Penguin: Ok I give up. Time to start my site on a new domain..

Im thinking of starting on new domains also, but thought id wait first because there has only been one Penguin refresh so far.

Does Penguin penalize for poor backlink quality or is it due to anchor text variety? It doesn't make sense that backlink quality would penalize you because than negative SEO would be easy, but then again so would anchor text diversity.

Its very simple guys, just put up a 302 redirect on your DNS to the new domain. You will get no duplicate content penalty and none of the bad links will affect the new site. It's basically like starting fresh with the same site, but you wont have to worry about the cache of your old site affecting rankings or visitors going to the old site not finding the new one.

So basically;
- Take down old site
- Move content/design to new site.
- Go into registrar/host and 302 redirect every page to new domain

Hold on, already your old site is under penalty (as per your statement), then how redirecting from that site to new site will be a good idea? I mean, due to penalty, already no traffic for your old site, then what is the point of re-directing from it to new? :confused:

And, No worries, I have seen there are sites which have about 4 months ranked well (mostly for long tailed keywords).

"Anyhow, I would suggest, instead of going for new domain, why don't you try make sure that your on-page SEO of current site is perfect as per Google guidelines, and then, go for more quality links (like contextual links using blogging, press releases and etc with well-written articles). Go for 100 such links per week, do it for at least 4-5 weeks, then, I guess, you SHOULD be able to see some changes on traffic to your old site, specially "organic" traffic.... - give a shot for that, even after, if you are OUT of the game, Go for new plan.... " - It is just my recommendation Because, I guess, your old site may have some reputation and you might put more effort on it, then why are you going to put it into garbage. For an example, If your loved-one get sick or disease, what will you do? You will almost try all methods to save their lives, Aren't you? Why don't you apply to your old site too?

Alternatively, you could remove your entire .com site from the Google index and then put whatever content you wanted from the old site on the new site, thus avoiding duplicate content.

Throwing away the domain and starting new is a DUMB strategy.

Unless your spent a couple hours on the original domain, bought a few crappy link services, and called it a day. If you are like most webmasters, and spent HUNDREDS of hours building out a domain, content, links, etc. Then you should spend the time and resources to recover from Penguin.

Recovering from Penguin is NOT rocket science, although some people are making it out to be that way. I've helped countless sites recover from Penguin, in fact one client went from #200+ to #1 this past week. She was knocked into oblivion from Penguin, and has successfully recovered.

The key is cleaning up those backlinks, which like you said takes a ton of time. There are services like LinkDelete.com that I recommend utilizing for backlink cleanup. They'll identify, cleanup, and manage the whole backlink removal process for you and give you a solid reinclusion report each month.

Second, it comes down to onsite variables as well. Most sites are making blatant mistakes that are EASILY correctable. Google's changed the way they analyze a website's onsite variables and thus you need to correct those problems. Feel free to PM me if you'd like and I'll make some recommendations to you.

Finally, good quality backlinks are what's needed to lift most sites out of the penalty as well. That's the last stage though AFTER cleaning up the bad, low quality links AND the onsite variables.

No offense, but anyone that gives up a site because of an algo. update, must have a crappy site.

Nobody would give up a site/domain that was worthy of traffic.

How did that happen? I thought there has been only one Penguin refresh so far, that was done around 26th May.

What is the general success rate of LinkDelete.com at removing backlinks? I would think that many sites which have poor quality links on, the webmasters are probably hard to contact because they most likely put up sites in masses. Do they pay a fee to each webmaster to remove a link?

Funny, the people saying you can recover from Penguin easily happen to all sell a service that does just that. Like Mike said, how can you recover from 20k+ spammy links.

I used my previous site as a test site for my SEO firm, I did a ton of ****ty links to it to test the limits. There is no way in hell any firm is going to get even 20% of them removed.

By the way, Tommo, a 302 does not pass on any link juice whatsoever. See: http://www.seomoz.org/learn-seo/redirection

I did the 302 because our old site still has some traffic and rankings, even though it was cut by 90%, so people who find us in the SERPS and will be redirect to the new url.

I think the sites that recovered from Penguin, outside of the refresh times, weren't penalized at all but had most of their links devalued.

Well, penguin has put many sites on the bottom,
so getting a fresh website is the only way.

Thanks

Man up! ...are you warrior or wimp? :p

It's tough at the minute, VERY tough but I for one agree with the warriors who say NO to just giving up. What will you do when your next domain gets penalised, and then the next...

This forum is here for us to work out problems like this.

I don't care about SEO, and I'm doing pretty well with my site. I've tried to figure out Google, and at times I did rank well, but it didn't help that much, and I just gave up. I write blog posts in the hope that Google will pick them up, but I get 90% of my traffic from social media. If I had a solid, easy plan to follow, I would use SEO methods, but it's so much easier to get Twitter followers for me personally. Google changes so much, and in their attempt to weed out spam, they actually punish the most important sites. I much prefer social media.

giving up doesn't always mean that you are weak, sometimes it means you're strong enough to let go...

Just remembered that quote I read from somewhere

yukon quote "If you don't specify which page you want ranked (duplicate pages on same site) Google will pick whichever page they want to display in organic SERPs."

question? how does one specify... ??

update: An Update for you guys: It's only been 4 days since the 302 and my .net has exploded with double the traffic the penalized site had 1 week ago. We're already ranking for many long tail keywords, believe it or not.

The weird thing is the Pagerank for the 1 month old registered .net is already a 4, so was my old site. Must be some kind of bug. Anyway will let u know if I get the penalty passed to the new site, hopefully not.

Imo you're just better of by starting a brand new site without doing any form of redirection, we tried it a couple of times, even with a url shortener in between and it didn't last.

What you can do before giving up is building some real strong links to see what happens, or file a reconsideration request. For the rest it's just predictions.

Instead of giving up, why not do a 301 redirect. I got hit by penguin and I coded a PHP redirect code and did 301 and all the sites came back to page one within a week. They have been there for 2 months now and didn't drop.

The problem with redirect is that someone people do it wrong. If you are doing it through cpanels and all that, the penalty will transfer but if you do it properly, you will regain your rankings.

If you are trying to clean up your site from garbage links and de-optimize your site hoping that will return your ranking, good luck because you will wait for years for that to happen.

Redirect is a fast way to get your ranking back. I always tell people keep it simple silly - K.I.S.S : )

I am using a special code to 301 from my old site to a new site.

Unless you have to get a real job now because of penguin, I would suggest holding off on that new site. When google comes out with the "link removal" there will be sanity in the universe again.

my friends website is affected in penguin, i will share him all these updates with him and revert back... Thanks for sharing....

So I wanna test this whole 301 or 302 redirect that you guys are talking about on one of my sites that was hit. So should I just go buy a new domain, install WP on it and then point a 301 or 302 redirect sitewide from the old domain to the new domain? Do I need to move my content over there as well before doing the redirect?

If those that have been successful with this can give some more details about achieving this it would be very helpful.

one of my portal also affected in this... i cant able to do anything...

count me in. I will also migrate content to new website but without any 301, 302 re-direction.

Yep 301 works but you have to do it the right which many people doesn't know.

Just an update: The 302 worked great. I noticed about 30 days in that our rankings were fluctuating (who knows if its the google dance or penguin these days) so I removed the 302 even from the old site. This worked quite well.

We're up 120% from last month and we're back to 50% pre penguin levels. Also, penguin caused us to heavily invest in PPC which we are actually profiting quite well on, finally.

Main things I changed with link building were focusing on links that actually drive traffic (aka relevant sites) and only 1/10 of my anchor text links are keyword related. I'm playing it safe this time.

Want to know more about 302... From that I know, redirect 302 mean redirect temporarily. I have several questions:
1. Why if you 301 the new site get penalized?
2. What is the better, 301 or 302

thks

Hi PlSearch,
I tried to PM you but I don't have enough posts. I've been researching the 302 option for months while waiting to see if my site would recover from my in-depth link removals. Of course, we all saw that didn't help after Google's last Penguin update so I'm off to working on moving the site. Is your site still doing well post 302 redirecting? Also, did you do this yourself or would you mind PM'ing whom you used to do the 302 redirects. I'm not a web programmer and really know nothing when it comes to doing those things. I'd really appreciate your feedback! Please feel free to PM me as well.

Any new update on the 302 redirects? I read in a couple places that it doesn't pass a penalty.

Have you seen http://www.backlinkreport.net ? I've been running it on low hanging fruit.. like the ones where I can remove 200-400 links... abit pricy to try to remove 4000 links tho... I am debating about that, but it should be possible.. especially with the disavow tool and a good reinclusion request

I got my reinclusion request back today on a site that was using mass article links.... it was not manual penalized, only Google Penguin... this is a good sign. There is an article on how to file a reinclusion request successfully and get a response - Google Reinclusion Request Tutorial

302 redirection no longer work , and is not a permanent method it fall in fewq day , so keep away from it .