of others utilize adsense on their sites to supplement their ad revenues. In fact affiliate marketing as a whole is frowned upon by most legitimate publishers (and rightly so)

        offcourse if you are into conning consumers with compensation based reviews, fake questionnaires, fake news sites, forcing people to fill out forms by locking useless or even illegal content, then obviously adsense is not a good model at all. I dont know of any legitimate business who would like their ads to appear on such sites.
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  • Profile picture of the author rabbi1994
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    1 simple mistake and your account will be ban so before using adsense make sure you know everything about it and read the terms and conditions carefully because this is the reason people get ban from adsense.
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    • Profile picture of the author PhilJensen
      I derive over 95% of my income from Adsense and it DOES make me nervous that I'm not diversified enough.

      I think Adsense is a great way to make money, but having all your eggs in one basket is never a good idea.

      Advice to beginners is to diversify.

      Cheers

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      • Profile picture of the author Offline Doctor
        I hope you don't have a family that depends upon that income. You can make money from anything, but with all the crap we've seen with Google why take a chance?

        Isn't it time to diversify your income? I can't stand listening to people whine when their organic rankings (SEO) fall off page one or they lose their PPC or Adsense account.

        Learn how to run a business, don't put all your eggs in one basket.

        Originally Posted by PhilJensen View Post

        I derive over 95% of my income from Adsense and it DOES make me nervous that I'm not diversified enough.

        I think Adsense is a great way to make money, but having all your eggs in one basket is never a good idea.

        Advice to beginners is to diversify.

        Cheers

        Phil
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  • Profile picture of the author MarvyDery
    My advise to you is to choose keywords for your blog that can perform well with adsense but make sure they are keywords about products you can use other monetization methods such as cpa networks, amazon or clickbank.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mantasmo
    Originally Posted by Rafay Zafar View Post

    yeah i should have added a disclaimer. if you are producing worthwhile content and want to build a sustainable, long term, online publishing business then adsense is the by far the best way to monetize traffic other then direct sales offcourse.

    But we are talking about ad networks here and since i manage adwords campaigns i know the adsense marketplace very well. The sheer scale and range of advertisers in any vertical is simply amazing and reaching them directly would take some effort and money. In short, the display network/adsense is here to stay and is getting bigger and better every quarter.

    No recognized, legitimate website, media property or news network uses clickbank, CPA or even amazon. And virtually all of the big publishers barring yahoo and a couple of others utilize adsense on their sites to supplement their ad revenues. In fact affiliate marketing as a whole is frowned upon by most legitimate publishers (and rightly so)

    offcourse if you are into conning consumers with compensation based reviews, fake questionnaires, fake news sites, forcing people to fill out forms by locking useless or even illegal content, then obviously adsense is not a good model at all. I dont know of any legitimate business who would like their ads to appear on such sites.
    ^^ nonsense. Most large, established brands have personalized deals (yes, Google does those as well) and get paid A LOT more than simple web publishers. I have first hand experience with this (not my own site, sadly).

    Affiliate marketing is the CORE of online business. You don't understand the concept. Shady CPA networks aren't the only thing out there. You are, quite literally, clueless.
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  • Profile picture of the author TryBPO
    Some of the worst advice I think I've seen in this thread. (Some of it hidden under the guise of a question. ???)

    If you buy the answers you've received here, you'd believe that:

    - A large number of sites will get you banned (rubbish)
    - Ignore Google (huh? The largest search engine should be ignored? hmmm)
    - Mini niche websites get you banned (Ummm...no)
    - Difference between niche and authority sites is the # of pages (Crappy content is crappy content...no matter the number of pages you have)
    - Don't build a business using someone else's platform
    - Authority sites won't get you banned (Not true...plenty of publishers had "authority" sites and were banned...for doing something else shady a large % of the time)

    Paul and Yukon are grumpy, but are right as rain in their comments above, IMO.
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      Originally Posted by TryBPO View Post

      Paul and Yukon are grumpy, but are right as rain in their comments above, IMO.
      Not grumpy, just keep seeing so many forum members (not you) comparing themselves to everyone else in multiple forum threads.
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