Penguin: Ok I give up. Time to start my site on a new domain..

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After much effort, I'm just moving our store to a .net version I already own. We never got the warning in WMT of fake links but the penalty from Penguin is definitely there. I used so many random vendors for link building, removing all this crap is impossible. Tried removing, filing re inclusion, etc. No luck

So basic plan:

- 302 redirect the old domain to the new. (no dup content issues that way). I wanted to 301 but dont want to get the new site penalized
- Moving over what quality links we have (99% are garbage)
- Sit and wait, new site is registered last month so I'm sure I wont have my rankings back for what 5 months? sigh

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An Update for you guys: It's only been 4 days since the 302 and my .net has exploded with double the traffic the penalized site had 1 week ago. We're already ranking for many long tail keywords, believe it or not.

The weird thing is the Pagerank for the 1 month old registered .net is already a 4, so was my old site. Must be some kind of bug. Anyway will let u know if I get the penalty passed to the new site, hopefully not.
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  • Profile picture of the author cooler1
    Im thinking of starting on new domains also, but thought id wait first because there has only been one Penguin refresh so far.

    Does Penguin penalize for poor backlink quality or is it due to anchor text variety? It doesn't make sense that backlink quality would penalize you because than negative SEO would be easy, but then again so would anchor text diversity.
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    • Profile picture of the author jimgk
      negative seo has been beaten to death - most feel it would be very, if not impossible to apply negative seo NSEO to a strong site, as google would probably notice the NSEO as an anomolly and discount it. my concern with moving a site from a dot com to a dot net is with duplicate content penalty as google caches sites ??? and when i say content, i mean entire html.
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      • Profile picture of the author cooler1
        Originally Posted by jimgk View Post

        my concern with moving a site from a dot com to a dot net is with duplicate content penalty as google caches sites ??? and when i say content, i mean entire html.
        I was wondering about duplicate content also. About 1 year ago, I bought a new domain for a site then moved the content from the old domain to the new domain. Initially, the site on the new domain was ranking on page 1 for it's keywords, but then a few months later the keywords are nowhere to be seen and the site gets next to no traffic. I thought it might just be the Google dance, but it's been like this for ages. Im not sure if it's because the content was previously on an old domain so the new site is somehow being penalized for it.
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      • Profile picture of the author MassivePassive
        I'd like to know this also. I have about 10 sites that have disappeared from SERPs after the last Google update.

        I want to re-register domain names in a different extension and just duplicate the content there and build clean backlinks. For the original domain, I want to delete the posts, delete the pages, uninstall wordpress, and delete the DNS and everything else.

        Would this be sufficient enough to start over? Can anyone shed some light?
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  • Profile picture of the author plsearch
    Its very simple guys, just put up a 302 redirect on your DNS to the new domain. You will get no duplicate content penalty and none of the bad links will affect the new site. It's basically like starting fresh with the same site, but you wont have to worry about the cache of your old site affecting rankings or visitors going to the old site not finding the new one.

    So basically;
    - Take down old site
    - Move content/design to new site.
    - Go into registrar/host and 302 redirect every page to new domain
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  • Profile picture of the author Theeban
    Originally Posted by plsearch View Post

    After much effort, I'm just moving our store to a .net version I already own. We never got the warning in WMT of fake links but the penalty from Penguin is definitely there. I used so many random vendors for link building, removing all this crap is impossible. Tried removing, filing re inclusion, etc. No luck

    So basic plan:

    - 302 redirect the old domain to the new. (no dup content issues that way). I wanted to 301 but dont want to get the new site penalized
    - Moving over what quality links we have (99% are garbage)
    - Sit and wait, new site is registered last month so I'm sure I wont have my rankings back for what 5 months? sigh
    Hold on, already your old site is under penalty (as per your statement), then how redirecting from that site to new site will be a good idea? I mean, due to penalty, already no traffic for your old site, then what is the point of re-directing from it to new? :confused:

    And, No worries, I have seen there are sites which have about 4 months ranked well (mostly for long tailed keywords).

    "Anyhow, I would suggest, instead of going for new domain, why don't you try make sure that your on-page SEO of current site is perfect as per Google guidelines, and then, go for more quality links (like contextual links using blogging, press releases and etc with well-written articles). Go for 100 such links per week, do it for at least 4-5 weeks, then, I guess, you SHOULD be able to see some changes on traffic to your old site, specially "organic" traffic.... - give a shot for that, even after, if you are OUT of the game, Go for new plan.... " - It is just my recommendation Because, I guess, your old site may have some reputation and you might put more effort on it, then why are you going to put it into garbage. For an example, If your loved-one get sick or disease, what will you do? You will almost try all methods to save their lives, Aren't you? Why don't you apply to your old site too?
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    • Profile picture of the author rspadi
      Honestly, I wouldn't bother at all registering a new domain a doing whatever re-directs. Google could even see this as an attempt of "cheating" and you risk that your site will never rank again (or for a very long time).

      In my opinion, the best approach is playing by Google's rules. Write great content - ideally several posts a week. Build quality links from authority sites in your niche - guest blogging is a great way to get quality contextual links, build social media visibility... Create a natural link profile, build also some no-follow links, lower quality links...

      Be patient and in a few months time, your site may be ranking higher than ever before.
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  • Profile picture of the author lutherlars
    Alternatively, you could remove your entire .com site from the Google index and then put whatever content you wanted from the old site on the new site, thus avoiding duplicate content.
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  • Profile picture of the author RevSEO
    Throwing away the domain and starting new is a DUMB strategy.

    Unless your spent a couple hours on the original domain, bought a few crappy link services, and called it a day. If you are like most webmasters, and spent HUNDREDS of hours building out a domain, content, links, etc. Then you should spend the time and resources to recover from Penguin.

    Recovering from Penguin is NOT rocket science, although some people are making it out to be that way. I've helped countless sites recover from Penguin, in fact one client went from #200+ to #1 this past week. She was knocked into oblivion from Penguin, and has successfully recovered.

    The key is cleaning up those backlinks, which like you said takes a ton of time. There are services like LinkDelete.com that I recommend utilizing for backlink cleanup. They'll identify, cleanup, and manage the whole backlink removal process for you and give you a solid reinclusion report each month.

    Second, it comes down to onsite variables as well. Most sites are making blatant mistakes that are EASILY correctable. Google's changed the way they analyze a website's onsite variables and thus you need to correct those problems. Feel free to PM me if you'd like and I'll make some recommendations to you.

    Finally, good quality backlinks are what's needed to lift most sites out of the penalty as well. That's the last stage though AFTER cleaning up the bad, low quality links AND the onsite variables.
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    • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
      Originally Posted by RevSEO View Post

      Throwing away the domain and starting new is a DUMB strategy.

      Not really. What if you are dealing with a site that has 20,000 - 30,000 spammy backlinks? Good luck getting enough of those removed to make a dent in recovery.

      There has only been 1 Penguin refresh so far, so it is hard to tell what it takes to recover a site that has been hit by Penguin. In the meantime, real businesses are losing money sitting around waiting for the next refresh to see if they maybe, hopefully are in better shape.

      I wouldn't be quick to ditch a site, but on the other hand, if my income depended on one site that was hit by Penguin, I wouldn't necessarily bet my future income on that one site coming back from the dead. I would strongly consider branching out into a new site, while still holding onto the old one. If the old one comes back at some point, great. Now I have two occupying SERP real estate. Nothing wrong with that.
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      • Profile picture of the author maheshr
        Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

        Not really. What if you are dealing with a site that has 20,000 - 30,000 spammy backlinks? Good luck getting enough of those removed to make a dent in recovery.

        There has only been 1 Penguin refresh so far, so it is hard to tell what it takes to recover a site that has been hit by Penguin. In the meantime, real businesses are losing money sitting around waiting for the next refresh to see if they maybe, hopefully are in better shape.

        I wouldn't be quick to ditch a site, but on the other hand, if my income depended on one site that was hit by Penguin, I wouldn't necessarily bet my future income on that one site coming back from the dead. I would strongly consider branching out into a new site, while still holding onto the old one. If the old one comes back at some point, great. Now I have two occupying SERP real estate. Nothing wrong with that.
        Hello Mike,

        If we remove the entire url from google index through webmaster tool and move the content to a new domain, will we get a duplicate content penalty?
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        • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
          Originally Posted by maheshr View Post

          Hello Mike,

          If we remove the entire url from google index through webmaster tool and move the content to a new domain, will we get a duplicate content penalty?

          No you will not get a duplicate content penalty. Duplicate content is from the same content appearing on the same site repeatedly.

          You better make sure all the content is out of Google's index before putting up a new site though. Otherwise your new site could look like nothing but a scraper site. Those can be difficult/impossible to rank.
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        • Profile picture of the author yukon
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          Originally Posted by maheshr View Post

          Hello Mike,

          If we remove the entire url from google index through webmaster tool and move the content to a new domain, will we get a duplicate content penalty?
          Even duplicate content on the same site isn't a penalty, the duplicate content on the same site gets dumped into Supplemental SERPs (most times). If you don't specify which page you want ranked (duplicate pages on same site) Google will pick whichever page they want to display in organic SERPs.

          Supplemental SERPs is a catchall when Google finds the same content being repeated on multiple internal pages, again it's not a penalty, it's Googles way of trying to keep the clutter out of the SERPs.

          Just saying, the word penalty gets spread around too loosely.
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      • Profile picture of the author RevSEO
        Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

        Not really. What if you are dealing with a site that has 20,000 - 30,000 spammy backlinks? Good luck getting enough of those removed to make a dent in recovery.

        There has only been 1 Penguin refresh so far, so it is hard to tell what it takes to recover a site that has been hit by Penguin. In the meantime, real businesses are losing money sitting around waiting for the next refresh to see if they maybe, hopefully are in better shape.

        I wouldn't be quick to ditch a site, but on the other hand, if my income depended on one site that was hit by Penguin, I wouldn't necessarily bet my future income on that one site coming back from the dead. I would strongly consider branching out into a new site, while still holding onto the old one. If the old one comes back at some point, great. Now I have two occupying SERP real estate. Nothing wrong with that.
        Sure, nothing wrong with that strategy. But 95% of the people are 301'ng the domain, and starting fresh. Not the strategy that you proposed.

        Google has shown that they'll give mercy if you show that you are doing all you can to get backlinks removed. A spreadsheet indicating contact methods, date of contact, result of contact, and any other information can help you when trying to file a reinclusion request.

        If you've got 15k-20k crappy-low quality links though, you probably should just forget about it. Most people don't have 15k-20k low quality links that need to be cleaned up though.
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        • Profile picture of the author plsearch
          Originally Posted by RevSEO View Post

          Sure, nothing wrong with that strategy. But 95% of the people are 301'ng the domain, and starting fresh. Not the strategy that you proposed.

          Google has shown that they'll give mercy if you show that you are doing all you can to get backlinks removed. A spreadsheet indicating contact methods, date of contact, result of contact, and any other information can help you when trying to file a reinclusion request.

          If you've got 15k-20k crappy-low quality links though, you probably should just forget about it. Most people don't have 15k-20k low quality links that need to be cleaned up though.

          Incorrect, Google will show mercy IF you received a manual penalty (meaning a Google webmaster tools notice) and you go through all the other steps required.

          If you have an algorithmic penalty, no amount of documentation or requests will help, you'll have to remove everything out there that is penalizing you and wait for the next update.
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          • Profile picture of the author etvconnect
            Originally Posted by plsearch View Post

            Incorrect, Google will show mercy IF you received a manual penalty (meaning a Google webmaster tools notice) and you go through all the other steps required.

            If you have an algorithmic penalty, no amount of documentation or requests will help, you'll have to remove everything out there that is penalizing you and wait for the next update.
            Do you have proof for that? Where does it say that a manual penalty = Notice in GWT?
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            • Profile picture of the author plsearch
              Originally Posted by etvconnect View Post

              Do you have proof for that? Where does it say that a manual penalty = Notice in GWT?
              Yes I have proof of that. It says it all over SEOmoz and search engine land. Manual penalty for unnatural links = WMT notice. Everyone else that gets nailed and files a reconsideration gets a "sorry no manual penalty is in place, this is an algorithmic change, etc"
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    • Profile picture of the author zonkow
      Originally Posted by RevSEO View Post

      Throwing away the domain and starting new is a DUMB strategy.

      Unless your spent a couple hours on the original domain, bought a few crappy link services, and called it a day. If you are like most webmasters, and spent HUNDREDS of hours building out a domain, content, links, etc. Then you should spend the time and resources to recover from Penguin.

      Recovering from Penguin is NOT rocket science, although some people are making it out to be that way. I've helped countless sites recover from Penguin, in fact one client went from #200+ to #1 this past week. She was knocked into oblivion from Penguin, and has successfully recovered.

      The key is cleaning up those backlinks, which like you said takes a ton of time. There are services like LinkDelete.com that I recommend utilizing for backlink cleanup. They'll identify, cleanup, and manage the whole backlink removal process for you and give you a solid reinclusion report each month.

      Second, it comes down to onsite variables as well. Most sites are making blatant mistakes that are EASILY correctable. Google's changed the way they analyze a website's onsite variables and thus you need to correct those problems. Feel free to PM me if you'd like and I'll make some recommendations to you.

      Finally, good quality backlinks are what's needed to lift most sites out of the penalty as well. That's the last stage though AFTER cleaning up the bad, low quality links AND the onsite variables.
      You say ehas changed the way they analyze a website's onsite variables. Can you explain how we should make the onpage seo now?
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      • Profile picture of the author rodsuroc
        Originally Posted by zonkow View Post

        You say ehas changed the way they analyze a website's onsite variables. Can you explain how we should make the onpage seo now?
        I guess knowledge in this area is blur at best. My method now is not caring about keyword density and writing naturally.

        Of course you have to mention your keyword once in a while, but the important thing is, and that is my hunch, your backlinks strategically diversified (20% of them mentioning your keywords, with the 20 number coming from up my sleeve).
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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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    No offense, but anyone that gives up a site because of an algo. update, must have a crappy site.

    Nobody would give up a site/domain that was worthy of traffic.
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    • Profile picture of the author RevSEO
      Originally Posted by yukon View Post

      No offense, but anyone that gives up a site because of an algo. update, must have a crappy site.

      Nobody would give up a site/domain that was worthy of traffic.
      And yet that's what so many people have been doing....

      I've seen people give up sites earning $x,xxx/mo....Just crazy...
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      • Profile picture of the author mrtrance
        Originally Posted by RevSEO View Post

        And yet that's what so many people have been doing....

        I've seen people give up sites earning ,xxx/mo....Just crazy...
        Can you PM your email address so I can get your view on a few of my sites that got dropped from top 3 all the way to page 25? I've cleaned up the onpage so far and done some new backlinks with a variety of anchor texts (very little of the same keyword I'm optimizing), but have not seen any changes so far.
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    • Profile picture of the author Michael Ten
      Originally Posted by yukon View Post

      No offense, but anyone that gives up a site because of an algo. update, must have a crappy site.

      Nobody would give up a site/domain that was worthy of traffic.
      I like your perspective!
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  • Profile picture of the author cooler1
    Recovering from Penguin is NOT rocket science, although some people are making it out to be that way. I've helped countless sites recover from Penguin, in fact one client went from #200+ to #1 this past week. She was knocked into oblivion from Penguin, and has successfully recovered.
    How did that happen? I thought there has been only one Penguin refresh so far, that was done around 26th May.

    The key is cleaning up those backlinks, which like you said takes a ton of time. There are services like LinkDelete.com that I recommend utilizing for backlink cleanup. They'll identify, cleanup, and manage the whole backlink removal process for you and give you a solid reinclusion report each month.
    What is the general success rate of LinkDelete.com at removing backlinks? I would think that many sites which have poor quality links on, the webmasters are probably hard to contact because they most likely put up sites in masses. Do they pay a fee to each webmaster to remove a link?
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  • Profile picture of the author plsearch
    Funny, the people saying you can recover from Penguin easily happen to all sell a service that does just that. Like Mike said, how can you recover from 20k+ spammy links.

    I used my previous site as a test site for my SEO firm, I did a ton of ****ty links to it to test the limits. There is no way in hell any firm is going to get even 20% of them removed.

    By the way, Tommo, a 302 does not pass on any link juice whatsoever. See: http://www.seomoz.org/learn-seo/redirection

    I did the 302 because our old site still has some traffic and rankings, even though it was cut by 90%, so people who find us in the SERPS and will be redirect to the new url.

    I think the sites that recovered from Penguin, outside of the refresh times, weren't penalized at all but had most of their links devalued.
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  • Profile picture of the author Davidtaylor
    Well, penguin has put many sites on the bottom,
    so getting a fresh website is the only way.

    Thanks
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    • Profile picture of the author aygabtu
      I love how google says focus on quality content and the SERPs will take care of itself.

      NOT!
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  • Profile picture of the author shayman
    Man up! ...are you warrior or wimp? :p

    It's tough at the minute, VERY tough but I for one agree with the warriors who say NO to just giving up. What will you do when your next domain gets penalised, and then the next...

    This forum is here for us to work out problems like this.
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  • Profile picture of the author rowanman28
    I don't care about SEO, and I'm doing pretty well with my site. I've tried to figure out Google, and at times I did rank well, but it didn't help that much, and I just gave up. I write blog posts in the hope that Google will pick them up, but I get 90% of my traffic from social media. If I had a solid, easy plan to follow, I would use SEO methods, but it's so much easier to get Twitter followers for me personally. Google changes so much, and in their attempt to weed out spam, they actually punish the most important sites. I much prefer social media.
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    • Profile picture of the author shayman
      Originally Posted by rowanman28 View Post

      I don't care about SEO, and I'm doing pretty well with my site. I've tried to figure out Google, and at times I did rank well, but it didn't help that much, and I just gave up. I write blog posts in the hope that Google will pick them up, but I get 90% of my traffic from social media. If I had a solid, easy plan to follow, I would use SEO methods, but it's so much easier to get Twitter followers for me personally. Google changes so much, and in their attempt to weed out spam, they actually punish the most important sites. I much prefer social media.
      Until...one day...
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  • Profile picture of the author Dex88
    giving up doesn't always mean that you are weak, sometimes it means you're strong enough to let go...

    Just remembered that quote I read from somewhere
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  • Profile picture of the author jimgk
    yukon quote "If you don't specify which page you want ranked (duplicate pages on same site) Google will pick whichever page they want to display in organic SERPs."

    question? how does one specify... ??
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  • Profile picture of the author plsearch
    update: An Update for you guys: It's only been 4 days since the 302 and my .net has exploded with double the traffic the penalized site had 1 week ago. We're already ranking for many long tail keywords, believe it or not.

    The weird thing is the Pagerank for the 1 month old registered .net is already a 4, so was my old site. Must be some kind of bug. Anyway will let u know if I get the penalty passed to the new site, hopefully not.
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    • Profile picture of the author yukon
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      Originally Posted by plsearch View Post

      update: An Update for you guys: It's only been 4 days since the 302 and my .net has exploded with double the traffic the penalized site had 1 week ago. We're already ranking for many long tail keywords, believe it or not.

      The weird thing is the Pagerank for the 1 month old registered .net is already a 4, so was my old site. Must be some kind of bug. Anyway will let u know if I get the penalty passed to the new site, hopefully not.
      Did you do a site-wide 302 or individual URLs?

      I would test one of the lower traffic URLs that bounced back in the SERPs & remove the 302 just to see If the SERP rank drops on that specific page.
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      • Profile picture of the author plsearch
        Originally Posted by yukon View Post

        Did you do a site-wide 302 or individual URLs?

        I would test one of the lower traffic URLs that bounced back in the SERPs & remove the 302 just to see If the SERP rank drops on that specific page.
        sitewide, each page redirects to its appropriate new page on our .net.
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    • Profile picture of the author mrtrance
      Originally Posted by plsearch View Post

      update: An Update for you guys: It's only been 4 days since the 302 and my .net has exploded with double the traffic the penalized site had 1 week ago. We're already ranking for many long tail keywords, believe it or not.

      The weird thing is the Pagerank for the 1 month old registered .net is already a 4, so was my old site. Must be some kind of bug. Anyway will let u know if I get the penalty passed to the new site, hopefully not.
      So if 302 redirect is a temporary redirect and passes 0% link juice (as per seomoz article) then how is it going to get the new site ranking? It would be juice like a new domain with no link juice. What's then the difference of just getting a new domain and putting up new content on there and start ranking it compared to taking down old domain, transfering content to new site and implementing the 302 redirect?
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      • Profile picture of the author plsearch
        Originally Posted by mrtrance View Post

        So if 302 redirect is a temporary redirect and passes 0% link juice (as per seomoz article) then how is it going to get the new site ranking? It would be juice like a new domain with no link juice. What's then the difference of just getting a new domain and putting up new content on there and start ranking it compared to taking down old domain, transfering content to new site and implementing the 302 redirect?
        The 302 doesn't (or shouldnt be) help the new site rank. It helps from getting penalized for duplicate content because your old site would still be in the cache for weeks or months even if you took everything down. It also helps visitors that still find the old site get to the new site.
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        • Profile picture of the author mrtrance
          Originally Posted by plsearch View Post

          The 302 doesn't (or shouldnt be) help the new site rank. It helps from getting penalized for duplicate content because your old site would still be in the cache for weeks or months even if you took everything down. It also helps visitors that still find the old site get to the new site.
          So when you implemented this on your site and you mentioned that your site started to receive alot of traffic again it's not because you got your rankings back to where they were before you got hit (say for your main keywords), but you are getting traffic for alot of new long tail traffic that you were getting before with your old site (even though you were ranking high in the SERPs)?

          So when we implement a 302 from the old site to the new site do we still have to keep old site going indefinitely or when it's time for the domain to expire should we not renew again?

          So if I want to implement this on a site that's been hit do I first get a new domain, install WP/theme/plugins and then copy over all my posts from the old site to new site. Then once all that is done I put in 302 direct from the old site to new site and see what happens. Is that pretty much how you did it?

          So if the only purpose of the 302 is to help new site not get penalize from dup content (but I thought dup content was if you had same content on same site, not if the content is on another site) why then just get a new domain and put up new content and start to rank that site without worrying about 302's, duplicate content, etc.? Or is there really some advantage here i.e. you don't have to write new content for site again and/or could possibly get new traffic from other long tails similar to what you are seeing?

          Any feedback?
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          • Profile picture of the author plsearch
            Originally Posted by mrtrance View Post

            So when you implemented this on your site and you mentioned that your site started to receive alot of traffic again it's not because you got your rankings back to where they were before you got hit (say for your main keywords), but you are getting traffic for alot of new long tail traffic that you were getting before with your old site (even though you were ranking high in the SERPs)?

            So when we implement a 302 from the old site to the new site do we still have to keep old site going indefinitely or when it's time for the domain to expire should we not renew again?

            So if I want to implement this on a site that's been hit do I first get a new domain, install WP/theme/plugins and then copy over all my posts from the old site to new site. Then once all that is done I put in 302 direct from the old site to new site and see what happens. Is that pretty much how you did it?

            So if the only purpose of the 302 is to help new site not get penalize from dup content (but I thought dup content was if you had same content on same site, not if the content is on another site) why then just get a new domain and put up new content and start to rank that site without worrying about 302's, duplicate content, etc.? Or is there really some advantage here i.e. you don't have to write new content for site again and/or could possibly get new traffic from other long tails similar to what you are seeing?

            Any feedback?
            Yes long tail traffic.

            No you can take down the old site. We just took our site down, ported over to the .net and at the same time set up 302 redirects for each old page on the old site to direct the new respective page on the new site.

            Like I said before, the advantages are that traffic going to your old site (referral traffic, etc) still finds its way to your new site via redirect but you are not hit with the negative link penalty of your old site.

            Secondarily you will not get penalized for having the same content showing up on your .net as you did with the .com (because it can take weeks for Google to deindex the old cached pages).
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  • Profile picture of the author nik0
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    Imo you're just better of by starting a brand new site without doing any form of redirection, we tried it a couple of times, even with a url shortener in between and it didn't last.

    What you can do before giving up is building some real strong links to see what happens, or file a reconsideration request. For the rest it's just predictions.
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  • Profile picture of the author Austin E Anthony
    Instead of giving up, why not do a 301 redirect. I got hit by penguin and I coded a PHP redirect code and did 301 and all the sites came back to page one within a week. They have been there for 2 months now and didn't drop.

    The problem with redirect is that someone people do it wrong. If you are doing it through cpanels and all that, the penalty will transfer but if you do it properly, you will regain your rankings.

    If you are trying to clean up your site from garbage links and de-optimize your site hoping that will return your ranking, good luck because you will wait for years for that to happen.

    Redirect is a fast way to get your ranking back. I always tell people keep it simple silly - K.I.S.S : )
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    • Profile picture of the author plsearch
      Originally Posted by young-Money View Post

      Instead of giving up, why not do a 301 redirect. I got hit by penguin and I coded a PHP redirect code and did 301 and all the sites came back to page one within a week. They have been there for 2 months now and didn't drop.

      The problem with redirect is that someone people do it wrong. If you are doing it through cpanels and all that, the penalty will transfer but if you do it properly, you will regain your rankings.

      If you are trying to clean up your site from garbage links and de-optimize your site hoping that will return your ranking, good luck because you will wait for years for that to happen.

      Redirect is a fast way to get your ranking back. I always tell people keep it simple silly - K.I.S.S : )
      Well share your secret bud. If not from a cpanel or htacess how the heck are you doing it?

      Are you 301'ing from your penalized site to a new page on your site? What if the home page is penalized. What do yo do then?
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  • Profile picture of the author Austin E Anthony
    I am using a special code to 301 from my old site to a new site.
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    • Profile picture of the author mrtrance
      Originally Posted by young-Money View Post

      I am using a special code to 301 from my old site to a new site.
      Would you mind sharing some more details about this code?
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  • Unless you have to get a real job now because of penguin, I would suggest holding off on that new site. When google comes out with the "link removal" there will be sanity in the universe again.
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  • Profile picture of the author RonaldReegan
    my friends website is affected in penguin, i will share him all these updates with him and revert back... Thanks for sharing....
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  • Profile picture of the author mrtrance
    So I wanna test this whole 301 or 302 redirect that you guys are talking about on one of my sites that was hit. So should I just go buy a new domain, install WP on it and then point a 301 or 302 redirect sitewide from the old domain to the new domain? Do I need to move my content over there as well before doing the redirect?

    If those that have been successful with this can give some more details about achieving this it would be very helpful.
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  • Profile picture of the author RonaldReegan
    one of my portal also affected in this... i cant able to do anything...
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  • Profile picture of the author extremejava
    count me in. I will also migrate content to new website but without any 301, 302 re-direction.
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  • Profile picture of the author Austin E Anthony
    Yep 301 works but you have to do it the right which many people doesn't know.
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    • Profile picture of the author uqmoore
      Originally Posted by young-Money View Post

      Yep 301 works but you have to do it the right which many people doesn't know.
      What's the "right" way?
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  • Profile picture of the author plsearch
    Just an update: The 302 worked great. I noticed about 30 days in that our rankings were fluctuating (who knows if its the google dance or penguin these days) so I removed the 302 even from the old site. This worked quite well.

    We're up 120% from last month and we're back to 50% pre penguin levels. Also, penguin caused us to heavily invest in PPC which we are actually profiting quite well on, finally.

    Main things I changed with link building were focusing on links that actually drive traffic (aka relevant sites) and only 1/10 of my anchor text links are keyword related. I'm playing it safe this time.
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  • Profile picture of the author Xneaker
    Originally Posted by plsearch View Post

    So basic plan:

    - 302 redirect the old domain to the new. (no dup content issues that way). I wanted to 301 but dont want to get the new site penalized
    Want to know more about 302... From that I know, redirect 302 mean redirect temporarily. I have several questions:
    1. Why if you 301 the new site get penalized?
    2. What is the better, 301 or 302

    thks
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  • Profile picture of the author bentley7
    Hi PlSearch,
    I tried to PM you but I don't have enough posts. I've been researching the 302 option for months while waiting to see if my site would recover from my in-depth link removals. Of course, we all saw that didn't help after Google's last Penguin update so I'm off to working on moving the site. Is your site still doing well post 302 redirecting? Also, did you do this yourself or would you mind PM'ing whom you used to do the 302 redirects. I'm not a web programmer and really know nothing when it comes to doing those things. I'd really appreciate your feedback! Please feel free to PM me as well.
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  • Profile picture of the author uqmoore
    Any new update on the 302 redirects? I read in a couple places that it doesn't pass a penalty.
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  • Profile picture of the author nathand
    Have you seen http://www.backlinkreport.net ? I've been running it on low hanging fruit.. like the ones where I can remove 200-400 links... abit pricy to try to remove 4000 links tho... I am debating about that, but it should be possible.. especially with the disavow tool and a good reinclusion request
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  • Profile picture of the author nathand
    I got my reinclusion request back today on a site that was using mass article links.... it was not manual penalized, only Google Penguin... this is a good sign. There is an article on how to file a reinclusion request successfully and get a response - Google Reinclusion Request Tutorial
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  • Profile picture of the author miskat
    302 redirection no longer work , and is not a permanent method it fall in fewq day , so keep away from it .
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