Full Case Study: Ranking WITHOUT links

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  • Profile picture of the author martyJames
    interesting - thanks!
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    • Profile picture of the author JaviB
      Really interesting study!
      I hope you share all your findings
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  • Profile picture of the author TuNguyen
    Very insightful, thank you very much for sharing.
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  • Profile picture of the author Captain_Morgan
    So what were the rankings for each site then??
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    • Profile picture of the author richworld
      Originally Posted by Captain_Morgan View Post

      So what were the rankings for each site then??
      It's been 2 months since the sites have been registered.The best few sites were getting about 50 clicks per day in a moderately competitive niche. ($1-2 CPC). As I'm typing this,ten of the sites are becoming fairly profitable, top 5 positions for a 4k Exact/month Keyword.
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  • Profile picture of the author JDIZM
    you put a lot of work into this case study man and you produced nice results. kudos to you mate.
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  • Profile picture of the author Daones
    Its possible to rank solely on content but the factors for how well you rank depends on the competition I highly doubt its possible to outrank people who do other SEO besides content. But content is a good way to rank for those low competition keywords.
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  • Profile picture of the author agmantz
    Wow, Thanks for sharing your results.
    Looking forward for the details of these case study results.

    Salute to you!!!
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    • Profile picture of the author pers1t
      I ranked a site on 1st page of Google using only social signals (facebook likes and retweets). However, it was only 1000 US searches per month and very low competition according to Traffic Travis.

      But ranking sites without any backlinking at all, just with pure content sounds like a new age of SEO (or maybe back to the basics in some points).

      Will follow your thread and hope you succeed
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  • Profile picture of the author retsek
    Originally Posted by richworld View Post


    Wordpress Tips: Use POSTS not Pages. Tags tags tags, the more tags the better.
    Be careful with this. Overuse and indexing of tag pages can lead to on-site issues that will likely attract a Panda penalty.
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  • Profile picture of the author Maddmula
    Thank you for the insight. It would be great if you could put together the full report with all the stats.
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  • Profile picture of the author darkhorse
    Nice information. I am also a victim of Penguin.
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  • Profile picture of the author fairbjosh
    Why do you feel HTML sitemaps are better than xml sitemaps? When i read on here everyone says html are better for users and xml are better for serps


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  • Profile picture of the author GodMode52
    Did you just copy-pasted this thread from another forum? -_- You are even copy pasting your answers..
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  • Profile picture of the author Blue445nm
    Ripped from BHW?
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    • Profile picture of the author GodMode52
      Originally Posted by Blue445nm View Post

      Ripped from BHW?
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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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    Lol, about the Tag pages, good luck spamming all those useless pages.

    I'll tell why your possibly seeing any results at first in the SERPs when you spam a bunch of Tag pages.

    The Tag pages have relevant page titles, text, & internal links.

    Dump the Tag pages & create useful/relevant content pages/links, not duplicate content on 20 Tag pages.
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    • Profile picture of the author EdwardDennis
      Originally Posted by yukon View Post

      Lol, about the Tag pages, good luck spamming all those useless pages.

      I'll tell why your possibly seeing any results at first in the SERPs when you spam a bunch of Tag pages.

      The Tag pages have relevant page titles, text, & internal links.

      Dump the Tag pages & create useful/relevant content pages/links, not duplicate content on 20 Tag pages.
      Do you completely eliminate tag pages or do you simply no-index those pages?
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      • Profile picture of the author retsek
        Originally Posted by EdwardDennis View Post

        Do you completely eliminate tag pages or do you simply no-index those pages?
        "noindex,follow" them. they're almost always bad for Search engines but usually good for user experience.
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        • Profile picture of the author EdwardDennis
          Originally Posted by retsek View Post

          "noindex,follow" them. they're almost always bad for Search engines but usually good for user experience.
          I've been hitting "Thanks" button quite a lot today, and all is for you! I guess I'm officially retsek's Thanks wh**e then.

          Quick question while we're at it, would it be a problem (duplicate content) to show full posts on a "blog" page or would it be better to show snippets?
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          • Profile picture of the author retsek
            Originally Posted by EdwardDennis View Post

            Quick question while we're at it, would it be a problem (duplicate content) to show full posts on a "blog" page or would it be better to show snippets?
            That wouldn't be a problem either way. Your site might look cleaner and more uniform if you cut off posts or use the more-tag, but it's not required. Many successful sites go with full posts in the index.

            You should "noindex,follow" the page 2, and all that follow though. The Wordpress SEO plugin does it out of the box I think.
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            • Profile picture of the author EdwardDennis
              Originally Posted by retsek View Post

              That wouldn't be a problem either way. Your site might look cleaner and more uniform if you cut off posts or use the more-tag, but it's not required. Many successful sites go with full posts in the index.

              You should "noindex,follow" the page 2, and all that follow though. The Wordpress SEO plugin does it out of the box I think.
              What does "the page 2" mean? You mean, the second, third and so forth page of the blog page?
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              • Profile picture of the author retsek
                Originally Posted by EdwardDennis View Post

                What does "the page 2" mean? You mean, the second, third and so forth page of the blog page?
                Yea, that's right.
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      • Profile picture of the author yukon
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        Originally Posted by EdwardDennis View Post

        Do you completely eliminate tag pages or do you simply no-index those pages?
        Yep, I've deleted the Tag template page from my themes.

        IMO, category pages are more than enough information If traffic is interested in more of the same content they're currently looking at.

        Example:

        Index page --> Category page --> Post page

        IMO, the above link path is more than sufficient.
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  • Profile picture of the author plsearch
    These were all fresh sites that had no content pre penguin? If there are zero links how is Google even indexing them? 150 words in a h2 tag seems like a lot, that's like half an article.
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  • Profile picture of the author BarryOnline
    Seriously, this stuff has got to stop!

    Sorry, I'm not convinced, with 30 new sites in 3 niches you've cracked Google's alogo?

    the most important factor in Google’s algorithm is the 6th to 9th word in each article
    – Do you really believe that Google has programed their algorithm to add extra weight to the 6th to 9th word on a page?

    150 words per H2 tag is the ideal range to achieve best rankings
    The H2 tag is for marking headings. Having a 150 word heading is not natural. It is not the ideal range.

    Google gives extra value to keywords after bullets
    It's a nice idea to have some keyword there, but is this one of Google's 200 ranking signals, I’m not so sure.

    One image per 200 words is the PERFECT ratio
    The image importance depends on how you've market the title tag. I don't beleive there's a correlation between the number of words and image as a ranking factor.

    An HTML sitemap is key
    I've never used a sitemap on any of my sites and they rank just fine. If your sites are crawlable then there's really no need for one.


    Forget all the 2% this 5 % that, perfect ratios, must be 500 words… blah, blah. Just write a peace of content naturally without keyword stuffing and you won’t have any problems. There's no need for all this critically crafting of content for search engines. Yes, do your on and off page SEO, do it well but all this is OTT.
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    • Profile picture of the author deezn
      Originally Posted by BarryOnline View Post

      The H2 tag is for marking headings. Having a 150 word heading is not natural. It is not the ideal range.
      I didn't read it that way, although it is easy to do so.

      I thought he meant, an H2 tag per 150 words of regular content. Not that you make your H2 tag 150 words. That is so ridiculous my mind didn't even register it as a possible meaning.
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      • Profile picture of the author BarryOnline
        Originally Posted by deeznuts View Post

        I didn't read it that way, although it is easy to do so.

        I thought he meant, an H2 tag per 150 words of regular content. Not that you make your H2 tag 150 words. That is so ridiculous my mind didn't even register it as a possible meaning.
        I think you're right, even so. It's still way off to say that a H2 heading should only have 150 words under it. That's just the length of a meta description.

        A lot of the other things sounded so ridiculous it just read that way to me
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    • Profile picture of the author paulgl
      Originally Posted by BarryOnline View Post

      Seriously, this stuff has got to stop!

      Sorry, I'm not convinced,
      Yeah, but look at all the thanks. I dunno people.
      I just don't know. Anyone here feel like they
      are just banging their head against a wall?

      Do you people seriously want to make money or not?

      BarryOnline, you rock, but man, how many are sinking?

      Paul
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  • Profile picture of the author Delta223
    Great thread! I'd be concerned with statistical significance though... you may be extrapolating coincidences with a sample of 30
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